Re: Beta glucan PSK/Cancer, National News, Moonbeam

[Guest guest]

Moonbeam

Charlie is taking up to 40 grams of vitamin C a day and we have not reached

bowel tolerance. His digstive system has always worked well, too, so I

expected loose stools at a lower level.

He gets 5 to 6 grams of C and 4 grams of MSM several times a day, plus other

stuff. I carry the stuff in old pill bottles in my purse, so it is not even a

question of having to be home to take it.

On the beta 1,3 glucan, what doses did your relatives take over what period

of time?

When the vitamin C gets lowered for a few days for whatever reason..... he

pops up with another UTI..... squamous cell bladder cancer is the issue here, by

the way.

mjh

In a message dated 9/8/2004 7:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

moonbeam@... writes:

From: " S. " <jsr1936@...>

Date sent: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:00:32 -0700

Subject: PSK/Cancer, National News, Moonbeam

Hi ,

theses words were not meant to be an insult to you. I am sure

that you have some

experience using the medline, but with search terms one must use the words

" AND " " OR " in

capitals, and the fewer the terms the more the results, if no results reduce

the terms further, if too

many add terms or use LIMITS options, and choose a date range.

The best articles always have no abstracts, that is normal. Articles against

natural products usually

have a full and lengthy abstract.

Naturally if you could not find the article, which has no abstract, then the

public would have even

less chance.

It is very good that the National Cancer Institue says PSK doesnt work,

that means it must be a

big threat to drug companies chemo products, what more praise could be given

to a product than

a negative comment by the NCI.

News for you though , it is the whole family of beta glucan which is

good to take, not just PSK

beta glucan. PSK is good as beta glucan can activatea the macrophage cell

which, when

activated and fed with VITAMIN C, can then eat the TUMOR. This is called

phagocytosis, but this

only happens when the macrophage immune cell is activated by something like

beta or alpha

glucan.

I use beta glucan for the common cold, however it only really works for me

if taken on the first or

second day of the cold. Got a cold last week, it lasted six hours after I

started taking glucan, but my

sister used it for her cancer, she now has no cancer at all for many years,

so did my neighbour with

stage 4 lung cancer (11 tumors 2 or 3 cm) with complete remmission for years

now.

In support of the NCI they both added this to STANDARD TREATMENT, BUT IN

BOTH CASES

THE DOCTOR SAID THEY WOULD NOT SURVIVE EVEN WITH THE STANDARD TREATMENT

- chemo etc..

The exception to this rule is those beta glucans that are not bio-available

or are not absorbed by

the digestive system. The main culprit here is SHITAKE MUSHROOMS - no help in

eating them at

all.

And it is better to get a purified beta glucan, not just eat the special

mushrooms as the extract has

the active ingedient more concentrated.

And it is crucial to take lots of vitamin C (any brand or type) several times

a day or at least twice a

day. That is, as much as one can handle without getting side effects of

diareheoa, for example 3 or

4 gms twice a day.

I could post lots of journal articles like the one that you refer to, saying

beta glucan products are

good for to take for cancer. I have allready posted journal articles which

showed such products

doubled the percentage of long term, cancer patient survival, but dooctors

get paid more if you

stay sick longer.

I rang the biggest national public cancer organisation, told them survival

rates doubled in very big,

long term Japanese clinical trials with glucan, they were not interested at

all. I had expected a

comment like " that's fantastic, what is the volume and date of the journal

article " so we can check

the results. They didnt even want to know anything about the trial at all and

actively discouraged me

from trying to sell the product. I learnt a lot from that phone call.

good luck,

moonbeam

mjh

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Hi,

the friends took at least 1gm a day for six months, by which time CT

scans showed no tumors.

they took much more than this one product however and they tried to follow

Protocol 1 enzyme

therapy. Then they took a maintinence dose say 1/3 to 1/2 gm daily for some

years to prevent

recurrence. One must realise that when the CT scan shows no tumors, that does

not mean there

are no cancer cells left in the body. There will indeed be some few cancer cells

left, invisible on the

CT scan, and the immune sysytem must clean them up over the following months or

years to

prevent recurrence.

I have never understood why people take MSM, which from memory, is a natural

killer cell

activator. We had this same discussion here some years ago.

The reason I say this is that in my understanding Beta Glucan activates the

macrophage cell-

which is much more important than the natural killer cell, then after macrophage

phagocytosis of

the tumor, and tumor antigen presentation by the macrophage cell, the natural

killer cell is then

activated and programmed to specifically target the tumor antigens presented by

the macrophage.

This seems better to me than just Natural killer cell activation. also the

messenger cytokines

produced by the beta glucan activated macrophage will then activate the Thymus

gland and T-

Cells, leading to activation of the immune cascade. This does not happen if one

takes MSM.

People I know take at least 1gm of beta glucan a day. i can not say how much

PSK PSP or other

mushroom extracts to take a day. I use yeast derived beta glucan as it is much

cheaper and just as

good in my opinion. certainly Vetvicka (see reference below) found yeast

derived glucan made

immune cells destroy human breast cancer cells, when previously the same immune

cells could not

destroy the same breast cancer cells.

(13) Journal of Immunology Jul 15 1997;159(2):599-605

Vetvicka V, Thornton BP, Wieman TJ, Ross GD

Targeting of natural killer cells to mammary carcinoma via naturally

occurring tumor cell-bound iC3b and beta-glucan-primed CR3 (CD11b/CD18).

In a study by Bogwald, J. et al., the authors showed that

glucan activated macrophages were capable of killing different types

of cancer cells such as melanoma and mastocytoma (8). The authors

said " macrophages stimulated by an insoluble Beta-1,3D-glucan from

yeast cell walls were able to destroy tumour cells as measured by

the release of radioactive label from prelabelled 14C-thymidine

cells. " Other authors have found similar results. Di Luzio et al.

found that glucan was capable of producing a " significant reduction

in the growth of mammary carcinoma and melanoma B16 " , and concluded

" glucan initiates significant antitumor activity " (9). In a separate study Di

Luzio

et al. found that glucan produced " inhibition of

tumor growth and enhancement of survival in a variety of transplantable

tumors " (10).

Additional evidence of the antitumor

effects is given by Seljelid R, who stated that " when

water-soluble aminated Beta-1,3D-Glucan was injected intravenously

or intraperitoneally on day 7 of tumor growth, the tumors underwent

complete regression " (11). Similar injections of Beta-1,3D-Glucan into

tumors performed by Mansell et al. also showed positive results. The

authors injected Beta-1,3D-Glucan directly into patients with a variety

of tumors, including breast cancer and melanoma. Although the

numbers of patients was small (nine patients) they found in every

case " the size of the lesion was strikingly reduced in as short a

period as 5 days " and " the amount of glucan injected and the

quantity of residual tumor appeared to be related " (12), suggesting a

dose response correlation.

Scientists are well aware that sometimes our immune system

simply fails to recognise and hence kill cancer cells, resulting in

the uncontrolled growth of the cancer. Researchers at University of

Louisville USA, showed that Beta-1,3D-Glucan could help the immune

system to target and then kill cancers that otherwise would have

gone unrecognised and hence unaffected, by the immune system. The

authors wrote, " Despite exhibiting membrane-bound C3, breast tumor

cell lines were not killed by CR3 bearing natural killer cells.

Priming of natural killer cell CR3 with small soluble yeast

beta-glucan polysaccharides enabled CR3 dependent killing of these

same C3 bearing tumor cell lines " (13). So Beta-1,3D-Glucan assists the

immune system in recognising cancer cells from normal cells.

Beta-glucan exhibits not only a direct antitumor effect via

macrophage activation and enhanced cancer cell recognition, but also

shows a synergistic effect when used in combination with

conventional anti-cancer drugs. Gomaa, K. et al state that when used

alone, " glucan exhibited a strong inhibition of tumour growth of the

allogeneic Sarcoma-180 " . However in testing the synergistic effect

of glucan with anti-cancer drugs they wrote " against the hormone

sensitive Noble-Nb-R prostate carcinoma the glucan alone showed a

moderate antitumor effect, whereas in combination with

diethylstilbestrol an almost complete regression of the tumour could

be achieved " (14). This is just one of many examples where glucan

has been shown to have a synergistic effect when combined with other

medications.

Obviously every large lethal solid tumor began life as a single

cancer cell. It would seem possible that everyone might develop a

single cancer cell somewhere in their body during their lifetime,

yet not everyone dies of cancer or even develops a noticeable

cancer. It would seem possible that people with an active immune

system may have macrophages in an activated state, that can easily

overcome and phagotize isolated single cancer cells in the body. On

the other hand if the natural defences were weakened through

exposure to environmental contaminants and a single cancer cell was

to develop, then that single cancer cell might go unrecognised and

unchallenged by the bodies weakened natural defences. It would

multiply and eventually it would become millions of cancer cells and

a much bigger problem for the body to deal with.

8) Scand J Immunol 1982 Mar;15(3):297-304

The cytotoxic effect of mouse macrophages stimulated in vitro by a

Beta-1,3-D-glucan from yeast cell walls. Bogwald J, E,

Seljelid R

(9) Recent Results Cancer Res 1980;75:165-72

Comparative evaluation of the tumor inhibitory and antibacterial

activity of solubilized and particulate glucan. di Luzio NR,

DL, McNamee RB, Malshet VG

(10) Adv Exp Med Biol 1979; 121(A):269-90

Induced inhibition of tumor growth and enhancement

of survival in a variety of transplantable and spontaneous murine

tumor models. Di Luzio NR, McNamee RB, DL, Gilbert KM,

Spanjers MA Med PMID: 547726, UI: 80216964

(11) Biosci Rep 6(9):845-851. Sep 1986. Seljelid R.

A water-soluble aminated beta 1-3D-glucan derivative causes

regression of solid tumors in mice.

(12)J. Natl Cancer Inst Mar 1975; 54(3):571-80

Mansell P Ichinose H RJ Krementz ET McNamee R Di Luzio NR

Macrophage-mediated destruction of human malignant cells in vivo.

(13) Journal of Immunology Jul 15 1997;159(2):599-605

Vetvicka V, Thornton BP, Wieman TJ, Ross GD

Targeting of natural killer cells to mammary carcinoma via naturally

occurring tumor cell-bound iC3b and beta-glucan-primed CR3 (CD11b/CD18).

(14)J Cancer Res Clin Oncol, 1992, 118:2, 136-40

Gomaa K; Kraus J; Rosskopf F; Röper H; Franz G

Antitumour and immunological activity of a beta 1-3/1-6 glucan

from Glomerella cingulata.

m.

cures for cancer

From: foxhillers@...

Date sent: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:05:36 EDT

Subject: Re: Beta glucan PSK/Cancer, National News,

Moonbeam

Send reply to: cures for cancer

> Moonbeam

>

> Charlie is taking up to 40 grams of vitamin C a day and we have not reached

> bowel tolerance. His digstive system has always worked well, too, so I

> expected loose stools at a lower level.

>

> He gets 5 to 6 grams of C and 4 grams of MSM several times a day, plus other

> stuff. I carry the stuff in old pill bottles in my purse, so it is not even a

> question of having to be home to take it.

>

> On the beta 1,3 glucan, what doses did your relatives take over what period

> of time?

>

> When the vitamin C gets lowered for a few days for whatever reason..... he

> pops up with another UTI..... squamous cell bladder cancer is the issue here,

by

> the way.

>

> mjh

>

> In a message dated 9/8/2004 7:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> moonbeam@... writes:

> From: " S. " <jsr1936@...>

> Date sent: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:00:32 -0700

> Subject: PSK/Cancer, National News, Moonbeam

>

> Hi ,

> theses words were not meant to be an insult to you. I am sure

> that you have some

> experience using the medline, but with search terms one must use the words

> " AND " " OR " in

> capitals, and the fewer the terms the more the results, if no results reduce

> the terms further, if too

> many add terms or use LIMITS options, and choose a date range.

>

> The best articles always have no abstracts, that is normal. Articles against

> natural products usually

> have a full and lengthy abstract.

>

> Naturally if you could not find the article, which has no abstract, then the

> public would have even

> less chance.

>

> It is very good that the National Cancer Institue says PSK doesnt work,

> that means it must be a

> big threat to drug companies chemo products, what more praise could be given

> to a product than

> a negative comment by the NCI.

>

> News for you though , it is the whole family of beta glucan which is

> good to take, not just PSK

> beta glucan. PSK is good as beta glucan can activatea the macrophage cell

> which, when

> activated and fed with VITAMIN C, can then eat the TUMOR. This is called

> phagocytosis, but this

> only happens when the macrophage immune cell is activated by something like

> beta or alpha

> glucan.

> I use beta glucan for the common cold, however it only really works for me

> if taken on the first or

> second day of the cold. Got a cold last week, it lasted six hours after I

> started taking glucan, but my

> sister used it for her cancer, she now has no cancer at all for many years,

> so did my neighbour with

> stage 4 lung cancer (11 tumors 2 or 3 cm) with complete remmission for years

> now.

> In support of the NCI they both added this to STANDARD TREATMENT, BUT IN

> BOTH CASES

> THE DOCTOR SAID THEY WOULD NOT SURVIVE EVEN WITH THE STANDARD TREATMENT

> - chemo etc..

> The exception to this rule is those beta glucans that are not bio-available

> or are not absorbed by

> the digestive system. The main culprit here is SHITAKE MUSHROOMS - no help in

> eating them at

> all.

> And it is better to get a purified beta glucan, not just eat the special

> mushrooms as the extract has

> the active ingedient more concentrated.

> And it is crucial to take lots of vitamin C (any brand or type) several times

> a day or at least twice a

> day. That is, as much as one can handle without getting side effects of

> diareheoa, for example 3 or

> 4 gms twice a day.

> I could post lots of journal articles like the one that you refer to, saying

> beta glucan products are

> good for to take for cancer. I have allready posted journal articles which

> showed such products

> doubled the percentage of long term, cancer patient survival, but dooctors

> get paid more if you

> stay sick longer.

> I rang the biggest national public cancer organisation, told them survival

> rates doubled in very big,

> long term Japanese clinical trials with glucan, they were not interested at

> all. I had expected a

> comment like " that's fantastic, what is the volume and date of the journal

> article " so we can check

> the results. They didnt even want to know anything about the trial at all and

> actively discouraged me

> from trying to sell the product. I learnt a lot from that phone call.

>

> good luck,

> moonbeam

>

> mjh

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/24/2004 9:52:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

johnmagal@... writes:

Hi Moonbeam.

I just read your intersting post.

What is a " gm " ? And how did your friends find this dosis? Arbitrarily

or be a doctors'or the manufacturer's recommendation?

Thank you for your help.

..

..

>>>>

gm = gram

mg = milligram

they are both units of weight, as are ounces and pounds.

mjh

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/