Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 huie@... writes: >Hi everyone. > >We are having a tough time right now with and the truth, and >blaming her sister for everything. For an example, tonight I walked in >her room, she was sitting in her chair on one side of her bed, was >on the floor on the other side of the bed. Her mattress was pushed half >way off the bed, from the side was sitting on toward 's side. > was sitting with her feet propped up on the box springs, and I saw >her push it a little further off as I was walking in the room. I asked >her to stop it, had her help me pull the mattress back on, and then >talked to her about not doing it. She immediately started in on saying > " I didn't do it, did it " , which of course had in tears >shortly. Even when I told I saw her do it, she said no and >continued to blame it on . > >This is becoming so frequent. I have been talking to her about truth and >lies, using different examples, but obviously I am not getting anywhere. >Do any of y'all have some ideas to help us out? > >Thanks! >Sharon >Mom to (10, DS) and (6) Hi! Keep it black and white. Don't argue with her don't try to explain to her the error of her ways. Reward her when she tells the truth. Have a reasonable consequence when she lies (loss of a tv show, dessert...) Take care, Kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 I would be really interested in this also. I see the start of this in 9 only he tewlls me the dog did it. Sometimes it is his brother who is 13 so does not cause too much of a problem yet. I have tried to explain lying to him but he does not seem to understand. Pam --- Sharon <huie@...> wrote: > Hi everyone. > > We are having a tough time right now with and > the truth, and blaming her sister for everything. > For an example, tonight I walked in her room, she > was sitting in her chair on one side of her bed, > was on the floor on the other side of the bed. > Her mattress was pushed half way off the bed, from > the side was sitting on toward 's side. > was sitting with her feet propped up on the > box springs, and I saw her push it a little further > off as I was walking in the room. I asked her to > stop it, had her help me pull the mattress back on, > and then talked to her about not doing it. She > immediately started in on saying " I didn't do it, > did it " , which of course had in tears > shortly. Even when I told I saw her do it, > she said no and continued to blame it on . > > This is becoming so frequent. I have been talking > to her about truth and lies, using different > examples, but obviously I am not getting anywhere. > Do any of y'all have some ideas to help us out? > > Thanks! > Sharon > Mom to (10, DS) and (6) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 >and of those 100,000 + Iraqis you mention that have been killed, they are predominately fighting, resisting men, mainly insurgents, seeking to maintain the Sadamm Hussein regime -- they do not want freedom for Iraqis!.....< That is just not true. Thousands of innocent men, women and children have been killed and as many maimed. I would like to post a question to you. If another country with a different philosophy from ours started bombing the US to force us to submit to their way of thinking and living, and if you saw many innocent civilians die, some in your own family, would you think that was alright? What I mean is if another country did the same thing here as we are doing in Iraq wouldn't your husband and other American men fight the intruders? They would then be considered the insurgents. Carlson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 > I would like to post a question to you. If another country with a different philosophy from ours started bombing the US to force us to >submit to their way of thinking and living, and if you saw many innocent civilians die, some in your own family, would you >think that was alright? What I mean is if another country did the same thing here as we are doing in Iraq wouldn't your >husband and other American men fight the intruders? They would then be considered the insurgents. , can't you see that this has been done -- deliberately on Sept. 11, '01? Our men are not responding by targeting the innocent. They are targetting insurgents who are resisting the formation of a government which provides freedom to the people -- freedom to continue to be muslim (no one is forcing Chrisitianity upon them) , freedom to live by their own convictions -- FREEDOM. Carolyn Re: The truth > > >and of those 100,000 > + Iraqis you mention that have been killed, they are predominately fighting, > resisting men, mainly insurgents, seeking to maintain the Sadamm Hussein > regime -- they do not want freedom for Iraqis!.....< > > That is just not true. Thousands of innocent men, women and children have been killed and as many maimed. I would like to post a question to you. If another country with a different philosophy from ours started bombing the US to force us to submit to their way of thinking and living, and if you saw many innocent civilians die, some in your own family, would you think that was alright? What I mean is if another country did the same thing here as we are doing in Iraq wouldn't your husband and other American men fight the intruders? They would then be considered the insurgents. > > Carlson > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 At 08:09 AM 11/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >> I would like to post a question to you. If another country with a >different philosophy from ours started bombing the US to force us to >>submit to their way of thinking and living, and if you saw many innocent >civilians die, some in your own family, would you >think that was alright? >What I mean is if another country did the same thing here as we are doing in >Iraq wouldn't your >husband and other American men fight the intruders? >They would then be considered the insurgents. > > > >, can't you see that this has been done -- deliberately on Sept. 11, >'01? > >Our men are not responding by targeting the innocent. They are targetting >insurgents who are resisting the formation of a government which provides >freedom to the people -- freedom to continue to be muslim (no one is forcing >Chrisitianity upon them) , freedom to live by their own convictions -- >FREEDOM. > > >Carolyn > > Carolyn How deluded can you be? Freedom........you still have NOT answered my question Again, I haven't had you put yourself in their place.......... Imagine, that someone decides that Bush is a threat to the world (now there's a concept!) and that he should be gotten rid of. Let's say it is Spain who decides this. So the Spanish invade the US and they come to your town - Anytown USA - and you have freedom fighters there. Everyone who can is trying to defend their town. They didn't vote for Bush, they are from a Blue County ;-) They had no control, more than the rest of us, as to Bush and his neocons and all the dems and everyone. Your in your little town. You are fighting for your life - all of you. You are fighting for your family, your neighborhood, your town, your county, your state and your country. You are doing all you can as you are fighting for your freedom from an invader and an agressor. And in Spain they are labeling you all insurgents, fighting to maintain the regime. Just think about it. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I have responded, Sheri. I'll try again and break it down into the two most important points you make. >Imagine, that someone decides that Bush is a threat to the world (now >there's a concept!) Someone has and furthermore they believe not only that Bush is, but that ALL of America is a threat. That someone is: Militant Muslim Terrorists -- yes, none from Iraq (..... and I have always said that after Afghanistan our next efforts should have been made toward Saudi Arabia which produced most of the 19 men who hijacked the planes. But perhaps we didn't go there because Saudi officials condemmned the attack and claimed they were inacted by fringe fanatical muslims similar to our McVeigh types), but the reason, Sheri, Iraq was determined to be a formidable player in the Terrorism factor is because of Sadamm Hussein's continual provocative moves demonstrating resistance to the UN restrictions placed upon him -- which he had agreed to upon surrender-- at the end of the Persian Gulf War, 1990, and because he was using all of the " Oil for Food " to his own benefit rather than the benefit of his people and , finally, because there was intelligence that he was amassing WMDs for eventual available use by terrorists against the US. For a long time there was a belief that this intelligence was faulty and Bush had to take the heat over it most of the last 2 years, but recently, late October it was confirmed by Kerry's campaign, in fact??????, that there had been found thousands of pounds of explosives which had been denied to exist by Sadamm Hussein during our investigative period .... I could go on, but won't belabor this point. I think it sufficiently answers your first statement. So the Spanish invade the US and they come to your > town - Anytown USA - and you have freedom fighters there. Everyone who can > is trying to defend their town. They didn't vote for Bush, they are from a > Blue County ;-)......You are fighting for your family, your > neighborhood, your town, your county, your state and your country. You are > doing all you can as you are fighting for your freedom .... Sheri, if Spain came to invade America because they believed Bush was preventing us from living a life of liberty and, therefore, wanted to provide a way for us to resume that freedom we all so desperately desire ---- Hey, I would be the first to jump on board with Spain. I would not be fighting AGAINST their effort. We have NOT invaded Iraq for aggressive reasons, we have INTERVENED for humanitarian reasons: First, to protect the US against potential future retaliation from Sadamm or other terrorists who would have access to his WMDs , and, Secondly, to provide freedom to the Iraqi people, themselves, who have been oppressed by Sadamm. IMO, you have it all twisted. But you are certainly intitled to your beliefs, and I thank you for allowing me to express mine. Sincerely, Carolyn Re: Re: The truth > > At 08:09 AM 11/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > >> I would like to post a question to you. If another country with a > >different philosophy from ours started bombing the US to force us to > >>submit to their way of thinking and living, and if you saw many innocent > >civilians die, some in your own family, would you >think that was alright? > >What I mean is if another country did the same thing here as we are doing in > >Iraq wouldn't your >husband and other American men fight the intruders? > >They would then be considered the insurgents. > > > > > > > >, can't you see that this has been done -- deliberately on Sept. 11, > >'01? > > > >Our men are not responding by targeting the innocent. They are targetting > >insurgents who are resisting the formation of a government which provides > >freedom to the people -- freedom to continue to be muslim (no one is forcing > >Chrisitianity upon them) , freedom to live by their own convictions -- > >FREEDOM. > > > > > >Carolyn > > > > > Carolyn > How deluded can you be? > > Freedom........you still have NOT answered my question > > Again, I haven't had you put yourself in their place.......... > Imagine, that someone decides that Bush is a threat to the world (now > there's a concept!) and that he should be gotten rid of. Let's say it is > Spain who decides this. So the Spanish invade the US and they come to your > town - Anytown USA - and you have freedom fighters there. Everyone who can > is trying to defend their town. They didn't vote for Bush, they are from a > Blue County ;-) > They had no control, more than the rest of us, as to Bush and his neocons > and all the dems and everyone. Your in your little town. You are fighting > for your life - all of you. You are fighting for your family, your > neighborhood, your town, your county, your state and your country. You are > doing all you can as you are fighting for your freedom from an invader and > an agressor. And in Spain they are labeling you all insurgents, fighting > to maintain the regime. Just think about it. > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > > ****** > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. > Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy > knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information > and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Sorry to continue the of topic posts but.................. >but the reason, Sheri, Iraq >was determined to be a formidable player in the Terrorism factor is because >of Sadamm Hussein's continual provocative moves demonstrating resistance to >the UN restrictions placed upon him -- which he had agreed to upon >surrender-- at the end of the Persian Gulf War, 1990, So do you think it was fair that the UN sanctions enforced by mostly the US and UK had gone on for over ten years, dont you think Saddam might have been a little pissed off at having parts of his country 'given' to the Kurds etc and then have them protected by the US. I know he may have started it all with the first gulf war but its about the first world grew up and learned to live with countries that arent the democratic ideal that we seem to foist upon everyone. Sure, he may have been brutal but then the US helped install him into power in the first place along with many of the 20 century's worst dictators, and gave him most of the weapons he used in the first gulf war. Maybe the US is trying trying cover up past mistakes, like they did with Panama and Noriega. >We have NOT invaded Iraq for aggressive reasons, we have INTERVENED for >humanitarian reasons: First, to protect the US against potential future >retaliation from Sadamm or other terrorists who would have access to his >WMDs , Intervened for humanitarian reasons my foot, why arent you going in guns blazing in Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia etc, they are suffering huge humanitarian problems now, oh thats right, those ones dont have any oil to make it worthwhile. Thats right, if Iraq wasnt full of oil, you sure as hell wouldnt be there right now. Alright then, so its OK to attack first if you believe they have WMD, fair enough. Guess that means pretty much any country in the world is a fair target for the US to attack now. I mean, if you can justify attacking Iraq based on some pretty shoddy intelligence, anyone can do a cut and paste and change Iraq to whatever. While your at it attack yourselves again, the US has the worlds largest arsenal of nuclear and chemical weapons, how about you guys get rid of them too? Show the world you are serious and lead the way. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 At 10:13 AM 11/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >I have responded, Sheri. I'll try again and break it down into the two >most important points you make. > >>Imagine, that someone decides that Bush is a threat to the world (now >>there's a concept!) > >Someone has and furthermore they believe not only that Bush is, but that ALL >of America is a threat. >That someone is: Militant Muslim Terrorists -- yes, none from Iraq (..... >and I have always said that after Afghanistan our next efforts should have >been made toward Saudi Arabia which produced most of the 19 men who hijacked >the planes. And more lies.............but you keep believing it Carolyn. Militant Muslim terrorists, who many are still alive who were said to be on those planes; their names aren't even on the passenger lists; passports falling from the sky; guys who couldn't even fly Cessnas and drank and caroused - real good muslims. They have done an excellent job programming you. But perhaps we didn't go there because Saudi officials >condemmned the attack and claimed they were inacted by fringe fanatical >muslims similar to our McVeigh types), And lots of lies about Tim McVeigh under Clinton which started us on the road to losing our rights...........but you don't want to know about that but the reason, Sheri, Iraq >was determined to be a formidable player in the Terrorism factor is because >of Sadamm Hussein's continual provocative moves demonstrating resistance to >the UN restrictions placed upon him And you really have been sold a billl of goods. I am really really sorry for all of you that have bought these lies, hook, line and sinker. It is very very sad and people are dying because of these lies. You have been a good little student of the Straussian neocons. -- which he had agreed to upon >surrender-- at the end of the Persian Gulf War, 1990, and because he was >using all of the " Oil for Food " to his own benefit rather than the benefit >of his people Oh, Carolyn, you have been a good little programmed robot spouting exactly what they want you to spout. and , finally, because there was intelligence that he was >amassing WMDs for eventual available use by terrorists against the US. Oh, yeah.........you still believe that??????? For >a long time there was a belief that this intelligence was faulty and Bush >had to take the heat over it most of the last 2 years, but recently, late >October it was confirmed by Kerry's campaign, in fact??????, that there had >been found thousands of pounds of explosives which had been denied to exist >by Sadamm Hussein during our investigative period .... What??????????????? I could go on, but >won't belabor this point. I think it sufficiently answers your first >statement. > > >So the Spanish invade the US and they come to your >> town - Anytown USA - and you have freedom fighters there. Everyone who >can >> is trying to defend their town. They didn't vote for Bush, they are from >a >> Blue County ;-)......You are fighting for your family, your >> neighborhood, your town, your county, your state and your country. You >are >> doing all you can as you are fighting for your freedom .... > >Sheri, if Spain came to invade America because they believed Bush was >preventing us from living a life of liberty and, therefore, wanted to >provide a way for us to resume that freedom we all so desperately >desire ---- Hey, I would be the first to jump on board with Spain. I would >not be fighting AGAINST their effort. BUT BUSH IS preventing you from living a life of liberty - here and now! Patriot Act I & II, Vaccine mandates, hello??????????? > We have NOT invaded Iraq for aggressive reasons, we have INTERVENED for >humanitarian reasons: First, to protect the US against potential future >retaliation from Sadamm or other terrorists who would have access to his >WMDs , and, ABSOLUTELY unbelievable. They still believe Saddam has WMD's - you see how you can 't reason with such people as they believe lies that have been proven to be lies OVER AND OVER> And Afghanistan??????? Oil, pipelines........is why we invaded. Secondly, to provide freedom to the Iraqi people, themselves, >who have been oppressed by Sadamm. Oh, give it a break IMO, you have it all twisted. But >you are certainly intitled to your beliefs, and I thank you for allowing me >to express mine. There are such things as beliefs based in myth and lies and deceit - wmd, yeah right. But you keep on believing.........I have no use for people who just can't even read and think for themselves. Really, I have no use. Those of you who have supported this fascist regime get what is coming to you. And I'm actually becoming more and more glad that Bush seems to be the winner (and 'seems' is the operative word here) as maybe you will eventually see after 4 more years. Its just that the rest of the world will have to suffer, but I have to believe that what goes around comes around. The drunk has to hit bottom. If it weren't so pathetic it would be funny. I suggest you go outside the US for a little history lesson and some current affairs. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I like this site....Have you looked at the Thank You Mr. Bush one...Good information, I wish we could have had these played on tv. Donna > Here's a little Iraq history you might have forgotten... > > http://www.secondterm.us/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 " We have NOT invaded Iraq for aggressive reasons, we have INTERVENED for humanitarian reasons " If only that were really true....isn't it all really about oil??? > > > > > >> I would like to post a question to you. If another country with a > > >different philosophy from ours started bombing the US to force us to > > >>submit to their way of thinking and living, and if you saw many innocent > > >civilians die, some in your own family, would you >think that was > alright? > > >What I mean is if another country did the same thing here as we are doing > in > > >Iraq wouldn't your >husband and other American men fight the intruders? > > >They would then be considered the insurgents. > > > > > > > > > > > >, can't you see that this has been done -- deliberately on Sept. 11, > > >'01? > > > > > >Our men are not responding by targeting the innocent. They are > targetting > > >insurgents who are resisting the formation of a government which provides > > >freedom to the people -- freedom to continue to be muslim (no one is > forcing > > >Chrisitianity upon them) , freedom to live by their own convictions -- > > >FREEDOM. > > > > > > > > >Carolyn > > > > > > > > Carolyn > > How deluded can you be? > > > > Freedom........you still have NOT answered my question > > > > Again, I haven't had you put yourself in their place.......... > > Imagine, that someone decides that Bush is a threat to the world (now > > there's a concept!) and that he should be gotten rid of. Let's say it is > > Spain who decides this. So the Spanish invade the US and they come to > your > > town - Anytown USA - and you have freedom fighters there. Everyone who > can > > is trying to defend their town. They didn't vote for Bush, they are from > a > > Blue County ;-) > > They had no control, more than the rest of us, as to Bush and his neocons > > and all the dems and everyone. Your in your little town. You are > fighting > > for your life - all of you. You are fighting for your family, your > > neighborhood, your town, your county, your state and your country. You > are > > doing all you can as you are fighting for your freedom from an invader and > > an agressor. And in Spain they are labeling you all insurgents, fighting > > to maintain the regime. Just think about it. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > > vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL > > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > > > > ****** > > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. > > Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy > > knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy > information > > and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Donnie says: once you test positive and you can never take an HIV test again is just insane! I have tested over and over and I'm negative, i believe everybody should do the same. Mr. immature illiterate bad mouth Donnie is now negitive. That is not what he indicated before or has lead us to believe. All of his advice and treatments are second hand because they do not apply to hm. I bet he doesn't even take them, why would he he is negitive. He does NOT have this virus. No wonder his advice is so ignorant. BEWARE of anything Donnie tells you. I post this so you all know the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Hi Don Have u stopped meds for three years? According to Scientific if your cd4 is less Than 200 you have aids and you left only 3 years to live in this world if u are not on meds.. Please share how long u were healthy and alive Even after u stopped taking the Arvs. Cheers Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Don <donjuan69uni@...> wrote: > Since I have the time right now before my company gets here I'll take the precious time to address your bullshit once again. When I came into this group I was lost, I was scared and I had full faith in the system. I was an advocate for HIV, I trusted the researchers, I hoped for a cure, I trusted the medications and the doctors. I did ARV's for 6 miserable long months and although I looked good in paper (High T-cells and undetecable viral load) I felt like shit. I fatigued all day, I had diarrhea, nausea, nightmares, etc. I came here looking for a cure and encouraged others to get together and brainstorm remedies that were out in the market, I did the Hydrogen Peroxide therapy and Immusist, another member named Hugo did his own thing and so did other members. When I left the meds and got better I was thinking my T-cells were going to go up and my viral load was going to stay undetectable, but when my CD4 stayed at 198 and my viral load went > up a little I began to questions things and thats when I started reading disclaimers and getting educated on this whole HIV issue. Now I am no longer scared, I am in control, I feel cured because once you realize there is NO TEST IN THE WORLD SPECIFIC TO THE HIV VIRUS, (something you refuse to acknowledge ) you come to realize that you never test positive for a virus to begin with, you only tested REACTIVE for an ANTI-BODY. If you were so dedicated to exploding this HIV nonsense like you are exploding me then you would realize that all this is a fraud! I don't' encourage people to get tested like I used to because of how unreliable these tests are, I do encourage everybody who tested HIV+ to test again to they can see they're no longer reactive and to see for themselves how much of a scam HIV is. Did you not see House of Numbers and realize how each manufacturer designs each HIV test differently? I want you DOUG to show me AN ACCURATE TEST > that truly confirms the pressence of the HIV virus, not a viral load test, not an ANTi-BODY TEST and ACTUAL VIRUS HARMING, HEALTHY CELL EATING HIV test that will shut me up, as well as shut up experts like Deusberg, Joan Shenton, Crowe and ever Luc Montangier WHO DISCOVERED HIV!! But no you're not listening to the actual man that discovered HIV in France you're listening to a Nurse from the 1980's who's the " expert " in all this. Doug you are dangerous to the group, you spread your nonsense and incompetent ways to others around you, you can go around quoting me all you want on other posts but my knowledge on this issue changes the more I get educated on this and the more I hear people take control of their lives, but you, you're not in control, you rely on those medications that give you neuropathy and vital organ complications. You're just a poor unfortunate soul that wants others to share your same fate and misery. I'll admit my > advise and my way of thinking has changed, and your advise never changes because you have believed this nonsense all your life, your whole life you have been let to believe what science can still not prove. You're stuck in hole and you're only sinking. Go ahead and blame this ghost virus all you want. Until you demand your blood to be examined by high scientific technology to confirm it's presence and not rely on and antibody test that can yield a positive response for 70 known reasons then you have no business to be spreading your shit all over this group. I pray you find the solution and listen to the right people. I used to fight with Ed on this group and he even left! Now I realize he was right all long. He might have had a different way of communicating his message which led to my frustration in my mission to find a cure but he was right. He has rubbed elbows with peter deusberg, he was featured in Maggories book and he > was diagnosed in the late 80's and refused medications and he's as healthy as can be. There's nothing to cure when there's no proof in the pie that the monster in indeed in there. And with that I leave you, my friends are here time go enjoy my weekend and party!!! Don't want to end up a pathetic miserable old man like you.! > > UN BESITO!!! > DonJ > > > > From: Doug <dougman1@...> > Subject: The truth > cures for AIDS > Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 5:31 PM > > > > Donnie says: once you test positive and you can never take an HIV test again is just > > insane! I have tested over and over and I'm negative, i believe everybody > > should do the same. > > Mr. immature illiterate bad mouth Donnie is now negitive. That is not what he indicated before or has lead us to believe. All of his advice and treatments are second hand because they do not apply to hm. I bet he doesn't even take them, why would he he is negitive. He does NOT have this virus. No wonder his advice is so ignorant. BEWARE of anything Donnie tells you. I post this so you all know the truth. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 LMAO! Marc it never ends with you does it..... > > From: Doug <dougman1@...> > Subject: The truth > cures for AIDS > Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 5:31 PM > > > > Donnie says: once you test positive and you can never take an HIV test again is just > > insane! I have tested over and over and I'm negative, i believe everybody > > should do the same. > > Mr. immature illiterate bad mouth Donnie is now negitive. That is not what he indicated before or has lead us to believe. All of his advice and treatments are second hand because they do not apply to hm. I bet he doesn't even take them, why would he he is negitive. He does NOT have this virus. No wonder his advice is so ignorant. BEWARE of anything Donnie tells you. I post this so you all know the truth. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 let me answer this just to be clear. Studies have shown that people who are healthy, weight lifters and athletes in the prime of their healthy lives have had T-cells less than 200. This less than 200 theory was made up by the CDC. T-cells in the blood don't mean a thing, the true source of T-Cells is in the bone marrow. The CDC used to say that T-cells below 300 was AIDS just 10 years ago, rumor has it now that they're changing that. A recent Gilead urges people to take medications with T-cells of below 423 it was.....So for MY body 198-205 is normal. You don't need t-cells of 250-1000 plus. That is myth made up by the CDC to scare you into taking medications. Guidelines doctors follow according to them. I have had those T-cells for the past 4 years already and no Marc, I'm not dead, I'll tell you who is dying, my friend from Wisconsin. He's got full blown AIDS and is in Hospice care right now but his T-cells are 350. So you tell me how reliable T-cells are. > > From: Doug <dougman1@...> > Subject: The truth > cures for AIDS > Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 5:31 PM > > > > Donnie says: once you test positive and you can never take an HIV test again is just > > insane! I have tested over and over and I'm negative, i believe everybody > > should do the same. > > Mr. immature illiterate bad mouth Donnie is now negitive. That is not what he indicated before or has lead us to believe. All of his advice and treatments are second hand because they do not apply to hm. I bet he doesn't even take them, why would he he is negitive. He does NOT have this virus. No wonder his advice is so ignorant. BEWARE of anything Donnie tells you. I post this so you all know the truth. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Please show us the studies of non HIV athletes with CD4 under 200. Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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