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Ives <mives@...> wrote:

Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and Sandy's url like crazy whenever

vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm on. Each go round I've planted the

seed and at least one or two mothers email me privately for more info and I send

them over here, too. This last time I helped totally open a new momma's eyes,

she had no idea! Even her hubby is thinking about it, too, now.

Way to go !!!!!!

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I encourage you ALL to get out there on other list once you've been here

for awhile.

It will help you learn - if you don't know the answer you can go look it up

and give them a link off of one of our pages.

it is the best way to learn and also make a difference

Go find the different parent boards out there!

Thanks

sheri

At 07:32 AM 05/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:

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>

> Ives <mives@...> wrote:

>

>Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and Sandy's url like crazy

whenever vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm on. Each go round I've

planted the seed and at least one or two mothers email me privately for

more info and I send them over here, too. This last time I helped totally

open a new momma's eyes, she had no idea! Even her hubby is thinking about

it, too, now.

>

>

>

>

>Way to go !!!!!!

>

>

>

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I just saw this - you and Kathleen and anyone else out there

who is doing this, thanks!!!

Sandy from Alaska

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Re: (OT4VAX) bad experience

>>Try it and just look at the abuse as a rite of passage! Some will

actually

hear you or will hear it again at some point and you have planted the

seed.

But I know, Joanna, how horrible it is. Go take a shower!

Sheri<<

Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and Sandy's url like crazy

whenever vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm on. Each go round

I've planted the seed and at least one or two mothers email me privately

for more info and I send them over here, too. This last time I helped

totally open a new momma's eyes, she had no idea! Even her hubby is

thinking about it, too, now.

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Hi,

Can someone please tell me how and where I can find and get on to a parent

board.

Varian

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: I encourage you ALL to get

out there on other list once you've been here

for awhile.

It will help you learn - if you don't know the answer you can go look it up

and give them a link off of one of our pages.

it is the best way to learn and also make a difference

Go find the different parent boards out there!

Thanks

sheri

At 07:32 AM 05/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>

>

> Ives <mives@...> wrote:

>

>Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and Sandy's url like crazy

whenever vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm on. Each go round I've

planted the seed and at least one or two mothers email me privately for

more info and I send them over here, too. This last time I helped totally

open a new momma's eyes, she had no idea! Even her hubby is thinking about

it, too, now.

>

>

>

>

>Way to go !!!!!!

>

>

>

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hi varian,

i can't tell you any url's (the one joanna and i went

on this morning <uk time> was the pregnancy chat

which you can access directly from the site),

but my advice would be to do it with someone else! it

is so much easier if there is someone else on your

side! if we all went to educate the parent boards and

chat rooms in pairs, we'd get kinda maximum

reflection... one person might sound like a loony, but

if there are two people in a chat room (or board) at

the same time, then it doesn't quite sound as lunatic

anymore... and disregard any abuse, it's kinda normal

to get it for displaying a different point of view.

just think that you're sowing seeds, some will grow

others won't...

good luck!

claudia

--- Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

> Can someone please tell me how and where I can find

> and get on to a parent board.

> Varian

> Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: I

> encourage you ALL to get out there on other list

> once you've been here

> for awhile.

> It will help you learn - if you don't know the

> answer you can go look it up

> and give them a link off of one of our pages.

> it is the best way to learn and also make a

> difference

> Go find the different parent boards out there!

>

> Thanks

> sheri

>

> At 07:32 AM 05/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >

> >

> > Ives <mives@...> wrote:

> >

> >Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and

> Sandy's url like crazy

> whenever vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm

> on. Each go round I've

> planted the seed and at least one or two mothers

> email me privately for

> more info and I send them over here, too. This last

> time I helped totally

> open a new momma's eyes, she had no idea! Even her

> hubby is thinking about

> it, too, now.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Way to go !!!!!!

> >

> >

> >[Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Ah, that's where you were this morning! Agree good idea to go in pairs...

Sue

> Re: Re: (OT4VAX) bad experience

>

>

> hi varian,

> i can't tell you any url's (the one joanna and i went

> on this morning <uk time> was the pregnancy chat

> which you can access directly from the site),

> but my advice would be to do it with someone else! it

> is so much easier if there is someone else on your

> side! if we all went to educate the parent boards and

> chat rooms in pairs, we'd get kinda maximum

> reflection... one person might sound like a loony, but

> if there are two people in a chat room (or board) at

> the same time, then it doesn't quite sound as lunatic

> anymore... and disregard any abuse, it's kinda normal

> to get it for displaying a different point of view.

> just think that you're sowing seeds, some will grow

> others won't...

> good luck!

> claudia

>

> --- Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> > Can someone please tell me how and where I can find

> > and get on to a parent board.

> > Varian

> > Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: I

> > encourage you ALL to get out there on other list

> > once you've been here

> > for awhile.

> > It will help you learn - if you don't know the

> > answer you can go look it up

> > and give them a link off of one of our pages.

> > it is the best way to learn and also make a

> > difference

> > Go find the different parent boards out there!

> >

> > Thanks

> > sheri

> >

> > At 07:32 AM 05/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Ives <mives@...> wrote:

> > >

> > >Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and

> > Sandy's url like crazy

> > whenever vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm

> > on. Each go round I've

> > planted the seed and at least one or two mothers

> > email me privately for

> > more info and I send them over here, too. This last

> > time I helped totally

> > open a new momma's eyes, she had no idea! Even her

> > hubby is thinking about

> > it, too, now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Way to go !!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Thanks ,

I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in on my

own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a verbal

discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I need to be

sure I have at least some of the answers.

Anyway I am waiting to see what happens when you do the " cop thing " as Sheri

suggested and go in with Joanna!!! {Chuckle!!} Sorry, but it just sounded so

cute when Joanna posted that info.

Good Luck!! To both of you!!!

Varian

claudia <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: hi varian,

i can't tell you any url's (the one joanna and i went

on this morning <uk time> was the pregnancy chat

which you can access directly from the site),

but my advice would be to do it with someone else! it

is so much easier if there is someone else on your

side! if we all went to educate the parent boards and

chat rooms in pairs, we'd get kinda maximum

reflection... one person might sound like a loony, but

if there are two people in a chat room (or board) at

the same time, then it doesn't quite sound as lunatic

anymore... and disregard any abuse, it's kinda normal

to get it for displaying a different point of view.

just think that you're sowing seeds, some will grow

others won't...

good luck!

claudia

--- Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

> Can someone please tell me how and where I can find

> and get on to a parent board.

> Varian

> Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: I

> encourage you ALL to get out there on other list

> once you've been here

> for awhile.

> It will help you learn - if you don't know the

> answer you can go look it up

> and give them a link off of one of our pages.

> it is the best way to learn and also make a

> difference

> Go find the different parent boards out there!

>

> Thanks

> sheri

>

> At 07:32 AM 05/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >

> >

> > Ives <mives@...> wrote:

> >

> >Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and

> Sandy's url like crazy

> whenever vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm

> on. Each go round I've

> planted the seed and at least one or two mothers

> email me privately for

> more info and I send them over here, too. This last

> time I helped totally

> open a new momma's eyes, she had no idea! Even her

> hubby is thinking about

> it, too, now.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Way to go !!!!!!

> >

> >

> >[Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Also, I think the good guy/bad guy routine may be good, where one of you

converts the other, the others in the room that may be abusive can then see that

others are willing to be more open minded..

Joanna

Sue <angelmouse55@...> wrote: Ah, that's where you were this

morning! Agree good idea to go in pairs...

Sue

> Re: Re: (OT4VAX) bad experience

>

>

> hi varian,

> i can't tell you any url's (the one joanna and i went

> on this morning was the pregnancy chat

> which you can access directly from the site),

> but my advice would be to do it with someone else! it

> is so much easier if there is someone else on your

> side! if we all went to educate the parent boards and

> chat rooms in pairs, we'd get kinda maximum

> reflection... one person might sound like a loony, but

> if there are two people in a chat room (or board) at

> the same time, then it doesn't quite sound as lunatic

> anymore... and disregard any abuse, it's kinda normal

> to get it for displaying a different point of view.

> just think that you're sowing seeds, some will grow

> others won't...

> good luck!

> claudia

>

> --- Varian Gray wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> > Can someone please tell me how and where I can find

> > and get on to a parent board.

> > Varian

> > Sheri Nakken wrote: I

> > encourage you ALL to get out there on other list

> > once you've been here

> > for awhile.

> > It will help you learn - if you don't know the

> > answer you can go look it up

> > and give them a link off of one of our pages.

> > it is the best way to learn and also make a

> > difference

> > Go find the different parent boards out there!

> >

> > Thanks

> > sheri

> >

> > At 07:32 AM 05/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Ives wrote:

> > >

> > >Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and

> > Sandy's url like crazy

> > whenever vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm

> > on. Each go round I've

> > planted the seed and at least one or two mothers

> > email me privately for

> > more info and I send them over here, too. This last

> > time I helped totally

> > open a new momma's eyes, she had no idea! Even her

> > hubby is thinking about

> > it, too, now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Way to go !!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi Varian,

One way to do it is to go to the page and search the directory

for parenting groups. I moderate one which is for UK parents, but we're

already mostly converted!

www. and put " parenting " into the search box.

Mothering have got a parenting forum, as have UKParents if you're in the UK.

The BBC (in the UK) have got parenting fora too. Try a google search for

parenting websites

www.google.co.uk

HTH.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who

have not got it. " - Bernard Shaw

> Re: Re: (OT4VAX) bad experience

>

>

>

> Hi,

> Can someone please tell me how and where I can find and get on to

> a parent board.

> Varian

> Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: I encourage

> you ALL to get out there on other list once you've been here

> for awhile.

> It will help you learn - if you don't know the answer you can go

> look it up

> and give them a link off of one of our pages.

> it is the best way to learn and also make a difference

> Go find the different parent boards out there!

>

> Thanks

> sheri

>

> At 07:32 AM 05/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >

> >

> > Ives <mives@...> wrote:

> >

> >Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and Sandy's url like crazy

> whenever vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm on. Each go

> round I've

> planted the seed and at least one or two mothers email me privately for

> more info and I send them over here, too. This last time I helped totally

> open a new momma's eyes, she had no idea! Even her hubby is

> thinking about

> it, too, now.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Way to go !!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

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Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in on my

own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a verbal

discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I need to be

sure I have at least some of the answers.

Varian,

happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me know......make sure

you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

Joanna

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Hi Sue,

Thanks for the directions. I am not terribly 'internet' literate and tend to

botch things like you would not believe. So it is nice to be told what to do

before I do it.

Varian

Sue <angelmouse55@...> wrote: Hi Varian,

One way to do it is to go to the page and search the directory

for parenting groups. I moderate one which is for UK parents, but we're

already mostly converted!

www. and put " parenting " into the search box.

Mothering have got a parenting forum, as have UKParents if you're in the UK.

The BBC (in the UK) have got parenting fora too. Try a google search for

parenting websites

www.google.co.uk

HTH.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who

have not got it. " - Bernard Shaw

> Re: Re: (OT4VAX) bad experience

>

>

>

> Hi,

> Can someone please tell me how and where I can find and get on to

> a parent board.

> Varian

> Sheri Nakken wrote: I encourage

> you ALL to get out there on other list once you've been here

> for awhile.

> It will help you learn - if you don't know the answer you can go

> look it up

> and give them a link off of one of our pages.

> it is the best way to learn and also make a difference

> Go find the different parent boards out there!

>

> Thanks

> sheri

>

> At 07:32 AM 05/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >

> >

> > Ives wrote:

> >

> >Yes, Sheri, I've been giving our your url and Sandy's url like crazy

> whenever vax discussions come up on the AP list I'm on. Each go

> round I've

> planted the seed and at least one or two mothers email me privately for

> more info and I send them over here, too. This last time I helped totally

> open a new momma's eyes, she had no idea! Even her hubby is

> thinking about

> it, too, now.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Way to go !!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

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Thanks Joanna,

Sue has given me directions to find a site. I have no idea if you can just go in

and look at what everyone is saying or not. But I would love to have you with me

when I do go in to 'get involved'.

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in on my

own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a verbal

discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I need to be

sure I have at least some of the answers.

Varian,

happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me know......make sure

you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

Joanna

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malissadbc <chapins61198@...> wrote:

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However I really feel it is that they are scared of vaccines and they

have talked themselves into it with the " Dr says it's ok " routine--

Malissa

Malissa, this is why I want to find out how much doctors are taught about

vaccines and immunology..

Joanna

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You can go in and be a lurker, even get friendly. Hey! I'm pretty sure there

are a few lurkers here......, some of them even advertise themselves!!!!! LOL

Joanna

ay <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks Joanna,

Sue has given me directions to find a site. I have no idea if you can just go in

and look at what everyone is saying or not. But I would love to have you with me

when I do go in to 'get involved'.

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in on my

own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a verbal

discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I need to be

sure I have at least some of the answers.

Varian,

happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me know......make sure

you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

Joanna

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A " lurker " sounds awful!! I'll pass on being a lurker!! How does a " curious

coward " sound???

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

You can go in and be a lurker, even get friendly. Hey! I'm pretty sure there

are a few lurkers here......, some of them even advertise themselves!!!!! LOL

Joanna

ay <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks Joanna,

Sue has given me directions to find a site. I have no idea if you can just go in

and look at what everyone is saying or not. But I would love to have you with me

when I do go in to 'get involved'.

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in on my

own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a verbal

discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I need to be

sure I have at least some of the answers.

Varian,

happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me know......make sure

you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

Joanna

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Varian,

lol@ 'curious coward', though I don't think anyone with the courage to look

outside the b/s that is fed us about vaccines is a coward, hence it doesn't

apply to you!!! You'll have to think of another term. I agree, 'lurker' does

sound a bit dark. 'Interested bystander' maybe?

Joanna

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

A " lurker " sounds awful!! I'll pass on being a lurker!! How does a " curious

coward " sound???

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

You can go in and be a lurker, even get friendly. Hey! I'm pretty sure there

are a few lurkers here......, some of them even advertise themselves!!!!! LOL

Joanna

ay <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks Joanna,

Sue has given me directions to find a site. I have no idea if you can just go in

and look at what everyone is saying or not. But I would love to have you with me

when I do go in to 'get involved'.

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in on my

own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a verbal

discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I need to be

sure I have at least some of the answers.

Varian,

happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me know......make sure

you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

Joanna

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I don't know how it's going to be possible to weed out any lurker who may

want to either disrupt our forum, or pass on information they glean from us.

I mean, what's to say someone gives a completely bogus background on

themselves and uses it go get onto this website? How is Sheri supposed to

be able to weed that person out?

If someone who has contrary views with most of us on this website feels its

necessary to hack into our forum, could it be because they somehow feel

threatened, somehow, by the information on our site?

I hope Sheri can find out who this is, but I wonder if it's going to prevent

someone else from doing the same thing.

Kim

Re: Re: (OT4VAX) bad experience

>

> A " lurker " sounds awful!! I'll pass on being a lurker!! How does a

" curious coward " sound???

> Varian

> joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

> You can go in and be a lurker, even get friendly. Hey! I'm pretty sure

there are a few lurkers here......, some of them even advertise

themselves!!!!! LOL

> Joanna

>

> ay <edenhope23@...> wrote:

> Thanks Joanna,

> Sue has given me directions to find a site. I have no idea if you can just

go in and look at what everyone is saying or not. But I would love to have

you with me when I do go in to 'get involved'.

> Varian

> joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

>

> Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks ,

> I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in

on my own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a

verbal discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I

need to be sure I have at least some of the answers.

>

>

> Varian,

>

> happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me

know......make sure you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

>

> Joanna

>

>

>

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Hey!! Are we still talking about going onto one of the parenting sites here?????

Or did I lose a message somewhere and am butting in on someone else's

conversation.!

Varian

Ii Family <jeffii@...> wrote: I don't know how it's going to be

possible to weed out any lurker who may

want to either disrupt our forum, or pass on information they glean from us.

I mean, what's to say someone gives a completely bogus background on

themselves and uses it go get onto this website? How is Sheri supposed to

be able to weed that person out?

If someone who has contrary views with most of us on this website feels its

necessary to hack into our forum, could it be because they somehow feel

threatened, somehow, by the information on our site?

I hope Sheri can find out who this is, but I wonder if it's going to prevent

someone else from doing the same thing.

Kim

Re: Re: (OT4VAX) bad experience

>

> A " lurker " sounds awful!! I'll pass on being a lurker!! How does a

" curious coward " sound???

> Varian

> joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

> You can go in and be a lurker, even get friendly. Hey! I'm pretty sure

there are a few lurkers here......, some of them even advertise

themselves!!!!! LOL

> Joanna

>

> ay <edenhope23@...> wrote:

> Thanks Joanna,

> Sue has given me directions to find a site. I have no idea if you can just

go in and look at what everyone is saying or not. But I would love to have

you with me when I do go in to 'get involved'.

> Varian

> joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

>

> Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks ,

> I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in

on my own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a

verbal discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I

need to be sure I have at least some of the answers.

>

>

> Varian,

>

> happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me

know......make sure you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

>

> Joanna

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Hi Joanna,

Well here is the honest truth. I am totally internet illiterate. Everyone on

this site seems to know so much and I am just learning about how to use all the

links to find out more info. In addition I really hate being abused. If I am

sure about what I am talking about I can hold my own in any debate, but I just

hate abuse. Can't see a reason for it. And I really hated that creepy site I

visited recently, I don't even remember his name, but I know you made a

reference to an article on it.

I have still not got up the courage to visit a parenting group, the reason

being, despite the fact that Sue gave me instructions, I have no idea how to get

onto these sites so I have been hedging until I can work it out.

I know a lot of the B/S propaganda that is on the web because I have been onto a

lot of the gov. sites from around the world and with the way they use so-called

" scientific evidence " to strengthen their argument, you can't blame anyone who

wants to have a family wondering if they would be doing the wrong thing not

following their advice. That is why I would like to visit a parenting group,

just to see what they believe and why.

And 'interested bystander' may not be accurate either. Because I would really

like to give people a shake and say, " it doesn't matter what you believe, there

are two sides to every story, and you should at least listen to an opposing

point of view before you make a decision, you owe it to any child you bring into

this world " .

Well now you know, and I've just got all my frustration off my chest. So if you

would like to give me explicit instructions on how to get onto one of these

sites (and not consider me overly stupid) I would still like to check them out.

Also, how do two people get on the site together if they want to do Sheri's

" cop " thing?

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian,

lol@ 'curious coward', though I don't think anyone with the courage to look

outside the b/s that is fed us about vaccines is a coward, hence it doesn't

apply to you!!! You'll have to think of another term. I agree, 'lurker' does

sound a bit dark. 'Interested bystander' maybe?

Joanna

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

A " lurker " sounds awful!! I'll pass on being a lurker!! How does a " curious

coward " sound???

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

You can go in and be a lurker, even get friendly. Hey! I'm pretty sure there

are a few lurkers here......, some of them even advertise themselves!!!!! LOL

Joanna

ay <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks Joanna,

Sue has given me directions to find a site. I have no idea if you can just go in

and look at what everyone is saying or not. But I would love to have you with me

when I do go in to 'get involved'.

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in on my

own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a verbal

discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I need to be

sure I have at least some of the answers.

Varian,

happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me know......make sure

you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

Joanna

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Varian,

Still wandering around the internet lost most of the time myself. Scared the

hell out of me at first, both the internet and getting abused, but like most

things in life, time fixes things. I'm not exactly a wizz on finding these

parenting groups and could use a few tips from others???? Major hintage here

guys!!!....

As far as teeing up to go 'visiting' together, either contact by email to make a

time and place, one can give directions to the other, or get online in a chat

room and go 'surfign together'.. It's not much different to meeting up with a

friend to go visiting really...lol

Joanna

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Hi Joanna,

Well here is the honest truth. I am totally internet illiterate. Everyone on

this site seems to know so much and I am just learning about how to use all the

links to find out more info. In addition I really hate being abused. If I am

sure about what I am talking about I can hold my own in any debate, but I just

hate abuse. Can't see a reason for it. And I really hated that creepy site I

visited recently, I don't even remember his name, but I know you made a

reference to an article on it.

I have still not got up the courage to visit a parenting group, the reason

being, despite the fact that Sue gave me instructions, I have no idea how to get

onto these sites so I have been hedging until I can work it out.

I know a lot of the B/S propaganda that is on the web because I have been onto a

lot of the gov. sites from around the world and with the way they use so-called

" scientific evidence " to strengthen their argument, you can't blame anyone who

wants to have a family wondering if they would be doing the wrong thing not

following their advice. That is why I would like to visit a parenting group,

just to see what they believe and why.

And 'interested bystander' may not be accurate either. Because I would really

like to give people a shake and say, " it doesn't matter what you believe, there

are two sides to every story, and you should at least listen to an opposing

point of view before you make a decision, you owe it to any child you bring into

this world " .

Well now you know, and I've just got all my frustration off my chest. So if you

would like to give me explicit instructions on how to get onto one of these

sites (and not consider me overly stupid) I would still like to check them out.

Also, how do two people get on the site together if they want to do Sheri's

" cop " thing?

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian,

lol@ 'curious coward', though I don't think anyone with the courage to look

outside the b/s that is fed us about vaccines is a coward, hence it doesn't

apply to you!!! You'll have to think of another term. I agree, 'lurker' does

sound a bit dark. 'Interested bystander' maybe?

Joanna

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

A " lurker " sounds awful!! I'll pass on being a lurker!! How does a " curious

coward " sound???

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

You can go in and be a lurker, even get friendly. Hey! I'm pretty sure there

are a few lurkers here......, some of them even advertise themselves!!!!! LOL

Joanna

ay <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks Joanna,

Sue has given me directions to find a site. I have no idea if you can just go in

and look at what everyone is saying or not. But I would love to have you with me

when I do go in to 'get involved'.

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in on my

own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a verbal

discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I need to be

sure I have at least some of the answers.

Varian,

happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me know......make sure

you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

Joanna

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Hi Joanna,

Bit the bullet and went into (wrong place I found out). Clicked on

Vaccinations and got our group and almost died. My last message to you was there

as plain as day. Had no idea that what I wrote to the group would be on the net

for all the world to see. I guess I always thought that everyone just wrote to

each other and everything was private. So how naive am I?? Finally found Chat,

went through loading some Applet, then got message that said:

Please note as a new Chat user your preferences have been set to the strongest

settings word filter: strong

Ignore invitations to join a room, Ignore private messages from strangers. (Oh!

great)

Finally got on and it said Parenting 1. On the right side there were faces

against names and my name had a star against it. I think because I had not

entered the chat.They were talking about pregnancy, husbands, boyfriends,

colour, size of kids, ex-husbands. No one mentioned vaccinations or doctors. I

watched for around 15mins and dearly would love to have said " Sooooo! What does

everyone here think of child vaccination? " , but I did not know HOW to do that

and secondly " curious coward " was her own and with warning from and

Joanna, no way was I going to get in there. Going to practice on a Gardening or

Cooking Chat site (can't say the wrong thing there) and then we're on, if your

offer still stands.

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian,

Still wandering around the internet lost most of the time myself. Scared the

hell out of me at first, both the internet and getting abused, but like most

things in life, time fixes things. I'm not exactly a wizz on finding these

parenting groups and could use a few tips from others???? Major hintage here

guys!!!....

As far as teeing up to go 'visiting' together, either contact by email to make a

time and place, one can give directions to the other, or get online in a chat

room and go 'surfign together'.. It's not much different to meeting up with a

friend to go visiting really...lol

Joanna

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Hi Joanna,

Well here is the honest truth. I am totally internet illiterate. Everyone on

this site seems to know so much and I am just learning about how to use all the

links to find out more info. In addition I really hate being abused. If I am

sure about what I am talking about I can hold my own in any debate, but I just

hate abuse. Can't see a reason for it. And I really hated that creepy site I

visited recently, I don't even remember his name, but I know you made a

reference to an article on it.

I have still not got up the courage to visit a parenting group, the reason

being, despite the fact that Sue gave me instructions, I have no idea how to get

onto these sites so I have been hedging until I can work it out.

I know a lot of the B/S propaganda that is on the web because I have been onto a

lot of the gov. sites from around the world and with the way they use so-called

" scientific evidence " to strengthen their argument, you can't blame anyone who

wants to have a family wondering if they would be doing the wrong thing not

following their advice. That is why I would like to visit a parenting group,

just to see what they believe and why.

And 'interested bystander' may not be accurate either. Because I would really

like to give people a shake and say, " it doesn't matter what you believe, there

are two sides to every story, and you should at least listen to an opposing

point of view before you make a decision, you owe it to any child you bring into

this world " .

Well now you know, and I've just got all my frustration off my chest. So if you

would like to give me explicit instructions on how to get onto one of these

sites (and not consider me overly stupid) I would still like to check them out.

Also, how do two people get on the site together if they want to do Sheri's

" cop " thing?

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian,

lol@ 'curious coward', though I don't think anyone with the courage to look

outside the b/s that is fed us about vaccines is a coward, hence it doesn't

apply to you!!! You'll have to think of another term. I agree, 'lurker' does

sound a bit dark. 'Interested bystander' maybe?

Joanna

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

A " lurker " sounds awful!! I'll pass on being a lurker!! How does a " curious

coward " sound???

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

You can go in and be a lurker, even get friendly. Hey! I'm pretty sure there

are a few lurkers here......, some of them even advertise themselves!!!!! LOL

Joanna

ay <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks Joanna,

Sue has given me directions to find a site. I have no idea if you can just go in

and look at what everyone is saying or not. But I would love to have you with me

when I do go in to 'get involved'.

Varian

joanna <joanna_at_home@...> wrote:

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

I just want to go in for a " lookysee " . I'm too much of a coward to go in on my

own and I don't think I know enough yet to be able to get into a verbal

discussion with anyone and be abused at the same time. I think I need to be

sure I have at least some of the answers.

Varian,

happy to go 'out in the field' with you anytime, just let me know......make sure

you are wearing your 'thick skin', lol...

Joanna

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> Hi Joanna,

>Bit the bullet and went into (wrong place I found out).

Clicked on Vaccinations and got our group and almost died. My last message

to you was there as plain as day. Had no idea that what I wrote to the

group would be on the net for all the world to see. I guess I always

thought that everyone just wrote to each other and everything was private.

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Varian,

also has an ADD room, but they also just talk about their boyfriends etc.

Sad isn't it. I'll bet you that in the gardening and cooking rooms they talk

about their boyfriends too!!! LOL

Joanna

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Hi Joanna,

OK here I go again but what is an ADD room? Yes it is sad, our site is so busy

with so much info and they have no idea (or don't appear to have) about what is

going on around them. Guess that is not their fault entirely. Propaganda is

pretty strong.

Shall let you know how I do with the Gardening and Cooking if you tell me what

an ADD room is.

Varian

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Hi Varian,

Its the Attention Deficit Disorder room, where one would assume the topic would

come up occassionally.......

Joanna

Varian Gray <edenhope23@...> wrote:

Hi Joanna,

OK here I go again but what is an ADD room? Yes it is sad, our site is so busy

with so much info and they have no idea (or don't appear to have) about what is

going on around them. Guess that is not their fault entirely. Propaganda is

pretty strong.

Shall let you know how I do with the Gardening and Cooking if you tell me what

an ADD room is.

Varian

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