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Good - I hope someone can go after him and stop him

This has gone far enough

Keep us posted

At 06:55 PM 05/07/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>Sheri,

>Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot has my kids

>chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at his site:

>

>http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

>

>We have an attorney in our family who says it may be possible to do

>something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm sickened by

>this idiot.

>

>Diane

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Diane, I hope you can do something. Is that the reason the eyes are

covered? Doesn't this guy have anything better to do with this time?

> >Sheri,

> >Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot has my kids

> >chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at his site:

> >

> >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

> >

> >We have an attorney in our family who says it may be possible to

do

> >something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm sickened

by

> >this idiot.

> >

> >Diane

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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regarding chickenpox and remedies- i was told by a mother with older children

that lavender and tea tree oil really minimize the itching and make the

children more comfortable! this may antidote homeopathic medicines, but for

those not using them, the essential oils really help!

stacy

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Yes, Diane, I sure hope you go after this creep. I'm all for First

Amendment rights and all that good stuff, but this guy is over the top.

Kim

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> Diane, I hope you can do something. Is that the reason the eyes are

> covered? Doesn't this guy have anything better to do with this time?

>

>

>

>

> > >Sheri,

> > >Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot has my kids

> > >chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at his site:

> > >

> > >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

> > >

> > >We have an attorney in our family who says it may be possible to

> do

> > >something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm sickened

> by

> > >this idiot.

> > >

> > >Diane

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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OMG!!! I wish you alot of luck!!! seriously!!

christina in canada

> Sheri,

> Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot has my kids

> chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at his site:

>

> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

>

> We have an attorney in our family who says it may be possible to do

> something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm sickened by

> this idiot.

>

> Diane

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I don't understand about the the eyes being covered????

Joanna

hjfasufi <Hjfasufi@...> wrote: Diane, I hope you can do something. Is that

the reason the eyes are

covered? Doesn't this guy have anything better to do with this time?

> >Sheri,

> >Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot has my kids

> >chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at his site:

> >

> >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

> >

> >We have an attorney in our family who says it may be possible to

do

> >something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm sickened

by

> >this idiot.

> >

> >Diane

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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He has put a black bar across the eyes so they won't be recongized I guess

-like they do in some medical textbooks

At 03:56 PM 05/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>

> I don't understand about the the eyes being covered????

>Joanna

> hjfasufi <Hjfasufi@...> wrote: Diane, I hope you can do something.

Is that the reason the eyes are

>covered? Doesn't this guy have anything better to do with this time?

>

>

>

>

>> Good - I hope someone can go after him and stop him

>> This has gone far enough

>>

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I would imagine that if he's portraying the children as being " abused " when

this is not the case, he could be sued for libel - he must therefore assure

their anonymity. Just a guess...

Sue

> Re: Re: Ratbag

>

>

> He has put a black bar across the eyes so they won't be recongized I guess

> -like they do in some medical textbooks

>

> At 03:56 PM 05/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >

> > I don't understand about the the eyes being covered????

> >Joanna

> > hjfasufi <Hjfasufi@...> wrote: Diane, I hope you can do something.

> Is that the reason the eyes are

> >covered? Doesn't this guy have anything better to do with this time?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >> Good - I hope someone can go after him and stop him

> >> This has gone far enough

> >>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@...

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL

> ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

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I looked at it and this kind of crap infuriates me. His little question

about what's to stop a 4 yo from scratching a pustule under the eye. Well,

who's to say the child wouldn't have still contracted Cp with the vax and

gotten one right there? It's so one-sided! And I like to think that altho

I am TOTALLY against vaxxes I realize most of the people I know and love are

going to do this so I have compromised(and toned down my passion). I have

compromised by buying them Cave's book " What Your Doctor May Not

Tell You About Childhood Vaccinations " or something like that. So, since

they are going to vax, they can at least try to do it safer and with the

correct supplemantation. And I pray for the day when vaxxes are safer or

outlawed! Still, nothing beats natural immunity. And who knows? Maybe

realize they don't need all or any. Of course, I still send info from my

point of view. This is a compromise I can live with as I need friends. I

have considered only encouraging friendships with persons of the same life

style but I would be VERY lonely. So I do my best to be an example and try

to send any requested info. Not that anyone has tried anything I found as

alternatives. I'll keep on trying.

Anyhow, I also wanted to add that my last 2 went thru CP without any

suppression(except daddy's administrtion of tylenol for headache which

earned him a severe tongue-lashing from me). No calamine,benedryl,etc. I

rubbed them thru their clothes with my fingertips and gave extra

cuddling,Vit C,propolis. The 2 yo was worse on her scalp but the 4 yo would

have made an excellent CP poster child! Almost all sores are faded. They

barely ran a fever. A lady asked me today if I'd had them vaccinated and I

said we don't vaccinate...ever...for anything. She fears her sons vax won't

immune him to CP. I saod my sister;s son was vaxxed and got them. I hope

she took pics...maybe I'll load them under CP with vax!! and send THAT to

ratbags except I don't want my family on his disgusting site.

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I will!!!!!!!!!

Diane

> >Sheri,

> >Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot has my

kids

> >chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at his site:

> >

> >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

> >

> >We have an attorney in our family who says it may be possible to

do

> >something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm sickened

by

> >this idiot.

> >

> >Diane

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I agree. He can feel free to write whatever the hell he wants

to ,but using my kids pics crossed the line.

Diane

> > > >Sheri,

> > > >Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot has my

kids

> > > >chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at his

site:

> > > >

> > > >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

> > > >

> > > >We have an attorney in our family who says it may be possible

to

> > do

> > > >something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm

sickened

> > by

> > > >this idiot.

> > > >

> > > >Diane

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Oh i hope you nail this sicko!!! Who does he think he is? Best of

luck to you Diane!!

> > > > >Sheri,

> > > > >Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot has

my

> kids

> > > > >chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at his

> site:

> > > > >

> > > > >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

> > > > >

> > > > >We have an attorney in our family who says it may be

possible

> to

> > > do

> > > > >something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm

> sickened

> > > by

> > > > >this idiot.

> > > > >

> > > > >Diane

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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What a horrid violation! I am so sorry. Those pics should be off the web.

How did he get them?

H

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>From: " emerickfamily " <blakester97@...>

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: Ratbag

>Date: Tue, May 7, 2002, 9:59 PM

>

>I agree. He can feel free to write whatever the hell he wants

>to ,but using my kids pics crossed the line.

>

>Diane

>

>

>> > > >Sheri,

>> > > >Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot has my

>kids

>> > > >chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at his

>site:

>> > > >

>> > > >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

>> > > >

>> > > >We have an attorney in our family who says it may be possible

>to

>> > do

>> > > >something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm

>sickened

>> > by

>> > > >this idiot.

>> > > >

>> > > >Diane

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

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I think the theory is he retrieved them from this board's files which means

we have a " spy " in the camp. Maybe these photos are elsewhere on the web

and were retrived from there?

Laurie>Oh

> What a horrid violation! I am so sorry. Those pics should be off the web.

> How did he get them?

>

> H

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She posted them here for others to see what chix pox looked like in her

children

He had a spy here, which is why I removed nearly EVERYONE from this list a

few days ago and then am slowly adding back people hoping I don't add back

the spy.

But be careful what you post here. Don't use your real full name if you

are concerned.

Sheri

At 10:39 PM 05/07/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>I think the theory is he retrieved them from this board's files which means

>we have a " spy " in the camp. Maybe these photos are elsewhere on the web

>and were retrived from there?

>Laurie>Oh

>

>

>> What a horrid violation! I am so sorry. Those pics should be off the web.

>> How did he get them?

>>

>> H

>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

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I am seriously seriously behind on my mail but................those with

delicate ears, block them........

SUE HIS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D

Suzie

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I looked at it and this kind of crap infuriates me. His little question

about what's to stop a 4 yo from scratching a pustule under the eye. Well,

who's to say the child wouldn't have still contracted Cp with the vax and

gotten one right there? It's so one-sided! And I like to think that altho

I am TOTALLY against vaxxes I realize most of the people I know and love are

going to do this so I have compromised(and toned down my passion). I have

compromised by buying them Cave's book " What Your Doctor May Not

Tell You About Childhood Vaccinations " or something like that. So, since

they are going to vax, they can at least try to do it safer and with the

correct supplemantation. And I pray for the day when vaxxes are safer or

outlawed! Still, nothing beats natural immunity. And who knows? Maybe

realize they don't need all or any. Of course, I still send info from my

point of view. This is a compromise I can live with as I need friends. I

have considered only encouraging friendships with persons of the same life

style but I would be VERY lonely. So I do my best to be an example and try

to send any requested info. Not that anyone has tried anything I found as

alternatives. I'll keep on trying.

Anyhow, I also wanted to add that my last 2 went thru CP without any

suppression(except daddy's administrtion of tylenol for headache which

earned him a severe tongue-lashing from me). No calamine,benedryl,etc. I

rubbed them thru their clothes with my fingertips and gave extra

cuddling,Vit C,propolis. The 2 yo was worse on her scalp but the 4 yo would

have made an excellent CP poster child! Almost all sores are faded. They

barely ran a fever. A lady asked me today if I'd had them vaccinated and I

said we don't vaccinate...ever...for anything. She fears her sons vax won't

immune him to CP. I saod my sister;s son was vaxxed and got them. I hope

she took pics...maybe I'll load them under CP with vax!! and send THAT to

ratbags except I don't want my family on his disgusting site.

Laurie>Oh

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Thanks...we are checking out different avenues.

Diane

> > > > > >Sheri,

> > > > > >Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot

has

> my

> > kids

> > > > > >chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at

his

> > site:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

> > > > > >

> > > > > >We have an attorney in our family who says it may be

> possible

> > to

> > > > do

> > > > > >something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm

> > sickened

> > > > by

> > > > > >this idiot.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Diane

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Nope...they had to be from here. I don't have them posted at all on

my personal webpage.

Diane

> I think the theory is he retrieved them from this board's files

which means

> we have a " spy " in the camp. Maybe these photos are elsewhere on

the web

> and were retrived from there?

> Laurie>Oh

>

>

> > What a horrid violation! I am so sorry. Those pics should be off

the web.

> > How did he get them?

> >

> > H

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I'd LOVE to, but looks like it will be difficult being we are in two

different countries. I'm looking into a cyber attorney now.

Diane

> I am seriously seriously behind on my mail

but................those with delicate ears, block them........

> SUE HIS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D

>

> Suzie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Re: Ratbag

>

>

> I looked at it and this kind of crap infuriates me. His little

question

> about what's to stop a 4 yo from scratching a pustule under the

eye. Well,

> who's to say the child wouldn't have still contracted Cp with

the vax and

> gotten one right there? It's so one-sided! And I like to think

that altho

> I am TOTALLY against vaxxes I realize most of the people I know

and love are

> going to do this so I have compromised(and toned down my

passion). I have

> compromised by buying them Cave's book " What Your

Doctor May Not

> Tell You About Childhood Vaccinations " or something like that.

So, since

> they are going to vax, they can at least try to do it safer and

with the

> correct supplemantation. And I pray for the day when vaxxes are

safer or

> outlawed! Still, nothing beats natural immunity. And who

knows? Maybe

> realize they don't need all or any. Of course, I still send

info from my

> point of view. This is a compromise I can live with as I need

friends. I

> have considered only encouraging friendships with persons of the

same life

> style but I would be VERY lonely. So I do my best to be an

example and try

> to send any requested info. Not that anyone has tried anything

I found as

> alternatives. I'll keep on trying.

> Anyhow, I also wanted to add that my last 2 went thru CP without

any

> suppression(except daddy's administrtion of tylenol for headache

which

> earned him a severe tongue-lashing from me). No

calamine,benedryl,etc. I

> rubbed them thru their clothes with my fingertips and gave extra

> cuddling,Vit C,propolis. The 2 yo was worse on her scalp but

the 4 yo would

> have made an excellent CP poster child! Almost all sores are

faded. They

> barely ran a fever. A lady asked me today if I'd had them

vaccinated and I

> said we don't vaccinate...ever...for anything. She fears her

sons vax won't

> immune him to CP. I saod my sister;s son was vaxxed and got

them. I hope

> she took pics...maybe I'll load them under CP with vax!! and

send THAT to

> ratbags except I don't want my family on his disgusting site.

> Laurie>Oh

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yes, it's a shame about being in different countries. And the whole

idea of copyright is a very murky area at the best of times. As is

defamation - unless you have buckets of money. There was a case in

Australia, detailed in Maureen Hickman's book, where an out of court

settlement was reached in a similar sort of case. A photo of a woman

and her unvaxed child appeared in a newspaper under the heading

" Child abuse not to immunise " . I don't know if she was named in the

article or not.

BTW your email exchanges with ratters have been posted on the

HealthFraud mailing list. Your name and email address are not posted,

just your comments.

Comments from this list about the incident have not made it to the HF

list yet so I assume Sheri's purge got the 'spy'. For now.

> I'd LOVE to, but looks like it will be difficult being we are in

two

> different countries. I'm looking into a cyber attorney now.

>

> Diane

> >

> >

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Thanks for letting me know.

Diane

> > I'd LOVE to, but looks like it will be difficult being we are in

> two

> > different countries. I'm looking into a cyber attorney now.

> >

> > Diane

> > >

> > >

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How do I get to this list to view the comments? I personally never

wrote him...a friend did.

Diane

> BTW your email exchanges with ratters have been posted on the

> HealthFraud mailing list. Your name and email address are not

posted,

> just your comments.

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Well, I guess I missed alot of activity the past 2 weeks. I've been

reading about the 'ratbag' thread and don't know if this information

helps at all...probably not what you're looking for.

But I went to register.com and typed in www.ratbags.com and then

clicked on 'whois'...here is the link (crosses finger that it shows

up correctly)

http://www.register.com/whois-results.cgi?

4b75944a0befa18c75ec412e02e7c96d4d51f4b167daa3801bd93128e938880ceb6aea

6afbf334f1cf6cae9853cc9ac6

Anyhow it states the name, address and phone number of the

Administrative and technical contact...usually the owner of the

site. Although in this case...two different names are listed. If

I'm embarrassing myself by stating the obvious and not what you

want...just ignore me :-) I'm probably confused and your probably

looking for the spy and not the owner of the site, but thought just

in case the info helps...wanted to pass it along.

Good luck.

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> > > > > > >Sheri,

> > > > > > >Thank you for bringing to my attention that this idiot

> has

> > my

> > > kids

> > > > > > >chicken pox pictures and lists them under Child Abuse at

> his

> > > site:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >We have an attorney in our family who says it may be

> > possible

> > > to

> > > > > do

> > > > > > >something to him being the pictures are of minors. I'm

> > > sickened

> > > > > by

> > > > > > >this idiot.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Diane

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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ok I see my link didn't work directly, but it case whoever is

interested....couple ways to see.

I'll try another link here, but don't know (again) if this will work:

The WhoIs site to identify site owners:

http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois

just type in the name of site you wish to find the info about...ie.

ratbags.com and click go...it will show you contact information

(name, address, phone, email)

Another indirect way is to go to http://www.register.com type in the

website click and then click on the whois link.

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The list homepage:

http://www.quackwatch.com/00AboutQuackwatch/discuss.html

To subscribe to the digest form of the list just send an email to:

healthfraud-digest-subscribe@...

I've never tried to access the archives - they are not stored on a

public site. But I have kept the digest which included the reference

to you and can forward it if you like.

>

> > BTW your email exchanges with ratters have been posted on the

> > HealthFraud mailing list. Your name and email address are not

> posted,

> > just your comments.

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