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hello pilgrims. do not believe the dougman when he states that the pharm

industry will not bother with groups like this one. they hire shills to

post garbage, blab on about nothing, and desparage members. when members

leave, they have won again. it has happened recently on another group and

i heard about it especially on an autism group. i think that the

moderator can block certain emails from posting; you should look into

that.

if you guys could post accurate subject lines each time you post, instead

of just hitting reply, it would be easy to filter out your pissy fights.

regards,

brian.

> DOUG MAN,

>  

> If there are others in this group who are on HAART, more power to them; at

> least they aren't on the list bragging about their free meds and

> suggesting others get on the same ride to slavery.  However, we're here

> to talk about alternatives.  And every chance you get, you come in with

> your silly scare tactics.  And paranoid? YES.  Anyone who refuses

> traditional treatment should be paranoid; after all those

> in charge can't afford to see anyone with HIV/AIDS living a normal life

> without the meds.  It would undermine their efforts.  And to refer to me

> as misguided is typical of someone who sits at home and collects a check

> for doing nothing. You are the system.  With lovely folks like you, the

> system will be protected, defended and strengthened in the years to

> come.  I'm sick of you, DOUG. I haven't learned a fucking thing

> from you EVER and I'm tired of listening to your shit.  If I wanted

> to hear opinions like yours, I would sign up

> for POZ.COM.  I'm out of here.  Good luck to everyone out there who is

> looking for a better way of life; seek and ye shall find.

>  

> Peace.

>

>

> From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

> cures for AIDS

> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:40 PM

> Subject: Re: In Loving Memory of Karri Stokely

>

>

>  

> I'm not going to change your mind either. So lets leave it at that. I do

> detect a little paranoia here. A pharmaceutical company would not be

> bothered with a little group like this. It is not worth their while. They

> especially would not pay someone to E mail in a group like this. They want

> to go for the big boys in Washington D.C. that is where the money is, not

> here. Sorry. It was a nice try though.

>

> Re: In Loving Memory of Karri Stokely

>

> http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=5sL7d8qwCKQ

>

> How is everybody, things have been quite around here. I hope everybody is

> doing

>

> well. Well last week we lost a very important person in our battle. It

> just

>

> broke my heart to hear the passing of Karri. She was inspiration to me and

> one

>

> who really made me rethink all this HIV/AIDS mess and help me take

> control. I

>

> posted a video on her a while back. Please keep her family in your prayers

> and

>

> don't get discouraged. Karri had a lot of complications due to the damage

> that

>

> the ARV's did to her. Like she mentioned in this video she was denied

> medical

>

> health because of her status. Don't let the assholes from AIDSTruth brain

> wash

>

> you has they are going to be happy to add her name to the " List of Dead

> AIDS

>

> Dissidents " they have very few names, very few names they like to have

> float

>

> around. Yet if we made a list of all the people who have died taking ARV's

> we

>

> would NEVER finish!!! So to Hell with them!! I plan to talk to her husband

>

> once he

>

> has the strength to talk. It also important to know the difference between

>

> being a dissident and a straight up DENIALIST! Being a Denialist I think

> is

>

> even worse!! When I spoke to the organization called HEAL in New York they

>

> tried to convince me there was no such thing as an immune system! STRAIGHT

> UP

>

> LIE!! They go around telling people who are HIV positive to just not do a

> damn

>

> thing!! My friend Emery died of Kompsi Sarcoma. He even went on

> youtube

>

> laughing about his white blood count being low. You can't do that people!!

> Yes

>

> viral load tests and HIV tests are unreliable but don't ignore your lab

> results

>

> that do mean something!! I wish he would have seeked treatment!! If any of

> you

>

> have any health concerns let me know!! Chlorophyll will raise your red

> blood

>

> cells naturally, Astragalus will raise your white blood cells naturally

> too......

>

> There is a natural remedy for many things. if that doesn't work well then

> go to

>

> the

>

> doctor!! i have nothing against pharmaceutical drugs just DON'T TAKE THEM

> FOR

>

> THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!! Once again, please pray for Karri's family in this

> time

>

> of need. Remember her cause and everything she stood for. Don't be fooled

> by

>

> the idiots she tried so hard to fight or the idiots that refused to help

> he

>

> because of her status.

>

> I love each and everyone of you guys here.

>

> -DonJ

>

>

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Forget it . We do not have " pissy fights " here. We are here to help

eachother survive and thrive with this virus. Whatever you found with Autism is

not happening here. Nice try buddy.

Re: In Loving Memory of Karri Stokely

>

> http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=5sL7d8qwCKQ

>

> How is everybody, things have been quite around here. I hope everybody is

> doing

>

> well. Well last week we lost a very important person in our battle. It

> just

>

> broke my heart to hear the passing of Karri. She was inspiration to me and

> one

>

> who really made me rethink all this HIV/AIDS mess and help me take

> control. I

>

> posted a video on her a while back. Please keep her family in your prayers

> and

>

> don't get discouraged. Karri had a lot of complications due to the damage

> that

>

> the ARV's did to her. Like she mentioned in this video she was denied

> medical

>

> health because of her status. Don't let the assholes from AIDSTruth brain

> wash

>

> you has they are going to be happy to add her name to the " List of Dead

> AIDS

>

> Dissidents " they have very few names, very few names they like to have

> float

>

> around. Yet if we made a list of all the people who have died taking ARV's

> we

>

> would NEVER finish!!! So to Hell with them!! I plan to talk to her husband

>

> once he

>

> has the strength to talk. It also important to know the difference between

>

> being a dissident and a straight up DENIALIST! Being a Denialist I think

> is

>

> even worse!! When I spoke to the organization called HEAL in New York they

>

> tried to convince me there was no such thing as an immune system! STRAIGHT

> UP

>

> LIE!! They go around telling people who are HIV positive to just not do a

> damn

>

> thing!! My friend Emery died of Kompsi Sarcoma. He even went on

> youtube

>

> laughing about his white blood count being low. You can't do that people!!

> Yes

>

> viral load tests and HIV tests are unreliable but don't ignore your lab

> results

>

> that do mean something!! I wish he would have seeked treatment!! If any of

> you

>

> have any health concerns let me know!! Chlorophyll will raise your red

> blood

>

> cells naturally, Astragalus will raise your white blood cells naturally

> too......

>

> There is a natural remedy for many things. if that doesn't work well then

> go to

>

> the

>

> doctor!! i have nothing against pharmaceutical drugs just DON'T TAKE THEM

> FOR

>

> THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!! Once again, please pray for Karri's family in this

> time

>

> of need. Remember her cause and everything she stood for. Don't be fooled

> by

>

> the idiots she tried so hard to fight or the idiots that refused to help

> he

>

> because of her status.

>

> I love each and everyone of you guys here.

>

> -DonJ

>

>

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LOL.  I love you guys.  All of you.

Randall

________________________________

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: industry shills

 

Forget it . We do not have " pissy fights " here. We are here to help

eachother survive and thrive with this virus. Whatever you found with Autism is

not happening here. Nice try buddy.

Re: In Loving Memory of Karri Stokely

>

> http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=5sL7d8qwCKQ

>

> How is everybody, things have been quite around here. I hope everybody is

> doing

>

> well. Well last week we lost a very important person in our battle. It

> just

>

> broke my heart to hear the passing of Karri. She was inspiration to me and

> one

>

> who really made me rethink all this HIV/AIDS mess and help me take

> control. I

>

> posted a video on her a while back. Please keep her family in your prayers

> and

>

> don't get discouraged. Karri had a lot of complications due to the damage

> that

>

> the ARV's did to her. Like she mentioned in this video she was denied

> medical

>

> health because of her status. Don't let the assholes from AIDSTruth brain

> wash

>

> you has they are going to be happy to add her name to the " List of Dead

> AIDS

>

> Dissidents " they have very few names, very few names they like to have

> float

>

> around. Yet if we made a list of all the people who have died taking ARV's

> we

>

> would NEVER finish!!! So to Hell with them!! I plan to talk to her husband

>

> once he

>

> has the strength to talk. It also important to know the difference between

>

> being a dissident and a straight up DENIALIST! Being a Denialist I think

> is

>

> even worse!! When I spoke to the organization called HEAL in New York they

>

> tried to convince me there was no such thing as an immune system! STRAIGHT

> UP

>

> LIE!! They go around telling people who are HIV positive to just not do a

> damn

>

> thing!! My friend Emery died of Kompsi Sarcoma. He even went on

> youtube

>

> laughing about his white blood count being low. You can't do that people!!

> Yes

>

> viral load tests and HIV tests are unreliable but don't ignore your lab

> results

>

> that do mean something!! I wish he would have seeked treatment!! If any of

> you

>

> have any health concerns let me know!! Chlorophyll will raise your red

> blood

>

> cells naturally, Astragalus will raise your white blood cells naturally

> too......

>

> There is a natural remedy for many things. if that doesn't work well then

> go to

>

> the

>

> doctor!! i have nothing against pharmaceutical drugs just DON'T TAKE THEM

> FOR

>

> THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!! Once again, please pray for Karri's family in this

> time

>

> of need. Remember her cause and everything she stood for. Don't be fooled

> by

>

> the idiots she tried so hard to fight or the idiots that refused to help

> he

>

> because of her status.

>

> I love each and everyone of you guys here.

>

> -DonJ

>

>

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Does that include me too Randall?

Re: In Loving Memory of Karri Stokely

>

> http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=5sL7d8qwCKQ

>

> How is everybody, things have been quite around here. I hope everybody is

> doing

>

> well. Well last week we lost a very important person in our battle. It

> just

>

> broke my heart to hear the passing of Karri. She was inspiration to me and

> one

>

> who really made me rethink all this HIV/AIDS mess and help me take

> control. I

>

> posted a video on her a while back. Please keep her family in your prayers

> and

>

> don't get discouraged. Karri had a lot of complications due to the damage

> that

>

> the ARV's did to her. Like she mentioned in this video she was denied

> medical

>

> health because of her status. Don't let the assholes from AIDSTruth brain

> wash

>

> you has they are going to be happy to add her name to the " List of Dead

> AIDS

>

> Dissidents " they have very few names, very few names they like to have

> float

>

> around. Yet if we made a list of all the people who have died taking ARV's

> we

>

> would NEVER finish!!! So to Hell with them!! I plan to talk to her husband

>

> once he

>

> has the strength to talk. It also important to know the difference between

>

> being a dissident and a straight up DENIALIST! Being a Denialist I think

> is

>

> even worse!! When I spoke to the organization called HEAL in New York they

>

> tried to convince me there was no such thing as an immune system! STRAIGHT

> UP

>

> LIE!! They go around telling people who are HIV positive to just not do a

> damn

>

> thing!! My friend Emery died of Kompsi Sarcoma. He even went on

> youtube

>

> laughing about his white blood count being low. You can't do that people!!

> Yes

>

> viral load tests and HIV tests are unreliable but don't ignore your lab

> results

>

> that do mean something!! I wish he would have seeked treatment!! If any of

> you

>

> have any health concerns let me know!! Chlorophyll will raise your red

> blood

>

> cells naturally, Astragalus will raise your white blood cells naturally

> too......

>

> There is a natural remedy for many things. if that doesn't work well then

> go to

>

> the

>

> doctor!! i have nothing against pharmaceutical drugs just DON'T TAKE THEM

> FOR

>

> THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!! Once again, please pray for Karri's family in this

> time

>

> of need. Remember her cause and everything she stood for. Don't be fooled

> by

>

> the idiots she tried so hard to fight or the idiots that refused to help

> he

>

> because of her status.

>

> I love each and everyone of you guys here.

>

> -DonJ

>

>

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Well of course Doug!  LOL.  All means ALL!  We all disagree here from time to

time and to me, that's ok.  Sometimes we get so frustrated with eachother but

at the end of the day, I know that we all want what's best for eachother.

Randall

________________________________

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: industry shills

 

Does that include me too Randall?

Re: In Loving Memory of Karri Stokely

>

> http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=5sL7d8qwCKQ

>

> How is everybody, things have been quite around here. I hope everybody is

> doing

>

> well. Well last week we lost a very important person in our battle. It

> just

>

> broke my heart to hear the passing of Karri. She was inspiration to me and

> one

>

> who really made me rethink all this HIV/AIDS mess and help me take

> control. I

>

> posted a video on her a while back. Please keep her family in your prayers

> and

>

> don't get discouraged. Karri had a lot of complications due to the damage

> that

>

> the ARV's did to her. Like she mentioned in this video she was denied

> medical

>

> health because of her status. Don't let the assholes from AIDSTruth brain

> wash

>

> you has they are going to be happy to add her name to the " List of Dead

> AIDS

>

> Dissidents " they have very few names, very few names they like to have

> float

>

> around. Yet if we made a list of all the people who have died taking ARV's

> we

>

> would NEVER finish!!! So to Hell with them!! I plan to talk to her husband

>

> once he

>

> has the strength to talk. It also important to know the difference between

>

> being a dissident and a straight up DENIALIST! Being a Denialist I think

> is

>

> even worse!! When I spoke to the organization called HEAL in New York they

>

> tried to convince me there was no such thing as an immune system! STRAIGHT

> UP

>

> LIE!! They go around telling people who are HIV positive to just not do a

> damn

>

> thing!! My friend Emery died of Kompsi Sarcoma. He even went on

> youtube

>

> laughing about his white blood count being low. You can't do that people!!

> Yes

>

> viral load tests and HIV tests are unreliable but don't ignore your lab

> results

>

> that do mean something!! I wish he would have seeked treatment!! If any of

> you

>

> have any health concerns let me know!! Chlorophyll will raise your red

> blood

>

> cells naturally, Astragalus will raise your white blood cells naturally

> too......

>

> There is a natural remedy for many things. if that doesn't work well then

> go to

>

> the

>

> doctor!! i have nothing against pharmaceutical drugs just DON'T TAKE THEM

> FOR

>

> THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!! Once again, please pray for Karri's family in this

> time

>

> of need. Remember her cause and everything she stood for. Don't be fooled

> by

>

> the idiots she tried so hard to fight or the idiots that refused to help

> he

>

> because of her status.

>

> I love each and everyone of you guys here.

>

> -DonJ

>

>

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Well said Randall. I couldn't agree with you more. No " pissy fights " here.

Re: In Loving Memory of Karri Stokely

>

> http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=5sL7d8qwCKQ

>

> How is everybody, things have been quite around here. I hope everybody is

> doing

>

> well. Well last week we lost a very important person in our battle. It

> just

>

> broke my heart to hear the passing of Karri. She was inspiration to me and

> one

>

> who really made me rethink all this HIV/AIDS mess and help me take

> control. I

>

> posted a video on her a while back. Please keep her family in your prayers

> and

>

> don't get discouraged. Karri had a lot of complications due to the damage

> that

>

> the ARV's did to her. Like she mentioned in this video she was denied

> medical

>

> health because of her status. Don't let the assholes from AIDSTruth brain

> wash

>

> you has they are going to be happy to add her name to the " List of Dead

> AIDS

>

> Dissidents " they have very few names, very few names they like to have

> float

>

> around. Yet if we made a list of all the people who have died taking ARV's

> we

>

> would NEVER finish!!! So to Hell with them!! I plan to talk to her husband

>

> once he

>

> has the strength to talk. It also important to know the difference between

>

> being a dissident and a straight up DENIALIST! Being a Denialist I think

> is

>

> even worse!! When I spoke to the organization called HEAL in New York they

>

> tried to convince me there was no such thing as an immune system! STRAIGHT

> UP

>

> LIE!! They go around telling people who are HIV positive to just not do a

> damn

>

> thing!! My friend Emery died of Kompsi Sarcoma. He even went on

> youtube

>

> laughing about his white blood count being low. You can't do that people!!

> Yes

>

> viral load tests and HIV tests are unreliable but don't ignore your lab

> results

>

> that do mean something!! I wish he would have seeked treatment!! If any of

> you

>

> have any health concerns let me know!! Chlorophyll will raise your red

> blood

>

> cells naturally, Astragalus will raise your white blood cells naturally

> too......

>

> There is a natural remedy for many things. if that doesn't work well then

> go to

>

> the

>

> doctor!! i have nothing against pharmaceutical drugs just DON'T TAKE THEM

> FOR

>

> THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!! Once again, please pray for Karri's family in this

> time

>

> of need. Remember her cause and everything she stood for. Don't be fooled

> by

>

> the idiots she tried so hard to fight or the idiots that refused to help

> he

>

> because of her status.

>

> I love each and everyone of you guys here.

>

> -DonJ

>

>

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yes we have lost some good people but they really leave once they find their

purpose.  Ed and for instance got well educated on this subject matter

and don't live in fear or don't like HIV control them.  As far as Dougman goes

I ask myself the same question.  Some people just see black and white no matter

how much color you put in front of them.  I have provided links and videos with

the claims I've made and I'm glad I was able to reach out to at least one person

(robert) we're still in contact via facebook and over the phone.

>

> Randall, well done for remaining med free. There is now real hope out

> there

>

> in the form of GcMaf, this is a natural substance that is sold by

> www.GcMaf......eu.

>

> Contact person is Noakes.

>

> Best Wishes

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...>

>

> " cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS >

>

> Sent: Mon, 9 May, 2011 10:31:17 AM

>

> Subject: Re: In Loving Memory of Karri Stokely

>

> Oh my gosh, this news just breaks my heart. I had been following Karri for

> a

>

> while. This just confirms to me that HIV is real and it's no joke. So many

>

> dissidents have passed on and it's just hitting me more and more. Don,

> while

>

> you mean well about your alternative treatment approach, the truth is that

> the

>

> majority of people aren't going to put forth such effort and time to

> research

>

> and try different alternative options when they constantly hear that you

> can

>

> take a pill or a few pills and be ok as long as you monitor your labs.

> Facing

>

> Karri's death and 's death a few years ago just confronts me with

> my

>

> own fate since I too have been diagnosed with this same killer virus. Five

>

> years later, I still look great and am in great health except for dental

> issues

>

> that has caused me chronic upper respiratory problems long before I was

>

> diagnosed HIV positive.

>

> I am a stubborn one when it comes to making that move to take HIV drugs.

> Just

>

> last night I saw a guy who I know had been literally deformed by those

> drugs

>

> that he has taken for so many years. Yet he is alive and walking around

> looking

>

> like the living dead. I'm sorry, I'd rather die early than look like that.

> I

>

> know the HIV drugs did that to him. I've seen people who were poz less

> years

>

> than me and they started ARVs and now they have lipo in the face and their

> skin

>

> looks so thin you could see their veins. My face is full and my body has

> good

>

> weight. I am not embarrassed to go outside or to the store. I take

> colloidal

>

> silver daily and get antioxidants from green tea. I also take a daily

>

> multivitamin and take a daily probiotic. It has to help some- but for how

> long,

>

> time will tell. If HIV kills without the help of ARVs then I will end up

> dying

>

> early too unless they can assure me that those drugs will not physically

> deform

>

> me like so

>

> many I have seen. It just breaks my heart. No one should look like alot of

> the

>

> people I've seen. May Karri Stokely rest in peace. I am so saddened to

> hear

>

> this.

>

> Randall

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

>

> cures for AIDS

>

> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 8:57 PM

>

> Subject: Re: In Loving Memory of Karri Stokely

>

> http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=5sL7d8qwCKQ

>

> How is everybody, things have been quite around here. I hope everybody is

> doing

>

> well. Well last week we lost a very important person in our battle. It

> just

>

> broke my heart to hear the passing of Karri. She was inspiration to me and

> one

>

> who really made me rethink all this HIV/AIDS mess and help me take

> control. I

>

> posted a video on her a while back. Please keep her family in your prayers

> and

>

> don't get discouraged. Karri had a lot of complications due to the damage

> that

>

> the ARV's did to her. Like she mentioned in this video she was denied

> medical

>

> health because of her status. Don't let the assholes from AIDSTruth brain

> wash

>

> you has they are going to be happy to add her name to the " List of Dead

> AIDS

>

> Dissidents " they have very few names, very few names they like to have

> float

>

> around. Yet if we made a list of all the people who have died taking ARV's

> we

>

> would NEVER finish!!! So to Hell with them!! I plan to talk to her husband

>

> once he

>

> has the strength to talk. It also important to know the difference between

>

> being a dissident and a straight up DENIALIST! Being a Denialist I think

> is

>

> even worse!! When I spoke to the organization called HEAL in New York they

>

> tried to convince me there was no such thing as an immune system! STRAIGHT

> UP

>

> LIE!! They go around telling people who are HIV positive to just not do a

> damn

>

> thing!! My friend Emery died of Kompsi Sarcoma. He even went on

> youtube

>

> laughing about his white blood count being low. You can't do that people!!

> Yes

>

> viral load tests and HIV tests are unreliable but don't ignore your lab

> results

>

> that do mean something!! I wish he would have seeked treatment!! If any of

> you

>

> have any health concerns let me know!! Chlorophyll will raise your red

> blood

>

> cells naturally, Astragalus will raise your white blood cells naturally

> too......

>

> There is a natural remedy for many things. if that doesn't work well then

> go to

>

> the

>

> doctor!! i have nothing against pharmaceutical drugs just DON'T TAKE THEM

> FOR

>

> THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!! Once again, please pray for Karri's family in this

> time

>

> of need. Remember her cause and everything she stood for. Don't be fooled

> by

>

> the idiots she tried so hard to fight or the idiots that refused to help

> he

>

> because of her status.

>

> I love each and everyone of you guys here.

>

> -DonJ

>

>

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