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You know, I really really wonder about the accuracy of those numbers.  I swear

sometimes I think they are just trying to scare the shit out of us but hey- for

all I know, maybe they're not.  I have no idea.  I always think that there's

more to things than meets the eyes.  Hmmm.

Randall

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From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:08 PM

Subject: yep, the epidemic lives on.

 

this is from the new York times:

There is progress, but not enough to keep up with the epidemic.

1.8 million people died from AIDS in 2010! Fewer than half of those needing

treatment are getting it (and this does not count those with HIV that don't even

know they have it -- they should be on treatment as well.) There were 2.7

Million new infections last year alone. HIV is still infecting people faster

than they can be tested and treated.

*** This is the full editorial article:

The latest report from the United Nations agency in charge of the global fight

against AIDS reveals substantial success by some measures and stagnation by

others. The challenge, in tough times, that must be met is to find enough

resources to capitalize on scientific breakthroughs and keep the campaign moving

forward.

The number of people dying from AIDS around the world declined for the third

year in a row, falling to 1.8 million in 2010 from a peak of 2.2 million. An

arsenal of drugs means that AIDS is no longer an automatic death sentence. And

thanks to an infusion of funds from the United States and other donors - and

hard bargaining with drug makers to bring their prices down - the number of

people being treated has soared to 6.6 million of the 14.2 million people sick

enough to need the drugs.

An equally important measure - the ability to prevent new infections - has

stagnated after substantial improvement in earlier years. Annual new infections

with the virus that causes AIDS have fallen by roughly 20 percent from the peak

in 1997 but have hit a plateau in recent years. About 2.7 million people became

newly infected last year. That was twice the number of people brought into

treatment for the first time.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton recently laid out an ambitious goal to

achieve an " AIDS-free generation. " In her vision, virtually no children would be

infected by transmission from their mothers - a goal within reach. And teenagers

and adults would either be protected from infection by proven prevention

programs, such as condoms and male circumcision, or promptly treated after

infection to prevent them from becoming ill or passing the virus on to others.

New research has shown that treating infected people with drugs can reduce the

risk that they will pass on the virus by 96 percent.

Such prevention and treatment strategies are the only way to get ahead of the

epidemic. But the global economic downturn led to a collective decline in donor

assistance last year - to $7.6 billion in 2010 from $8.7 billion in 2009 - well

short of the $24 billion thought needed by 2015. The major international fund

will stop making new grants until 2014.

Washington has led the effort to combat AIDS and will need to lead the search

for additional donor contributions, greater financing by AIDS-afflicted nations

that can afford it, and more cost-effective approaches to prevention and

treatment. This is no time to lose ground against a scourge that, while no

longer always fatal, is still infecting people faster than they can be tested

and treated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/opinion/still-fighting-against-aids.html?nl=to\

daysheadlines & emc=tha211

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I'm sure they won't say how many of the deaths were caused by the " side

effects " of the drugs that supposedly help hiv patients but actually cause

aids by destroying the immune system.

On Nov 28, 2011 8:49 PM, " Nonyo Biznazz " <nonyobiznazz@...> wrote:

> You know, I really really wonder about the accuracy of those numbers. I

> swear sometimes I think they are just trying to scare the shit out of us

> but hey- for all I know, maybe they're not. I have no idea. I always

> think that there's more to things than meets the eyes. Hmmm.

>

>

> Randall

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

> cures for AIDS

> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:08 PM

> Subject: yep, the epidemic lives on.

>

>

>

> this is from the new York times:

>

> There is progress, but not enough to keep up with the epidemic.

>

> 1.8 million people died from AIDS in 2010! Fewer than half of those

> needing treatment are getting it (and this does not count those with HIV

> that don't even know they have it -- they should be on treatment as well.)

> There were 2.7 Million new infections last year alone. HIV is still

> infecting people faster than they can be tested and treated.

>

> *** This is the full editorial article:

>

> The latest report from the United Nations agency in charge of the global

> fight against AIDS reveals substantial success by some measures and

> stagnation by others. The challenge, in tough times, that must be met is to

> find enough resources to capitalize on scientific breakthroughs and keep

> the campaign moving forward.

>

> The number of people dying from AIDS around the world declined for the

> third year in a row, falling to 1.8 million in 2010 from a peak of 2.2

> million. An arsenal of drugs means that AIDS is no longer an automatic

> death sentence. And thanks to an infusion of funds from the United States

> and other donors - and hard bargaining with drug makers to bring their

> prices down - the number of people being treated has soared to 6.6 million

> of the 14.2 million people sick enough to need the drugs.

>

> An equally important measure - the ability to prevent new infections - has

> stagnated after substantial improvement in earlier years. Annual new

> infections with the virus that causes AIDS have fallen by roughly 20

> percent from the peak in 1997 but have hit a plateau in recent years. About

> 2.7 million people became newly infected last year. That was twice the

> number of people brought into treatment for the first time.

>

> Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton recently laid out an ambitious

> goal to achieve an " AIDS-free generation. " In her vision, virtually no

> children would be infected by transmission from their mothers - a goal

> within reach. And teenagers and adults would either be protected from

> infection by proven prevention programs, such as condoms and male

> circumcision, or promptly treated after infection to prevent them from

> becoming ill or passing the virus on to others. New research has shown that

> treating infected people with drugs can reduce the risk that they will pass

> on the virus by 96 percent.

>

> Such prevention and treatment strategies are the only way to get ahead of

> the epidemic. But the global economic downturn led to a collective decline

> in donor assistance last year - to $7.6 billion in 2010 from $8.7 billion

> in 2009 - well short of the $24 billion thought needed by 2015. The major

> international fund will stop making new grants until 2014.

>

> Washington has led the effort to combat AIDS and will need to lead the

> search for additional donor contributions, greater financing by

> AIDS-afflicted nations that can afford it, and more cost-effective

> approaches to prevention and treatment. This is no time to lose ground

> against a scourge that, while no longer always fatal, is still infecting

> people faster than they can be tested and treated.

>

>

>

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/opinion/still-fighting-against-aids.html?nl=to\

daysheadlines & emc=tha211

>

>

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That's a great point .  That's a main reason why I think those numbers

are more than likely way off.

Magic was on Piers tonite.  20 years HIV positive and he did

give credit to taking meds and taking them right away.  He looks great, he

really does.

Randall

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From: daniel martin <danielnv.martin@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:22 PM

Subject: Re: yep, the epidemic lives on.

 

I'm sure they won't say how many of the deaths were caused by the " side

effects " of the drugs that supposedly help hiv patients but actually cause

aids by destroying the immune system.

On Nov 28, 2011 8:49 PM, " Nonyo Biznazz " <nonyobiznazz@...> wrote:

> You know, I really really wonder about the accuracy of those numbers. I

> swear sometimes I think they are just trying to scare the shit out of us

> but hey- for all I know, maybe they're not. I have no idea. I always

> think that there's more to things than meets the eyes. Hmmm.

>

>

> Randall

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

> cures for AIDS

> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:08 PM

> Subject: yep, the epidemic lives on.

>

>

>

> this is from the new York times:

>

> There is progress, but not enough to keep up with the epidemic.

>

> 1.8 million people died from AIDS in 2010! Fewer than half of those

> needing treatment are getting it (and this does not count those with HIV

> that don't even know they have it -- they should be on treatment as well.)

> There were 2.7 Million new infections last year alone. HIV is still

> infecting people faster than they can be tested and treated.

>

> *** This is the full editorial article:

>

> The latest report from the United Nations agency in charge of the global

> fight against AIDS reveals substantial success by some measures and

> stagnation by others. The challenge, in tough times, that must be met is to

> find enough resources to capitalize on scientific breakthroughs and keep

> the campaign moving forward.

>

> The number of people dying from AIDS around the world declined for the

> third year in a row, falling to 1.8 million in 2010 from a peak of 2.2

> million. An arsenal of drugs means that AIDS is no longer an automatic

> death sentence. And thanks to an infusion of funds from the United States

> and other donors - and hard bargaining with drug makers to bring their

> prices down - the number of people being treated has soared to 6.6 million

> of the 14.2 million people sick enough to need the drugs.

>

> An equally important measure - the ability to prevent new infections - has

> stagnated after substantial improvement in earlier years. Annual new

> infections with the virus that causes AIDS have fallen by roughly 20

> percent from the peak in 1997 but have hit a plateau in recent years. About

> 2.7 million people became newly infected last year. That was twice the

> number of people brought into treatment for the first time.

>

> Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton recently laid out an ambitious

> goal to achieve an " AIDS-free generation. " In her vision, virtually no

> children would be infected by transmission from their mothers - a goal

> within reach. And teenagers and adults would either be protected from

> infection by proven prevention programs, such as condoms and male

> circumcision, or promptly treated after infection to prevent them from

> becoming ill or passing the virus on to others. New research has shown that

> treating infected people with drugs can reduce the risk that they will pass

> on the virus by 96 percent.

>

> Such prevention and treatment strategies are the only way to get ahead of

> the epidemic. But the global economic downturn led to a collective decline

> in donor assistance last year - to $7.6 billion in 2010 from $8.7 billion

> in 2009 - well short of the $24 billion thought needed by 2015. The major

> international fund will stop making new grants until 2014.

>

> Washington has led the effort to combat AIDS and will need to lead the

> search for additional donor contributions, greater financing by

> AIDS-afflicted nations that can afford it, and more cost-effective

> approaches to prevention and treatment. This is no time to lose ground

> against a scourge that, while no longer always fatal, is still infecting

> people faster than they can be tested and treated.

>

>

>

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/opinion/still-fighting-against-aids.html?nl=to\

daysheadlines & emc=tha211

>

>

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not to worry Dan,

just keep taking nothing. they are getting very close to a cure which will be

available in my life time. oh but, you probably won't take the cure either

because you don't believe any of it. I guess you will just always have no hope

at all. I pity you.

yep, the epidemic lives on.

>

>

>

> this is from the new York times:

>

> There is progress, but not enough to keep up with the epidemic.

>

> 1.8 million people died from AIDS in 2010! Fewer than half of those

> needing treatment are getting it (and this does not count those with HIV

> that don't even know they have it -- they should be on treatment as well.)

> There were 2.7 Million new infections last year alone. HIV is still

> infecting people faster than they can be tested and treated.

>

> *** This is the full editorial article:

>

> The latest report from the United Nations agency in charge of the global

> fight against AIDS reveals substantial success by some measures and

> stagnation by others. The challenge, in tough times, that must be met is to

> find enough resources to capitalize on scientific breakthroughs and keep

> the campaign moving forward.

>

> The number of people dying from AIDS around the world declined for the

> third year in a row, falling to 1.8 million in 2010 from a peak of 2.2

> million. An arsenal of drugs means that AIDS is no longer an automatic

> death sentence. And thanks to an infusion of funds from the United States

> and other donors - and hard bargaining with drug makers to bring their

> prices down - the number of people being treated has soared to 6.6 million

> of the 14.2 million people sick enough to need the drugs.

>

> An equally important measure - the ability to prevent new infections - has

> stagnated after substantial improvement in earlier years. Annual new

> infections with the virus that causes AIDS have fallen by roughly 20

> percent from the peak in 1997 but have hit a plateau in recent years. About

> 2.7 million people became newly infected last year. That was twice the

> number of people brought into treatment for the first time.

>

> Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton recently laid out an ambitious

> goal to achieve an " AIDS-free generation. " In her vision, virtually no

> children would be infected by transmission from their mothers - a goal

> within reach. And teenagers and adults would either be protected from

> infection by proven prevention programs, such as condoms and male

> circumcision, or promptly treated after infection to prevent them from

> becoming ill or passing the virus on to others. New research has shown that

> treating infected people with drugs can reduce the risk that they will pass

> on the virus by 96 percent.

>

> Such prevention and treatment strategies are the only way to get ahead of

> the epidemic. But the global economic downturn led to a collective decline

> in donor assistance last year - to $7.6 billion in 2010 from $8.7 billion

> in 2009 - well short of the $24 billion thought needed by 2015. The major

> international fund will stop making new grants until 2014.

>

> Washington has led the effort to combat AIDS and will need to lead the

> search for additional donor contributions, greater financing by

> AIDS-afflicted nations that can afford it, and more cost-effective

> approaches to prevention and treatment. This is no time to lose ground

> against a scourge that, while no longer always fatal, is still infecting

> people faster than they can be tested and treated.

>

>

>

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/opinion/still-fighting-against-aids.html?nl=to\

daysheadlines & emc=tha211

>

>

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No hope? What are u talking about? You pity me because I think for myself?

On Nov 29, 2011 2:41 AM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> not to worry Dan,

> just keep taking nothing. they are getting very close to a cure which will

> be available in my life time. oh but, you probably won't take the cure

> either because you don't believe any of it. I guess you will just always

> have no hope at all. I pity you.

>

> yep, the epidemic lives on.

> >

> >

> >

> > this is from the new York times:

> >

> > There is progress, but not enough to keep up with the epidemic.

> >

> > 1.8 million people died from AIDS in 2010! Fewer than half of those

> > needing treatment are getting it (and this does not count those with HIV

> > that don't even know they have it -- they should be on treatment as

> well.)

> > There were 2.7 Million new infections last year alone. HIV is still

> > infecting people faster than they can be tested and treated.

> >

> > *** This is the full editorial article:

> >

> > The latest report from the United Nations agency in charge of the global

> > fight against AIDS reveals substantial success by some measures and

> > stagnation by others. The challenge, in tough times, that must be met

> is to

> > find enough resources to capitalize on scientific breakthroughs and keep

> > the campaign moving forward.

> >

> > The number of people dying from AIDS around the world declined for the

> > third year in a row, falling to 1.8 million in 2010 from a peak of 2.2

> > million. An arsenal of drugs means that AIDS is no longer an automatic

> > death sentence. And thanks to an infusion of funds from the United

> States

> > and other donors - and hard bargaining with drug makers to bring their

> > prices down - the number of people being treated has soared to 6.6

> million

> > of the 14.2 million people sick enough to need the drugs.

> >

> > An equally important measure - the ability to prevent new infections -

> has

> > stagnated after substantial improvement in earlier years. Annual new

> > infections with the virus that causes AIDS have fallen by roughly 20

> > percent from the peak in 1997 but have hit a plateau in recent years.

> About

> > 2.7 million people became newly infected last year. That was twice the

> > number of people brought into treatment for the first time.

> >

> > Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton recently laid out an ambitious

> > goal to achieve an " AIDS-free generation. " In her vision, virtually no

> > children would be infected by transmission from their mothers - a goal

> > within reach. And teenagers and adults would either be protected from

> > infection by proven prevention programs, such as condoms and male

> > circumcision, or promptly treated after infection to prevent them from

> > becoming ill or passing the virus on to others. New research has shown

> that

> > treating infected people with drugs can reduce the risk that they will

> pass

> > on the virus by 96 percent.

> >

> > Such prevention and treatment strategies are the only way to get ahead

> of

> > the epidemic. But the global economic downturn led to a collective

> decline

> > in donor assistance last year - to $7.6 billion in 2010 from $8.7

> billion

> > in 2009 - well short of the $24 billion thought needed by 2015. The

> major

> > international fund will stop making new grants until 2014.

> >

> > Washington has led the effort to combat AIDS and will need to lead the

> > search for additional donor contributions, greater financing by

> > AIDS-afflicted nations that can afford it, and more cost-effective

> > approaches to prevention and treatment. This is no time to lose ground

> > against a scourge that, while no longer always fatal, is still infecting

> > people faster than they can be tested and treated.

> >

> >

> >

>

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/opinion/still-fighting-against-aids.html?nl=to\

daysheadlines & emc=tha211

> >

> >

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yep, the epidemic lives on.

> >

> >

> >

> > this is from the new York times:

> >

> > There is progress, but not enough to keep up with the epidemic.

> >

> > 1.8 million people died from AIDS in 2010! Fewer than half of those

> > needing treatment are getting it (and this does not count those with HIV

> > that don't even know they have it -- they should be on treatment as

> well.)

> > There were 2.7 Million new infections last year alone. HIV is still

> > infecting people faster than they can be tested and treated.

> >

> > *** This is the full editorial article:

> >

> > The latest report from the United Nations agency in charge of the global

> > fight against AIDS reveals substantial success by some measures and

> > stagnation by others. The challenge, in tough times, that must be met

> is to

> > find enough resources to capitalize on scientific breakthroughs and keep

> > the campaign moving forward.

> >

> > The number of people dying from AIDS around the world declined for the

> > third year in a row, falling to 1.8 million in 2010 from a peak of 2.2

> > million. An arsenal of drugs means that AIDS is no longer an automatic

> > death sentence. And thanks to an infusion of funds from the United

> States

> > and other donors - and hard bargaining with drug makers to bring their

> > prices down - the number of people being treated has soared to 6.6

> million

> > of the 14.2 million people sick enough to need the drugs.

> >

> > An equally important measure - the ability to prevent new infections -

> has

> > stagnated after substantial improvement in earlier years. Annual new

> > infections with the virus that causes AIDS have fallen by roughly 20

> > percent from the peak in 1997 but have hit a plateau in recent years.

> About

> > 2.7 million people became newly infected last year. That was twice the

> > number of people brought into treatment for the first time.

> >

> > Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton recently laid out an ambitious

> > goal to achieve an " AIDS-free generation. " In her vision, virtually no

> > children would be infected by transmission from their mothers - a goal

> > within reach. And teenagers and adults would either be protected from

> > infection by proven prevention programs, such as condoms and male

> > circumcision, or promptly treated after infection to prevent them from

> > becoming ill or passing the virus on to others. New research has shown

> that

> > treating infected people with drugs can reduce the risk that they will

> pass

> > on the virus by 96 percent.

> >

> > Such prevention and treatment strategies are the only way to get ahead

> of

> > the epidemic. But the global economic downturn led to a collective

> decline

> > in donor assistance last year - to $7.6 billion in 2010 from $8.7

> billion

> > in 2009 - well short of the $24 billion thought needed by 2015. The

> major

> > international fund will stop making new grants until 2014.

> >

> > Washington has led the effort to combat AIDS and will need to lead the

> > search for additional donor contributions, greater financing by

> > AIDS-afflicted nations that can afford it, and more cost-effective

> > approaches to prevention and treatment. This is no time to lose ground

> > against a scourge that, while no longer always fatal, is still infecting

> > people faster than they can be tested and treated.

> >

> >

> >

>

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/opinion/still-fighting-against-aids.html?nl=to\

daysheadlines & emc=tha211

> >

> >

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