Re: Hep B Vaccination and MS

[Guest guest]

Hi Carlena,

Just because some people develop MS from the Hep B vaccine does not mean

that it is the ONLY cause of MS. To my mind, vaccines causes or contributes

to the cause of 90% or more of Autism cases, but it does not cause all of

them. The two are not mutually exclusive. And Hep B is just ONE of the

vaccines that has been linked with MS. Like all autoimmune conditions,

vaccines can cause the changes to the immune system that can push

susceptible people over the edge into disease.

Take care,

Meryl

Re: Hep B Vaccination and MS

How can it be connected? I know 5 people that have MS

and they have never had the Hep B vaccine? Two of

them were kids in my elementray school. I was 7 yrs

old when they died.

[Guest guest]

How can it be connected? I know 5 people that have MS

and they have never had the Hep B vaccine? Two of

them were kids in my elementray school. I was 7 yrs

old when they died.

Carlena

--- meryl@... wrote:

> Have any of you wonderful French language speakers

> out there gotten a copy

> of these articles and, if so, would you be able to

> send a short abstract or

> synopsis of what they say? Why is it that the French

> have been able to make

> this connection for about 4 or 5 years now but no

> other country has?

>

>

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>

> Gastroenterol Clin Biol 2001

> Oct;25(10):927-928 Related Articles,

> Books, LinkOut

>

>

> [Hepatitis B vaccination and the risk of multiple

> sclerosis: case-control

> studies]

>

> [Article in French]

>

> Ascherio A, Zhang S, Hernan M, Olek M, Coplan P,

> Brodovicz K.

>

> PMID: 11852406 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

> ****************************************

>

> Gastroenterol Clin Biol 2001 Oct;25(10):859-62

> Related Articles,

> Books, LinkOut

>

>

> [Hepatitis B vaccination and serious side-effects:

> sequence is not

> consequence]

>

> [Article in French]

>

> Cales P.

>

> Service d'Hepato-Gastroenterologie, CHU, Angers.

>

> PMID: 11852385 [PubMed - in process]

>

> Meryl W. Dorey,

>

> President

>

> The Australian Vaccination Network, Inc.

>

> PO Box 177 02 6687

> 1699 Phone

>

> Bangalow NSW 2479 02 6687 2032 FAX

>

> meryl@...

> http://www.avn.org.au

>

> " All truth goes through three stages. First it is

> ridiculed. Then it is

> violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as

> self-evident. " (Schopenhauer)

>

>

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> ______

>

> Any information obtained here is not to be construed

> as medical OR legal

> advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you

> implement that decision is

> yours and yours alone.

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

the two ladies that I am thinking of, have never had

vaccines. Their parents never beleived in it.

--- jnoelsagacious <jnoelsagacious@...> wrote:

> Just because you or someone you know personally have

> never had the

> Hep B vax and they have MS doesn't mean that another

> vaccine didn't

> cause the problem.

>

> Remember, there is also inherited vaccine damage.

> It goes to the

> weakest genetic link.

>

> Jackie Noel

> www.sagaciousairedales.com

> www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That I can understand, but I just hope people don't

think vaccines are the cause for everything horrible.

I know that there is damage that they have done, but I

honestly don't think everything we suffer is from

vaccines.

--- meryl@... wrote:

> Hi Carlena,

>

> Just because some people develop MS from the Hep B

> vaccine does not mean

> that it is the ONLY cause of MS. To my mind,

> vaccines causes or contributes

> to the cause of 90% or more of Autism cases, but it

> does not cause all of

> them. The two are not mutually exclusive. And Hep B

> is just ONE of the

> vaccines that has been linked with MS. Like all

> autoimmune conditions,

> vaccines can cause the changes to the immune system

> that can push

> susceptible people over the edge into disease.

>

> Take care,

> Meryl

>

> Re: Hep B Vaccination and MS

>

>

> How can it be connected? I know 5 people that have

> MS

> and they have never had the Hep B vaccine? Two of

> them were kids in my elementray school. I was 7 yrs

> old when they died.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

No, it was at a time when vaccines were just coming

out. And it was an option to have it done back like

in the 40's or something and my neighbors parent's

didn't believe in them...to suspectious they said and

never had them done. So they had five generations wih

no vaccines. She said her grandsons are the first to

have vaccines in their family.

--- jnoelsagacious <jnoelsagacious@...> wrote:

> Carlena,

>

> But, did the parents or the grandparents have any

> vaccinations?

>

> Did they have some other type of meds that could

> have been the

> trigger?

>

> Jackie Noel

> www.sagaciousairedales.com

> www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I know that...but it was both sides that were not

ever.

--- jnoelsagacious <jnoelsagacious@...> wrote:

> Carlena,

>

> Good for them.

>

> But, there is a trigger to the genetic weakness. MS

> is auto-immune.

>

> Also of the other parent was vaxed, that goes to

> inherited weakness.

> It takes both sets of parents being non-vaccinated.

>

>

> Jackie Noel

> www.sagaciousairedales.com

> www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheri - great to have this international network, eh?

Take care,

Meryl

-----Original Message-----

From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@...]

Sent: February,23 Saturday 2002 11:41 PM

I've forwarded this to Sylvie Simon in France - she is our great advocate

there - a writer and doing all she can.

ssimon@...

Sheri

>Have any of you wonderful French language speakers out there gotten a copy

>of these articles and, if so, would you be able to send a short abstract or

>synopsis of what they say? Why is it that the French have been able to make

>this connection for about 4 or 5 years now but no other country has?

>

[Guest guest]

I've forwarded this to Sylvie Simon in France - she is our great advocate

there - a writer and doing all she can.

ssimon@...

Sheri

>Have any of you wonderful French language speakers out there gotten a copy

>of these articles and, if so, would you be able to send a short abstract or

>synopsis of what they say? Why is it that the French have been able to make

>this connection for about 4 or 5 years now but no other country has?

>

>**********************************************************

>

> Gastroenterol Clin Biol 2001 Oct;25(10):927-928 Related Articles,

>Books, LinkOut

>

>

>[Hepatitis B vaccination and the risk of multiple sclerosis: case-control

>studies]

>

>[Article in French]

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[Guest guest]

At 04:53 AM 02/22/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>How can it be connected? I know 5 people that have MS

>and they have never had the Hep B vaccine? Two of

>them were kids in my elementray school. I was 7 yrs

>old when they died.

>

>Carlena

No one saying all MS is from Hep B vax, but many cases nowadays are! We

have many testimonials. The french are winning lawsuites proving it.

Other MS can be from other vaccines or a variety of other toxic things

And I'm confused - children at 7 yeras old with MS - you must be thinking

of something else. Children don't get MS.

and wouldn't die at 7.

Sheri

>--- meryl@... wrote:

>> Have any of you wonderful French language speakers

>> out there gotten a copy

>> of these articles and, if so, would you be able to

>> send a short abstract or

>> synopsis of what they say? Why is it that the French

>> have been able to make

>> this connection for about 4 or 5 years now but no

>> other country has?

>>

>>

>**********************************************************

>>

>> Gastroenterol Clin Biol 2001

>> Oct;25(10):927-928 Related Articles,

>> Books, LinkOut

>>

>>

>> [Hepatitis B vaccination and the risk of multiple

>> sclerosis: case-control

>> studies]

>>

>> [Article in French]

>>

>> Ascherio A, Zhang S, Hernan M, Olek M, Coplan P,

>> Brodovicz K.

>>

>> PMID: 11852406 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

>> ****************************************

>>

>> Gastroenterol Clin Biol 2001 Oct;25(10):859-62

>> Related Articles,

>> Books, LinkOut

>>

>>

>> [Hepatitis B vaccination and serious side-effects:

>> sequence is not

>> consequence]

>>

>> [Article in French]

>>

>> Cales P.

>>

>> Service d'Hepato-Gastroenterologie, CHU, Angers.

>>

>> PMID: 11852385 [PubMed - in process]

>>

>> Meryl W. Dorey,

>>

>> President

>>

>> The Australian Vaccination Network, Inc.

>>

>> PO Box 177 02 6687

>> 1699 Phone

>>

>> Bangalow NSW 2479 02 6687 2032 FAX

>>

>> meryl@...

>> http://www.avn.org.au

>>

>> " All truth goes through three stages. First it is

>> ridiculed. Then it is

>> violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as

>> self-evident. " (Schopenhauer)

>>

>>

>____________________________________________________________________________

>> ______

>>

>> Any information obtained here is not to be construed

>> as medical OR legal

>> advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you

>> implement that decision is

>> yours and yours alone.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>> removed]

>>

>>

>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Do you have any informative articles on the direct connection of MS and vaxines.

I've read some on polio and vax's lowering the immune system but nothing that

directly discusses it. I would appreciate any links.

Margie