Re: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/23/04 2:57:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

googerramony@... writes:

>

> nothing comes up

>

> Steve

>

odd..came up for me before i cross posted.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/23/04 2:57:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

googerramony@... writes:

> nothing comes up

>

> Steve

>

I just tried it again..came right up. Just copy and paste.

[Guest guest]

nothing comes up

Steve

[Guest guest]

,

I am sure you mean well, and I'm sure that such things are possible, but

there was nothing there but accusations that anyone could have produced. How

do you KNOW that those facts were true? How do you KNOW that those pictures

were the result of what was claimed? We have been guilty of wrong-doings in

the past, but dissemination of false information works for our enemies, too,

and they are just as likely to do it as we are...and probably much more so.

In spite of our faults, we ARE a nation with a conscience and try to do what

is right. Sometimes we fall short, but nothing in comparison to what has

occurred in other countries, especially Iraq in recent times.

Do you know of ONE Gulf War vet who is suffering as that website claimed? I

served in that war and am still in the Air Force and I don't know of one

myself! The news media will find a few with some problems and then the next

thing you know there is an EPIDEMIC...a CRISIS... It distresses me to see

reality distorted in so many ways for political or economic purposes, but it

happens...so be on guard... (and I will continue to be on guard for

deception on both sides; I always have been somewhat skeptical and wary....)

Bob B.

http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

> I am sharing this not necessarily for political purposes but for

information

> on one of the reaons for an increase in cancer in our world. Borders are

> man-made..the water and wind currents carry contaminents everywhere!

>

>

>

>

> > http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

> >

> http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/04 7:05:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ipmurray@...

writes:

> I recently had a hair analyze and I am very high in uranium, tin, mercury,

> and lead.

>

> I will be doing a EDTA detox.

>

>

I was tested on one of those computerized sound programs and saran gas showed

up! Now, how does a nice girl from the north eastern US have saran in her

system?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/04 10:02:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

googerramony@... writes:

> What is Sarin gas?

>

Saran is what was used in the Japanese subway attack. Even a smidgeon can

keep thousands. I don't believe there is a cure.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/04 5:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> , but

> there was nothing there but accusations that anyone could have produced. How

> do you KNOW that those facts were true?

Bob...I don't know anything for sure but I did do some superficial searching

and came up with some information:

WHO ‘suppressed’ scientific study into depleted uranium cancer fears in Iraq

Radiation experts warn in unpublished report that DU weapons used by Allies

in Gulf war pose long-term health risk

By Rob , Environment Editor

An expert report warning that the long-term health of Iraq’s civilian

population would be endangered by British and US depleted uranium (DU) weapons

has

been kept secret.The study by three leading radiation scientists cautioned that

children and adults could contract cancer after breathing in dust containing

DU, which is radioactive and chemically toxic. But it was blocked from

publication by the World Health Organisation (WHO), which employed the main

author, Dr

Baverstock, as a senior radiation advisor. He alleges that it was

deliberately suppressed, though this is denied by WHO.Baverstock also believes

that

if the study had been published when it was completed in 2001, there would

have been more pressure on the US and UK to limit their use of DU weapons in

last year’s war, and to clean up afterwards.Hundreds of thousands of DU shells

were fired by coalition tanks and planes during the conflict, and there has been

no comprehensive decontamination. Experts from the United Nations Environment

Programme (UNEP) have so far not been allowed into Iraq to assess the

pollution.“Our study suggests that the widespread use of depleted uranium

weapons in

Iraq could pose a unique health hazard to the civilian population,†Baverstock

told the Sunday Herald.“There is increasing scientific evidence the radio

activity and the chemical toxicity of DU could cause more damage to human cells

than is assumed.â€Baverstock was the WHO’s top expert on radiation and health

for 11 years until he retired in May last year. He now works with the

Department of Environmental Sciences at the University of Kuopio in Finland, and

was

recently appointed to the UK government’s newly formed Committee on Radio

active

Waste Management.While he was a member of staff, WHO refused to give him

permission to publish the study, which was co-authored by Professor Carmel

Mothersill from McMaster University in Canada and Dr Mike Thorne, a radiation

consultant . Baverstock suspects that WHO was leaned on by a more powerful

pro-nuclear UN body, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).“I believe

our study

was censored and suppressed by the WHO because they didn’t like its

conclusions. Previous experience suggests that WHO officials were bowing to

pressure

from the IAEA, whose remit is to promote nuclear power,†he said. “That is

more

than unfortunate, as publishing the study would have helped forewarn the

authorities of the risks of using DU weapons in Iraq.â€These allegations,

however,

are dismissed as “totally unfounded†by WHO. “The IAEA role was very

minor,â€

said Dr Mike Repacholi, the WHO coordinator of radiation and environmental

health in Geneva. “The article was not approved for publication because parts

of

it did not reflect accurately what a WHO-convened group of inter national

experts considered the best science in the area of depleted uranium,†he

added.Baverstock’s study, which has now been passed to the Sunday Herald,

pointed out

that Iraq’s arid climate meant that tiny particles of DU were likely to be

blown around and inhaled by civilians for years to come. It warned that, when

inside the body, their radiation and toxicity could trigger the growth of

malignant tumours.The study suggested that the low-level radiation from DU could

harm

cells adjacent to those that are directly irradiated, a phenomenon known as “

the bystander effectâ€. This undermines the stability of the body’s genetic

system, and is thought by many scientists to be linked to cancers and possibly

other illnesses.In addition, the DU in Iraq, like that used in the Balkan

conflict, could turn out to be contaminated with plutonium and other radioactive

waste . That would make it more radioactive and hence more dangerous, Baverstock

argued.“The radiation and the chemical toxicity of DU could also act together

to create a ‘cocktail effect’ that further increases the risk of cancer.

These are all worrying possibilities that urgently require more

investigation,†he

said.Baverstock’s anxiety about the health effects of DU in Iraq is shared by

Pekka Haavisto, the chairman of the UN Environment Programme’s Post-Conflict

Assessment Unit in Geneva. “It is certainly a concern in Iraq, there is no

doubt about that,†he said.UNEP, which surveyed DU contamination in Bosnia and

Herzegovina in 2002, is keen to get into Iraq to monitor the situation as soon

as possible. It has been told by the British government that about 1.9 tonnes

of DU was fired from tanks around Basra, but has no information from US forces,

which are bound to have used a lot more.Haavisto’s greatest worry is when

buildings hit by DU shells have been repaired and reoccupied without having been

properly cleaned up. Photographic evidence suggests that this is exactly what

has happened to the ministry of planning building in Baghdad. He also

highlighted evidence that DU from weapons had been collected and recycled as

scrap in

Iraq. “It could end up in a fork or a knife,†he warned.“It is ridiculous

to

leave the material lying around and not to clear it up where adults are

working and children are playing. If DU is not taken care of, instead of

decreasing

the risk you are increasing it. It is absolutely wrong.†22 February 2004

Also: http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm

[Guest guest]

That was very interesting. I grew up in Las Vegas, New Mexico which is near

Los Alamos necular station.

I recently had a hair analyze and I am very high in uranium, tin, mercury,

and lead.

I will be doing a EDTA detox.

Thank for the info

Irene

http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

> I am sharing this not necessarily for political purposes but for

information

> on one of the reaons for an increase in cancer in our world. Borders are

> man-made..the water and wind currents carry contaminents everywhere!

>

>

>

>

> > http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

> >

> http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/04 5:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> I

> served in that war and am still in the Air Force and I don't know of one

> myself!

I have seen them on credible tv shows.

[Guest guest]

How do you do an EDTA detox?What is Sarin gas?

Steve

[Guest guest]

omg--and people in US are finding that in their systems?How do you do an

EDTA detox,do you know?

Steve

[Guest guest]

what is an EDTA detox,and how do you do it,please?

Steve

[Guest guest]

Maybe the computerized sound program was in error? A computer program is

only as good as the programmer...

Bob B.

Re: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

> In a message dated 8/24/04 7:05:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ipmurray@...

> writes:

>

>

> > I recently had a hair analyze and I am very high in uranium, tin,

mercury,

> > and lead.

> >

> > I will be doing a EDTA detox.

> >

> >

> I was tested on one of those computerized sound programs and saran gas

showed

> up! Now, how does a nice girl from the north eastern US have saran in her

> system?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting. It's hard to know what and who to believe. Did you notice that

the link you gave below contradicts a lot of what was said below? There are

a lot of " fears " out there that are published by the media - to include fear

of the sun, fear of cholesterol, and so on. Fear sells...

Bob B.

Re: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

In a message dated 8/24/04 5:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> , but

> there was nothing there but accusations that anyone could have produced.

How

> do you KNOW that those facts were true?

Bob...I don't know anything for sure but I did do some superficial searching

and came up with some information:

WHO ‘suppressed’ scientific study into depleted uranium cancer fears in Iraq

Radiation experts warn in unpublished report that DU weapons used by Allies

in Gulf war pose long-term health risk

By Rob , Environment Editor

An expert report warning that the long-term health of Iraq’s civilian

population would be endangered by British and US depleted uranium (DU)

weapons has

been kept secret.The study by three leading radiation scientists cautioned

that

children and adults could contract cancer after breathing in dust containing

DU, which is radioactive and chemically toxic. But it was blocked from

publication by the World Health Organisation (WHO), which employed the main

author, Dr

Baverstock, as a senior radiation advisor. He alleges that it was

deliberately suppressed, though this is denied by WHO.Baverstock also

believes that

if the study had been published when it was completed in 2001, there would

have been more pressure on the US and UK to limit their use of DU weapons in

last year’s war, and to clean up afterwards.Hundreds of thousands of DU

shells

were fired by coalition tanks and planes during the conflict, and there has

been

no comprehensive decontamination. Experts from the United Nations

Environment

Programme (UNEP) have so far not been allowed into Iraq to assess the

pollution.“Our study suggests that the widespread use of depleted uranium

weapons in

Iraq could pose a unique health hazard to the civilian population,â€

Baverstock

told the Sunday Herald.“There is increasing scientific evidence the radio

activity and the chemical toxicity of DU could cause more damage to human

cells

than is assumed.â€Baverstock was the WHO’s top expert on radiation and health

for 11 years until he retired in May last year. He now works with the

Department of Environmental Sciences at the University of Kuopio in Finland,

and was

recently appointed to the UK government’s newly formed Committee on Radio

active

Waste Management.While he was a member of staff, WHO refused to give him

permission to publish the study, which was co-authored by Professor Carmel

Mothersill from McMaster University in Canada and Dr Mike Thorne, a

radiation

consultant . Baverstock suspects that WHO was leaned on by a more powerful

pro-nuclear UN body, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).“I

believe our study

was censored and suppressed by the WHO because they didn’t like its

conclusions. Previous experience suggests that WHO officials were bowing to

pressure

from the IAEA, whose remit is to promote nuclear power,†he said. “That is

more

than unfortunate, as publishing the study would have helped forewarn the

authorities of the risks of using DU weapons in Iraq.â€These allegations,

however,

are dismissed as “totally unfounded†by WHO. “The IAEA role was very

minor,â€

said Dr Mike Repacholi, the WHO coordinator of radiation and environmental

health in Geneva. “The article was not approved for publication because

parts of

it did not reflect accurately what a WHO-convened group of inter national

experts considered the best science in the area of depleted uranium,†he

added.Baverstock’s study, which has now been passed to the Sunday Herald,

pointed out

that Iraq’s arid climate meant that tiny particles of DU were likely to be

blown around and inhaled by civilians for years to come. It warned that,

when

inside the body, their radiation and toxicity could trigger the growth of

malignant tumours.The study suggested that the low-level radiation from DU

could harm

cells adjacent to those that are directly irradiated, a phenomenon known as

“

the bystander effectâ€. This undermines the stability of the body’s genetic

system, and is thought by many scientists to be linked to cancers and

possibly

other illnesses.In addition, the DU in Iraq, like that used in the Balkan

conflict, could turn out to be contaminated with plutonium and other

radioactive

waste . That would make it more radioactive and hence more dangerous,

Baverstock

argued.“The radiation and the chemical toxicity of DU could also act

together

to create a ‘cocktail effect’ that further increases the risk of cancer.

These are all worrying possibilities that urgently require more

investigation,†he

said.Baverstock’s anxiety about the health effects of DU in Iraq is shared

by

Pekka Haavisto, the chairman of the UN Environment Programme’s Post-Conflict

Assessment Unit in Geneva. “It is certainly a concern in Iraq, there is no

doubt about that,†he said.UNEP, which surveyed DU contamination in Bosnia

and

Herzegovina in 2002, is keen to get into Iraq to monitor the situation as

soon

as possible. It has been told by the British government that about 1.9

tonnes

of DU was fired from tanks around Basra, but has no information from US

forces,

which are bound to have used a lot more.Haavisto’s greatest worry is when

buildings hit by DU shells have been repaired and reoccupied without having

been

properly cleaned up. Photographic evidence suggests that this is exactly

what

has happened to the ministry of planning building in Baghdad. He also

highlighted evidence that DU from weapons had been collected and recycled as

scrap in

Iraq. “It could end up in a fork or a knife,†he warned.“It is ridiculous

to

leave the material lying around and not to clear it up where adults are

working and children are playing. If DU is not taken care of, instead of

decreasing

the risk you are increasing it. It is absolutely wrong.†22 February 2004

Also: http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm

[Guest guest]

That's why I asked if you knew anyone personally... The media can always

dig up a few people to serve its purposes. Watch Jerry Springer for some

examples!

I'm sure they could find " some " people for this and " some " people to tell

you how the sun is killing them, too. One has to be careful about choosing

what is credible...I've been at fault here myself. I now tend to look around

for myself and see what the world around me is telling me...and not my tv...

Bob B.

Re: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

>

> In a message dated 8/24/04 5:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rbeiswenger@... writes:

>

>

> > I

> > served in that war and am still in the Air Force and I don't know of one

> > myself!

>

> I have seen them on credible tv shows.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/25/04 6:41:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> There are

> a lot of " fears " out there that are published by the media - to include fear

> of the sun, fear of cholesterol, and so on. Fear sells...

>

That is why this list is so important, and others like it. We are all

seeking truth because only truth heals!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/25/04 6:53:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> Maybe the computerized sound program was in error? A computer program is

> only as good as the programmer...

>

> Bob B.

>

I questioned her on that on she insisted that her program was accurate. I

know that they use it with autistic children with great success. She did

mention that there possibly could be some other substance that shares the same

frequency as Saran Gas but she wasnt aware of what that could be.

[Guest guest]

You really have to approach everything very cautiously these days. Everyone

seems to have an agenda...

Bob Beiswenger <rbeiswenger@...> wrote:That's why I asked if you knew

anyone personally... The media can always

dig up a few people to serve its purposes. Watch Jerry Springer for some

examples!

I'm sure they could find " some " people for this and " some " people to tell

you how the sun is killing them, too. One has to be careful about choosing

what is credible...I've been at fault here myself. I now tend to look around

for myself and see what the world around me is telling me...and not my tv...

Bob B.

Re: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

>

> In a message dated 8/24/04 5:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rbeiswenger@... writes:

>

>

> > I

> > served in that war and am still in the Air Force and I don't know of one

> > myself!

>

> I have seen them on credible tv shows.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can go to Oradix.com and read about EDTA or chelation. I chose this

method rather that the one where you have to go in and have an IV.

Re: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

> How do you do an EDTA detox?What is Sarin gas?

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

> In a message dated 8/25/04 6:41:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rbeiswenger@... writes:

>

>

> > There are

> > a lot of " fears " out there that are published by the media - to include

fear

> > of the sun, fear of cholesterol, and so on. Fear sells...

> >

>

> That is why this list is so important, and others like it. We are all

> seeking truth because only truth heals!

>

>

>