Re: Another CPS case turned vax issue

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i don't have a registration to babycenter and am too

busy to go thru all the registration process. pls tell

her that 1. her kid already has asthma, so his immune

system is already compromised. her homeopathic md

should, simply on this ground, provide her with a

medical exemption. 2. yes, go get the exemption form,

like, yesterday! 3. don't even start to get into any

arguments with any professionals, you're not gonna

win. simply state that you have decided not to have

him vaccinated. 4. printing out any docs that speak

against vaccination won't do any good as they are

always viewed as non-scientific, so forget it, cuz you

won't be able to convince them. 5. do not, under ANY

circumstances, sign any consent form for the vaccines.

if it really comes to that situation that they force

vaccines on him, make sure you point out that you will

happily sign provided they can give you IN WRITING

that the vaccines will post no threat to his health

nor will they result in any side-effects. and DO NOT

SIGN until they have given you this in writing. no

med. prof. will ever do that. if they make you sign

any form of consent for vaccination (ie. force you

with threats to have your child taken away), sign

together with the comment " signed under duress " 6.

seriously consider leaving your state and settle in

one that is less fascist in their medical views.

hth,

claudia

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> I have a little situation with child protective

> services that started earlier

> this week when my son caught a cold and was having

> trouble w/ his asthma. I

> first tried the breathing treatments at home but

> they weren't helping so he

> was hospitalized and given steroids, which did help.

> His dr. ordered

> breathing treatments every 3 hours. Well we had

> spent all day at the dr.

> office, then spent hours after being admitted to the

> hospital doing

> paperwork, tests, and medication. He was sick and

> sleep deprived and *very*

> cranky so I refused two nurse visits during the

> night when they wanted to do

> breathing treatments so he could sleep. I don't

> regret it, I think it was the

> right decision and after all I did stay up all night

> long to watch his oxygen

> monitor to make sure he was all right. So anyway CPS

> was called on me and I

> had a woman come talk to me the next day and then

> the following morning

> ds was released and the following morning after that

> I had to go to court

> regarding his placement, they let him stay with me

> but I have to have a nurse

> in my home 30 hours/week to make sure I give him his

> medication as long as he

> needs it (friday we had a checkup and he's perfectly

> fine now btw). I do not

> agree with western medicine philosophy in general

> but I am not against his

> breathing treatments.

> Well one woman at the court hearing had to go and

> bring up the subject of his

> lack of vaccinations. She wants them forced on him.

> I am in MI where (I

> believe) we have an exemption for personal reasons.

> I just need to go get the

> form from the health department. But will it do any

> good? I have a feeling

> that if they want to force vaccinations on him, they

> will, regardless of my

> rights. We have a court hearing at the end of May

> which may be dismissed but

> if not, I'm sure this woman will push the issue of

> vaccination. What should I

> do ? My court appointed attorney seems fairly

> useless. She's not very

> aggressive. She also seems to think ds still nursing

> at 2 1/2 is an issue.

> She asked me if I was trying to wean, I said no.

> How do I go about looking up the laws in my state ?

> Also would it help to

> print out documentation regarding vaccines to

> present to the court ? What do

> you think they would consider a reliable source ? We

> have also seen a

> homeopathic physician occasionally, I'm not sure if

> she would testify for me

> that she doesn't feel vaccines would benefit ds.

> Even so, they could get the

> testimony of ds's ped, who of course does reccommend

> vaccines. You know how

> the lifestyles of stereotypical business-type people

> generally don't fit in

> with the whole alternative health care/attachment

> parenting philosophy. I

> just don't know how to go about convincing them. At

> the court hearing it was

> pretty much all I could do to restrain myself from

> knocking that bitch's

> teeth out.... I am trying as hard as I possibly can

> to be cooperative and

> pleasant towards these people.... it's nearly

> killing me... but they have the

> power over my ds's life, and I'm only free to make

> choices as long as they

> want me to be.....

> Any advice at all would be appreciated

>

> Abby

>

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333.9215 Exemptions.

Sec. 9215. (1)

A child is exempt from the requirements of this part as to a specific

immunization for any period of time as to which a physician certifies that a

specific immunization is or may be detrimental to the child's health or is

not appropriate.

(2) A child is exempt from this part if a parent, guardian, or person in

loco parentis of the child presents a written statement to the administrator

of the child's school or operator of the group program to the effect that

the requirements of this part cannot be met because of religious convictions

or other objection to immunization.

Another CPS case turned vax issue

I have a little situation with child protective services that started

earlier

this week when my son caught a cold and was having trouble w/ his asthma.

I

first tried the breathing treatments at home but they weren't helping so

he

was hospitalized and given steroids, which did help. His dr. ordered

breathing treatments every 3 hours. Well we had spent all day at the dr.

office, then spent hours after being admitted to the hospital doing

paperwork, tests, and medication. He was sick and sleep deprived and

*very*

cranky so I refused two nurse visits during the night when they wanted to

do

breathing treatments so he could sleep. I don't regret it, I think it was

the

right decision and after all I did stay up all night long to watch his

oxygen

monitor to make sure he was all right. So anyway CPS was called on me and

I

had a woman come talk to me the next day and then the following morning

ds was released and the following morning after that I had to go to court

regarding his placement, they let him stay with me but I have to have a

nurse

in my home 30 hours/week to make sure I give him his medication as long as

he

needs it (friday we had a checkup and he's perfectly fine now btw). I do

not

agree with western medicine philosophy in general but I am not against his

breathing treatments.

Well one woman at the court hearing had to go and bring up the subject of

his

lack of vaccinations. She wants them forced on him. I am in MI where (I

believe) we have an exemption for personal reasons. I just need to go get

the

form from the health department. But will it do any good? I have a feeling

that if they want to force vaccinations on him, they will, regardless of

my

rights. We have a court hearing at the end of May which may be dismissed

but

if not, I'm sure this woman will push the issue of vaccination. What

should I

do ? My court appointed attorney seems fairly useless. She's not very

aggressive. She also seems to think ds still nursing at 2 1/2 is an issue.

She asked me if I was trying to wean, I said no.

How do I go about looking up the laws in my state ? Also would it help to

print out documentation regarding vaccines to present to the court ? What

do

you think they would consider a reliable source ? We have also seen a

homeopathic physician occasionally, I'm not sure if she would testify for

me

that she doesn't feel vaccines would benefit ds. Even so, they could get

the

testimony of ds's ped, who of course does reccommend vaccines. You know

how

the lifestyles of stereotypical business-type people generally don't fit

in

with the whole alternative health care/attachment parenting philosophy. I

just don't know how to go about convincing them. At the court hearing it

was

pretty much all I could do to restrain myself from knocking that bitch's

teeth out.... I am trying as hard as I possibly can to be cooperative and

pleasant towards these people.... it's nearly killing me... but they have

the

power over my ds's life, and I'm only free to make choices as long as they

want me to be.....

Any advice at all would be appreciated

Abby

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At 11:09 AM 03/31/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>i don't have a registration to babycenter and am too

>busy to go thru all the registration process. pls tell

>her that 1. her kid already has asthma, so his immune

>system is already compromised. her homeopathic md

>should, simply on this ground, provide her with a

>medical exemption.

I doubt if its a MD and she will not want to make herself visible over this

2. yes, go get the exemption form,

>like, yesterday!

Yes

3. don't even start to get into any

>arguments with any professionals, you're not gonna

>win. simply state that you have decided not to have

>him vaccinated. 4. printing out any docs that speak

>against vaccination won't do any good as they are

>always viewed as non-scientific, so forget it, cuz you

>won't be able to convince them.

Yup

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In a message dated 4/1/02 4:35:26 AM GTB Daylight Time, lucasjt@...

writes:

<< philosophical exemption forms that we should have on file or in our

possession for each state? I just have signed the philosophical spot

immunization forms for my kids' schools or daycares.

>>

I have an affidavit written out that was notarized a year or 2 ago.It lists

our names,dd's,and that we have claimed an exemption to vaccinations as

permited by state law,law numbers listed.I will have to do another once the

baby comes.

Sara

ps.thanks for the responsed.I posted them at bb for her.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/1/02 4:51:20 AM GTB Daylight Time, lucasjt@...

writes:

<< but that you object philosophically. I could see a religious or medical

one on file but isn't my word a philos. exemption in itself? >>

Well when it comes down to it we really should only need to discuss this

issue when it comes to daycare/school enrollment.I guess having an

affidavit(which is just a letter by you,no form or anything,that is

notarized) is just something you can show that yes you have done your

homework,know the law,and are not just some uneducated or lazy parent who

forgot to vax.

For me the letter is easier than telling them to look up the specific code,as

I always forget the actual numbers. I have yet to show it to anyone IRL

though

sara

[Guest guest]

2. yes, go get the exemption form,

>like, yesterday!

Yes

Boy do I feel like this is a dumb question since my oldest is five and I've been

on this list forever but are there philosophical exemption forms that we should

have on file or in our possession for each state? I just have signed the

philosophical spot immunization forms for my kids' schools or daycares.

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

[Guest guest]

In what situation would you ever need an affidavit? (and what exactly is one?)

Like if CPS was trying to take your children and they were at the door or if you

were at the ER and they were giving you crap? I just am having a hard time

picturing why you would need one when the law is you don't need any reason but

that you object philosophically. I could see a religious or medical one on file

but isn't my word a philos. exemption in itself?

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

Re: Another CPS case turned vax issue

In a message dated 4/1/02 4:35:26 AM GTB Daylight Time, lucasjt@...

writes:

<< philosophical exemption forms that we should have on file or in our

possession for each state? I just have signed the philosophical spot

immunization forms for my kids' schools or daycares.

>>

I have an affidavit written out that was notarized a year or 2 ago.It lists

our names,dd's,and that we have claimed an exemption to vaccinations as

permited by state law,law numbers listed.I will have to do another once the

baby comes.

Sara

ps.thanks for the responsed.I posted them at bb for her.

[Guest guest]

At 07:34 PM 03/31/2002 -0600, you wrote:

>2. yes, go get the exemption form,

>>like, yesterday!

>

>Yes

>

>Boy do I feel like this is a dumb question since my oldest is five and

I've been on this list forever but are there philosophical exemption forms

that we should have on file or in our possession for each state? I just

have signed the philosophical spot immunization forms for my kids' schools

or daycares.

>

> L.

>Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

I don't think you need them on file or in your possession necessarily - the

law is about school and school attendance and that is all that you should

need. But I suppose some think that if they are harrassed and they can

show there is an exemption for school, that that would help.

Exemption info access thru my website

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/exemptions.htm

Just type up a letter that is the exacct wording of the law and sign it and

have it with you

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

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