Re: The truth.

[Guest guest]

If you want the truth you need to examine some of the content of Jay Levy's new

book! Lets not make stuff up just so we can sell ARVs, or get people to make

the mistakes you made out of spite! The more people who fall for HIV=AIDS and

take ARVS does not meant that that is the truth or a fact based position!

The title: 'HIV and the Pathogenesis of AIDS' by Jay Levy, third edition. The

next morning Crumb emerged with the following gems:

-------

P. 327: " Unresolved Mystery " of CD4 cell loss "

P. 328: " Studies with individual HIV isolates may not provide the correct

conclusions relating to in vivo pathogenesis. "

" The process leading to a reduction in anti-HIV immune responses, mirrored by

the loss of CD4 cells and CD8 cell responses, are not yet well defined. Most

likely, multiple factors are involved in CD4 cell loss… "

P. 329: " …relatively few infected cells show sufficient virus replication that

would lead to cell death. "

P. 331: " What causes a decrease in IL-2 (CD8 cell anti- viral factor) production

is not known. "

P. 333: " The reasons for this disconnect between viral load and CD4 cell count

are not known. "

P. 381: Drug toxicities: Overview: " While current anti-viral drugs have had

substantial effects on HIV infection and development of disease, the side

effects can be very harmful to the infected individual. These include

abnormalities in body fat distribution and in lipid and glucose metabolism,

cardiac disease, and pancreatic, liver, and kidney disorders.

P. XVI & XVII: Disclosure of funding for research " Conducted by my co-workers

and myself. " : First on the list: The NIH (Fauci's domain)

P. 10: " Therefore, the true nature of the envelope structure of an infectious

virion has not been resolved. "

P. 21: IV: Origins of HIV: A) Overview: " Thus, how, where, and when HIV emerged

in human populations and existed in various groups and clades are not clearly

evident. "

P.239: " The mechanism for anti-body mediated neutralization of HIV has not yet

been well-defined. "

p. 240: " Why certain laboratory strains (of HIV) passaged for months or years in

vitro, are very sensitive to neutralization by a variety of heterologous sera is

not clear. "

P. 246: " The clinical relevance of neutralizing antibodies remains unclear. "

P. 429: CONCLUSIONS: " Encouraging progress has been made in understanding the

pathogenesis of HIV infection…Nevertheless, the path toward eventual control of

HIV still requires major efforts toward immune restoration and the development

of an effective vaccine. "

" The exact mechanism toward CD4 cell depletion and immune deficiency are not yet

well defined, and its cellular latency, as well as several other features of HIV

infection, remain mysterious. "

-------

Jay Levy's conclusions speak for themselves...HIV remains a virus of mystery

(even though they have been studying it for 30 years!).

>

> Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

>

> A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

>

> The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test

is based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV

test. Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is

the question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test

result is based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the

virus was present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus. If there are

antibodies present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what

people think of that please?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let me specify that....He test positive for an Anti-body from a virus not THE

HIV Virus, how many times have I told you that anything can trigger that

Anti-body response.  A cold, a flu, a woman who's pregnant can also test

positive even a Vaccine because vaccines have viral properties to expose  our

bodies to that virus to make the antibody.  Where does it say that the

Anti-body he's responding to is HIV?  It's in the disclaimers that they don't

confirm the presence of HIV, that's why risk factors (also in the disclaimers

are used in conjunction to determine your status).  You need to really sit down

and fully do your home work and don't like the CDC or pharmaceutical companies

do it for you.  Thats why they have those disclaimers to cover their asses. 

Now go on your vacation!

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

 

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus. If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

LOL!  You guys make me laugh.  Happy vacation Doug!  We will miss you

(especially Don) so hurry back!  LOL.

Randall

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 2:12 PM

Subject: Re: The truth.

 

Let me specify that....He test positive for an Anti-body from a virus not THE

HIV Virus, how many times have I told you that anything can trigger that

Anti-body response.  A cold, a flu, a woman who's pregnant can also test

positive even a Vaccine because vaccines have viral properties to expose  our

bodies to that virus to make the antibody.  Where does it say that the

Anti-body he's responding to is HIV?  It's in the disclaimers that they don't

confirm the presence of HIV, that's why risk factors (also in the disclaimers

are used in conjunction to determine your status).  You need to really sit down

and fully do your home work and don't like the CDC or pharmaceutical companies

do it for you.  Thats why they have those disclaimers to cover their asses. 

Now go on your vacation!

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

 

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus. If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

Antibodies are the holy grail of medicine when it comes to curing any other

virus out there, but we are supposed to believe in the case of hiv that

completely opposite rules apply. It really doesn't add up. It just goes to

prove that most people are sheep and will go along with any explanation from

a doctor without question. If the medical community were so sure of their

theory, they should be happy for scientists to try to prove it wrong. But

they are scared the science will prove them wrong and so they fire any

scientist that disagrees, instead. They are cowards, or just know the

science would prove them wrong. Then they wouldn't be able to sell their

drugs. Money talks, folks. Stress is the single worst thing for the immune

system. So they do their best to stress you out with a lie: Do as we say

or it is only a matter of time until you are dead. Well, sure a death

sentence is very stressful and hard on the immune system. Combine that with

a bunch of toxic drugs, and people will certainly get sick.

So the big question is what is it that they are testing for when they do a

viral load test? The drugs are destroying something, but what? Whatever it

is must not be that bad, or you would think that people with no viral load

would automatically be healthy. But people are dying while on the drugs, so

clearly they aren't all they are cracked up to be. BUT, they help some

people that are very sick to feel better, so ??? What gives? They help for

the short term and kill long term? What is it they are killing that makes

people " get better " ? Could it be yeast in the body?

On Jul 2, 2011 4:01 PM, " Nonyo Biznazz " <nonyobiznazz@...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

A nurse once told me that she can't believe the Viral Load test was being used

at all for HIV, cos it picks up tons of other things, and it was NOT created to

detect HIV. Look at the writings of Kary Mullis, its creator. Doug man, YOU are

the one spewing dogma, and Don is definitely trying to get the truth out.

________________________________

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 12:27:59 PM

Subject: The truth.

 

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus. If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

Very good points .  You know the system very well.  I have been in

contact with Joan Shenton and other big names.  She gave me information on the

Re-thinking AIDS committee let me know if you'd like more information.  I think

you'll be great for this committee.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Mr.  yes many people in the medical community who think the same way

as your nurse.  This test should NOT be used at all.

From: Mr. <mr_man718@...>

Subject: Re: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 6:36 PM

 

A nurse once told me that she can't believe the Viral Load test was being

used

at all for HIV, cos it picks up tons of other things, and it was NOT created to

detect HIV. Look at the writings of Kary Mullis, its creator. Doug man, YOU are

the one spewing dogma, and Don is definitely trying to get the truth out.

________________________________

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 12:27:59 PM

Subject: The truth.

 

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus. If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

P. 429: CONCLUSIONS: " Encouraging progress has been made in understanding the

pathogenesis of HIV infection.Nevertheless, the path toward eventual control of

HIV still requires major efforts toward immune restoration and the development

of an effective vaccine. "

" The exact mechanism toward CD4 cell depletion and immune deficiency are not yet

well defined, and its cellular latency, as well as several other features of HIV

infection, remain mysterious. "

This is all true. How one decides this means HIV is a mystery is beyond me. He

is talking about immune restoration, a vaccine, and CD4 depletion. ARV's can

limit CD4 depletion but they cannot stop completely. I agree with this author.

Thank you for posting this.

Re: The truth.

If you want the truth you need to examine some of the content of Jay Levy's

new book! Lets not make stuff up just so we can sell ARVs, or get people to make

the mistakes you made out of spite! The more people who fall for HIV=AIDS and

take ARVS does not meant that that is the truth or a fact based position!

The title: 'HIV and the Pathogenesis of AIDS' by Jay Levy, third edition. The

next morning Crumb emerged with the following gems:

-------

P. 327: " Unresolved Mystery " of CD4 cell loss "

P. 328: " Studies with individual HIV isolates may not provide the correct

conclusions relating to in vivo pathogenesis. "

" The process leading to a reduction in anti-HIV immune responses, mirrored by

the loss of CD4 cells and CD8 cell responses, are not yet well defined. Most

likely, multiple factors are involved in CD4 cell loss. "

P. 329: " .relatively few infected cells show sufficient virus replication that

would lead to cell death. "

P. 331: " What causes a decrease in IL-2 (CD8 cell anti- viral factor)

production is not known. "

P. 333: " The reasons for this disconnect between viral load and CD4 cell count

are not known. "

P. 381: Drug toxicities: Overview: " While current anti-viral drugs have had

substantial effects on HIV infection and development of disease, the side

effects can be very harmful to the infected individual. These include

abnormalities in body fat distribution and in lipid and glucose metabolism,

cardiac disease, and pancreatic, liver, and kidney disorders.

P. XVI & XVII: Disclosure of funding for research " Conducted by my co-workers

and myself. " : First on the list: The NIH (Fauci's domain)

P. 10: " Therefore, the true nature of the envelope structure of an infectious

virion has not been resolved. "

P. 21: IV: Origins of HIV: A) Overview: " Thus, how, where, and when HIV

emerged in human populations and existed in various groups and clades are not

clearly evident. "

P.239: " The mechanism for anti-body mediated neutralization of HIV has not yet

been well-defined. "

p. 240: " Why certain laboratory strains (of HIV) passaged for months or years

in vitro, are very sensitive to neutralization by a variety of heterologous sera

is not clear. "

P. 246: " The clinical relevance of neutralizing antibodies remains unclear. "

P. 429: CONCLUSIONS: " Encouraging progress has been made in understanding the

pathogenesis of HIV infection.Nevertheless, the path toward eventual control of

HIV still requires major efforts toward immune restoration and the development

of an effective vaccine. "

" The exact mechanism toward CD4 cell depletion and immune deficiency are not

yet well defined, and its cellular latency, as well as several other features of

HIV infection, remain mysterious. "

-------

Jay Levy's conclusions speak for themselves...HIV remains a virus of mystery

(even though they have been studying it for 30 years!).

>

> Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

>

> A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test

tests for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral

response which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral

response without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus,

one that does not test for the virus.

>

> The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV

test is based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the

HIV test. Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That

is the question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test

result is based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the

virus was present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus. If there are

antibodies present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what

people think of that please?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Randall,

You are right to laugh at this foolishness. What Don is saying is that any key

will open a lock. NO! The key has to fit the lock in order to work. The same is

true for antibodies. An HIV antibody test will not register antibodies for a

cold, Hep C, or anything other than HIV. Being a man of science as he claims to

be Don should know this. Why he is telling this crap to us is beyond me. Don,

maybe you can explain why you are misleading us?

The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test

is based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV

test. Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is

the question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test

result is based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the

virus was present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.. If there are

antibodies present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what

people think of that please?

[Guest guest]

What more do you want me to explain Doug?!  Are you too  stupid or what?  Do

I not type in English?  I've explained the science and I have provided links,

videos, information in the past etc.  I'm just done with you, you're never

going to get it. 

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.. If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

The answer to your question Don is no, you do not type in English. I do not know

what language you type in but it is not English, Spanglish, or even Ebonics (not

even a language). How you got a degree is beyond me. Example: you wrote " It has

never been published because medical journals are runned by pharmaceutical

companies. " What word is runned? English is ran. I can read your writing and I

think most of us can understand what you are trying to say, but it is not

English. So the answer to your question is no. You do not type in English.

I want to end this name calling and personal disagreement because it is not good

for the group. Understandably people are tired of it. So Don, can we agree to

disagree and end it with that? How does that fare with the rest of you?

The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test

is based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV

test. Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is

the question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test

result is based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the

virus was present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus... If there are

antibodies present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what

people think of that please?

[Guest guest]

Seems like Doug Man would be happier in a group that discusses the latest and

greatest pharmaceutical treatments, and leave this group alone. Really, why stay

here?

________________________________

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 8:10:59 PM

Subject: Re: The truth.

 

The answer to your question Don is no, you do not type in English. I do not know

what language you type in but it is not English, Spanglish, or even Ebonics (not

even a language). How you got a degree is beyond me. Example: you wrote " It has

never been published because medical journals are runned by pharmaceutical

companies. " What word is runned? English is ran. I can read your writing and I

think most of us can understand what you are trying to say, but it is not

English. So the answer to your question is no. You do not type in English.

I want to end this name calling and personal disagreement because it is not good

for the group. Understandably people are tired of it. So Don, can we agree to

disagree and end it with that? How does that fare with the rest of you?

The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

I've stated before why I stay here. You guys are enlightening, including Don

. I care about each of you and you each have shown care & concern to me.

What more reason is there to stay in a group? Besides do not forget AIDS is our

enemy, not Don, or any one else. Let us not forget that.

Thank you for your question and comment. Now lets get on with it.

The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one

that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test

is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV

test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result

is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

LMAO! Spanglish, Ebonics, now you're being racist.  Thank you for the grammar

correction, I guess that part of your damaged brain is still functioning.  What

medical Journal has every published Viral loads coming out on healthy people?

LOL!! you're pathetic!  they're not going to publish that besides

Deusberg, Joan Shelton, Liam Scheff findings etc. 

And don't be talking about what is good for this group because they only thing

bad about this group is you talking our nonsense and confusing people with your

pill popping ways. 

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

You claim AIDS is the enemy yet you're the only one here pushing the AIDS

cause....MEDICATION.  That's what causes AIDS in the first place. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65BScPd5NZ4 & feature=player_embedded

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one

that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV

test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result

is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

Ouch!  LMAO.  Gotta admit- he got ya on that " runned " error, Don.  I could

see Doug just having a field day as he typed the response to that! 

Ok- so can we get back to alternative treatments?  

How's everyone's health and what are you taking to keep healthy?

Anyone planning on trying anything new? 

Randall

________________________________

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: The truth.

 

The answer to your question Don is no, you do not type in English. I do not know

what language you type in but it is not English, Spanglish, or even Ebonics (not

even a language). How you got a degree is beyond me. Example: you wrote " It has

never been published because medical journals are runned by pharmaceutical

companies. " What word is runned? English is ran. I can read your writing and I

think most of us can understand what you are trying to say, but it is not

English. So the answer to your question is no. You do not type in English.

I want to end this name calling and personal disagreement because it is not good

for the group. Understandably people are tired of it. So Don, can we agree to

disagree and end it with that? How does that fare with the rest of you?

The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

Thank you Randall. Love you!

The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test

is based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV

test. Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is

the question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test

result is based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the

virus was present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.... If there are

antibodies present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what

people think of that please?

[Guest guest]

LMAO!!! Don you do entertain me and my pill popping ways. I was not being racist

with my comment. I was merely identifying possible languages you might be using.

Reading about my damaged brain makes me think you like this name calling that is

boring everyone and is really off topic. Stick to the issue Don! AIDS! Not name

calling. Randall could be a good roll model for you. Pay attention.

The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test

is based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV

test. Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is

the question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test

result is based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the

virus was present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.... If there are

antibodies present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what

people think of that please?

[Guest guest]

Oh gosh, please don't put Randall's name into this war of the divas.  I have

enough problems of my own, lol.  

Randall

________________________________

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: The truth.

 

LMAO!!! Don you do entertain me and my pill popping ways. I was not being racist

with my comment. I was merely identifying possible languages you might be using.

Reading about my damaged brain makes me think you like this name calling that is

boring everyone and is really off topic. Stick to the issue Don! AIDS! Not name

calling. Randall could be a good roll model for you. Pay attention.

The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

Well since you admitted we're only here for your amusement, I'm complete

ignoring your bullshit from now on, and Randal he didn't " get me " with that

comment, you're just instigating now, I could give 2 shits what he has to say. 

I made my point and he understood me. 

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

Rolling my eyes, we're trying to get to the bottom of something to help YOU and

everybody else out and to you this is merely a " Diva quarrel "   dang this

message board has gone to shit.......

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

Don, will you f***g get over it and let's move on!  I'm sick of hearing it!

 Now I have tried to bring up other stuff but obviously you're still focusing

on the negative and whining.  Nobody wants to hear it anymore!  Next?!

Randall

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 3:09 PM

Subject: Re: The truth.

 

Rolling my eyes, we're trying to get to the bottom of something to help YOU and

everybody else out and to you this is merely a " Diva quarrel "   dang this

message board has gone to shit.......

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

thank you Randall

Love, Live, and Laugh

________________________________

From: Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...>

" cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS >

Sent: Wed, July 6, 2011 6:36:43 PM

Subject: Re: The truth.

Don, will you f***g get over it and let's move on! I'm sick of hearing it! Now

I have tried to bring up other stuff but obviously you're still focusing on the

negative and whining. Nobody wants to hear it anymore! Next?!

Randall

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 3:09 PM

Subject: Re: The truth.

Rolling my eyes, we're trying to get to the bottom of something to help YOU and

everybody else out and to you this is merely a " Diva quarrel " dang this message

board has gone to shit.......

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

Yes i will get over it since like only 4 people comment on this board anyways. 

As I said this board as gone to shit, it's better everybody to just log on to

other places and get information.  Facebook is the by far the best place plus

it puts a face on the people you care communicating with an you get to see how

healthy we all look.  There is tons of information out there and it's best you

just educate yourself on this subject matter.  I came here lost myself and now

I'm educated and in full control and not in fear, I hope you Randall get to that

point.  I'll be around but my focus has shifted to the other group I'm

dedicated too.  I suggest you all get on facebook and speak to people like

Desuberg, Joan Shenton, Baker etc.  It's much easier to reach these

people who are dedicated to this cause.  Because here we're not getting

anywhere.

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test is

based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV test.

Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is the

question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test result is

based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the virus was

present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus.... If there are antibodies

present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what people think

of that please?

[Guest guest]

We all understand you Don. Thank you for sharing.

The truth.

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don says: Randall, you test positive for an Anti-body NOT a virus!

A viral load test tests for the virus and viral particles. The HIV test tests

for antibodies, not the virus. A Geno & Pheno test tests for viral response

which to me is also testing for the virus. You cannot have a viral response

without having the virus. So there are 3 tests that test for the virus, one that

does not test for the virus.

The problem here is that it takes a brain to reach a conclusion. The HIV test

is based on a conclusion. There in lies the problem Don has with the HIV

test. Would one's body give a response to a stimulus that isn't there? That is

the question. The HIV test tests for antibodies to the HIV virus. The test

result is based on the premise that the body would only make antibodies if the

virus was present. Antibodies are one's response to the virus..... If there are

antibodies present the virus must also be present. I would like to hear what

people think of that please?