Re: Health update Oct 12 2004

[Guest guest]

Hi Cliff,

Thank you for the update. I agree the the FO/CC program is a big part of a

successful outcome. And due to information that I got from you, another

leukemia case is doing well.

At http://www.royalrife.com/cancer.html I have a one hour audio on 100 years of

successful cancer treatments. There is an antival formula called EPBWBR which

is a combination of elder flowers, peppermint, black walnut leaves and burdock

root. That is my favorite anti-cancer formula. Mixed with graviola it is

called EP Graviola. It does not help with all cancer viruses. Melanoma needs

cat's claw.

Loyd http://www.royalrife.com

Health update Oct 12 2004

Hi,

As of today, October 12, 2004 I am going to review a little and present

an update in my situation with emphasis on the time since April 14,

2004.

I am going to review since October 28, 2002 when the PSA went to 20.7.

PSA Oct. 28 2002 20.7

[Oct 31, 2002 I took a 90 day Lupron shot--It probably helped bring he

PSA down--I do not expeact to take any more Lupron shots

PSA Dec 2 2002 10.7

PSA Feb 26 2003 5.4 testosterone 16-- I was 81 Jan 5 2003

PSA April 14 2003 5.9. testosterone 27

PSA June 3 2003 6.6 testosterone under 50 [different lab

approach]

PSA July 16 2003 4.5

PSA Sept. 3 2003 10.3 [i had been using Androgel for 5 weeks] No

More

PSA Nov. 25 2003 4.7

PSA Jan 8 2004 6.2 -- testosterone below 50 Low

Now at 3 month intervals

PSA April 14, 2004 10.8

PSA July 7, 2004 23.2

PSA Oct 6, 004 24.9

I am now 13 years and 9 months since being dxd with a semi

aggressive PCa with a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes.

There was no Gleason score done in St. 's in Knoxville when my

original biopsy was done. All that is known is that it was not the most

aggressive but was not slow growing. Since then it has been estimated

that the Gleason was probably in the neighborhood of 7-8 at original

diagnosis.

I finally was told of a source of ellagic acid that I began using about

May 1, 2003. Later I became aware of another source of ellagic acid

hat I believe is stronger and cheaper. I began using that about Jan

2004.

My only standard treatment since October of 1995 has been:

Sept. 21 and Oct. 2000 two 30 day Lupron shots

Dec 8 2001 one 30 eay Lupron shot

Oct 31 2002 one 90 day Lupron shot

June 7, 2003 I began to use Androgel in an effort to make me feel

stronger. We felt the Avodart and DIM would keep the PSA down. It

didn't. I left that after 5 weeks and 10.3 PSA and that went back down

to 4.7 by Nov. 25, 2003.

On Dec 22 My Oncologist left for Tulsa OK where she is now working in

the alternatives division of the Cancer Treatment Centers of America.

About this time I again got careless. Too much desert table at various

functions etc. etc. and sometimes not enough FO/CC and the July PSA

spiked to 23.2. There were still no symptoms of PCa and we decided to

increase the FO/CC to 5 tablespoons a day, increase the ellagic acid,

add 200 mgs a day of powdered ginger, 3 twelve oz glasses a day of

tomato juice for extra lycopene and stay with DIM as well.

I was tempted to get another Lupron shot but decided that at 82, and not

fearing what lies beyond, I would stay with what I had been doing, get

more serious about diet by avoiding sugar, souces of Omega 6 etc. and

see how far it would take me.

Yesterday I received my latest PSA which was 24.9, not significantly

different from the PSA 3 months ago. The previous one had a little

more than doubled in 6 months. This one stayed about the same.

I may add a good source of Graviola, stay focused on what I am doing and

I believe I will be OK, even with at least a semi aggressive cancer

that, based on past evidence, probably has elements that are not

androgen dependent.

I have read that PCa becomes more aggressive with age. I do not know.

I know that if PCa is refactory and advanced it is considered

incurable. All that standard treatment has to offer is chemo for as

long as it might help. I am still believing and hopeful that FO/CC

will be a big help in many of those situations.

I am confident that with Gleason scores of 6 or less especially, and

even higher, the FO/CC is a powerful weapon against any cancer,

including PCa.

Cliff

[Guest guest]

Cliff,

What is FO/CC?

I'm currently taking Lupron (just took second injection today) prior to

taking radiation. Oncologist has suggested I take Lupron for 3 months,

then radiation for 8 weeks, five days a week. I don't want to start

radiation, and probably won't. I'm taking Lupron just as a starting

point, and I'm not sure what route I'll take after a series of Lupron

treatments. My PSA was l6.6 when I went to a Doctor for checkup in

June, and then went to a urologist. He did biopsies and confirmed

cancer. Pathologist gave tumor Gleason score of 8 (4+4) and City of

Hope reviewed slides and came up with Gleason of 7 (4+3). COH also

suggested Lupron with radiation as best therapy. After one shot of

Lupron my PSA dropped to 1.9 :>) but I'm afraid it is just temporary

and will later rise in time. So I'm in the process of seeking natural or

alternative methods. Any info you can give will be appreciated. I have

a diet regimen that I'm following and am hopeful it will help.

Good Luck with your PC and hope you can cure it.

---- Original Message -----

From: Cliff Beckwith<mailto:cliffb865@...>

cures for cancer <mailto:cures for cancer >

Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:31 PM

Subject: Health update Oct 12 2004

Hi,

As of today, October 12, 2004 I am going to review a little and present

an update in my situation with emphasis on the time since April 14,

2004.

I am going to review since October 28, 2002 when the PSA went to 20.7.

PSA Oct. 28 2002 20.7

[Oct 31, 2002 I took a 90 day Lupron shot--It probably helped bring he

PSA down--I do not expeact to take any more Lupron shots

PSA Dec 2 2002 10.7

PSA Feb 26 2003 5.4 testosterone 16-- I was 81 Jan 5 2003

PSA April 14 2003 5.9. testosterone 27

PSA June 3 2003 6.6 testosterone under 50 [different lab

approach]

PSA July 16 2003 4.5

PSA Sept. 3 2003 10.3 [i had been using Androgel for 5 weeks] No

More

PSA Nov. 25 2003 4.7

PSA Jan 8 2004 6.2 -- testosterone below 50 Low

Now at 3 month intervals

PSA April 14, 2004 10.8

PSA July 7, 2004 23.2

PSA Oct 6, 004 24.9

I am now 13 years and 9 months since being dxd with a semi

aggressive PCa with a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes.

There was no Gleason score done in St. 's in Knoxville when my

original biopsy was done. All that is known is that it was not the most

aggressive but was not slow growing. Since then it has been estimated

that the Gleason was probably in the neighborhood of 7-8 at original

diagnosis.

I finally was told of a source of ellagic acid that I began using about

May 1, 2003. Later I became aware of another source of ellagic acid

hat I believe is stronger and cheaper. I began using that about Jan

2004.

My only standard treatment since October of 1995 has been:

Sept. 21 and Oct. 2000 two 30 day Lupron shots

Dec 8 2001 one 30 eay Lupron shot

Oct 31 2002 one 90 day Lupron shot

June 7, 2003 I began to use Androgel in an effort to make me feel

stronger. We felt the Avodart and DIM would keep the PSA down. It

didn't. I left that after 5 weeks and 10.3 PSA and that went back down

to 4.7 by Nov. 25, 2003.

On Dec 22 My Oncologist left for Tulsa OK where she is now working in

the alternatives division of the Cancer Treatment Centers of America.

About this time I again got careless. Too much desert table at various

functions etc. etc. and sometimes not enough FO/CC and the July PSA

spiked to 23.2. There were still no symptoms of PCa and we decided to

increase the FO/CC to 5 tablespoons a day, increase the ellagic acid,

add 200 mgs a day of powdered ginger, 3 twelve oz glasses a day of

tomato juice for extra lycopene and stay with DIM as well.

I was tempted to get another Lupron shot but decided that at 82, and not

fearing what lies beyond, I would stay with what I had been doing, get

more serious about diet by avoiding sugar, souces of Omega 6 etc. and

see how far it would take me.

Yesterday I received my latest PSA which was 24.9, not significantly

different from the PSA 3 months ago. The previous one had a little

more than doubled in 6 months. This one stayed about the same.

I may add a good source of Graviola, stay focused on what I am doing and

I believe I will be OK, even with at least a semi aggressive cancer

that, based on past evidence, probably has elements that are not

androgen dependent.

I have read that PCa becomes more aggressive with age. I do not know.

I know that if PCa is refactory and advanced it is considered

incurable. All that standard treatment has to offer is chemo for as

long as it might help. I am still believing and hopeful that FO/CC

will be a big help in many of those situations.

I am confident that with Gleason scores of 6 or less especially, and

even higher, the FO/CC is a powerful weapon against any cancer,

including PCa.

Cliff

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CLIFF R U USING THIS WITH THE FLAXSEED TOO AND COTTAGE CHEESE..DIMPLES HOE

ARE YOU FEELING BY THE WAY? DIMPLES FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME IF YOU NEED TO TALK

DIMPLES YOU HELPED ME OUT I'LL DO THE SAME OK

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In a message dated 10/20/2004 3:34:03 PM Central Standard Time,

wendy.joy@... writes:

www.cancertutor.com

This is great, thanks for sharing. I already shared it with all of my

Miracle II distriubtors.

[Guest guest]

Hi Cliff,

I found a site that really helps in making a decision on alternative cancer

treatment. It's www.cancertutor.com and while extensive answers most

questions anyone may have. I have been treating my dads rectal cancer with

alternative solutions and he continues to improve. Have a look and I hope

it helps you. FO/CC stands for Flax oil and cottage cheese. The recipe is

on the site as well. Very good site. You definitely should be taking this

at least twice a day and much more.

Best

Health update Oct 12 2004

>

>

> Hi,

>

> As of today, October 12, 2004 I am going to review a little and present

> an update in my situation with emphasis on the time since April 14,

> 2004.

>

> I am going to review since October 28, 2002 when the PSA went to 20.7.

>

> PSA Oct. 28 2002 20.7

>

> [Oct 31, 2002 I took a 90 day Lupron shot--It probably helped bring he

> PSA down--I do not expeact to take any more Lupron shots

>

> PSA Dec 2 2002 10.7

> PSA Feb 26 2003 5.4 testosterone 16-- I was 81 Jan 5 2003

> PSA April 14 2003 5.9. testosterone 27

> PSA June 3 2003 6.6 testosterone under 50 [different lab

> approach]

> PSA July 16 2003 4.5

> PSA Sept. 3 2003 10.3 [i had been using Androgel for 5 weeks] No

> More

> PSA Nov. 25 2003 4.7

> PSA Jan 8 2004 6.2 -- testosterone below 50 Low

>

> Now at 3 month intervals

>

> PSA April 14, 2004 10.8

> PSA July 7, 2004 23.2

> PSA Oct 6, 004 24.9

>

> I am now 13 years and 9 months since being dxd with a semi

> aggressive PCa with a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes.

> There was no Gleason score done in St. 's in Knoxville when my

> original biopsy was done. All that is known is that it was not the most

> aggressive but was not slow growing. Since then it has been estimated

> that the Gleason was probably in the neighborhood of 7-8 at original

> diagnosis.

>

> I finally was told of a source of ellagic acid that I began using about

> May 1, 2003. Later I became aware of another source of ellagic acid

> hat I believe is stronger and cheaper. I began using that about Jan

> 2004.

>

> My only standard treatment since October of 1995 has been:

>

> Sept. 21 and Oct. 2000 two 30 day Lupron shots

> Dec 8 2001 one 30 eay Lupron shot

> Oct 31 2002 one 90 day Lupron shot

>

> June 7, 2003 I began to use Androgel in an effort to make me feel

> stronger. We felt the Avodart and DIM would keep the PSA down. It

> didn't. I left that after 5 weeks and 10.3 PSA and that went back down

> to 4.7 by Nov. 25, 2003.

>

> On Dec 22 My Oncologist left for Tulsa OK where she is now working in

> the alternatives division of the Cancer Treatment Centers of America.

>

> About this time I again got careless. Too much desert table at various

> functions etc. etc. and sometimes not enough FO/CC and the July PSA

> spiked to 23.2. There were still no symptoms of PCa and we decided to

> increase the FO/CC to 5 tablespoons a day, increase the ellagic acid,

> add 200 mgs a day of powdered ginger, 3 twelve oz glasses a day of

> tomato juice for extra lycopene and stay with DIM as well.

>

> I was tempted to get another Lupron shot but decided that at 82, and not

> fearing what lies beyond, I would stay with what I had been doing, get

> more serious about diet by avoiding sugar, souces of Omega 6 etc. and

> see how far it would take me.

>

> Yesterday I received my latest PSA which was 24.9, not significantly

> different from the PSA 3 months ago. The previous one had a little

> more than doubled in 6 months. This one stayed about the same.

>

> I may add a good source of Graviola, stay focused on what I am doing and

> I believe I will be OK, even with at least a semi aggressive cancer

> that, based on past evidence, probably has elements that are not

> androgen dependent.

>

> I have read that PCa becomes more aggressive with age. I do not know.

> I know that if PCa is refactory and advanced it is considered

> incurable. All that standard treatment has to offer is chemo for as

> long as it might help. I am still believing and hopeful that FO/CC

> will be a big help in many of those situations.

>

> I am confident that with Gleason scores of 6 or less especially, and

> even higher, the FO/CC is a powerful weapon against any cancer,

> including PCa.

>

> Cliff

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws,<http://www.cures for cancer.ws,/>

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>

>

>

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for rectal cancer the best is to remove the tumor with PDT either

with foscan or radachlorin and not operation. Even inoperable rectal

cancer can be treated with this approach. Additional good food and

certain supplements is OK ofcourse.

Gr. kees braam

>

> Hi Cliff,

>

> I found a site that really helps in making a decision on alternative

> cancer

> treatment. It's www.cancertutor.com and while extensive answers most

> questions anyone may have. I have been treating my dads rectal cancer

> with

> alternative solutions and he continues to improve. Have a look and I hope

> it helps you. FO/CC stands for Flax oil and cottage cheese. The recipe

> is

> on the site as well. Very good site. You definitely should be taking

> this

> at least twice a day and much more.

>

> Best

>

> Health update Oct 12 2004

>>

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> As of today, October 12, 2004 I am going to review a little and

>> present

>> an update in my situation with emphasis on the time since April 14,

>> 2004.

>>

>> I am going to review since October 28, 2002 when the PSA went to

>> 20.7.

>>

>> PSA Oct. 28 2002 20.7

>>

>> [Oct 31, 2002 I took a 90 day Lupron shot--It probably helped bring he

>> PSA down--I do not expeact to take any more Lupron shots

>>

>> PSA Dec 2 2002 10.7

>> PSA Feb 26 2003 5.4 testosterone 16-- I was 81 Jan 5 2003

>> PSA April 14 2003 5.9. testosterone 27

>> PSA June 3 2003 6.6 testosterone under 50 [different lab

>> approach]

>> PSA July 16 2003 4.5

>> PSA Sept. 3 2003 10.3 [i had been using Androgel for 5 weeks]

>> No

>> More

>> PSA Nov. 25 2003 4.7

>> PSA Jan 8 2004 6.2 -- testosterone below 50 Low

>>

>> Now at 3 month intervals

>>

>> PSA April 14, 2004 10.8

>> PSA July 7, 2004 23.2

>> PSA Oct 6, 004 24.9

>>

>> I am now 13 years and 9 months since being dxd with a semi

>> aggressive PCa with a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes.

>> There was no Gleason score done in St. 's in Knoxville when my

>> original biopsy was done. All that is known is that it was not the

>> most

>> aggressive but was not slow growing. Since then it has been estimated

>> that the Gleason was probably in the neighborhood of 7-8 at original

>> diagnosis.

>>

>> I finally was told of a source of ellagic acid that I began using

>> about

>> May 1, 2003. Later I became aware of another source of ellagic acid

>> hat I believe is stronger and cheaper. I began using that about Jan

>> 2004.

>>

>> My only standard treatment since October of 1995 has been:

>>

>> Sept. 21 and Oct. 2000 two 30 day Lupron shots

>> Dec 8 2001 one 30 eay Lupron shot

>> Oct 31 2002 one 90 day Lupron shot

>>

>> June 7, 2003 I began to use Androgel in an effort to make me feel

>> stronger. We felt the Avodart and DIM would keep the PSA down. It

>> didn't. I left that after 5 weeks and 10.3 PSA and that went back

>> down

>> to 4.7 by Nov. 25, 2003.

>>

>> On Dec 22 My Oncologist left for Tulsa OK where she is now working in

>> the alternatives division of the Cancer Treatment Centers of America.

>>

>> About this time I again got careless. Too much desert table at

>> various

>> functions etc. etc. and sometimes not enough FO/CC and the July PSA

>> spiked to 23.2. There were still no symptoms of PCa and we decided to

>> increase the FO/CC to 5 tablespoons a day, increase the ellagic acid,

>> add 200 mgs a day of powdered ginger, 3 twelve oz glasses a day of

>> tomato juice for extra lycopene and stay with DIM as well.

>>

>> I was tempted to get another Lupron shot but decided that at 82, and

>> not

>> fearing what lies beyond, I would stay with what I had been doing, get

>> more serious about diet by avoiding sugar, souces of Omega 6 etc. and

>> see how far it would take me.

>>

>> Yesterday I received my latest PSA which was 24.9, not significantly

>> different from the PSA 3 months ago. The previous one had a little

>> more than doubled in 6 months. This one stayed about the same.

>>

>> I may add a good source of Graviola, stay focused on what I am doing

>> and

>> I believe I will be OK, even with at least a semi aggressive cancer

>> that, based on past evidence, probably has elements that are not

>> androgen dependent.

>>

>> I have read that PCa becomes more aggressive with age. I do not know.

>> I know that if PCa is refactory and advanced it is considered

>> incurable. All that standard treatment has to offer is chemo for as

>> long as it might help. I am still believing and hopeful that FO/CC

>> will be a big help in many of those situations.

>>

>> I am confident that with Gleason scores of 6 or less especially, and

>> even higher, the FO/CC is a powerful weapon against any cancer,

>> including PCa.

>>

>> Cliff

>>

>>

>> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws,<http://www.cures for cancer.ws,/>

> and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to

> cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting

> http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv<http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't understand. What is PDT, foscan or radachlorin. I have not heard

of this before? Please let me know as if there is a way to remove the tumor

without operation I would be interested.

Health update Oct 12 2004

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> As of today, October 12, 2004 I am going to review a little and

> >> present

> >> an update in my situation with emphasis on the time since April 14,

> >> 2004.

> >>

> >> I am going to review since October 28, 2002 when the PSA went to

> >> 20.7.

> >>

> >> PSA Oct. 28 2002 20.7

> >>

> >> [Oct 31, 2002 I took a 90 day Lupron shot--It probably helped bring

he

> >> PSA down--I do not expeact to take any more Lupron shots

> >>

> >> PSA Dec 2 2002 10.7

> >> PSA Feb 26 2003 5.4 testosterone 16-- I was 81 Jan 5 2003

> >> PSA April 14 2003 5.9. testosterone 27

> >> PSA June 3 2003 6.6 testosterone under 50 [different lab

> >> approach]

> >> PSA July 16 2003 4.5

> >> PSA Sept. 3 2003 10.3 [i had been using Androgel for 5 weeks]

> >> No

> >> More

> >> PSA Nov. 25 2003 4.7

> >> PSA Jan 8 2004 6.2 -- testosterone below 50 Low

> >>

> >> Now at 3 month intervals

> >>

> >> PSA April 14, 2004 10.8

> >> PSA July 7, 2004 23.2

> >> PSA Oct 6, 004 24.9

> >>

> >> I am now 13 years and 9 months since being dxd with a semi

> >> aggressive PCa with a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes.

> >> There was no Gleason score done in St. 's in Knoxville when my

> >> original biopsy was done. All that is known is that it was not the

> >> most

> >> aggressive but was not slow growing. Since then it has been

estimated

> >> that the Gleason was probably in the neighborhood of 7-8 at original

> >> diagnosis.

> >>

> >> I finally was told of a source of ellagic acid that I began using

> >> about

> >> May 1, 2003. Later I became aware of another source of ellagic acid

> >> hat I believe is stronger and cheaper. I began using that about Jan

> >> 2004.

> >>

> >> My only standard treatment since October of 1995 has been:

> >>

> >> Sept. 21 and Oct. 2000 two 30 day Lupron shots

> >> Dec 8 2001 one 30 eay Lupron shot

> >> Oct 31 2002 one 90 day Lupron shot

> >>

> >> June 7, 2003 I began to use Androgel in an effort to make me feel

> >> stronger. We felt the Avodart and DIM would keep the PSA down. It

> >> didn't. I left that after 5 weeks and 10.3 PSA and that went back

> >> down

> >> to 4.7 by Nov. 25, 2003.

> >>

> >> On Dec 22 My Oncologist left for Tulsa OK where she is now working in

> >> the alternatives division of the Cancer Treatment Centers of America.

> >>

> >> About this time I again got careless. Too much desert table at

> >> various

> >> functions etc. etc. and sometimes not enough FO/CC and the July PSA

> >> spiked to 23.2. There were still no symptoms of PCa and we decided

to

> >> increase the FO/CC to 5 tablespoons a day, increase the ellagic acid,

> >> add 200 mgs a day of powdered ginger, 3 twelve oz glasses a day of

> >> tomato juice for extra lycopene and stay with DIM as well.

> >>

> >> I was tempted to get another Lupron shot but decided that at 82, and

> >> not

> >> fearing what lies beyond, I would stay with what I had been doing,

get

> >> more serious about diet by avoiding sugar, souces of Omega 6 etc. and

> >> see how far it would take me.

> >>

> >> Yesterday I received my latest PSA which was 24.9, not significantly

> >> different from the PSA 3 months ago. The previous one had a little

> >> more than doubled in 6 months. This one stayed about the same.

> >>

> >> I may add a good source of Graviola, stay focused on what I am doing

> >> and

> >> I believe I will be OK, even with at least a semi aggressive cancer

> >> that, based on past evidence, probably has elements that are not

> >> androgen dependent.

> >>

> >> I have read that PCa becomes more aggressive with age. I do not

know.

> >> I know that if PCa is refactory and advanced it is considered

> >> incurable. All that standard treatment has to offer is chemo for as

> >> long as it might help. I am still believing and hopeful that FO/CC

> >> will be a big help in many of those situations.

> >>

> >> I am confident that with Gleason scores of 6 or less especially, and

> >> even higher, the FO/CC is a powerful weapon against any cancer,

> >> including PCa.

> >>

> >> Cliff

> >>

> >>

> >> Get HUGE info at

http://www.cures for cancer.ws,<http://www.cures for cancer.ws,/>

> > and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to

> > cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting

> > http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv<http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I looked up this PDT treatment on the internet and it looked promising do

you know if there is anyone in Canada that uses this procedure?

Health update Oct 12 2004

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> As of today, October 12, 2004 I am going to review a little and

> >> present

> >> an update in my situation with emphasis on the time since April 14,

> >> 2004.

> >>

> >> I am going to review since October 28, 2002 when the PSA went to

> >> 20.7.

> >>

> >> PSA Oct. 28 2002 20.7

> >>

> >> [Oct 31, 2002 I took a 90 day Lupron shot--It probably helped bring

he

> >> PSA down--I do not expeact to take any more Lupron shots

> >>

> >> PSA Dec 2 2002 10.7

> >> PSA Feb 26 2003 5.4 testosterone 16-- I was 81 Jan 5 2003

> >> PSA April 14 2003 5.9. testosterone 27

> >> PSA June 3 2003 6.6 testosterone under 50 [different lab

> >> approach]

> >> PSA July 16 2003 4.5

> >> PSA Sept. 3 2003 10.3 [i had been using Androgel for 5 weeks]

> >> No

> >> More

> >> PSA Nov. 25 2003 4.7

> >> PSA Jan 8 2004 6.2 -- testosterone below 50 Low

> >>

> >> Now at 3 month intervals

> >>

> >> PSA April 14, 2004 10.8

> >> PSA July 7, 2004 23.2

> >> PSA Oct 6, 004 24.9

> >>

> >> I am now 13 years and 9 months since being dxd with a semi

> >> aggressive PCa with a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes.

> >> There was no Gleason score done in St. 's in Knoxville when my

> >> original biopsy was done. All that is known is that it was not the

> >> most

> >> aggressive but was not slow growing. Since then it has been

estimated

> >> that the Gleason was probably in the neighborhood of 7-8 at original

> >> diagnosis.

> >>

> >> I finally was told of a source of ellagic acid that I began using

> >> about

> >> May 1, 2003. Later I became aware of another source of ellagic acid

> >> hat I believe is stronger and cheaper. I began using that about Jan

> >> 2004.

> >>

> >> My only standard treatment since October of 1995 has been:

> >>

> >> Sept. 21 and Oct. 2000 two 30 day Lupron shots

> >> Dec 8 2001 one 30 eay Lupron shot

> >> Oct 31 2002 one 90 day Lupron shot

> >>

> >> June 7, 2003 I began to use Androgel in an effort to make me feel

> >> stronger. We felt the Avodart and DIM would keep the PSA down. It

> >> didn't. I left that after 5 weeks and 10.3 PSA and that went back

> >> down

> >> to 4.7 by Nov. 25, 2003.

> >>

> >> On Dec 22 My Oncologist left for Tulsa OK where she is now working in

> >> the alternatives division of the Cancer Treatment Centers of America.

> >>

> >> About this time I again got careless. Too much desert table at

> >> various

> >> functions etc. etc. and sometimes not enough FO/CC and the July PSA

> >> spiked to 23.2. There were still no symptoms of PCa and we decided

to

> >> increase the FO/CC to 5 tablespoons a day, increase the ellagic acid,

> >> add 200 mgs a day of powdered ginger, 3 twelve oz glasses a day of

> >> tomato juice for extra lycopene and stay with DIM as well.

> >>

> >> I was tempted to get another Lupron shot but decided that at 82, and

> >> not

> >> fearing what lies beyond, I would stay with what I had been doing,

get

> >> more serious about diet by avoiding sugar, souces of Omega 6 etc. and

> >> see how far it would take me.

> >>

> >> Yesterday I received my latest PSA which was 24.9, not significantly

> >> different from the PSA 3 months ago. The previous one had a little

> >> more than doubled in 6 months. This one stayed about the same.

> >>

> >> I may add a good source of Graviola, stay focused on what I am doing

> >> and

> >> I believe I will be OK, even with at least a semi aggressive cancer

> >> that, based on past evidence, probably has elements that are not

> >> androgen dependent.

> >>

> >> I have read that PCa becomes more aggressive with age. I do not

know.

> >> I know that if PCa is refactory and advanced it is considered

> >> incurable. All that standard treatment has to offer is chemo for as

> >> long as it might help. I am still believing and hopeful that FO/CC

> >> will be a big help in many of those situations.

> >>

> >> I am confident that with Gleason scores of 6 or less especially, and

> >> even higher, the FO/CC is a powerful weapon against any cancer,

> >> including PCa.

> >>

> >> Cliff

> >>

> >>

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[Guest guest]

PDT = Photodynamic Therapy and is kind of surgery with lasering -

light.

Gr. kees

>

> Hi,

>

> I don't understand. What is PDT, foscan or radachlorin. I have not heard

> of this before? Please let me know as if there is a way to remove the

> tumor

> without operation I would be interested.

>

>

>

> Health update Oct 12 2004

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi,

>> >>

>> >> As of today, October 12, 2004 I am going to review a little and

>> >> present

>> >> an update in my situation with emphasis on the time since April 14,

>> >> 2004.

>> >>

>> >> I am going to review since October 28, 2002 when the PSA went to

>> >> 20.7.

>> >>

>> >> PSA Oct. 28 2002 20.7

>> >>

>> >> [Oct 31, 2002 I took a 90 day Lupron shot--It probably helped bring

> he

>> >> PSA down--I do not expeact to take any more Lupron shots

>> >>

>> >> PSA Dec 2 2002 10.7

>> >> PSA Feb 26 2003 5.4 testosterone 16-- I was 81 Jan 5 2003

>> >> PSA April 14 2003 5.9. testosterone 27

>> >> PSA June 3 2003 6.6 testosterone under 50 [different lab

>> >> approach]

>> >> PSA July 16 2003 4.5

>> >> PSA Sept. 3 2003 10.3 [i had been using Androgel for 5

>> weeks]

>> >> No

>> >> More

>> >> PSA Nov. 25 2003 4.7

>> >> PSA Jan 8 2004 6.2 -- testosterone below 50 Low

>> >>

>> >> Now at 3 month intervals

>> >>

>> >> PSA April 14, 2004 10.8

>> >> PSA July 7, 2004 23.2

>> >> PSA Oct 6, 004 24.9

>> >>

>> >> I am now 13 years and 9 months since being dxd with a semi

>> >> aggressive PCa with a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes.

>> >> There was no Gleason score done in St. 's in Knoxville when my

>> >> original biopsy was done. All that is known is that it was not the

>> >> most

>> >> aggressive but was not slow growing. Since then it has been

> estimated

>> >> that the Gleason was probably in the neighborhood of 7-8 at

>> original

>> >> diagnosis.

>> >>

>> >> I finally was told of a source of ellagic acid that I began using

>> >> about

>> >> May 1, 2003. Later I became aware of another source of ellagic

>> acid

>> >> hat I believe is stronger and cheaper. I began using that about

>> Jan

>> >> 2004.

>> >>

>> >> My only standard treatment since October of 1995 has been:

>> >>

>> >> Sept. 21 and Oct. 2000 two 30 day Lupron shots

>> >> Dec 8 2001 one 30 eay Lupron shot

>> >> Oct 31 2002 one 90 day Lupron shot

>> >>

>> >> June 7, 2003 I began to use Androgel in an effort to make me feel

>> >> stronger. We felt the Avodart and DIM would keep the PSA down. It

>> >> didn't. I left that after 5 weeks and 10.3 PSA and that went back

>> >> down

>> >> to 4.7 by Nov. 25, 2003.

>> >>

>> >> On Dec 22 My Oncologist left for Tulsa OK where she is now working

>> in

>> >> the alternatives division of the Cancer Treatment Centers of

>> America.

>> >>

>> >> About this time I again got careless. Too much desert table at

>> >> various

>> >> functions etc. etc. and sometimes not enough FO/CC and the July PSA

>> >> spiked to 23.2. There were still no symptoms of PCa and we decided

> to

>> >> increase the FO/CC to 5 tablespoons a day, increase the ellagic

>> acid,

>> >> add 200 mgs a day of powdered ginger, 3 twelve oz glasses a day of

>> >> tomato juice for extra lycopene and stay with DIM as well.

>> >>

>> >> I was tempted to get another Lupron shot but decided that at 82,

>> and

>> >> not

>> >> fearing what lies beyond, I would stay with what I had been doing,

> get

>> >> more serious about diet by avoiding sugar, souces of Omega 6 etc.

>> and

>> >> see how far it would take me.

>> >>

>> >> Yesterday I received my latest PSA which was 24.9, not

>> significantly

>> >> different from the PSA 3 months ago. The previous one had a little

>> >> more than doubled in 6 months. This one stayed about the same.

>> >>

>> >> I may add a good source of Graviola, stay focused on what I am

>> doing

>> >> and

>> >> I believe I will be OK, even with at least a semi aggressive cancer

>> >> that, based on past evidence, probably has elements that are not

>> >> androgen dependent.

>> >>

>> >> I have read that PCa becomes more aggressive with age. I do not

> know.

>> >> I know that if PCa is refactory and advanced it is considered

>> >> incurable. All that standard treatment has to offer is chemo for

>> as

>> >> long as it might help. I am still believing and hopeful that FO/CC

>> >> will be a big help in many of those situations.

>> >>

>> >> I am confident that with Gleason scores of 6 or less especially,

>> and

>> >> even higher, the FO/CC is a powerful weapon against any cancer,

>> >> including PCa.

>> >>

>> >> Cliff

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Get HUGE info at

> http://www.cures for cancer.ws,<http://www.cures for cancer.ws,/>

>> > and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to

>> > cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting

>> > http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv<http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>