DMSO

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Gordon, Thanks for your reply concerning the use of DMSO. Would it be possible to get testosterone powder/liquid, mix it with a skin creme + DMSO and apply it safely/effectively to one's scrotum? If this would not cause a spike of T (which might lead to unwanted physical effects), then that would seem to be a bank account friendly solution to the T problem. There would, of course, remain the need for T level testing (saliva?) from time to time. Can you think of a better combination for the creme--possibly adding something to slow the T absorption or utilization rate, if that would be advisable? I have been using DMSO for a variety of cures, including arthritis, bruises and muscle strains, for years. The breath odor is so miniscule as to be unnoticeable unless I am smooching my sweetie pie. Since it gets into the blood stream almost immediately and thus goes rapidly to the tongue, the taste, though mild, takes a little getting used to. Does anyone in this discussion group know of any bad side effects on the liver from long term use of DMSO? The book on this substance says there are none, but I have heard rumors to the contrary. F. M. "Sunny" Richbourg

Yes in fact body builders sometimes use DMSO to self-administer a certain veterinary steroid called Finaplix (sp?). Finaplix comes in solid pellet form and is designed to be inserted under the skin of farm animals. Some BB'ers grind the pellets into powder and dissolve the powder in DMSO gel, which they then apply to their skin. DMSO would likely be a great vehicle for transdermal prohormones and the like, though I understand it does not have a very pleasant smell. DMSO can be purchased at www.dmso.com -gts Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Would it be better to administer GH or various anabolics with DMSO? I think

the molecule has to be small enough for the DMSO to " escort " it through the

skin. Doesnt molecular weight have something to do with the size of the

molecule? How could we find out more?

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>Subject: DMSO

>Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:55:21 -0400

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>F. M. Richbourg wrote:

>

> > Come to think of it, perhaps [DMSO] would be a good way to get

> > secretagogues and/or Testosterone, etc., into the blood stream

> > undamaged by digestive juices. Hmmmmmmmm.

>

>Yes in fact body builders sometimes use DMSO to self-administer a certain

>veterinary steroid called Finaplix (sp?). Finaplix comes in solid pellet

>form and is designed to be inserted under the skin of farm animals. Some

>BB'ers grind the pellets into powder and dissolve the powder in DMSO gel,

>which they then apply to their skin. DMSO would likely be a great vehicle

>for transdermal prohormones and the like, though I understand it does not

>have a very pleasant smell.

>

>DMSO can be purchased at www.dmso.com

>

>-gts

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Never use anything other than the DMSO and the " subject " to be absorbed.

Unless you want skincreme in your blood, which is highly inadvisable, you

will amend your DMSO technique. It is a tool, and when you dont use it

right it bite you in the ass. Hard.

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You might try the testosterone patch to keep the level even and use the

dsmo separately.

You are right about the molecules, each substance is unique as to the

carrier it requires to be transported through the skin.

The theory is that the transdermal route bypasses the liver, to a much

greater extent than the oral route.

I know there are creams than transport estrogen and progesterone, there

is probably one with testosterone for a more individualized. temporary,

dosage.

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Would it be better to administer GH or various anabolics with DMSO? I

think the molecule has to be small enough for the DMSO to " escort " it

through the skin. Doesnt molecular weight have something to do with the

size of the molecule? How could we find out more?

From: " gordon " <gts@...>

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Subject: DMSO

Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:55:21 -0400

F. M. Richbourg wrote:

Come to think of it, perhaps [DMSO] would be a good way to get

secretagogues and/or Testosterone, etc., into the blood stream undamaged

by digestive juices. Hmmmmmmmm.

Yes in fact body builders sometimes use DMSO to self-administer a

certain veterinary steroid called Finaplix (sp?). Finaplix comes in

solid pellet form and is designed to be inserted under the skin of farm

animals. Some BB'ers grind the pellets into powder and dissolve the

powder in DMSO gel, which they then apply to their skin. DMSO would

likely be a great vehicle for transdermal prohormones and the like,

though I understand it does not have a very pleasant smell.

DMSO can be purchased at www.dmso.com

-gts

Sue-Ellen Bowman

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There are no long-term " negative " effects from using DMSO. The breakdown

products are two methyl groups (CH3) and sulfur. These are essential

nutrients and are no toxic to the body in any way, shape or form

Joe

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bikeice@... Date: Sun, May 21, 2000, 2:14am To:

longevityegroups Subject: Re: DMSO Reply to:

longevityegroups

  There are no long-term " negative " effects from using DMSO. The

breakdown products are two methyl groups (CH3) and sulfur. These are

essential nutrients and are no toxic to the body in any way, shape or

form Joe

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What do you find this most effective for, how long does it last?

Sue-Ellen Bowman

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bikeice@... wrote:

>

> There are no long-term " negative " effects from using DMSO.

>

Although DMSO's relatively non-toxic, it is possible to become allergic

to it. When I apply it, I get welts that take weeks to go away. (Was

using pharmaceutical grade stuff, so I'm pretty sure it's not a

contaminant causing the problem). So far, I've no problem with MSM.

Sulfur-containing compounds are a particular favourite in my regimen, so

I was pretty disappointed to have DMSO 'off the menu'.

On rising (and at least 45 min. before b'fst, which usually includes a

couple of hardboiled eggs), and once later each day on an empty stomach

I take:

500 mg. N-acetyl cystiene

100 mg. Thiamine

500 mg. MSM

250 mg. Lipoic acid

I usually get at least five cloves of garlic daily as well.

(I'm only listing the sulfurous stuff....)

I'd be interested in mercaptoethanolamine were it available. Any one

have any experience with it?

There have been a few fatalities with folk applying DMSO, then going to

spray the garden with insecticide... and the matter of contaminants in

DMSO is particulary serious given that they may 'ride' the molecule

right into yr body fluids, so I'd think it prudent to use pharmaceutical

grade, if you use it at all.

N.

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Nijusan,

Great regimen, but don't you mean Alpha lipoic acid. I have been using

glucacides which is suppose to stay int he body longer than ALA. Also I

have heard that the area where you apply DMSO should be cleaned thouroughly

before applying. As you mentioned, I have had very good results with MSM

about 750 mg daily.

Dale

Nijusan wrote:

> bikeice@... wrote:

> >

> > There are no long-term " negative " effects from using DMSO.

> >

>

> Although DMSO's relatively non-toxic, it is possible to become allergic

> to it. When I apply it, I get welts that take weeks to go away. (Was

> using pharmaceutical grade stuff, so I'm pretty sure it's not a

> contaminant causing the problem). So far, I've no problem with MSM.

>

> Sulfur-containing compounds are a particular favourite in my regimen, so

> I was pretty disappointed to have DMSO 'off the menu'.

>

> On rising (and at least 45 min. before b'fst, which usually includes a

> couple of hardboiled eggs), and once later each day on an empty stomach

> I take:

> 500 mg. N-acetyl cystiene

> 100 mg. Thiamine

> 500 mg. MSM

> 250 mg. Lipoic acid

>

> I usually get at least five cloves of garlic daily as well.

>

> (I'm only listing the sulfurous stuff....)

>

> I'd be interested in mercaptoethanolamine were it available. Any one

> have any experience with it?

>

> There have been a few fatalities with folk applying DMSO, then going to

> spray the garden with insecticide... and the matter of contaminants in

> DMSO is particulary serious given that they may 'ride' the molecule

> right into yr body fluids, so I'd think it prudent to use pharmaceutical

> grade, if you use it at all.

>

> N.

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I have been using

> glucacides which is suppose to stay int he body longer than ALA.

You mean 'glucosides', no? Hmmm,,,, always game for a new drug! Tell

me more pls...source, etc....

After the last post, I thunk of another sulfurous stuff I use;

Brocolli sprouts, well chewed (source of sulforaphane)

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Sunny,

> Would it be possible to get testosterone powder/liquid, mix it with a skin

> creme + DMSO and apply it safely/effectively to one's scrotum?

It should work in theory, though as someone else mentioned you would want to

be sure the skin cream was safe. Probably it woul be better just to use DMSO

gel and skip the cream. DMSO gel is for sale at www.dmso.com

> then that would seem to be a bank account friendly solution to the T

problem.

Perhaps, though I don't know about the price of pure testosterone powder, or

how you would obtain it as a consumer.

> Does anyone in this discussion group know of any bad side effects on the

liver

> from long term use of DMSO? The book on this substance says there are

none,

> but I have heard rumors to the contrary.

I'm not sure about the effects on the liver, if any. If you have read a book

about DMSO then you already know more than me about the subject.

-gts

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jason,

> Would it be better to administer GH or various anabolics with DMSO?

Anabolics, perhaps, but I think not GH. GH is a very large molecule. I think

you are correct that the molecular weight of the substance is an important

factor.

-gts

> I think

> the molecule has to be small enough for the DMSO to " escort " it through

the

> skin. Doesnt molecular weight have something to do with the size of the

> molecule? How could we find out more?

[Guest guest]

If memory serves, molecules gotta' be under ~1000 MW (molecular

weight)to be absorbed across skin or mucosa.

N.

[Guest guest]

According to someone of unknown credibility (i.e., I read it on a message

board somewhere on the net), DMSO will pass molecules with molecular weight

up to 3000.

-gts

Re: DMSO

>

>

> If memory serves, molecules gotta' be under ~1000 MW (molecular

> weight)to be absorbed across skin or mucosa.

> N.

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I suspect you used it too strong.

I remember it being reccomended at 70% strength.

Chuck

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On Sun, 21 May 2000 07:56:02 -0700, Nijusan <nijusan@...> wrote:

>Although DMSO's relatively non-toxic, it is possible to become allergic

>to it. When I apply it, I get welts that take weeks to go away. (Was

>using pharmaceutical grade stuff, so I'm pretty sure it's not a

>contaminant causing the problem). So far, I've no problem with MSM.

[Guest guest]

DMSO is effective for most musculo-skeletal problems including stains,

sprains, tendonitis, bursitis, neuropathic pian, etc. It typically takes 3- 7

days to take effect

and seems to work in about 80% of the cases I have used it on.

Joe

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Sue-Ellen,

I have used DMSO to completely cure very painful arthritis in my right knee in only a few weeks. I also stopped eating sugar, started taking glucosamine, shark cartiledge, MSM, and other things orally. DMSO has an amazing capability to heal by means yet unknown (may stimulate added circulation in the area where applied) and it is a great pain reliever. I now use it on pulled or bruised muscles and it is effective for that beyond anything else I know. Professional athletes have been using it as a healing agent for various injuries for many years.

The book, DMSO, by , details many ways in which this almost miraculous substance has been used to heal the human body. I have purchased mine from vitaminshoppe.com (40% off this month) for a long time. Cutting edge arthritis clinics use IVs containing DMSO in various solutions to cure extreme cases.

One important caution: never use DMSO for humans which has been sufficiently purified only for horses, etc., and read the book before you consider using it at all.

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Nijusan,

Dr. "Batman" writes in Your Bodies Many Cries for Water that allergies are due to insufficient water intake. You might try increasing that part of your diet to something in the area of 3 quarts or so (if it is below that) and see if your allergy to DMSO goes away.

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The book on DMSO indicates that a 5 % solution is as effective as anything greater, so, if you use it, use the least amount possible to help avoid breath odor problems and possible allergies.

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" F. M. Richbourg " wrote:

>

>

>

> Nijusan,

>

> Dr. " Batman " writes in Your Bodies Many Cries for Water that allergies

> are due to insufficient water intake. You might try increasing that

> part of your diet to something in the area of 3 quarts or so (if it is

> below that) and see if your allergy to DMSO goes away.

>

> F. M. Richbourg

>

Does he likewise have a way a rinsing one's current blood-type away?

Clearly he's redefined 'allergy'. I understand that above the

recommended eight glasses a day, there's no benefit: nephrons just don't

work that way. Neither do immune cells... [please don't ask _me_ to

provide an anatomy/physiology lesson... surely there are " real " medical

books somewhere within your reach?]

Becouse DMSO is so easily avoided, I don't see the allergy I've

developed to it as a problem. Folks become allergic to strawberries;

now there's a heartbreaker!

Honestly, best wishes on yr therapeutic mode... but I'd think it a

disservice to advise anyone with a serious allergy to deliberately

re-expose themselves to the offending agent. Were anaphylaxis to occur,

would you advise epinephrine or H20?

[rhetorical question]

Nijusan

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I am brand new to the list and love all the information exchanged. Thank you

all!

Does MSM lotion have a similar effect as DMSO in driving substances deep to

the bone?

I have heard that it does, and that MSM is the " active ingredient " or a

derivitive of, DMSO.

Anybody have an opinion?

Steve Hamlin

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Hi Carly,

Personally, I'm unsure of the use of B12 and vitamin C in this manner.

Try to remember that our use of some nutrients requires it's breakdown by our

stomach acids...which means that direct absorbtion through the skin might

nhot have the same benefits. I spoke with my veternarian recently about her

use of DMSO on dogs, cats and horses. She had one horror story of a family

who brought their dog in for a bath and flea dip. Later that day, they had

applied dmso to the dogs skin (I don't remember what they were treating it

for), but remaining molecules of flea dip were immediatly carried into it's

system and the dog died. The point being, this is a very active carrier

substance...make sure your skin is very clean and free of all chemicals,

fragrances, etc. Self-experimentation is often the only way we can learn

what works and doesn't with alternative/natural remedies. Just please be

cautious.

=^ )

w/peace

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> I have been crushing up sublingual B12 pills in water, placing the mixture

in

> the palm of my hand,adding DMSO then rubbing it up and down my arms and

> hands.

> I do this but wonder if the B12 is actually drawn into the blood stream by

> the DMSO. AND.....So... the question comes about...

>

> What things will and or may not be drawn into the body by using DMSO as a

> carrier.....i.e. would this be a good way to draw vitamin C right into the

> blood stream or Alpha Lipoic acid etc., etc.,

>

> Anyone have any ideas on the specifics of this and what ratios of

> substances will work best and are there any definite no, no's other than

the

> obvious as in toxic substances. ?

>

> Carly

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Hi Carly,

Yes. I agree. There are many substances vitamins etc that could be applied

directly into the affected area when DMSO is the carrier, but which ones?

No sense in re-inventing the wheel from experimentation, right? Someone

somewhere has all this information, even if it's incomplete.. Perhaps in

one of the books on DMSO? Or Medline? (I should check into that.)

Best Regards,

Colin Quinney

At 11:34 AM 12/15/00 EST, Carly Lyon wrote:

>I have been crushing up sublingual B12 pills in water, placing the mixture in

>the palm of my hand,adding DMSO then rubbing it up and down my arms and

hands.

> I do this but wonder if the B12 is actually drawn into the blood stream by

>the DMSO. AND.....So... the question comes about...

>

>What things will and or may not be drawn into the body by using DMSO as a

>carrier.....i.e. would this be a good way to draw vitamin C right into the

>blood stream or Alpha Lipoic acid etc., etc.,

>

>Anyone have any ideas on the specifics of this and what ratios of

>substances will work best and are there any definite no, no's other than the

>obvious as in toxic substances. ?

>

>Carly

[Guest guest]

I would strongly suggest that anyone who

applies vitamins with DMSO should only

use the highest quality supplements - those

that do not contain coloring or other

additives.

jp

> Yes. I agree. There are many substances vitamins etc that could be applied

> directly into the affected area when DMSO is the carrier, but which ones?

> No sense in re-inventing the wheel from experimentation, right? Someone

> somewhere has all this information, even if it's incomplete.. Perhaps in

> one of the books on DMSO? Or Medline? (I should check into that.)

>

> Best Regards,

> Colin Quinney

>

> At 11:34 AM 12/15/00 EST, Carly Lyon wrote:

> >I have been crushing up sublingual B12 pills in water, placing the

mixture in

> >the palm of my hand,adding DMSO then rubbing it up and down my arms and

> hands.

> > I do this but wonder if the B12 is actually drawn into the blood stream

by

> >the DMSO. AND.....So... the question comes about...

> >

> >What things will and or may not be drawn into the body by using DMSO as a

> >carrier.....i.e. would this be a good way to draw vitamin C right into

the

> >blood stream or Alpha Lipoic acid etc., etc.,

> >

> >Anyone have any ideas on the specifics of this and what ratios of

> >substances will work best and are there any definite no, no's other than

the

> >obvious as in toxic substances. ?

> >

> >Carly

>

>

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Yes, they are closely related, but No, MSM does not have that property of DMSO.

A quick search with an engine will turn up a LOT of good info quickly.

Chuck

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:03:20 EST, blackwolfh@... wrote:

>Does MSM lotion have a similar effect as DMSO in driving substances deep to

>the bone?

>I have heard that it does, and that MSM is the " active ingredient " or a

>derivitive of, DMSO.

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:03:20 EST, blackwolfh@... wrote:

>Does MSM lotion have a similar effect as DMSO in driving substances deep to

>the bone?

>I have heard that it does, and that MSM is the " active ingredient " or a

>derivitive of, DMSO.

Methyl-sulfonyl-methane is a derivitive of dmso, but doesn't have the

solvent/volitile type properties of DMSO. By the way, farm/feed stores that

carry horse supplies usually sell 99.9% pure MSM in 1lb bulk powder

containers...and it's WAY cheaper than buying capsules from the health food

store...$25-$30 bulk vs. $20-$30 for 60+, 100mg capsules. Buy your own gel

caps from a " whole foods " type store and fill them yourself. It's a big

savings and a great supplement for people using oxygen therpies.

=^ )

w/peace

wes bennett

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