My 5 concerns

[Guest guest]

My 5 concerns about HIV are:

1) stigma. This is an issue I am wrestling with now. Stigma not just about HIV,

but about being disabled and how other, non disabled people perceive that

2) Changing cocktails. My meds are working for now and I am doing well on them.

What happens when I have to change? My ID Doc is scaling down his practice. He

put a lot of effort, time, and research when he came up with my current

cocktail. Who will do my next one and how correct will it be?

3) Apathy in the HIV community. People with HIV have become complacent. Those

outside the HIV community, and that includes those in government who allocate

funding to us, perceive it as no longer a crisis. HIV is now a long term

manageable condition. Where does that leave funding? Already many programs we

enjoyed have had severe cutbacks. Will cutbacks continue? I suspect yes and they

will be more deep than ever.

4) Aging with HIV. How does one age gracefully with HIV?

5) Being financially secure. Reports say we are heading for a second, more

severe recession. I barely made it through the last one and those on disability

did loose ground financially. If we get hit with another recession how will each

of us do?

Already one in this group has been very helpful to me with the stigma issue. I

thank them very much for their support and honesty. What are the ideas of the

rest of you with the concerns I mention here?

Doug

[Guest guest]

First, I don't understand why you buy into HIV. If HIV hasn't been properly

isolated or purified, then how can it be in you? HIV has never been found in any

one's blood, never! The tests are for antibodies and having antibodies is a good

thing. The drugs are very toxic, too toxic for long term use. The latest study

found that they elevate liver enzymes and severely deplete Vitamin D levels

which can lead to cancer. Check out Alberta Reappraising AIDS Society to read

it. Not forgetting they have been linked to heart failure, kidney failure, liver

failure, anemia, cancer, and the dreaded " buffalo " humps. To me, there has to be

a better way.

In regards to the funding, check out the Fair Foundation, and see how much money

goes to AIDS. It receives more money, yet, has the fewest cases, than all other

diseases put together. Entirely too much money is being wasted on AIDS, since

there is no cure and no vaccine, and no proof that HIV causes AIDS. After

billions of our tax dollars being spent, where is the epidemiology study that

proves HIV causes AIDS, it is nonexistant! They could not prove that it is a

sexual disease either. Dr. DeCock from the WHO stated that for over 25 years the

threat of hetereosexual threat outside of Africa was misplaced.

To sum up, no direction isolation of the virus, no epidemiology study, no cure

or vaccine. Yet we continue to label people based on this flawed science.

Billion is pumped into AIDS. Enough is enough. I would encourage thoe who

believe as I do to contact their representative and try to get this changed.

[Guest guest]

DUH?!!!!

Re: My 5 concerns

First, I don't understand why you buy into HIV. If HIV hasn't been properly

isolated or purified, then how can it be in you? HIV has never been found in any

one's blood, never! The tests are for antibodies and having antibodies is a good

thing. The drugs are very toxic, too toxic for long term use. The latest study

found that they elevate liver enzymes and severely deplete Vitamin D levels

which can lead to cancer. Check out Alberta Reappraising AIDS Society to read

it. Not forgetting they have been linked to heart failure, kidney failure, liver

failure, anemia, cancer, and the dreaded " buffalo " humps. To me, there has to be

a better way.

In regards to the funding, check out the Fair Foundation, and see how much

money goes to AIDS. It receives more money, yet, has the fewest cases, than all

other diseases put together. Entirely too much money is being wasted on AIDS,

since there is no cure and no vaccine, and no proof that HIV causes AIDS. After

billions of our tax dollars being spent, where is the epidemiology study that

proves HIV causes AIDS, it is nonexistant! They could not prove that it is a

sexual disease either. Dr. DeCock from the WHO stated that for over 25 years the

threat of hetereosexual threat outside of Africa was misplaced.

To sum up, no direction isolation of the virus, no epidemiology study, no cure

or vaccine. Yet we continue to label people based on this flawed science.

Billion is pumped into AIDS. Enough is enough. I would encourage thoe who

believe as I do to contact their representative and try to get this changed.

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[Guest guest]

Noreen don't even bother, you're just going to sound like broken record like

me.  This group is contaminated beyond repair.  That's why Randal and Ed and

so many others leave.  I feel like I learned a lot and this group really helped

me in my journey.  Then at the time where was people here who shared the same

concern who are now silent and others who were trying to help and I ignored

their help because I was suborn and lost as well.  but not many people see this

group as a learning experienced.  They're just too focused on finding a cure

they're never going to find.  Knowledge is the cure for HIV/AIDS.

From: livingwithouthivmeds <noreenelaine@...>

Subject: Re: My 5 concerns

cures for AIDS

Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 5:24 AM

 

First, I don't understand why you buy into HIV. If HIV hasn't been

properly isolated or purified, then how can it be in you? HIV has never been

found in any one's blood, never! The tests are for antibodies and having

antibodies is a good thing. The drugs are very toxic, too toxic for long term

use. The latest study found that they elevate liver enzymes and severely deplete

Vitamin D levels which can lead to cancer. Check out Alberta Reappraising AIDS

Society to read it. Not forgetting they have been linked to heart failure,

kidney failure, liver failure, anemia, cancer, and the dreaded " buffalo " humps.

To me, there has to be a better way.

In regards to the funding, check out the Fair Foundation, and see how much money

goes to AIDS. It receives more money, yet, has the fewest cases, than all other

diseases put together. Entirely too much money is being wasted on AIDS, since

there is no cure and no vaccine, and no proof that HIV causes AIDS. After

billions of our tax dollars being spent, where is the epidemiology study that

proves HIV causes AIDS, it is nonexistant! They could not prove that it is a

sexual disease either. Dr. DeCock from the WHO stated that for over 25 years the

threat of hetereosexual threat outside of Africa was misplaced.

To sum up, no direction isolation of the virus, no epidemiology study, no cure

or vaccine. Yet we continue to label people based on this flawed science.

Billion is pumped into AIDS. Enough is enough. I would encourage thoe who

believe as I do to contact their representative and try to get this changed.

[Guest guest]

Don,

Do you really feel that knowledge is the cure for HIV/AIDS? Is that knowledge as

in education? I'm not sure. HIV/AIDS is a medical condition. It is real, not

only hypothetical. So while education/knowledge can help not spread it, to cure

it takes something tangible like treatment traditional or experimental.

This group is a learning experience for me too. It has been very helpful in

relieving some of my sideffects and many of the folks here are really cool. We

all need information from any source.

Re: My 5 concerns

cures for AIDS

Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 5:24 AM

First, I don't understand why you buy into HIV. If HIV hasn't been properly

isolated or purified, then how can it be in you? HIV has never been found in any

one's blood, never! The tests are for antibodies and having antibodies is a good

thing. The drugs are very toxic, too toxic for long term use. The latest study

found that they elevate liver enzymes and severely deplete Vitamin D levels

which can lead to cancer. Check out Alberta Reappraising AIDS Society to read

it. Not forgetting they have been linked to heart failure, kidney failure, liver

failure, anemia, cancer, and the dreaded " buffalo " humps. To me, there has to be

a better way.

In regards to the funding, check out the Fair Foundation, and see how much

money goes to AIDS. It receives more money, yet, has the fewest cases, than all

other diseases put together. Entirely too much money is being wasted on AIDS,

since there is no cure and no vaccine, and no proof that HIV causes AIDS. After

billions of our tax dollars being spent, where is the epidemiology study that

proves HIV causes AIDS, it is nonexistant! They could not prove that it is a

sexual disease either. Dr. DeCock from the WHO stated that for over 25 years the

threat of hetereosexual threat outside of Africa was misplaced.

To sum up, no direction isolation of the virus, no epidemiology study, no cure

or vaccine. Yet we continue to label people based on this flawed science.

Billion is pumped into AIDS. Enough is enough. I would encourage thoe who

believe as I do to contact their representative and try to get this changed.

[Guest guest]

Knowledge is the cure. So many have stopped the toxic HAART such as Onnie, ,

Tommy on (boxer) and so many more. Go to we are living proof or living

without hiv drugs.com. I was in the CDC worse category for full-blown AIDS and I

have been off the meds for almost 6 years. Like so many others, I am fine.

The problem is that many are buying into flawed tests and then live in fear. I

get it. Some are scared to take the meds and not to take them. Some are not

mentally strong enough to break away. But still, there is no proof that HIV is

real. It has never been found in any one's blood, NEVER! There are rewards for

any one who can isolate it, no one has collected these awards. An award is out

there for 1,000,000 dollars! They can't find a vaccine for something that

doesn't exist.

Bottom line, if one has health issues then find out what the " true " problem is

and proceed accordingly. If one is only living in fear, well, that is harder to

overcome but it can be done. I would be more afraid of toxic HAART and its

affect than the figment of unethical scientists.

[Guest guest]

Hello martin,

What do you mean? Because people in this group believe in HIV you unsubscribe,

is that correct? What's your point, HIV doesn't exist!

Thanks,

Jey

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

Re: My 5 concerns

I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that still

believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed. Best to

you folks.

Sent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that still

believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed. Best to

you folks.

Sent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

Hey Jey, you got it.

Re: My 5 concerns

I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

Sent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

Hello Doug Man,

Thank you for your input. I've wrote before about me: tested poz 2004, no meds

up to date. Tried mms, left, tried revivo. I am in between agree on Hiv or

disagree. That's why I questioned . If I get to 10 years without meds I

will take my decisions on this paradigm.

Thanks,

Jey

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hey Jey, you got it.

Re: My 5 concerns

I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

Sent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

Jey, quick question, do you believe you are still infected with HIV, given what

Dr. Luc Montagnier has mentioned about getting rid of it naturally.  I have also

done alternate therapies, hoping that T-cell counts would go up and praying for

viral loads to diminish but that's NOT going to happen because neither are

significant indicators of infection.  T-cells only go up when the body is being

Damaged by ARV's.  And viral loads are just a band of proteins and DNA.  Nobody

really knows that viral loads measure.  So at this point what are you searching

for and what are you hoping to accomplish?

From: sortedeles@... <sortedeles@...>

Subject: Re: Re: My 5 concerns

cures for AIDS

Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 11:47 AM

Hello Doug Man,

Thank you for your input. I've wrote before about me: tested poz 2004, no meds

up to date. Tried mms, left, tried revivo. I am in between agree on Hiv or

disagree. That's why I questioned . If I get to 10 years without meds I

will take my decisions on this paradigm.

Thanks,

Jey

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hey Jey, you got it.

  Re: My 5 concerns

  I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

  Sent from my iPad

 

[Guest guest]

That's my " imbroglio " with this life. One day I want to agree there's no Hiv and

I am not infected but other day I believe...now I am leaving the life waiting

for 2014 to come and then I will tell you something about this question. Roughly

I am 75% believer no hiv and 25 hiv exist! My single opinion!

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hey Jey, you got it.

  Re: My 5 concerns

  I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

  Sent from my iPad

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jey,

I have no question that I am still infected with HIV and that most of the

members in this group are infected with it. Once you get it you cannot get rid

of it. At best, all you can do is control it. I hope you do make it to 10 years

with this virus. I hope you hit 50 years with it and that your health remains

good.

I am not the best one for you to speak to because we disagree on the fundamental

basics of HIV infection. You are probably best off talking with Don and

others here that are more in his camp.

I am not familiar with MM's or Revivo. Who is ? Can someone fill me in on

these?

Re: My 5 concerns

I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

Sent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

Just start up a new group for people who don't believe HIV exists.  You won't

have to worry about me joining that group because I do believe HIV or

" something " aweful is being sexually transmitted.  I'm here because I do believe

in HIV and I'm looking for alternative ways to maintain my health with natural

supplements and therapies.  This group has however turned into a debate on

whether or not HIV exists and whether the meds are dangerous or life-saving.  Oh

not to mention the various posts about " fake HIV cures. "  My gosh.

Randall

________________________________

From: " sortedeles@... " <sortedeles@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Friday, July 1, 2011 5:38 AM

Subject: Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hello martin,

What do you mean? Because people in this group believe in HIV you unsubscribe,

is that correct? What's your point, HIV doesn't exist!

Thanks,

Jey

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

Re: My 5 concerns

I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that still

believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed. Best to

you folks.

Sent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

Jey, that's it buddy.  I have read that many can go up to 10, 15, and in a few

cases, even 20 years or so without meds before developing AIDS.  So to wait 10

years and see if you're surviving without meds is not really saying anything

according to the general concept about HIV/AIDS.  According to the general

concept, many are just fine without meds for many years after becoming infected

but during this time the virus is literally eating away at your immune system.

 Hey- that's what they say.

Randall

________________________________

From: " sortedeles@... " <sortedeles@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Friday, July 1, 2011 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hello Doug Man,

Thank you for your input. I've wrote before about me: tested poz 2004, no meds

up to date. Tried mms, left, tried revivo. I am in between agree on Hiv or

disagree. That's why I questioned . If I get to 10 years without meds I

will take my decisions on this paradigm.

Thanks,

Jey

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hey Jey, you got it.

  Re: My 5 concerns

  I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

  Sent from my iPad

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Randall,

We are all here to find out the BEST way to survivor and if possible overcome

the disease hopeful. I hope to reach 20 years without meds LOL

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hey Jey, you got it.

  Re: My 5 concerns

  I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

  Sent from my iPad

 

[Guest guest]

Well I don't say HIV doesn't exist.  I just want to see proof of infection, the

fact that test don't actually test for the virus but for antibodies and proteins

and knowing that anything from simple common cold or a vaccine can trigger that

positive response, I believe it's important to run more tests and begin process

of elimination then take another HIV test in 6 months.  Switzerland and other

European counties do that I don't know why the US and Africa doesn't.

From: sortedeles@... <sortedeles@...>

Subject: Re: Re: My 5 concerns

cures for AIDS

Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 11:47 AM

Hello Doug Man,

Thank you for your input. I've wrote before about me: tested poz 2004, no meds

up to date. Tried mms, left, tried revivo. I am in between agree on Hiv or

disagree. That's why I questioned . If I get to 10 years without meds I

will take my decisions on this paradigm.

Thanks,

Jey

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hey Jey, you got it.

  Re: My 5 concerns

  I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

  Sent from my iPad

 

[Guest guest]

is Noreen!

From: cures for AIDS [mailto:cures for AIDS ] On Behalf

Of DOUG MAN

Sent: 01 July 2011 09:13 PM

cures for AIDS

Subject: Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hi Jey,

I have no question that I am still infected with HIV and that most of the

members in this group are infected with it. Once you get it you cannot get

rid of it. At best, all you can do is control it. I hope you do make it to

10 years with this virus. I hope you hit 50 years with it and that your

health remains good.

I am not the best one for you to speak to because we disagree on the

fundamental basics of HIV infection. You are probably best off talking with

Don and others here that are more in his camp.

I am not familiar with MM's or Revivo. Who is ? Can someone fill me in

on these?

Re: My 5 concerns

I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this

changed.. Best to you folks.

Sent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

OMG, Jeronimo just revealed that Noreene is really a man!  LOL.  Just kidding!

Randall

________________________________

From: Jeronimo Mungoi <sortedeles@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Friday, July 1, 2011 6:33 PM

Subject: RE: Re: My 5 concerns

 

is Noreen!

From: cures for AIDS [mailto:cures for AIDS ] On Behalf

Of DOUG MAN

Sent: 01 July 2011 09:13 PM

cures for AIDS

Subject: Re: Re: My 5 concerns

Hi Jey,

I have no question that I am still infected with HIV and that most of the

members in this group are infected with it. Once you get it you cannot get

rid of it. At best, all you can do is control it. I hope you do make it to

10 years with this virus. I hope you hit 50 years with it and that your

health remains good.

I am not the best one for you to speak to because we disagree on the

fundamental basics of HIV infection. You are probably best off talking with

Don and others here that are more in his camp.

I am not familiar with MM's or Revivo. Who is ? Can someone fill me in

on these?

Re: My 5 concerns

I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this

changed.. Best to you folks.

Sent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

How to energize HIV meds to reduce

The toxic side effects ?

Will I spread HIV to my kids if I

Plan for a family ?

Please advice!

Thank you!

Marc

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:03 AM, sortedeles@... wrote:

> That's my " imbroglio " with this life. One day I want to agree there's no Hiv

and I am not infected but other day I believe...now I am leaving the life

waiting for 2014 to come and then I will tell you something about this question.

Roughly I am 75% believer no hiv and 25 hiv exist! My single opinion!

>

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

>

> Re: Re: My 5 concerns

>

> Hey Jey, you got it.

> Re: My 5 concerns

>

> I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you kidding me?  Marc how old are you?  I think sometimes you come on here

as a joke.  besides all you do is listen to your doctor so I don't know why you

come around asking questions on here.  Since you give into all the bullshit as

well, let me tell you YES! you're going to infect your wife or your husband and

you're going to have HIV positive born babies that are going to live a short

suffering viral life.  And medications toxicity can not be reduced.  you're

going to have to take in toxins to prolong your life 10 more agonizing years,

because eventually it will turn into AIDS, I'll send you more information to

your e-mail, is your email address still ur_ass2003@...?

>

> From: sortedeles@... <sortedeles@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: My 5 concerns

> cures for AIDS

> Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 11:47 AM

>

> Hello Doug Man,

> Thank you for your input. I've wrote before about me: tested poz 2004, no meds

up to date. Tried mms, left, tried revivo. I am in between agree on Hiv or

disagree. That's why I questioned . If I get to 10 years without meds I

will take my decisions on this paradigm.

> Thanks,

> Jey

>

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

>

> Re: Re: My 5 concerns

>

> Hey Jey, you got it.

> Re: My 5 concerns

>

> I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

But the doctor told me without the meds

I left about 2-3 years to live

With the meds I can live another

20 years ..

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:11 PM, Don <donjuan69uni@...> wrote:

> Are you kidding me? Marc how old are you? I think sometimes you come on here

as a joke. besides all you do is listen to your doctor so I don't know why you

come around asking questions on here. Since you give into all the bullshit as

well, let me tell you YES! you're going to infect your wife or your husband and

you're going to have HIV positive born babies that are going to live a short

suffering viral life. And medications toxicity can not be reduced. you're

going to have to take in toxins to prolong your life 10 more agonizing years,

because eventually it will turn into AIDS, I'll send you more information to

your e-mail, is your email address still ur_ass2003@...?

>

>

>

> >

>

> > From: sortedeles@... <sortedeles@...>

>

> > Subject: Re: Re: My 5 concerns

>

> > cures for AIDS

>

> > Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 11:47 AM

>

> >

>

> > Hello Doug Man,

>

> > Thank you for your input. I've wrote before about me: tested poz 2004, no

meds up to date. Tried mms, left, tried revivo. I am in between agree on Hiv or

disagree. That's why I questioned . If I get to 10 years without meds I

will take my decisions on this paradigm.

>

> > Thanks,

>

> > Jey

>

> >

>

> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

>

> >

>

> > Re: Re: My 5 concerns

>

> >

>

> > Hey Jey, you got it.

>

> > Re: My 5 concerns

>

> >

>

> > I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

>

> >

>

> > Sent from my iPad

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Well then take your meds!!!  Live long!! be his patient for the rest of your

life! 

>

> >

>

> > From: sortedeles@... <sortedeles@...>

>

> > Subject: Re: Re: My 5 concerns

>

> > cures for AIDS

>

> > Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 11:47 AM

>

> >

>

> > Hello Doug Man,

>

> > Thank you for your input. I've wrote before about me: tested poz 2004, no

meds up to date. Tried mms, left, tried revivo. I am in between agree on Hiv or

disagree. That's why I questioned . If I get to 10 years without meds I

will take my decisions on this paradigm.

>

> > Thanks,

>

> > Jey

>

> >

>

> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

>

> >

>

> > Re: Re: My 5 concerns

>

> >

>

> > Hey Jey, you got it.

>

> > Re: My 5 concerns

>

> >

>

> > I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

>

> >

>

> > Sent from my iPad

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

That is the most sensible thing I've heard you say. Coming from you I think

this is sarcasm but it sounds good.

I'm going away for the weekend. I'll reply to you Marc when I get back on

Monday. Hang in there. I hope everyone has a good holiday!

Re: My 5 concerns

>

> >

>

> > I am unsubscribing to this group. I do not wish to remain in a group that

still believes in HIV. I will concentrate my efforts to getting this changed..

Best to you folks.

>

> >

>

> > Sent from my iPad

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Just one thoughts from one human brain,

1. This one sucks. In 12 step meetings some announce not to discuss hiv

status. So anyone can discuss cancer, but hiv and aids are forbidden. It

is really pathetic. On the up side, all people in life have to make a

decision to be proud of themselves and appreciate those who have love or

intelligence. I can not be defined by others.

2. When I see a new doctor, I say what I was taking and they prescribe it.

Changing insurance could be a little tougher, but a doctor should be able

to write a reason to stay with something even if not on plan. I think all

hiv drugs are on plans.

3. A lot of money is still spent on hiv and aids. A lot of what Bill

Clinton works on is world funding of hiv work and that is one area where he

has brought money in from the richest men in the world who help him with

his work. HIV will compete with cancer, polio, etc., but people do give.

I'd say the answer to apathy is keep saying what you are saying. Go to a

street fair and work with a group to encourage volunteers.

4. The age expectancy difference is 3 years between a person without hiv

and a person on treatment with hiv. Eventually we will all creak, burp, and

talk about our stools and organs. The damage with hiv meds is that when

other meds are needed for aging, the side effects can add up. Drinking a

lot of water and avoiding other contaminants to the body, from medicine or

food, is good for anyone.

5. In California, a person with hiv automatically qualifies for medical.

One reason so much is said now is there is so much media. Economies are

always changing. The US economy with all its problems remains the largest

by far in the world and near the top of all economies. Relative to better

days, times can suck. Relative to being born in a country where

homosexuality has the death penalty or where excrement ends up in drinking

water, it is always an ok place to be. This goes for a lot of the world

we live in.

= Mark W 2 =

Owner of a significant cat.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:08 PM, DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> wrote:

> My 5 concerns about HIV are:

> 1) stigma. This is an issue I am wrestling with now. Stigma not just about

> HIV, but about being disabled and how other, non disabled people perceive

> that

> 2) Changing cocktails. My meds are working for now and I am doing well on

> them. What happens when I have to change? My ID Doc is scaling down his

> practice. He put a lot of effort, time, and research when he came up with

> my current cocktail. Who will do my next one and how correct will it be?

> 3) Apathy in the HIV community. People with HIV have become complacent.

> Those outside the HIV community, and that includes those in government who

> allocate funding to us, perceive it as no longer a crisis. HIV is now a

> long term manageable condition. Where does that leave funding? Already many

> programs we enjoyed have had severe cutbacks. Will cutbacks continue? I

> suspect yes and they will be more deep than ever.

> 4) Aging with HIV. How does one age gracefully with HIV?

> 5) Being financially secure. Reports say we are heading for a second, more

> severe recession. I barely made it through the last one and those on

> disability did loose ground financially. If we get hit with another

> recession how will each of us do?

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