Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 << what would you suggest? >> Make sure he has enough thyroid hormone, use echinacea or astragalus 1 week per month, take inositol or its hexaphosphate, take ginseng or modest amounts of alpha adrenergic agents like sudafed, take MGN-3 or other natural product NK cell activity enhancers (MGN-3 is pretty dose sensitive so you have to use a lot and it is pricey, but it works really well). Combinations of the above are especially effective. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 << What is is MGN-3?>> The trade name of a natural product extract that works pretty well. <<On these things that you put below, have you any clue as to their mechanism of action in helping Natural Killer Cell activity? >> No. They are simply observed to do so in the lab at relevant concentrations and have the clinical effect you would expect in people. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 Andy, What is is MGN-3? On these things that you put below, have you any clue as to their mechanism of action in helping Natural Killer Cell activity? Thanks, At 8/20/2000 -040011:00 AM, you wrote: ><< what would you suggest? >> > >Make sure he has enough thyroid hormone, > >use echinacea or astragalus 1 week per month, > >take inositol or its hexaphosphate, > >take ginseng or modest amounts of alpha adrenergic agents like sudafed, > >take MGN-3 or other natural product NK cell activity enhancers (MGN-3 is >pretty dose sensitive so you have to use a lot and it is pricey, but it works >really well). > >Combinations of the above are especially effective. > >Andy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 Andy, At 8/20/2000 -040001:32 PM, you wrote: ><<On these things that you put below, have you any clue as to their mechanism >of action in helping Natural Killer Cell activity? >> > >No. They are simply observed to do so in the lab at relevant concentrations >and have the clinical effect you would expect in people. Ah! The old black box treatment! You put something in the black box at one end, and watch what pops out the other end, and hope that you can recognize what you need to be looking for. For better or for worse, I have the nasty habit of wanting to pop open that box and see what is happening inside! Thanks. >Andy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 << Ah! The old black box treatment! You put something in the black box at one end, and watch what pops out the other end, and hope that you can recognize what you need to be looking for. For better or for worse, I have the nasty habit of wanting to pop open that box and see what is happening inside! >> So do I, but I don't ignore the information if I don't have the key to the box handy. After all, observation is the basis of science that eventually lets us figure out where the key to the black box is and open it up for a good look inside. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 Andy, Well, yes, but only if people are willing to go back and revisit the issue. It seems that once something has become a standard treatment, the curiosity about how it works gets dim. For instance, I am trying desperately hard to find information on HOW chlorbutanol kills bacteria. So far, the information is not to be had, but I certainly hope SOMEONE studied it at some point, so they could figure if it could do the same thing to our cells... At 8/21/2000 -040012:38 AM, you wrote: ><< Ah! The old black box treatment! You put something in the black box at >one end, and watch what pops out the other end, and hope that you can >recognize what you need to be looking for. For better or for worse, I have >the nasty habit of wanting to pop open that box and see what is happening >inside! >> > >So do I, but I don't ignore the information if I don't have the key to the >box handy. After all, observation is the basis of science that eventually >lets us figure out where the key to the black box is and open it up for a >good look inside. > >Andy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 << For instance, I am trying desperately hard to find information on HOW chlorbutanol kills bacteria. So far, the information is not to be had, but I certainly hope SOMEONE studied it at some point, so they could figure if it could do the same thing to our cells... >> Sounds a lot like it is an alkylating agent to me, which means it kills everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 ><< For instance, I am trying desperately hard to find information > on HOW chlorbutanol kills bacteria. So far, the information is not > to be had, but I certainly hope SOMEONE studied it at some point, > so they could figure if it could do the same thing to our cells...>> > > Sounds a lot like it is an alkylating agent to me, which means it > kills everything. Check out these websites...... ToxLine abstracts database: http://www.medscape.com/misc/FormToxlineInfLive.html The NML Chemical Index : http://chem.sis.nlm.nih.gov/chemindex.html Environmental Health Information Service, Chemical Toxin Search Page: http://ehis.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/docs/chem_hs.html Toxics - ATSDR Database Search Engine: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/search ChemID« - Factsheet: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/factsheets/chemidfs.html The NLM Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, Factsheet: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/factsheets/rtecsfs.html Environmental Health Information Service, NTP Chemical Health & Safety Data: http://ntp-db.niehs.nih.gov/Main_pages/Chem-HS.HTML The Merck Index: http://www.merck.com MSDS Material Safety Data Sheets - Cornell University: http://MSDS.PDC.CORNELL.EDU/issearch/msdssrch.htm MSDS - Pesticides list: http://www.autorain.com/MSDS/MSD_Sheets1.htm Fact Sheets for a Range of Pesticides in the U.S.: http://ace.ace.orst.edu/info/extoxnet/ghindex.html NIOSH - National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/homepage.html 's - Toxics, Environment Related Sites: http://www.rachel.org/relatedSites/urlList.cfm?s=alpha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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