Guest guest Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 You know what? I'm glad that all the whining wimps are leaving the group. They are weak and cannot take the heat. I am staying in the group because there's always something to learn. People are sharing their ideas and their opinions and even tho sometimes it may be confusing or not what I want to hear, it's still beneficial for me to hear all sorts of ideas and prospectives. I'm actually glad that Don and Doug both are here. They both teach me alot even when they get frustrated with eachother. So to all of the whining wimps that can't take the heat and want to pout and tell everyone " I'm leaving, "  I say " See ya! "  We need strong individuals in this group who can go to WAR and not bail out! Remember, there are people in this group who are silent members and altho some of you may feel like you are talking to brick walls, you just may be helping a few of the " silent members " without even knowing it! I actually saw proof of this some time ago when a few " silent members " emailed me in private. People, someone else is always listening and taking it all in. We need fighters and people passionate enough not to bail out. God is using us all whether we are aware of it or not and in the end the truth will triumph! We are all seeking truth and by us focusing our minds and hearts on whatever the truth may be, I believe we shall find the peace of mind and knowledge we are seeking.   Randall   Randall From: Rod <rodgis44@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 6:31 AM Subject: HIV or not  Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Amen, I'll admit Doug does have some passion, despite the complications he says he has he's keep is feet on the ground and there's something to be said for that. I don't think I will ever change his mind but like you said there are silent members and I refuse to leave because I'm trying to offer them hope. Many out there like who fell in the trap, my problem here is all the science....I want science not theories and assumptions. This isn't a religion. We just had a discussion on viral load on facebook and nobody can conclude what it is. All we know is that it's a band of proteins and DNA strands and theyre being diminished by ARV's now these proteins and DNA may be beneficial for the body yet ARV's are depleting them. The HIV community is scared of healthy people taking viral load tests, you need a document stating proof that there's a positive response any HIV test, if a viral load test is given to somebody without those papers they can be fined and the clinic can be shut down. What are they so scared about? So many things don't make sense and many things people like Doug don't question. They're just waiting for scientists and medical professionals to work on the " cure " yet research for the last 30 years hasn't even provided a vaccine. A vaccine that will give us all the antibody to grant us immunity to HIV. Yet Anti-bodies are key for HIV diagnosis.....just think about that.... From: Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...> Subject: Re: HIV or not " cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS > Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 12:13 PM  You know what? I'm glad that all the whining wimps are leaving the group. They are weak and cannot take the heat. I am staying in the group because there's always something to learn. People are sharing their ideas and their opinions and even tho sometimes it may be confusing or not what I want to hear, it's still beneficial for me to hear all sorts of ideas and prospectives. I'm actually glad that Don and Doug both are here. They both teach me alot even when they get frustrated with eachother. So to all of the whining wimps that can't take the heat and want to pout and tell everyone " I'm leaving, "  I say " See ya! "  We need strong individuals in this group who can go to WAR and not bail out! Remember, there are people in this group who are silent members and altho some of you may feel like you are talking to brick walls, you just may be helping a few of the " silent members " without even knowing it! I actually saw proof of this some time ago when a few " silent members " emailed me in private. People, someone else is always listening and taking it all in. We need fighters and people passionate enough not to bail out. God is using us all whether we are aware of it or not and in the end the truth will triumph! We are all seeking truth and by us focusing our minds and hearts on whatever the truth may be, I believe we shall find the peace of mind and knowledge we are seeking.   Randall   Randall From: Rod <rodgis44@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 6:31 AM Subject: HIV or not  Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Thank you Randall I'm one of those who are silent. This group has helped me so much. I always wanted to stop meds but I did not have information. When I joined this group I simple stop meds and I'm now 17 months since I stopped. I'm doing fine with the alternative treatments I find in this group. Don has motivated me so much I think him for that but I say to him he must not be a coward. People don't like to hear new things that's why its difficult to them to adapt to change. As for me I know how bad medication was to me I took it for 5 years. Thanks to all the people who made me to see the other way. Let's fight Aids not a man. Ivy Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device HIV or not  Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Wow Ivy, thank you so much for posting that powerful testimony!  You see guys, that proves my point.  I am not making this stuff up.  There are people out there who never speak a word in this group and whether you know it or not, you may be helping someone.  Even if it's only one person, doesn't that mean something?  I almost went into tears when I read Ivy's message.  God bless you Ivy and I wish you the best of health in your brave decision.  Yes Don, just like Ivy says, don't be a coward.  Stick around and if you must at times, just take a break but don't bail out.  Ivy just proved that just when you thought you weren't helping someone, in fact you were.  That should make you feel great Don!  Wow, powerful. Randall ________________________________ From: nokusa ivy xhantini <nxhantini@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: HIV or not  Thank you Randall I'm one of those who are silent. This group has helped me so much. I always wanted to stop meds but I did not have information. When I joined this group I simple stop meds and I'm now 17 months since I stopped. I'm doing fine with the alternative treatments I find in this group. Don has motivated me so much I think him for that but I say to him he must not be a coward. People don't like to hear new things that's why its difficult to them to adapt to change. As for me I know how bad medication was to me I took it for 5 years. Thanks to all the people who made me to see the other way. Let's fight Aids not a man. Ivy Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device HIV or not  Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Dear God, save us! You know we wish each other the best but " where there's hunger and misery, all scold for nothing and no one is right " . God save us all, help us to understand each other and share our ideas as " any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fail " . If we stigmatize our self or something similar, what about the others...God Bless us all! Jey Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone HIV or not  Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I like this group, even though I may at time no be able to keep up. I find comfort here. Thank you. Love, Live, and Laugh ________________________________ From: Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...> " cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS > Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 4:07:47 PM Subject: Re: HIV or not Wow Ivy, thank you so much for posting that powerful testimony! You see guys, that proves my point. I am not making this stuff up. There are people out there who never speak a word in this group and whether you know it or not, you may be helping someone. Even if it's only one person, doesn't that mean something? I almost went into tears when I read Ivy's message. God bless you Ivy and I wish you the best of health in your brave decision. Yes Don, just like Ivy says, don't be a coward. Stick around and if you must at times, just take a break but don't bail out. Ivy just proved that just when you thought you weren't helping someone, in fact you were. That should make you feel great Don! Wow, powerful. Randall ________________________________ From: nokusa ivy xhantini <nxhantini@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: HIV or not Thank you Randall I'm one of those who are silent. This group has helped me so much. I always wanted to stop meds but I did not have information. When I joined this group I simple stop meds and I'm now 17 months since I stopped. I'm doing fine with the alternative treatments I find in this group. Don has motivated me so much I think him for that but I say to him he must not be a coward. People don't like to hear new things that's why its difficult to them to adapt to change. As for me I know how bad medication was to me I took it for 5 years. Thanks to all the people who made me to see the other way. Let's fight Aids not a man. Ivy Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device HIV or not Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 That really means a lot Ivy, that's why I'm here for people like you. Medications were just eating me away for the 6 months I was on them, once I stopped them, educated myself and found out the numbers were meaning less I felt in control. And here I am 3 years later never had even a common cold of a cough. We have to take care of our bodies and ARV's just do so much harm to you. Ivy I'm so glad to hear you're doing well. God Bless you :-) From: nokusa ivy xhantini <nxhantini@...> Subject: Re: HIV or not cures for AIDS Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 1:35 PM  Thank you Randall I'm one of those who are silent. This group has helped me so much. I always wanted to stop meds but I did not have information. When I joined this group I simple stop meds and I'm now 17 months since I stopped. I'm doing fine with the alternative treatments I find in this group. Don has motivated me so much I think him for that but I say to him he must not be a coward. People don't like to hear new things that's why its difficult to them to adapt to change. As for me I know how bad medication was to me I took it for 5 years. Thanks to all the people who made me to see the other way. Let's fight Aids not a man. Ivy Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device HIV or not  Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Who said I was leaving? lol I'm not leaving. I'm here to stay. From: Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...> Subject: Re: HIV or not " cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS > Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 3:07 PM  Wow Ivy, thank you so much for posting that powerful testimony!  You see guys, that proves my point.  I am not making this stuff up.  There are people out there who never speak a word in this group and whether you know it or not, you may be helping someone.  Even if it's only one person, doesn't that mean something?  I almost went into tears when I read Ivy's message.  God bless you Ivy and I wish you the best of health in your brave decision.  Yes Don, just like Ivy says, don't be a coward.  Stick around and if you must at times, just take a break but don't bail out.  Ivy just proved that just when you thought you weren't helping someone, in fact you were.  That should make you feel great Don!  Wow, powerful. Randall ________________________________ From: nokusa ivy xhantini <nxhantini@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: HIV or not  Thank you Randall I'm one of those who are silent. This group has helped me so much. I always wanted to stop meds but I did not have information. When I joined this group I simple stop meds and I'm now 17 months since I stopped. I'm doing fine with the alternative treatments I find in this group. Don has motivated me so much I think him for that but I say to him he must not be a coward. People don't like to hear new things that's why its difficult to them to adapt to change. As for me I know how bad medication was to me I took it for 5 years. Thanks to all the people who made me to see the other way. Let's fight Aids not a man. Ivy Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device HIV or not  Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Don, I'm doing fine and I'm not scared anymore. After reading the posts in this group it took me seconds to decide to quit meds because I always had questions about the whole case of AIDs but I had no one to answer my questions. My skin looks so bright and beautiful. I thank this group. Ivy Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device HIV or not  Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 That just made my day Ivy :-) this truly warms my heart. I had my skin glowing too, after it had been dried up because of the ARVs. And the not being scared part is the best part. I was so scared too, so scared I had thoughts of ending my life. But I'm not scared anymore also. After you being to question things and find the answers and know there's others like you too, the world just seems to be a better place because you know that above all this there is hope :-) Keep up the good work Ivy, hugs to you!! -Don J From: nokusa ivy xhantini <nxhantini@...> Subject: Re: HIV or not cures for AIDS Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 1:35 PM  Thank you Randall I'm one of those who are silent. This group has helped me so much. I always wanted to stop meds but I did not have information. When I joined this group I simple stop meds and I'm now 17 months since I stopped. I'm doing fine with the alternative treatments I find in this group. Don has motivated me so much I think him for that but I say to him he must not be a coward. People don't like to hear new things that's why its difficult to them to adapt to change. As for me I know how bad medication was to me I took it for 5 years. Thanks to all the people who made me to see the other way. Let's fight Aids not a man. Ivy Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device HIV or not  Well, guys, this is too depressing. I'm confused enough already and to read your bickering doesn't help my already wounded spirit. So keep arguing and enjoy it -- you obviously do. I understand the anger, the frustration, the rage about having whatever it is we/I have. If it isn't HIV/HCV, then it's something else, and I'll just have to live with it until someone can prove something one way or the other. So I hope you all have a good life, live long, stay as healthy as possible, and learn to deal in a positive way with the confusion, if you have it. I won't be here to see your replies, so Sayanara! May the truth be out sooner than later! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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