Re: Anyone here with Zero Cd4 but still alive & healthy?

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Hi Marc,

NO! A lot of people here have stopped meds but none of them have zero viral

load. In fact one cannot tell if their viral load is zero because the test only

registers to 22. Beyond that it simply says undetectable. So no one's viral load

is zero. Being healthy is a relative thing also. That is why my doctor told me

treating HIV is " uncharted waters " . People tell you what they perceive, which

may not be the way you perceive it. For instance, many people here speak of how

they feel (which changes often throughout the day) then they state their T cell

and viral load and I am horrified at the numbers. If my numbers were like theirs

I'd be in a panic. They seam to be ok with it. God bless them. All of it is

relative. It sounds like you are looking for something more concrete. Sorry the

truth is, this is " uncharted waters " .

Anyone here with Zero Cd4 but still alive & healthy?

Hi , have anyone here stopped meds

Reached zero cd4 count but still alive and Healthy?

Marc

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Marc wants to know about people with zero CD4 counts not zero Viral load. I'm

also waiting to hear if there are any.

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Re: Anyone here with Zero Cd4 but still alive & healthy?

Hi Marc,

NO! A lot of people here have stopped meds but none of them have zero viral

load. In fact one cannot tell if their viral load is zero because the test only

registers to 22. Beyond that it simply says undetectable. So no one's viral load

is zero. Being healthy is a relative thing also. That is why my doctor told me

treating HIV is " uncharted waters " . People tell you what they perceive, which

may not be the way you perceive it. For instance, many people here speak of how

they feel (which changes often throughout the day) then they state their T cell

and viral load and I am horrified at the numbers. If my numbers were like theirs

I'd be in a panic. They seam to be ok with it. God bless them. All of it is

relative. It sounds like you are looking for something more concrete. Sorry the

truth is, this is " uncharted waters " .

Anyone here with Zero Cd4 but still alive & healthy?

Hi , have anyone here stopped meds

Reached zero cd4 count but still alive and Healthy?

Marc

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Thanks Nokusa, I missed that. If a person has zero T cells that means they have

NO immune system, zero. Have you seen the movie " Boy in a Bubble " ? It was about

a boy born with no immune system. He had to stay in a completely sterile

environment. I think such would be true of one with zero T cells.

One could be healthy that way until an opportunistic infection comes along. That

is why they are called opportunistic. They wait for one's immunity to be

impaired and then they strike.

Anyone here with Zero Cd4 but still alive & healthy?

Hi , have anyone here stopped meds

Reached zero cd4 count but still alive and Healthy?

Marc

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One thing confuses me about the CD4s, I have now seen doctors being more

concerned with the % than the total count.

Apparently a " healthy " or " non-aids " count would be 20%.

I did in different occasions get a 10% count but the totals were very

different, something like 130 and 180.

But the doc said that the 10% was what mattered...

Then again, I heard several stories of people living with 1 CD4 and at a lab

I recently asked a technician and she mentioned a guy who would " always get

a 2% count " and he looked great...

Go figure.

More importantly, Can anyone point out a good piece of paper showing how the

CD4s are meaningless to address someone´s health?

I think the Perth Group touched on that, no?

saludos,

juan

Ps, remember a month or two ago I had blood drawn at two labs on the same

morning and had 5% and 8.4%...

From now on I will take two samples of blood at two different labs every

time I get a blood work...

[Guest guest]

Well CD4 has really never mattered.  Like it was mentioned in House of Numbers,

this was all based on assumption not science.  Their house of numbers is always

collapsing or changing.  As we have seen in many cases, people are in the worse

shape of their lives yet their numbers a no where near the below 200 to be

considered " AIDS " as it is in the case of (the story I shared) is

still hanging on but is in bad shape and with T-cells over 200.  In other cases

people have died of AIDS and had their T-Cells high.  It also depends on the

doctor too.  The man we saw a story on that was thought to have had HIV for a

long time when in face didn't have the " virus " his doctor told him not to take

meds yet because of his low viral load.  My doctor on the other hand didn't

look at viral load to determine when it was good to get on medications, he

looked at T-cells.  so it depends on the doctor as well.

From: Foros <juanforos11@...>

Subject: Re: Anyone here with Zero Cd4 but still alive & healthy?

cures for AIDS

Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 1:00 AM

 

One thing confuses me about the CD4s, I have now seen doctors being more

concerned with the % than the total count.

Apparently a " healthy " or " non-aids " count would be 20%.

I did in different occasions get a 10% count but the totals were very

different, something like 130 and 180.

But the doc said that the 10% was what mattered...

Then again, I heard several stories of people living with 1 CD4 and at a lab

I recently asked a technician and she mentioned a guy who would " always get

a 2% count " and he looked great...

Go figure.

More importantly, Can anyone point out a good piece of paper showing how the

CD4s are meaningless to address someone´s health?

I think the Perth Group touched on that, no?

saludos,

juan

Ps, remember a month or two ago I had blood drawn at two labs on the same

morning and had 5% and 8.4%...

From now on I will take two samples of blood at two different labs every

time I get a blood work...