Re: toxicity reference limits

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<< Anyone have comments on their opinions on these indicators of toxicity>>

I'm not sure if these are clear and unique enough to be used in a statistical

" checklist " approach, but most likely can be used by an experienced

practitioner or thoughtful patient to get a good diagnosis. It seems likely

they are accurate reflections of mercury tox.

<<?? What others should be added to the list?? >>

See the " diagnostic checklist " in <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/noamalgam " >

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment</A>, or the preliminary one I

posted as a SCI post long ago. Add to them a few things like elevated plasma

cysteine, low RBC zinc and molybdenum, low plasma sulfate, etc.

Andy

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Dear Andy, Amy, and anyone else,

We just received results from Doctor's Data on the second day of the first

round of chelation with DMSA-SR/ALA. Please help me interpret what we are

seeing. The highest toxic metal was cadmium=2.0 (ref. 0-2) micrograms/g Cr.

The next highest is mercury at 2.4 micrograms/g creatinine (ref.=0-3).

Arsenic was 36 (ref. 0-100) and tin was 1.6 (ref. 0-6). Everything else was

very low or not present. My question is this: If we are seeing substantial

amounts of mercury coming out, even though it is within the reference range

of Doctor's Data, is this what we are looking for? I suspect another large

amount of mercury is coming out in the stool and any amount of mercury would

be considered abnormal. According to Amy, the goal would be to keep chelating

until the number for mercury reaches 0. Is it a surprise that the mercury

levels on this test are not in the elevated range delineated by Doctor's

Data? When we did the first chelation on DMSA, the urine sample had 4.9

micrograms of mercury per gram of Creatinine. Anyway, I plan to keep checking

about every month or so but any advise regarding these results as to whether

we are on the right track would be appreciated.

Ken Sokolski

[Guest guest]

Ken,

Most of my son's mercury on DMSA/ALA is coming out in stool. So,

I have decided to retest both stool and urine every 4 months or

so while on DMSA/ALA.

Amy

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Originally From: KKSOKOLSKI@...

Subject: Re: [ ] toxicity reference limits

Date: 08/26/2000 06:08pm

Dear Andy, Amy, and anyone else,

We just received results from Doctor's Data on the second day of the

first

round of chelation with DMSA-SR/ALA. Please help me interpret what we

are

seeing. The highest toxic metal was cadmium=2.0 (ref. 0-2)

micrograms/g Cr.

The next highest is mercury at 2.4 micrograms/g creatinine (ref.=0-3).

Arsenic was 36 (ref. 0-100) and tin was 1.6 (ref. 0-6). Everything

else was

very low or not present. My question is this: If we are seeing

substantial

amounts of mercury coming out, even though it is within the reference

range

of Doctor's Data, is this what we are looking for? I suspect another

large

amount of mercury is coming out in the stool and any amount of mercury

would

be considered abnormal. According to Amy, the goal would be to keep

chelating

until the number for mercury reaches 0. Is it a surprise that the

mercury

levels on this test are not in the elevated range delineated by

Doctor's

Data? When we did the first chelation on DMSA, the urine sample had

4.9

micrograms of mercury per gram of Creatinine. Anyway, I plan to keep

checking

about every month or so but any advise regarding these results as to

whether

we are on the right track would be appreciated.

Ken Sokolski

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How can you tell it's coming out mostly in the stool? I have noticed that Dean is not urinating nearly as much on the dmsa/ala as he was on the dmsa alone..and it also is very pale rather than dark and smelly. But, he is having more frequent bowel movements. Would that point to the same conclusion?

Maranie

Re: Re: [ ] toxicity reference limits

Ken,Most of my son's mercury on DMSA/ALA is coming out in stool. So,I have decided to retest both stool and urine every 4 months orso while on DMSA/ALA.Amy------------------ Reply Separator --------------------Originally From: KKSOKOLSKI@...Subject: Re: [ ] toxicity reference limitsDate: 08/26/2000 06:08pmDear Andy, Amy, and anyone else,We just received results from Doctor's Data on the second day of the first round of chelation with DMSA-SR/ALA. Please help me interpret what we are seeing. The highest toxic metal was cadmium=2.0 (ref. 0-2) micrograms/g Cr. The next highest is mercury at 2.4 micrograms/g creatinine (ref.=0-3). Arsenic was 36 (ref. 0-100) and tin was 1.6 (ref. 0-6). Everything else was very low or not present. My question is this: If we are seeing substantial amounts of mercury coming out, even though it is within the reference range of Doctor's Data, is this what we are looking for? I suspect another large amount of mercury is coming out in the stool and any amount of mercury would be considered abnormal. According to Amy, the goal would be to keep chelating until the number for mercury reaches 0. Is it a surprise that the mercury levels on this test are not in the elevated range delineated by Doctor's Data? When we did the first chelation on DMSA, the urine sample had 4.9 micrograms of mercury per gram of Creatinine. Anyway, I plan to keep checking about every month or so but any advise regarding these results as to whether we are on the right track would be appreciated.Ken Sokolski-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~>Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:>'>1/8014/9/_/705339/_/967327734/-------------------------------------------------------------------->

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When someone posts a question, which starts off with: " I know this is a

stupid question " , I always tell them " no question is every stupid " , so I'm

going to take my own advice here and ask how someone knows that most of the

mercury is coming out in the stool??? Thanks.

Amy Holmes wrote:

>

>

> Ken,

>

> Most of my son's mercury on DMSA/ALA is coming out in stool. So,

> I have decided to retest both stool and urine every 4 months or

> so while on DMSA/ALA.

>

> Amy

>

> ------------------ Reply Separator --------------------

> Originally From: KKSOKOLSKI@...

> Subject: Re: [ ] toxicity reference limits

> Date: 08/26/2000 06:08pm

>

> Dear Andy, Amy, and anyone else,

> We just received results from Doctor's Data on the second day of the

> first

> round of chelation with DMSA-SR/ALA. Please help me interpret what we

> are

> seeing. The highest toxic metal was cadmium=2.0 (ref. 0-2)

> micrograms/g Cr.

> The next highest is mercury at 2.4 micrograms/g creatinine (ref.=0-3).

> Arsenic was 36 (ref. 0-100) and tin was 1.6 (ref. 0-6). Everything

> else was

> very low or not present. My question is this: If we are seeing

> substantial

> amounts of mercury coming out, even though it is within the reference

> range

> of Doctor's Data, is this what we are looking for? I suspect another

> large

> amount of mercury is coming out in the stool and any amount of mercury

> would

> be considered abnormal. According to Amy, the goal would be to keep

> chelating

> until the number for mercury reaches 0. Is it a surprise that the

> mercury

> levels on this test are not in the elevated range delineated by

> Doctor's

> Data? When we did the first chelation on DMSA, the urine sample had

> 4.9

> micrograms of mercury per gram of Creatinine. Anyway, I plan to keep

> checking

> about every month or so but any advise regarding these results as to

> whether

> we are on the right track would be appreciated.

> Ken Sokolski

>

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I tested Fecal Elements from Doctor's Data twice. At the same times,

ran Urine Toxic Elements. Got some in urine, more in stool. Because

of the cost, I think it is a great idea to test a lot less frequently

than I was doing. In fact, I am taking my own advice, and not

retesting for 4 more months! When I do, it will be both tests.

Amy

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Originally From: " Maranie " <adams6@...>

Subject: Re: Re: [ ] toxicity reference limits

Date: 08/29/2000 10:31pm

How can you tell it's coming out mostly in the stool? I have noticed

that Dean is not urinating nearly as much on the dmsa/ala as he was

on the dmsa alone..and it also is very pale rather than dark and

smelly. But, he is having more frequent bowel movements. Would that

point to the same conclusion?

Maranie

Re: [ ] toxicity reference limits

Date: 08/26/2000 06:08pm

Dear Andy, Amy, and anyone else,

We just received results from Doctor's Data on the second day of the

first

round of chelation with DMSA-SR/ALA. Please help me interpret what we

are

seeing. The highest toxic metal was cadmium=2.0 (ref. 0-2)

micrograms/g Cr.

The next highest is mercury at 2.4 micrograms/g creatinine (ref.=0-3).

Arsenic was 36 (ref. 0-100) and tin was 1.6 (ref. 0-6). Everything

else was

very low or not present. My question is this: If we are seeing

substantial

amounts of mercury coming out, even though it is within the reference

range

of Doctor's Data, is this what we are looking for? I suspect another

large

amount of mercury is coming out in the stool and any amount of mercury

would

be considered abnormal. According to Amy, the goal would be to keep

chelating

until the number for mercury reaches 0. Is it a surprise that the

mercury

levels on this test are not in the elevated range delineated by

Doctor's

Data? When we did the first chelation on DMSA, the urine sample had

4.9

micrograms of mercury per gram of Creatinine. Anyway, I plan to keep

checking

about every month or so but any advise regarding these results as to

whether

we are on the right track would be appreciated.

Ken Sokolski

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Dear Amy and others,

We saw a large amount of mercury come out in the urine after DMSA/ALA so I am

guessing that if the stool were added in, a tremendous amount of mercury is

being dumped. My plan is to monitor the urine until we get back zero. Then I

will also do a stool test to see if anything is coming out there. I do not

look forward to doing stool tests unless I have to.

Ken Sokolski

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Ken,

I think this is a good plan. When you do your first stool, the

amount of arsenic coming out will shock you.

Amy

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Subject: Re: [ ] toxicity reference limits

Date: 08/30/2000 11:41pm

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Dear Amy and others,

We saw a large amount of mercury come out in the urine after DMSA/ALA

so I am

guessing that if the stool were added in, a tremendous amount of

mercury is

being dumped. My plan is to monitor the urine until we get back zero.

Then I

will also do a stool test to see if anything is coming out there. I do

not

look forward to doing stool tests unless I have to.

Ken Sokolski

[Guest guest]

Amy,

Thanks for the advice. I also notice that on the DMSA-SR/ALA the first day of

chelation is not too bad and subsequent days get worse as far as behavior. We

are on the third round of it now and it seems (with fingers crossed) that the

effects of detox are lessening compared to when we started. He is scheduled

to start IVIG in mid-October. By that time we will have completed 8 rounds of

DMSA-SR/ALA. I would have liked to delay it further but I'm afraid of losing

insurance coverage. The IVIG goes on for another six months anyway and by

that time by your formula, he should have had over 50% of the mercury

removed. He will get the IVIG three days after his DMSA-SR/ALA dose so I

don't think there will be any interaction. He is really trying to talk more.

I see some positive signs but I also think he needs more and I am hoping the

IVIG will be the extra he needs. Please let me know what you think. I am

hoping to meet you at the conference in San Diego. Talk to you soon.

Ken

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to add to my own message. Now that day 2 of this round is upon

us, my son is clearly much more miserable, irritable, and tired compared to

yesterday when he seemed fine. It looks like it takes about 24 hours for the

real detox to begin and another 24 hours after stopping chelation for it to

end. Based on this, I am switching to Friday, Saturday, Sunday chelation so

that he can get the most out of his education. He did sleep through the night

last night but is still tired today. His appetite was also greater yesterday.

I am not seeing the high volume of urine and stool we saw on rounds 1 and 2

of DMSA-SR/ALA. On the first round we measured a large amount of mercury and

cadmium in the urine. I am going to recheck what is coming out in one month,

about a week before starting IVIG. I definitely notice when we are chelating

a big increase in sound sensitivity and more problems following directions.

On the off days, his ability to understand and follow directions increases

and he is talking more. I have to tell you a funny story though which just

tells you what these kids are taking in when we may not realize it. This

morning we were in the hot tub near the pool and an older woman asked if she

could have the hot tub to herself to do exercises for five minutes. My son

was swimming in there and I thought it was going to be impossible to get him

out. Before I could even ask him to leave, he walked right out of the hot

tub, took my hand, pushed me into the main pool, then jumped in himself.

Almost exactly five minutes later after swimming around, he returned to the

hot tub as the woman was leaving. She said " thanks, " and he jumped back in.

He understood the whole situation but didn't say much of anything. Then, last

night he wanted my attention while I was on the computer. He sat on my lap,

grabbed the mouse and clicked on " START " on the bottom left. When the menu

came up he clicked on " SHUT DOWN " and then clicked " OK " so the computer shut

off. As soon as he did this, he dragged me away to the bed and made me tickle

him. Again, he didn't say much but he got his point across. I've never seen

him shut down the computer before and don't know who, if anyone, taught him

to do it. Just a couple examples of the kinds of things that are going on

around here. Oh, when he really wants something, he will use a couple of

words to get his point across. When I asked him yesterday whether he wanted a

shower or a bath he said, " Bath Daddy...bubbles me. " We have a lot of work to

do on language but the ability is there.

Ken

[Guest guest]

Ken,

what wonderful and inspiring stories! thank you,

Re: [ ] toxicity reference limits

>

> Just wanted to add to my own message. Now that day 2 of this round is upon

> us, my son is clearly much more miserable, irritable, and tired compared

to

> yesterday when he seemed fine. It looks like it takes about 24 hours for

the

> real detox to begin and another 24 hours after stopping chelation for it

to

> end. Based on this, I am switching to Friday, Saturday, Sunday chelation

so

> that he can get the most out of his education. He did sleep through the

night

> last night but is still tired today. His appetite was also greater

yesterday.

> I am not seeing the high volume of urine and stool we saw on rounds 1 and

2

> of DMSA-SR/ALA. On the first round we measured a large amount of mercury

and

> cadmium in the urine. I am going to recheck what is coming out in one

month,

> about a week before starting IVIG. I definitely notice when we are

chelating

> a big increase in sound sensitivity and more problems following

directions.

> On the off days, his ability to understand and follow directions increases

> and he is talking more. I have to tell you a funny story though which just

> tells you what these kids are taking in when we may not realize it. This

> morning we were in the hot tub near the pool and an older woman asked if

she

> could have the hot tub to herself to do exercises for five minutes. My son

> was swimming in there and I thought it was going to be impossible to get

him

> out. Before I could even ask him to leave, he walked right out of the hot

> tub, took my hand, pushed me into the main pool, then jumped in himself.

> Almost exactly five minutes later after swimming around, he returned to

the

> hot tub as the woman was leaving. She said " thanks, " and he jumped back

in.

> He understood the whole situation but didn't say much of anything. Then,

last

> night he wanted my attention while I was on the computer. He sat on my

lap,

> grabbed the mouse and clicked on " START " on the bottom left. When the menu

> came up he clicked on " SHUT DOWN " and then clicked " OK " so the computer

shut

> off. As soon as he did this, he dragged me away to the bed and made me

tickle

> him. Again, he didn't say much but he got his point across. I've never

seen

> him shut down the computer before and don't know who, if anyone, taught

him

> to do it. Just a couple examples of the kinds of things that are going on

> around here. Oh, when he really wants something, he will use a couple of

> words to get his point across. When I asked him yesterday whether he

wanted a

> shower or a bath he said, " Bath Daddy...bubbles me. " We have a lot of work

to

> do on language but the ability is there.

> Ken

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds good. With my kids, there were new skills were evident each

week. I understand that how fast our kids normalize depends on

several factors, including the age they got autism and when effective

intervention occurs. Also it takes some time for the kids to

learn " missed " developmental lessons, but they can go thru this

quickly, especially if they are getting speech and sensory

integration therapy. keep going. Sounds good. Beverly

> Just wanted to add to my own message. Now that day 2 of this round

is upon

> us, my son is clearly much more miserable, irritable, and tired

compared to

> yesterday when he seemed fine. It looks like it takes about 24

hours for the

> real detox to begin and another 24 hours after stopping chelation

for it to

> end. Based on this, I am switching to Friday, Saturday, Sunday

chelation so

> that he can get the most out of his education. He did sleep through

the night

> last night but is still tired today. His appetite was also greater

yesterday.

> I am not seeing the high volume of urine and stool we saw on rounds

1 and 2

> of DMSA-SR/ALA. On the first round we measured a large amount of

mercury and

> cadmium in the urine. I am going to recheck what is coming out in

one month,

> about a week before starting IVIG. I definitely notice when we are

chelating

> a big increase in sound sensitivity and more problems following

directions.

> On the off days, his ability to understand and follow directions

increases

> and he is talking more. I have to tell you a funny story though

which just

> tells you what these kids are taking in when we may not realize it.

This

> morning we were in the hot tub near the pool and an older woman

asked if she

> could have the hot tub to herself to do exercises for five minutes.

My son

> was swimming in there and I thought it was going to be impossible

to get him

> out. Before I could even ask him to leave, he walked right out of

the hot

> tub, took my hand, pushed me into the main pool, then jumped in

himself.

> Almost exactly five minutes later after swimming around, he

returned to the

> hot tub as the woman was leaving. She said " thanks, " and he jumped

back in.

> He understood the whole situation but didn't say much of anything.

Then, last

> night he wanted my attention while I was on the computer. He sat on

my lap,

> grabbed the mouse and clicked on " START " on the bottom left. When

the menu

> came up he clicked on " SHUT DOWN " and then clicked " OK " so the

computer shut

> off. As soon as he did this, he dragged me away to the bed and made

me tickle

> him. Again, he didn't say much but he got his point across. I've

never seen

> him shut down the computer before and don't know who, if anyone,

taught him

> to do it. Just a couple examples of the kinds of things that are

going on

> around here. Oh, when he really wants something, he will use a

couple of

> words to get his point across. When I asked him yesterday whether

he wanted a

> shower or a bath he said, " Bath Daddy...bubbles me. " We have a lot

of work to

> do on language but the ability is there.

> Ken

[Guest guest]

Thanks Beverly. Encouragement helps. is nine but we have been detoxing

him for several years. I know his body is resilient. He has had seizure-like

activity which has caused his abilities to go up and down. I know the wires

are there if we can just get the problem under control.

Ken

[Guest guest]

Could someone tell me what IVIG Is and what it does?? I'm still trying to

learn all I can. Thanks so much! Jill

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Ken,

I think you are right about IVIG. I think we are going to need it

at some time in our kids who have autoimmunity issues. The only

question is when?

Amy

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Amy,

Thanks for the advice. I also notice that on the DMSA-SR/ALA the first

day of

chelation is not too bad and subsequent days get worse as far as

behavior. We

are on the third round of it now and it seems (with fingers crossed)

that the

effects of detox are lessening compared to when we started. He is

scheduled

to start IVIG in mid-October. By that time we will have completed 8

rounds of

DMSA-SR/ALA. I would have liked to delay it further but I'm afraid of

losing

insurance coverage. The IVIG goes on for another six months anyway and

by

that time by your formula, he should have had over 50% of the mercury

removed. He will get the IVIG three days after his DMSA-SR/ALA dose so

I

don't think there will be any interaction. He is really trying to talk

more.

I see some positive signs but I also think he needs more and I am

hoping the

IVIG will be the extra he needs. Please let me know what you think. I

am

hoping to meet you at the conference in San Diego. Talk to you soon.

Ken

[Guest guest]

Amy,

I don't know when the optimal time would be. Unfortunately due to getting

insurance and Dr. Gupta to be willing to do it starting in Mid-October, I

cannot wait any longer than this so we will see what happens. It continues

over at least six months and by then we should have chelated most of the

mercury out. Dr. Gupta agreed to let us continue chelation while doing the

IVIG but I will be giving the DMSA/ALA-SR on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday and

doing IVIG on Wednesday. Also, we continue to give him homeopathic treatments

and I am going to begin a group of natural treatments for candida based on

information learned from a friend in northern California. I hope I have more

information on this at the conference. We are doing well but he is still

hyper and laughing a lot. I don't know if it's intoxication or just being so

happy that he is feeling so much better.

Talk to you soon.

Ken

[Guest guest]

Jill,

IVIG is intravenous gamma globulin. It has been effective in autoimmune

conditions and seizures, conditions which many autistic children have. It has

been effective in treating some autistic children by Dr. Bradstreet (Florida)

and Dr. Gupta (California). Recent studies suggest it is needed in high

dosages which earlier studies were not using.

Ken Sokolski

[Guest guest]

I think we detox our kids from metals, eliminate allergins, clean the

gut from yeast, upgrade the nutrition and retest the autoantibodies.

I have a theory that the brain autoimmunity problem may recover once

we settle down the hyper reactive immune system thru chelation and

other measures(custom treatment based on each childs cond. and test

results). I am reluctant to use IVIG as an early treatment. It is a

pooled blood product and there are alot of people who have gotten

serous viral infections from its use. Detox and restore health. We

may not even have to go there. Beverly

> Ken,

>

> I think you are right about IVIG. I think we are going to need it

> at some time in our kids who have autoimmunity issues. The only

> question is when?

>

> Amy

>

>

>

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> Amy,

> Thanks for the advice. I also notice that on the DMSA-SR/ALA the

first

> day of

> chelation is not too bad and subsequent days get worse as far as

> behavior. We

> are on the third round of it now and it seems (with fingers

crossed)

> that the

> effects of detox are lessening compared to when we started. He is

> scheduled

> to start IVIG in mid-October. By that time we will have completed 8

> rounds of

> DMSA-SR/ALA. I would have liked to delay it further but I'm afraid

of

> losing

> insurance coverage. The IVIG goes on for another six months anyway

and

> by

> that time by your formula, he should have had over 50% of the

mercury

> removed. He will get the IVIG three days after his DMSA-SR/ALA dose

so

> I

> don't think there will be any interaction. He is really trying to

talk

> more.

> I see some positive signs but I also think he needs more and I am

> hoping the

> IVIG will be the extra he needs. Please let me know what you think.

I

> am

> hoping to meet you at the conference in San Diego. Talk to you soon.

> Ken

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ken for the information. How did you learn about IVIG and where

could I get more information?

The only Dr. that I knew of that was treating the immune system was Dr.

Golberg with the protocol. Has anyone looked into that or had success

with it? It makes good sense to treat the immune system, I am just

confused. With all the different paths its hard to find a clearly marked

road to take with this. Maybe there isnt one that exsists

Should a person Chelate first or should they be treating the immune system?

Maybe a person should do both at once? I would appreciate any more advice

anyone might have. Thanks! Jill

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I was under the impression there were little risks with IVIG? Anyone have

studies showing otherwise? I am considering this in the future.

Elaine

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Ken

Could you join my interventions in autism list? This info would be

INVALUABLE!? We do whatever it takes to get our kids out of this mess.

PLEEEZ (you can go on digest too if you feel overwhelmed on this list?)

intervenonelist (or egroups)

Thanks

Kathy B

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>

>Amy,

>I don't know when the optimal time would be. Unfortunately due to getting

>insurance and Dr. Gupta to be willing to do it starting in Mid-October, I

>cannot wait any longer than this so we will see what happens. It continues

>over at least six months and by then we should have chelated most of the

>mercury out. Dr. Gupta agreed to let us continue chelation while doing the

>IVIG but I will be giving the DMSA/ALA-SR on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

and

>doing IVIG on Wednesday. Also, we continue to give him homeopathic

treatments

>and I am going to begin a group of natural treatments for candida based on

>information learned from a friend in northern California. I hope I have

more

>information on this at the conference. We are doing well but he is still

>hyper and laughing a lot. I don't know if it's intoxication or just being

so

>happy that he is feeling so much better.

>Talk to you soon.

>Ken

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. Blood product. My immunologist suggested to me that he had to

call most of all his patients who did IVIG in May becuaes they suspected

JACOB something disase (kind of like mad cow but the human form). Don't

know if I want to trade that for autism?

KAthy

Re: [ ] toxicity reference limits

>> Date: 09/03/2000 12:19pm

>>

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>> Amy,

>> Thanks for the advice. I also notice that on the DMSA-SR/ALA the

>first

>> day of

>> chelation is not too bad and subsequent days get worse as far as

>> behavior. We

>> are on the third round of it now and it seems (with fingers

>crossed)

>> that the

>> effects of detox are lessening compared to when we started. He is

>> scheduled

>> to start IVIG in mid-October. By that time we will have completed 8

>> rounds of

>> DMSA-SR/ALA. I would have liked to delay it further but I'm afraid

>of

>> losing

>> insurance coverage. The IVIG goes on for another six months anyway

>and

>> by

>> that time by your formula, he should have had over 50% of the

>mercury

>> removed. He will get the IVIG three days after his DMSA-SR/ALA dose

>so

>> I

>> don't think there will be any interaction. He is really trying to

>talk

>> more.

>> I see some positive signs but I also think he needs more and I am

>> hoping the

>> IVIG will be the extra he needs. Please let me know what you think.

>I

>> am

>> hoping to meet you at the conference in San Diego. Talk to you soon.

>> Ken

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

no disrespect Kathy but I joined your list on digest

and only got 10+ postings from YOU originally for

autism treatment, is there anyone else on your list ??

rgds

paul

--- Jim Blanco <kblanco@...> wrote:

> Ken

> Could you join my interventions in autism list?

> This info would be

> INVALUABLE!? We do whatever it takes to get our

> kids out of this mess.

> PLEEEZ (you can go on digest too if you feel

> overwhelmed on this list?)

> intervenonelist (or egroups)

> Thanks

> Kathy B

> Re: [ ] toxicity reference

> limits

>

>

> >

> >Amy,

> >I don't know when the optimal time would be.

> Unfortunately due to getting

> >insurance and Dr. Gupta to be willing to do it

> starting in Mid-October, I

> >cannot wait any longer than this so we will see

> what happens. It continues

> >over at least six months and by then we should have

> chelated most of the

> >mercury out. Dr. Gupta agreed to let us continue

> chelation while doing the

> >IVIG but I will be giving the DMSA/ALA-SR on

> Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

> and

> >doing IVIG on Wednesday. Also, we continue to give

> him homeopathic

> treatments

> >and I am going to begin a group of natural

> treatments for candida based on

> >information learned from a friend in northern

> California. I hope I have

> more

> >information on this at the conference. We are doing

> well but he is still

> >hyper and laughing a lot. I don't know if it's

> intoxication or just being

> so

> >happy that he is feeling so much better.

> >Talk to you soon.

> >Ken

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think you have to work on both, in my opinion ? What may take the

mercury out, could also drain you of vital minerals and vitamins....I would

think before would be a good idea, get their livers to detox properly, then

do the chelation, then go back on the immune system and refurbishing their

stores?

Kathy

Re: [ ] toxicity reference limits

>

>Thanks Ken for the information. How did you learn about IVIG and where

>could I get more information?

>

>The only Dr. that I knew of that was treating the immune system was Dr.

>Golberg with the protocol. Has anyone looked into that or had success

>with it? It makes good sense to treat the immune system, I am just

>confused. With all the different paths its hard to find a clearly marked

>road to take with this. Maybe there isnt one that exsists

>

>Should a person Chelate first or should they be treating the immune system?

>Maybe a person should do both at once? I would appreciate any more advice

>anyone might have. Thanks! Jill

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[Guest guest]

Yes, loads more....it is more on this issue

of late becuase it is all new

Kathy

Re: [ ] toxicity reference

>> limits

>>

>>

>> >

>> >Amy,

>> >I don't know when the optimal time would be.

>> Unfortunately due to getting

>> >insurance and Dr. Gupta to be willing to do it

>> starting in Mid-October, I

>> >cannot wait any longer than this so we will see

>> what happens. It continues

>> >over at least six months and by then we should have

>> chelated most of the

>> >mercury out. Dr. Gupta agreed to let us continue

>> chelation while doing the

>> >IVIG but I will be giving the DMSA/ALA-SR on

>> Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

>> and

>> >doing IVIG on Wednesday. Also, we continue to give

>> him homeopathic

>> treatments

>> >and I am going to begin a group of natural

>> treatments for candida based on

>> >information learned from a friend in northern

>> California. I hope I have

>> more

>> >information on this at the conference. We are doing

>> well but he is still

>> >hyper and laughing a lot. I don't know if it's

>> intoxication or just being

>> so

>> >happy that he is feeling so much better.

>> >Talk to you soon.

>> >Ken

>> >

>> >