Introducing myself...

[Guest guest]

Welcome Ms Vilik!

Your return to simplicity reminds me of something I saw on television last

night... Larry King on CNN interviewed Jack LaLane. If you don't know, Jack

LaLane is a famous TV exercise coach, long since retired from television. He

is now in his 80's and still looks great. Larry King asked him for the

secret to getting good nutrition. To paraphrase LaLane, " It's not

complicated! People make things too complicated! Just remember one thing: IF

MAN MAKES IT DON'T EAT IT! "

Seemed like good advice to me. In fact that is why I try to eat only meats,

fruits and vegetables. I seldom even eat bread, as it requires the modern

technology of agriculture.

-gts

Introducing myself...

>

> Hello new friends,

>

> I am a woman (the name is pronounced Velique) in my fifties. The last

> decade and a half has been, at least in some ways, lost to Chronic

> Fatigue Sydrome. Now I want the next decade and a half...in fact

> the next quarter century...to be a time of health, vitality, energy,

> and every good thing I can imagine.

>

> I left medicine and drugs behind, and then I left supplements behind.

> After spending fortunes on them, I found the array of reactions and

> counter-reactions too confusing. My present path is...simplicity.

> I believe the body and mind, if given the right tools, is self-healing,

> and also able to continue to regenerate itself.

>

> Right now the things I am doing include chi gung, which is flowing

> energy using breath and movement, exposure to natural light, drinking

> the best water, and eating good organic food. I am interested in some

> herbs but have not yet added that.

>

> Is there anyone out there who resonates with my interests?

>

> Warm regards,

>

>

> ~^^V^^~

> Ms. Vilik

>

>

>

>

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> BTW: Did you buy that new car yet?

> If not, check this site out.

> They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Missy - welcome.

I think you are smart to want to firm up even though you are at a weight / size

you like. I sure wish I would have started at age 23! Prolly wouldn't have had

to go through the ordeal I have just gone through to lose these 74 lbs!

Anyhow, forget about your co-workers. Just smile politely and keep drinking

your shakes. By all means, get a hand blender as suggested. It makes all

the difference. Also, I like to use a bit more water than the packet calls for.

And use the coldest water you can get.

Regarding the intensity of your workouts, just do as the book says and you will

do fine. If you really want to change the shape of your body, I would not do so

much cardio (just the 20 minute solution as described in the book) until you

start to see muscle building. It shouldn't take long at your low weight to see

changes.

Finally, it is okay to use the machines, but probably best to use free weights.

If you have space/can afford it, get yourself a set of dumbells and do it at

home. They are fairly cheap and make it easier to get the workout done when you

can fit it into your day.

Hope this helps and keep us posted.

Park

Introducing myself...

Hi everyone!

I'm new to this group and new to BFL. I wanted to introduce myself and vent

a little. Sorry this is so long!

My name is Missy, and I'm 23 years old. I just discovered the Body For Life

book/program after surfing Amazon.com last weekend. I read the user comments

on the book and it seems like a good program. I want to start following a

diet program because I need the structure and BFL seems like a good program

for me.

My goals with the BFL program are to tone up and lower my body fat. Back in

2000, I lost a lot of weight by using Metabolife and drinking a ton of

water...I don't weight myself, but I went from a size 7/8 to a size 1/2.

I'm still a size 1/2, BUT I'm not a 'toned' size 2 (if that makes any sense

at all!) I've got a lil' 'pooch' I need to lose, have ugly arms, and need to

lose some fat on my legs. My body is certainly not bikini-ready.

My body got used to the Metabolife and I never lost those last 10-15 pounds.

I no longer take the pills, and I want to lose the weight the right way.

I exercise regularly at the local YMCA, doing the cardio and weight training

exercises. I'm at the Y 7 days/week and I *love* doing cardio. For the

weight training, I rotate the upper body, lower body, and abs every three

days. But, I don't think I'm doing either the cardio or weight training as

intensely as I could.

The real problem is my diet. I'm a terrible carb addict. I *love* cereal,

fruit, and turkey subs from Subway. My entire diet for the last year or so

has been bowls of cereal (Fruit Loops, Raisin Bran, and Lucky Charms have

been my favs), watermelon, blueberries, strawberries, grapefruit, and the

turkey subs (consisting of turkey, wheat bread, lettuce, and mustard). This

diet of mine is VERY unbalanced, and it's probably keeping me from seeing any

progress from the workouts. I'm hoping BFL gets me out of this eating rut!

I've been slowly working into the BFL program for the last three days. I

have the Myoplex Lite shakes, been trying out the cardio interval workout

(man, it's tougher than I thought!!), and the weight training program. My

first full day on it is tomorrow.

The shakes are kind of...chalky. I don't own a blender, and that's probably

why. I have the 'Chocolate Lovers' pack, and have tried the Chocolate Peanut

Butter and the Chocolate Mocha shakes. I couldn't finish either of them;

they fill me up really fast. I'll need to use the shakes because I doubt I

can get in all of meals with food. I think it's going to be tough for me to

eat all this food all day since I'm at work....

I've already gotten strange looks from the nosy people at the office. With

clothes on, you wouldn't think I need to lose weight, and when some of the

busybodies at work walk by my office and peer in, they feel the need to make

comments on my beverage such as...'Is that a SlimFast, Missy? You shouldn't

be drinking that! You don't need to lose weight!'

I tell them it's a protein shake, but I don't think they understand. I think

I'll need to ditch the clear bottle or I'm in for a lot of heckling from my

co-workers. Why can't they mind their own business???

Okay, now that I have that out of my system, I have a question...Is it okay

to use the weight machines instead of the free weights? The book doesn't show

many weight machine exercises, and I ask because my gym (the Y) is pretty

small and it has only one bench(!). The place is always pretty crowded, and

there's no way I'd be able to get in all of the free weight exercises if I

just used the dumbbells. Plus, I enjoy using the machines.

One more question...I can't see myself only doing 20 min of cardio 3

days/week...Currently I do an hour of cardio 7 days per week. Like I said

before, I *love* doing cardio...it's a stress reliever for me. Is it okay if

I continue doing my cardio this way, as long as I do the intervals for 20

mins on the allotted days?

Well, I suppose I've written enough for now. I'm very excited to start this

program!

Missy

[Guest guest]

Hi Missy.

First, about your co-workers...I have had the same problem on

occasion. Tell them you are trying to put on muscle. That you think

you are too weak. :-) That will keep them quiet - it works everytime

for me! After all, if they already are thinking to themselves you

are tiny, then what can they say to an answer like that! :-)

As for the weight training, you can definitely use machines. I have

been weight training for 3 years pretty intensely, and alternate

between free weights and machines. Just make sure to use heavy

enough weights.

Sounds to me like your main goal should be to add muscle - that will

take care of the little bodyfat you are worried about in itself

(muscle burns more calories, so by default if you eat well you will

lose bodyfat) and the muscle is what makes you look toned and " bikini

ready " :-)

Good luck and keep posting your progress!

Bec

[Guest guest]

I'm behind in posts, and trying to catch up. Forgive me if this has

all been said before.

Tell your co-workers that you are not trying to loose weight, you are

trying to gain muscle, because that is exactly what you need to do

right now. You have been doing the cardio thing for a long time, you

have lost a lot of fat, but you probably lost a lot of muscle along

with it. That is why you look in the mirror and think you still need

to loose weight to be happy with your bod in a bikini.

From all that I have read, I would say that yes, you need to cut back

on the cardio for now. Too much cardio will retard muscle growth,

and only muscle growth is going to give you the look you are going

for. You know this because you've already lost a buch of weight and

are not happy, right? Push hard at the weights, eat clean (and eat

enough! Most former 'dieters' have trouble understanding that to

build muscle you have to eat!) drink tons of water, and do your 20

minute solution three days a week. I bet in no time you start to see

that you are on the way to where you want to be.

Alys

[Guest guest]

Oh, also, and this is going to be really important to keep in mind,

don't worry about what the scale tells you. Your weight is probably

going to go up, but you will not get bigger.

1# of muscle takes up more space than 1# of fat, so as you replace

the remainder of your fat with muscle your scale will go up. But

those heavy muscle are going to make you look so toned, fit and ready

for the beach you won't care what that nasty old scale says!

Alys

[Guest guest]

Hi Roweena,

So sorry you didn't post this a few days ago - we have just emigrated to

Australia from the UK and are currently in Sydney with my husband's job.

Our dd, 7, is completely unvaccinated and unmedicated. Sadly, we are

leaving Sydney for WA next Friday (16th September) but if you would like to

get together for a chat and coffee before then, I'd be happy to. If Joanna

is reading, she would also be a wonderful contact for you in Sydney. Not

sure if she's back from Melbourne yet though so she may not see this.

Have you joined the AVN group? Might be a good place to make contact

with other Sydney mums - AVN. Their website

is also excellent www.avn.org.au

Apologies for brevity - rather stretched for time atm.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

> > introducing myself...

> >

> >

> >hi everybody,

> >

> >im new to the group - joined about a week ago but have been very

> >busy reading all the

> >daily posts... ive already learnt alot but im looking forward

> >to communicating with you all

> >in the future.

> >

> >a little about us... my name is roweena. i have a gorgeous 26

> >mth old girl named audrey.

> >we live in sydney with my husband danny. as far as vaccinations

> >go... audrey was given

> >vitamin k in hospital when i was bombarded with pressure not

> >long after the trauma of

> >birth. due to the lack of infomation and my state of mind i

> >caved and gave permission. i

> >also wonder if she may have been given hep b (although i have no

> >idea why a baby would

> >need that...)? she then recieved the 2month DPT due to immense

> >pressure from everybody

> >- family, friends and my trusted gp (who is a family friend).

> >

> >my history - i wasnt very healthy growing up... i had many

> >colds / coughs and was

> >constantly on antibiotics. about 10 years ago i started to

> >persue many alternative health

> >treatments and have had much success. we have an amazing

> >kinesiologist, homoeopath

> >and herbalist who we see every 6-8 weeks. this has been very

> >effective in treatment of my

> >food intolerances (ibs) and in treating audreys usual childhood

> >ailments - ear infections,

> >flus and high temps etc. ive had many treatments in bowen,

> >craniosacral therapy,

> >chiropractic etc. we eat mostly organic, have always avoided

> >wheat and cows milk.

> >

> >a bit about audrey - she was born intense (wearing a permanent

> >frown), rigid body,

> >clenched fists, unsettled and had crying episodes that lasted 6

> >or 7 hours a day - she was

> >inconsolable! she didnt sleep at all in the first 4 months as

> >she just looked in so much

> >pain - uneasy and restless... uncomfortable in her own skin.

> >

> >her temprement seemed to get worse as the months passed -

> >displaying behaviours of a

> >child with adhd in her second year of life - she was difficult

> >and demanding, unable to

> >play by herself for more than a minute, scattered and unable to

> >concentrate... however

> >her boundless energy and her amazing smile would light up the

> >room when she entered

> >and she was extremely loved by everybody she encountered - she

> >is truly divine - just

> >extremely hard work most of the time!!!

> >

> >i am not sure what any of this means? maybe she was just meant

> >to be this way and it has

> >nothing to do with her having had injections in the first 2

> >months... i had planned to wait

> >till she was over two to vaccinate and now that she has just

> >turned 2 im not sure if i want

> >to go down that path at all? she has been healthier than any

> >baby i know, but on the other

> >hand i hear they should get sick to build up immunity...

> >

> >i would love to hear you thoughts, im hoping for some clarity.

> >

> >i would really love to talk with any other mums in sydney in the

> >hope we may be able to

> >meet up? i dont know one single mother who has not gone down

> >the vaccination road so i

> >feel really unsupported and misunderstood!!!

> >

> >roweena x

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hi sue,

where abouts in sydney are you staying?

this week is crazy as its my birthday friday so i have appointments for

hair, facial etc... audrey has appointments at AAE, swimming and

dancing to catch up on after last week in the snow... i love being

busy though!

anyway, i am a couple of minutes from the city and drive so we could

meet up early next week maybe?

i have spent alot of time on the avn website and bought many books when

i was pregnant but i was not aware of the group so i will

definatly check it out, thanks for that!

roweena x

On 07/09/2005, at 12:02 AM, Mum2mishka wrote:

> Hi Roweena,

>

> So sorry you didn't post this a few days ago - we have just emigrated

> to

> Australia from the UK and are currently in Sydney with my husband's

> job.

> Our dd, 7, is completely unvaccinated and unmedicated. Sadly, we are

> leaving Sydney for WA next Friday (16th September) but if you would

> like to

> get together for a chat and coffee before then, I'd be happy to. If

> Joanna

> is reading, she would also be a wonderful contact for you in Sydney.

> Not

> sure if she's back from Melbourne yet though so she may not see this.

>

> Have you joined the AVN group? Might be a good place to make

> contact

> with other Sydney mums - AVN. Their

> website

> is also excellent www.avn.org.au

>

> Apologies for brevity - rather stretched for time atm.

>

> Love, light and peace,

>

> Sue

>

>

>>> introducing myself...

>>>

>>>

>>> hi everybody,

>>>

>>> im new to the group - joined about a week ago but have been very

>>> busy reading all the

>>> daily posts... ive already learnt alot but im looking forward

>>> to communicating with you all

>>> in the future.

>>>

>>> a little about us... my name is roweena. i have a gorgeous 26

>>> mth old girl named audrey.

>>> we live in sydney with my husband danny. as far as vaccinations

>>> go... audrey was given

>>> vitamin k in hospital when i was bombarded with pressure not

>>> long after the trauma of

>>> birth. due to the lack of infomation and my state of mind i

>>> caved and gave permission. i

>>> also wonder if she may have been given hep b (although i have no

>>> idea why a baby would

>>> need that...)? she then recieved the 2month DPT due to immense

>>> pressure from everybody

>>> - family, friends and my trusted gp (who is a family friend).

>>>

>>> my history - i wasnt very healthy growing up... i had many

>>> colds / coughs and was

>>> constantly on antibiotics. about 10 years ago i started to

>>> persue many alternative health

>>> treatments and have had much success. we have an amazing

>>> kinesiologist, homoeopath

>>> and herbalist who we see every 6-8 weeks. this has been very

>>> effective in treatment of my

>>> food intolerances (ibs) and in treating audreys usual childhood

>>> ailments - ear infections,

>>> flus and high temps etc. ive had many treatments in bowen,

>>> craniosacral therapy,

>>> chiropractic etc. we eat mostly organic, have always avoided

>>> wheat and cows milk.

>>>

>>> a bit about audrey - she was born intense (wearing a permanent

>>> frown), rigid body,

>>> clenched fists, unsettled and had crying episodes that lasted 6

>>> or 7 hours a day - she was

>>> inconsolable! she didnt sleep at all in the first 4 months as

>>> she just looked in so much

>>> pain - uneasy and restless... uncomfortable in her own skin.

>>>

>>> her temprement seemed to get worse as the months passed -

>>> displaying behaviours of a

>>> child with adhd in her second year of life - she was difficult

>>> and demanding, unable to

>>> play by herself for more than a minute, scattered and unable to

>>> concentrate... however

>>> her boundless energy and her amazing smile would light up the

>>> room when she entered

>>> and she was extremely loved by everybody she encountered - she

>>> is truly divine - just

>>> extremely hard work most of the time!!!

>>>

>>> i am not sure what any of this means? maybe she was just meant

>>> to be this way and it has

>>> nothing to do with her having had injections in the first 2

>>> months... i had planned to wait

>>> till she was over two to vaccinate and now that she has just

>>> turned 2 im not sure if i want

>>> to go down that path at all? she has been healthier than any

>>> baby i know, but on the other

>>> hand i hear they should get sick to build up immunity...

>>>

>>> i would love to hear you thoughts, im hoping for some clarity.

>>>

>>> i would really love to talk with any other mums in sydney in the

>>> hope we may be able to

>>> meet up? i dont know one single mother who has not gone down

>>> the vaccination road so i

>>> feel really unsupported and misunderstood!!!

>>>

>>> roweena x

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ava,

Welcome to the group, you will find this site a wealth of information,

especially when Danny begins school. I am an Australian, although I don't

really understand your education/law, the help, support and knowledge from

other parents is, imo of a high standard.

As you have older children, you will know that Danny really isn't that much

different to them as he reaches various milestones. At the moment, Trent is

going through a large pile of travel brochures trying his hardest to

convince me that we need to go on a tour now, not next year but now. I

really love it when he is in one of his travel moods, the brochures end up

all over my office - usually this happens just after I have spent all day

filing and putting things away and I have loads of bench space again!

All the best, and I hope the Avon selling goes well for you - many years I

use to sell Tupperware - great product.

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 23yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

Introducing myself...

Hi, my name is Ava and I am married to since 2000, I have 4

children. Three girls and a boy. My older girls are andra (15) and

(13) my younger two are Olivia (7) and (almost 3)

Danny has Down syndrome. He is such a blessing to our family. He was

born November 6thm 2004 when I was 41. I left my corporate job of 14

years this past August to be a SAHM when started preschool. We

just finished 2 weeks and it has been really great. I do Avon now to

help out with things here at home and I can't wait to meet you all.

Ava

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ava,

Welcome to the group, you will find this site a wealth of information,

especially when Danny begins school. I am an Australian, although I don't

really understand your education/law, the help, support and knowledge from

other parents is, imo of a high standard.

As you have older children, you will know that Danny really isn't that much

different to them as he reaches various milestones. At the moment, Trent is

going through a large pile of travel brochures trying his hardest to

convince me that we need to go on a tour now, not next year but now. I

really love it when he is in one of his travel moods, the brochures end up

all over my office - usually this happens just after I have spent all day

filing and putting things away and I have loads of bench space again!

All the best, and I hope the Avon selling goes well for you - many years I

use to sell Tupperware - great product.

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 23yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

Introducing myself...

Hi, my name is Ava and I am married to since 2000, I have 4

children. Three girls and a boy. My older girls are andra (15) and

(13) my younger two are Olivia (7) and (almost 3)

Danny has Down syndrome. He is such a blessing to our family. He was

born November 6thm 2004 when I was 41. I left my corporate job of 14

years this past August to be a SAHM when started preschool. We

just finished 2 weeks and it has been really great. I do Avon now to

help out with things here at home and I can't wait to meet you all.

Ava

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messages to go to the sender of the message.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing I really enjoyed your intro

Subject: introducing myself...To: RawDairy Received: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 9:05 PM

hi. i'm laura and am new to the group. i live in northwest indiana - where raw dairy sales are illegal and dairy production is strictly regulated. i live near a small farm where i buy "stock" or a "share" in the farm's production. (and i feel strangely paranoid about revealing my raw milk source....)i'm not sure how much information is preferred in these introductions. but the kids are in bed, i just poured a beer and i feel like typing for a little bit. i suppose i'll just assume that if i bore you, you'll move on to a more interesting post. i was raised in the city on kraft, dean's, hamburger helper and all things factory farmed. fast, easy and disposable was where it's at. the first time i ever even saw a cow was when i drove past a farm on a family road trip around 2nd or 3rd grade and only ever saw them again under similar circumstances. i grew up never having a real

understanding of where my food came from. (my grandfather did a small garden in his backyard, but all he grew were vegetables and everyone knows that's not food!)now i'm 31. i'm a wife and a mother. quite a few things have changed. my beliefs regarding politics, the environment, social responsibility and personal health have motivated me to try to live a more sustainable lifestyle. i wish i had taken on these lifestyle changes a lot sooner than i did. but supporting local businesses, eating local foods and working hard to reduce waste are all things i'm proud to have embraced - at any age. as for raw dairy - i can't believe how large of an impact switching to raw dairy is having on my... sustainability? even just the simplest act of reusing the same milk containers instead of buying new ones and sending the old off to be "recycled" is a step in the right direction. then i learned about

all of the health benefits offered by raw milk. (woo-whooo!! ) i also get to support a local family farm. (a few more steps there!) and now i can make kefir (that my toddler LOVES), cheese (that everyone loves!) and use the whey for baking bread! (which i do daily) the list is long, and i have to admit i feel like a kid right now - soooo excited about this awesome thing i've discovered! and bragging about it to a group of people who are nodding their heads and saying - uh, yeah. we know. we like it, too.but i never knew. and now i do - or, i'm finding out. and i'm very excited to learn more. so, thank you for letting me join your group. i guarantee i'll be reading these posts daily. once in a while, i might have a question. but mostly, i'll be reading.thanks, and have a good night,laura

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[Guest guest]

Dear list members:

I just heard about this list from someone on another LDN -HIV/AIDS group. I

had just sent this intro to them

and will send it to you, too.

I am 67, was diagnosed with HIV/HCV in December '10, and I have just ordered

MMS, which is on the way across the ocean. I started, as you will read

later, the ART's offered

here, 4 months ago. So I am still in the learning phase. Well, aren't we

all, ha!

I'll start with MMS and see what happens. I just hope that it's ok to take

it with my Lamivudine/Stavudine/Efavirenz mix. Then if that doesn't seem to

change anything, I'll try LDN.

I'd like to explain how things work here in the Philippines, where I

now live. I took the test (HIV) last fall,

the local lab said they couldn't get a reading (which meant, I realized

later, that indeed they got the positive result but were required to send

another sample of blood to Manila.) So we did that, and indeed the result,

IF

we can believe it. So I went to my ear Dr. because of an ear problem and

showed him the result. He immediately called the Dr. on this island, Bohol,

who is

assigned by the Govt. to handle all HIV/AIDS cases, so I went to her. We

did a CD4 test (which is only done in Manila, and only twice a year!) and my

CD4

was 250. No viral load test available in the whole country!

Because the Global Fund granted money to the PH for HIV/AIDS

patients I was able to squeek in under the free program here. However, they

only import some of the available drugs, and probably not the most

up-to-date ones. This program runs out in Dec. of 2012, partly because

someone embezzled some of the funds. Aren't people wonderful? So we don't

have much choice about the drugs, alas. I can't afford others now, so.

I guess there are only 10 known cases on Bohol Island, which is the 5th

largest island. But I got this in Manila, thanks!

There is a support organization in Cebu, which is an hour and a half

boat-ride away, started by a 23-yr. old poz man. Amazing what he's done,

which includes going out and sensitizing doctors, nurses, etc. about AIDS.

There is a lot of fear here, lack of understanding, etc. I did tell 3 Drs.

and 2 of them seemed happy to send me on my way. Interesting! I suppose

it's a lot like it was 30 years ago in the US when I first came out. In

many ways the PH is about 50 years behind!

So there we have my situation here. I do feel better after 4 mos. on

the ART's, but skin itching and dryness continue to plague me. Occasional

steroid cream helps, but. I'd like to get to a point where my skin isn't

such an issue. Of course I can't tell if it's because of the HIV or HCV, or

maybe even candida.

And I can't seem to interest the Dr. in anything but the ART's. I take

a slew of supplements, many she has never heard of!,

many recommended by Life Extension. And I eat healthfully,

too, and have most of my adult life.

By the way I also have some heart issues: irregular beat, weak left

ventricle. Was

diagnosed 3 years ago with idiopathic (unknown causes)dilated

cardio myopathy. My heart was a bit enlarged, which now is not so. I went

off my heart meds in the summer of 09 and started a regimen of supplements

that were supposed to do the same as the allopathic meds. It was also at

that time that I noticed I was getting little skin infections from scratches

incurred while gardening (in Mexico). Have been doing well since, but after

being diagnosed in Dec. decided to see a heart Dr., who just recommended the

same old! LOL. So I went back on lanoxin, for strengthening and regulating

the beat. But that really doesn't seem like much of an issue now.

Well, enough of taking your time. Obviously I don't have many people to

talk to here, tho I have met several other patients, who are getting

together once in a while now. My boyfriend, luckily, has dealt with it, but

then he has HBV, probably since childhood. So we have our medical issues!

I doubt if I'll tell my Dr. about the MMS, as she won't have the

foggiest!

For most of the last year I've had a lot of skin issues: rashes, itching,

scaling, dryness, scalp is a mess!

Otherwise I am feeling stronger after being on the ART's.

Do any of you have any clue about taking MMS with my ART's? I

know, you're not Dr's but you have the experience! So thanks for listening,

if you got this far! I am interested in alternative therapies, as I'm not

one to just follow what the

establishment here says, as their experience is limited, and I'm willing to

experiment a little on my own body! I did with my heart issues, so...!

And I'm convinced that Big Pharma is BJ'ing everyone in FDA! Why, otherwise

would the FDA

be conducting the present witch hunt? Well, another issue!

I look forward to learning more what you people have to say, so there you

have it. I know

that you don't go in for regular allopathic therapies, which is fine with

me, but I just want to

learn what I can and see what others are doing to help themselves be

healthy!

Thanks and may we all be well and happy!

Rod in the Philippines