Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS

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Don, I'm going to call Aids clinics, hospitals, CDC, etc and find out if it's

true what you say about people who have died of Aids having t-cell counts in the

1000s or more.  I have never heard of that!  While I'm at it, I'm also going

to find out if it's common for athletes and other HIV- people to have t-cells

200 and below and still be healthy and the explanation for that.  Some of the

things you say sound far fetched but I'm gonna find out that's for sure.  Like

it or not, you just can't believe everything you hear (or read on the internet

for that matter).

Randall

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> > From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS

> > cures for AIDS

> > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM

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> > I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to

the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all.

If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and

tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of

thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to

read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may

hear.

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> > Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are

not on the HAART?

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A nurse in the first protocol I did told me there are people with 10 T cells

that feel great and others with hundreds that feel like shit. Health is much

more than just T cells. However less than 200 T cells is an AIDS diagnosis.

Viral load counts and T4/T8 ratio is better indication of health. Remember the T

cells one has may not be healthy cells.

Re: HEROS OF AIDS

Years ago one of my doctors admitted that yes, athletes have had low cd4's.

For years, mine were in the 60's. Now they are in the high fifties without

incident. Health is much more than CD4's. Amy Justice found that anemia and

liver enzyme counts were much better indicators of long life, I agree. Symptoms

are the key, if one is not doing well, the body will let you know.

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Hi Marc,

I cannot say if .20 is healthy or not. To me it is scary, but so is everything

about HIV/AIDS. What I can only tell you about the ratio is what I know. T4

cells are immune helper cells. They activate your immune system when it is

needed. T8's are immune suppressor cells. They shut the immune system down. A

normal immune system has more Helper cells (T4's) than T8's. Usually two to one.

When I started monotherapy in 1985 My ratio was 1.67. In the mid 90's, during

the first protocol I did I hit what the nurse called " parody " . My ratio then was

1. I had equal T4 to T8's. That lasted about 6 months then I flipped and had

more T8's than T4's. It has been like that ever since. I do not know how to

improve or change it other than a healthy life style, ie: good sleep, good diet,

moderation, etc. In the last few years my ratio has fluctuated between .63 and

..80. My last count was on May 24, 2011 it was .75. The last 3 counts my ratio

has been slowly getting better. I don't know why, but I'm not complaining, lol.

Like you my immune system is constantly in a shut down state. My guess would be

this is a measure of how difficult it is for your immune system to fight off an

infection. It is not a measure of how effective your immune system is. I do not

think that can be measured.

I would not worry about a ratio of .20. Just try to improve it with rest, a high

protein diet, vitamins, and a healthy attitude. Please let me know what it is

the next time you get your labs done. By the way, most people do not even know

what their ratio is. So I commend you on being well informed about your results.

Re: HEROS OF AIDS

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> > Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are

not on the HAART?

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Go a head, the information is on the internet as well and in youtube videos. 

If i can find that information so can you.....good luck. 

ps, I've told you before, the numbers are quite meaningless.

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> > From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS

> > cures for AIDS

> > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM

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> > I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to

the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all.

If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and

tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of

thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to

read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may

hear.

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> > Re: HEROS OF AIDS

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> > Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are

not on the HAART?

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