Re: TO SLAM OR NOT TO SLAM

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I'm also not sure why the emotions are running so strong

with this thread, except maybe that we're all so desperately trying NOT

to harm our little guys anymore than they've already been hurt!

My opinion is that Mercury isn't stuff to mess around with, and that if

there are any nooks or crannies in the body that it hasn't found its way

to already, I don't want to encourage it by shaking it around any more

than absolutely necessary. So I guess I'm weighing in on the side

of (ugh!) every 4 hrs, and longer runs of chelation rather than shorter

ones. I was trying to explain this to my hubby the physicist last

night and he asked " why do you stop and start chelating like that,

rather than just doing one long run of chelation? " I said

because of the physical discomfort of it, but wasn't sure if there are

other reasons for the stop-start pattern of chelation. Is it also

to let the metals that have been shaken loose drain out of the

body? If so, is it better to go longer and let more drain, or do

the 3-on-4-off pattern that I've seen mentioned. Anyone?

We're looking for a doc in California who knows his/her stuff about all

this, and will prescribe/work with us, btw. We already have a hair

test that indicates probable metal problems. Please let me know if

you know of anyone.

Terri in Santa Cruz

mom to Clio 9yo, Zane 7yo hfa and Risa 6 months (I don't sleep all night

as it is -- maybe I'll give up sleep altogether when we start

chelating!)

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Jeannie:

My thoughts are...maybe you're missing the boat! I think the main

reason for

NOT giving the DMSA and ALA less than every 4 hours is that this stuff

causes

MAJOR DAMAGE! It has no right being in our bodies in the first

place. It is

a neurotoxin that causes severe damage to whatever tissue it binds

to. It

binds mostly to the brain, kidneys and liver. Three things I would

prefer to

keep it out of myself. The damage it can cause CAN be

irreversable. Why

play Russain Roulette all over again with our kids? I believe this

schedule

is suggested for our children's best interests and health. I really

don't

understand all the animosity about this issue! Besides...the

children

themselves are uncomfortable...irritable is the way I think most parents

have

described the " Off " days...WHY? Because the metals are being

redistributed...and it hurts them. Even adults who have been

treated have

described this feeling...it's not nice! Why put your child through

all that

for nothing? Better safe than sorry.

What is wrong here...am I missing the boat or do others think this

>way too. The ALA will eventually get all the Hg out. Period.

Slammed

>Hg or original Hg...no difference. It all gets removed. If it

doesn't

>then the theory that ALA detoxes the brain adequately is somehow

>flawed.

>

>The only thinking that would justify the every four hours would be

to

>avoid a very temporary additional Hg to the brain which will

>ultimately be 100% removed anyway.

>

>Yes/No ?

>

>Jeannie

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/5/00 11:57:13 PM Central Daylight Time, sleep@...

writes:

<< My son has had no problems except when attempting the every four hour

thing...it was a nightmare !!! TID worked like a charm. >>

Jeannie,

What problems did your son have with the every four hour dosing? Was the

problem mainly with lack of sleep or was there something else? Just curious.

By the way, my two cents on the " slam " scenario is that there is no evidence

that anything causes metals to " slam " into the brain. This is the wording

Andy uses to get people's attention to get his point across that he feels it

is much safer to keep blood levels of chelators even. His point, well taken,

is that when you free up metals without adequately supplying something to

take them completely out of the body, you have the potential for

redistribution to other parts in the body, including the brain.

Gaylen

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In a message dated 9/6/00 12:07:29 AM Central Daylight Time,

tmykland@... writes:

<< I was trying to explain this to my hubby the physicist last night and he

asked

" why do you stop and start chelating like that, rather than just doing one

long run of chelation? " I said because of the physical discomfort of it,

but wasn't sure if there are other reasons for the stop-start pattern of

chelation. Is it also to let the metals that have been shaken loose drain

out of the body? If so, is it better to go longer and let more drain, or

do the 3-on-4-off pattern that I've seen mentioned. Anyone? >>

According to the doc we're using now, you want to give a rest between rounds

because doing it straight could be too hard on the kidneys and liver and you

need to give them time to process the stuff. If you try to release too much

too quickly you could have to deal with kidney failure. With our former doc,

my son did two rounds of straight 20-days on chelation. Overall, he seemed

to do better with the 3-4-days on 5-11 off. I think the amount of time

between chelation rounds really depends on the person. Watch them carefully

and see which they respond to the best. While we got alot of progress with

the 20-days on, I wouldn't recommend doing it for more than 1-2 rounds.

We've been doing this for a few years and have found a cycle of sorts where

we feel great right after a dose of chelators for several days (getting

longer each time -- now about a week) and then kind of feel a dumping of

metals (often can taste metals) and feel kind of yucky for a few days, then

better, then some more yucks, etc. I've been told that as you pull metals

out of the blood stream, your body dumps others from the cells into the blood

and then you get the kind of rebound effect until all the metals are out.

Sometimes it seems like the metals come out on their own within a day or so

as our elimination methods increase (trying not to be graphic here) and then

we feel much better. As we've gotten more healthier, we have more of these

things that seem like releases in between chelation where before we didn't

feel very well until we got another round of a chelator.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

I appreciate all your thoughts and sentiments . Thanks for

sharing... but I still disagree. Sorry.

If it " has no right to be in our bodies in the first place " ...then

don't take it at all, .

Peace.

Jeannie

> Jeannie:

> My thoughts are...maybe you're missing the boat! I think the main

reason for

> NOT giving the DMSA and ALA less than every 4 hours is that this

stuff causes

> MAJOR DAMAGE! It has no right being in our bodies in the first

place. It is

> a neurotoxin that causes severe damage to whatever tissue it binds

to. It

> binds mostly to the brain, kidneys and liver. Three things I would

prefer to

> keep it out of myself. The damage it can cause CAN be

irreversable. Why

> play Russain Roulette all over again with our kids? I believe this

schedule

> is suggested for our children's best interests and health. I

really don't

> understand all the animosity about this issue! Besides...the

children

> themselves are uncomfortable...irritable is the way I think most

parents have

> described the " Off " days...WHY? Because the metals are being

> redistributed...and it hurts them. Even adults who have been

treated have

> described this feeling...it's not nice! Why put your child through

all that

> for nothing? Better safe than sorry.

>

>

> What is wrong here...am I missing the boat or do others think this

> >way too. The ALA will eventually get all the Hg out. Period.

Slammed

> >Hg or original Hg...no difference. It all gets removed. If it

doesn't

> >then the theory that ALA detoxes the brain adequately is somehow

> >flawed.

> >

> >The only thinking that would justify the every four hours would be

to

> >avoid a very temporary additional Hg to the brain which will

> >ultimately be 100% removed anyway.

> >

> >Yes/No ?

> >

> >Jeannie

> >

[Guest guest]

<<I really don't understand all the animosity about this issue! >>

In response I ask you...what animosity about this?

All I was doing was asking what the deal was all about and

questioning the logic.Surely that should be allowed . We are still

allowed to question aren't we...even experts can be mistaken !

Listen,there may be no right or wrong way set out yet...or perhaps

the irritability on the part of the kids we are seeing is owing to

poor nutritional supplementation after the Chemet is done.There is no

study group here. We are it!

My son has had no problems except when attempting the every four hour

thing...it was a nightmare !!! TID worked like a charm.

I will admit to you though that his great health and well being after

the Chemet may be because of the Essiac Tea and the Melatonin and

Zinc and CoQ and Cal/Mag etc which all likely help him out .Not to

mention the hour of swimming we do each night.

Whatever the case I saw no malaise at all.And he too had a great day

at school. His teacher even emailed me asking me what I had done over

the weekend. His focus was up about 40% she said. And he is eating

well.

Please folks,do not get your knickers all in a twist over this. Do

what you feel you need to do . My son has gone thru round one and has

held up nicely afterward too. Stop screaming ( all caps is screaming

in internet lingo )....look in the mirror if you are so angry at

this...something may be wrong with your motives.We are doing great.

Jeannie

[Guest guest]

We do pretty much the same, DMSA during the day and melatonin every

nite. The 4 days we do not chelate we supplement minerals and use

NAC several days a week during or off DMSA. My kids are great and

getting better. It works for us. Beverly

> <<I really don't understand all the animosity about this issue! >>

>

> In response I ask you...what animosity about this?

>

> All I was doing was asking what the deal was all about and

> questioning the logic.Surely that should be allowed . We are still

> allowed to question aren't we...even experts can be mistaken !

>

> Listen,there may be no right or wrong way set out yet...or perhaps

> the irritability on the part of the kids we are seeing is owing to

> poor nutritional supplementation after the Chemet is done.There is

no

> study group here. We are it!

>

> My son has had no problems except when attempting the every four

hour

> thing...it was a nightmare !!! TID worked like a charm.

>

> I will admit to you though that his great health and well being

after

> the Chemet may be because of the Essiac Tea and the Melatonin and

> Zinc and CoQ and Cal/Mag etc which all likely help him out .Not to

> mention the hour of swimming we do each night.

>

> Whatever the case I saw no malaise at all.And he too had a great

day

> at school. His teacher even emailed me asking me what I had done

over

> the weekend. His focus was up about 40% she said. And he is eating

> well.

>

> Please folks,do not get your knickers all in a twist over this. Do

> what you feel you need to do . My son has gone thru round one and

has

> held up nicely afterward too. Stop screaming ( all caps is

screaming

> in internet lingo )....look in the mirror if you are so angry at

> this...something may be wrong with your motives.We are doing great.

> Jeannie

[Guest guest]

I read some clinical studies with Chemet/DMSA and LEAD chelation. It

indicated after several days of chelation, blood levels of lead were

low. When retested a week later, lead levels rose but not to their

previous levels (60%). Presumably, once you bring the metals down,

the metals in the body shift, releasing metals from loaded cells to

fill the void left in the chelated cells. Repeat chelation, in a

step wise fashion seems to draw out metals from DMSA resistant tissue

indirectly. Also, chelation removes good minerals too. I think it

is important to supplement, rest and recover slowly and safely.

Beverly

> >

> >Jeannie:

> >My thoughts are...maybe you're missing the boat! I think the main

reason for

> >NOT giving the DMSA and ALA less than every 4 hours is that this

stuff causes

> >MAJOR DAMAGE! It has no right being in our bodies in the first

place. It is

> >a neurotoxin that causes severe damage to whatever tissue it binds

to. It

> >binds mostly to the brain, kidneys and liver. Three things I

would prefer to

> >keep it out of myself. The damage it can cause CAN be

irreversable. Why

> >play Russain Roulette all over again with our kids? I believe

this schedule

> >is suggested for our children's best interests and health. I

really don't

> >understand all the animosity about this issue! Besides...the

children

> >themselves are uncomfortable...irritable is the way I think most

parents have

> >described the " Off " days...WHY? Because the metals are being

> >redistributed...and it hurts them. Even adults who have been

treated have

> >described this feeling...it's not nice! Why put your child

through all that

> >for nothing? Better safe than sorry.

> >

> >

> >What is wrong here...am I missing the boat or do others think this

> > >way too. The ALA will eventually get all the Hg out. Period.

Slammed

> > >Hg or original Hg...no difference. It all gets removed. If it

doesn't

> > >then the theory that ALA detoxes the brain adequately is somehow

> > >flawed.

> > >

> > >The only thinking that would justify the every four hours would

be to

> > >avoid a very temporary additional Hg to the brain which will

> > >ultimately be 100% removed anyway.

> > >

> > >Yes/No ?

> > >

> > >Jeannie

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/6/00 4:14:57 AM !!!First Boot!!!, sleep@... writes:

<< If it " has no right to be in our bodies in the first place " ...then

don't take it at all, . >>

I think you missed the boat again, she was referring to the mercury not

having any right to be in the body in the first place, not the DMSA.

PEACE,

Elaine