Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 You are absolutely right in everything you say. I even asked my doctor to extract blood from my own veins because I wanted to see the HIV under a microscope. I was a biology major at the time and I had access to equipment to allow me to see this. We had electron microscopes on campus. He said I couldn't. What the heck! But I want to see all this proof. i want test that actually detect the presence of a virus not an antibody, i want tests that measure nothing but the virus, etc. From: livingwithouthivmeds <noreenelaine@...> Subject: Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 9:06 AM  Don , Many are here with you who do not buy into HIV causing AIDS! I forgot to add that the virus has never been properly isolated or purified according to the rules of virology. Why doesn't the mainstream explain how one can pass antibodies to another? This is impossible except at birth. Why don't they explain why we are the only ones who uses the CD4 criteria in diagnosing AIDS? How are many successfully living without the drugs? Plus, HIV violates Koch's Postulates in 3 areas, it is not freely found in any one's blood or fluids, there are HIV negative cases of AIDS, and no animal model has ever developed AIDS. All of this and other discrepancies is just too much for many of us to sweep under the carpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 LOL!! I just called up my University today, a university that happens to have one of the best biology programs in the nation and I got the run around too. Studies of HIV are done NOT with an isolated virus but on unreliable TCell counts and viral loads. that's how they're colllecting data for HIV research. It's so pathetic. From: livingwithouthivmeds <noreenelaine@...> Subject: Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 12:29 PM  My doctor always tap dances around the issue. I asked him to biopsy my lymph nodes or to culture HIV. He refuses to do so. He states that this is only done at certain unversities. I find it odd that the newly discovered mouse virus, XMRV, can be cultured, yet, we are to believe that HIV which has been around a long time, can't. They refuse to admit that HIV is a failed hypothesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Don, That is cool that you had access to electron microscopes in college. Did you ever use one? If you did you had your chance to see your virus. The teacher could not give you permission to the scope for that purpose, however you could have done it yourself and no one would ever know. I doubt you would know what you were looking at. All you had to do was to cut your finger, make a slide, and put it in the scope. It would have been that easy if you really had access to an electron microscope. I would like to have been there with you, except I did not have HIV while in college. Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 9:06 AM Don , Many are here with you who do not buy into HIV causing AIDS! I forgot to add that the virus has never been properly isolated or purified according to the rules of virology. Why doesn't the mainstream explain how one can pass antibodies to another? This is impossible except at birth. Why don't they explain why we are the only ones who uses the CD4 criteria in diagnosing AIDS? How are many successfully living without the drugs? Plus, HIV violates Koch's Postulates in 3 areas, it is not freely found in any one's blood or fluids, there are HIV negative cases of AIDS, and no animal model has ever developed AIDS. All of this and other discrepancies is just too much for many of us to sweep under the carpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 There's a reward that i believe the Perth group has (not that I believe everything about the perth group) but the reward is a couple thousand or perhaps even millions for those who can show that type of proof for HIV. If it were that simple I'm sure there wouldn't be opposing sides. Wouldn't there? But I didn't have access at the time. The big research program didn't start til after I graduated. I only had HIV my last semester in college. But when i called today I was told the college doesn't specialize in viruses. But like u said nobody would know what to look for because nobody has really seen it other than in the " illustrations " the CDC has made for us. From: livingwithouthivmeds <noreenelaine@...> Subject: Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 9:06 AM Don , Many are here with you who do not buy into HIV causing AIDS! I forgot to add that the virus has never been properly isolated or purified according to the rules of virology. Why doesn't the mainstream explain how one can pass antibodies to another? This is impossible except at birth. Why don't they explain why we are the only ones who uses the CD4 criteria in diagnosing AIDS? How are many successfully living without the drugs? Plus, HIV violates Koch's Postulates in 3 areas, it is not freely found in any one's blood or fluids, there are HIV negative cases of AIDS, and no animal model has ever developed AIDS. All of this and other discrepancies is just too much for many of us to sweep under the carpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Well, I go with my doctor regularly and i get my Tcells checked every 3 months. I Tcells are always in the 195-210 range. So my doctor wants me on meds. When I was on meds my Tcells were 500. But i felt like shit, had diarrhea, fatigue, nausea, you name it. But like i said studies in T-Cells show that healthy people have had a count of less than 200. Why? because the true T-Cell count is in the bone marrow not in the blood. HAART and ARV's make your body have high T-Cells because of all the damage they do to the body. When your body gets damaged by poison like that it makes more T-Cells to make that repair. Those T-Cells make their way from the blood to the bone marrow but when you get your labs done and get blood extracted from the body you see many T-Cells because those Tcells are trying to get to the place they belong. AIDS patients themselves die with T-cell counts of over 900. you mean to tell me these CD4/T-cell count tests mean anything? lol From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM  I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Where did you learn your biology from? No. No. No. T cells are made in the bone marrow. They do their function in the blood, and after their life is done they are filtered out of the blood by the kidneys where the dead T cells are discharged from the body. T cells NEVER migrate back to bone marrow. Do you think they are salmon and go there to breed? Blood is the correct and best place to test the number of T cells in one's body. What they can not determine is how many of the T cells in the blood are healthy and active and how many are deformed and malfunctioning. A person with a high T cell count might still be in poor health. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 No, where are you getting that information! from the information that the CDC puts out there? Regardless where they come or where they go those number completely unreliable just like the HAART crap you try so desperately to push! T-Cell raise when there's damage done to the body, damage that ARVs do. From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 It sounds to me more like you are in denial. I do not know why you cannot face having this virus and what you need to do to live with it. You know we never get rid of a virus. Once you have it, you have it forever and that goes for all viruses from the common cold, to Herpes, to HIV. Viruses never go away. So don't fool yourself and everyone else. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 No you're the one in denial about what the human body can do! Viruses do go away! Herpes goes dormant it exists in all of us. Of course you're not going to hear that from your doctors because all they push are pharmaceuticals and we all know those don't cure! I WANT YOU to just present me with PROOF and TEST THAT ACTUALLY CONFIRM the presence of the virus, can you do that? Send a vile with isolated HIV then you can call me a fool all you want. Show me that these medications are not damaging the body!! you're the one presenting false claims and information!  You only serve those who don't want cures and those who make money! Doug man when are you going to admit who you're working for? You really can't be so aggressive about pushing a certain therapy unless you are getting compensation for it or something. I know you people go into group like these and try to annoy the hell out of people who are going against your pill popping ways. From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Hi all Why flu virus cure by itself after sometime But HIV virus do not work that way? I don't need to take flu meds everyday Do u?! Rgds Marc Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Don <donjuan69uni@...> wrote: > No you're the one in denial about what the human body can do! Viruses do go away! Herpes goes dormant it exists in all of us. Of course you're not going to hear that from your doctors because all they push are pharmaceuticals and we all know those don't cure! I WANT YOU to just present me with PROOF and TEST THAT ACTUALLY CONFIRM the presence of the virus, can you do that? Send a vile with isolated HIV then you can call me a fool all you want. Show me that these medications are not damaging the body!! you're the one presenting false claims and information! You only serve those who don't want cures and those who make money! Doug man when are you going to admit who you're working for? You really can't be so aggressive about pushing a certain therapy unless you are getting compensation for it or something. I know you people go into group like these and try to annoy the hell out of people who are going against your pill popping ways. > > > > From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS > > cures for AIDS > > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM > > I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. > > Re: HEROS OF AIDS > > Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 God never create a virus without a cure Please share a cure if anyone here Have stopped taking meds but still Doing fine for many years with a healthy Cd4 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2011, at 3:51 AM, Don <donjuan69uni@...> wrote: > There's a reward that i believe the Perth group has (not that I believe everything about the perth group) but the reward is a couple thousand or perhaps even millions for those who can show that type of proof for HIV. If it were that simple I'm sure there wouldn't be opposing sides. Wouldn't there? But I didn't have access at the time. The big research program didn't start til after I graduated. I only had HIV my last semester in college. But when i called today I was told the college doesn't specialize in viruses. But like u said nobody would know what to look for because nobody has really seen it other than in the " illustrations " the CDC has made for us. > > > > From: livingwithouthivmeds <noreenelaine@...> > > Subject: Re: HEROS OF AIDS > > cures for AIDS > > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 9:06 AM > > Don , > > Many are here with you who do not buy into HIV causing AIDS! I forgot to add that the virus has never been properly isolated or purified according to the rules of virology. Why doesn't the mainstream explain how one can pass antibodies to another? This is impossible except at birth. Why don't they explain why we are the only ones who uses the CD4 criteria in diagnosing AIDS? How are many successfully living without the drugs? Plus, HIV violates Koch's Postulates in 3 areas, it is not freely found in any one's blood or fluids, there are HIV negative cases of AIDS, and no animal model has ever developed AIDS. All of this and other discrepancies is just too much for many of us to sweep under the carpet. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Doctor argued with me and stressed That low cd4 only happens to HIV positive People ?? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2011, at 4:18 AM, " livingwithouthivmeds " <noreenelaine@...> wrote: > I still go to the doctor, as I love for him to see how well I'm doing without his meds. My t-cells remain in the high fifties. But generally, t-cells bounce all over the charts. Even olympic athletes have had low t-cells and certainly those people who are only labeled with AIDS due to having low t-cells. One wonders why the CDC added them to AIDS criteria, to boost up their AIDS cases? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 You just said it Don, the virus goes dormant. It NEVER goes away. Dormant is NOT going away. It is always there ready to strike again. What is wrong with you? Why do you have to argue when the facts are the facts? All you do is confuse and mislead people. Herpes does not exist in all of us! It is acquired just like all viruses and bacteria are. Do you think we are born with herpes? C'mon Don. If you were a case worker you should know better. But then, most of the case workers I've had don't know much and spread all kinds of incorrect information, just like you do Don. I guess you really were a case worker. Listen you, I never said the medication doesn't damage the body. I told you it is a balancing act enough to stop the organism, not enough to kill the person. Of course the medicine is poison that is why it is effective. If you think the medicine is damaging wait till you see what the virus does. You want to know who I work for, I work for you. With your best interest at heart. You just don't realize it. That is why I just about gave up on my local AIDS community. They don't even know who is helping them and who is not. Be well Don. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I'm ONLY talking about the Herpes Virus you dumb ass!!! Chicken pox, shingles, cold sores etc is all related! They are a part of out bodies. I'm not talking about HIV or other viruses they all don't behave the same way. For doctors to say you're always going to have herpes HPV is complete bullshit!!! I have seen that go away. You have to put it back into it's dormant state and there it will stay. you can push it dormant with the Amino Acid L-Lysine and with apple cider vinegar you can heal the infected outer tissue. As for HIV I dont' give a shit what you have to say, the ONE person that ISOLATED IT AND DISCOVERED IT, was Luc Montanier and If you weren't a complete idiot you'd listen to what he has to say. He discovered this virus NOT YOU!!! quit acting you're above everybody else here because you're not! You're just another moron with no solutions other than drugs! From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 The symptoms of a virus go away. The virus never does and it can flare up again at any time. Plain and simple. You may not like this Don, but that is how a virus is. Once you have Herpes, Chicken Pox, HPV, or any other virus, including the common cold once symptoms go away the virus is still in your body dormant and can flare up again at any time. That is why people get shingles, anal cancer, and a host of other things as well. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 yes Dougman I forgot you're a Nobel prize winning scientist. I forgot you have HIV isolated in a test tube and you know exactly how it works. From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 One more thing, you're claiming if we are full of viruses, well then to you, we are never well and we are always full of dormant viruses. That explains why you think the way you do. But like i said, I stick to what the credible scientists have to say. From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS cures for AIDS Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Yes Don, We are full of dormant viruses. How many times have you had a cold or the flu? Those viruses are still with you, but your immune system has them suppressed and under control. The virus is still there. It will never go away. If and when your immune system weakens it could rear its head at any time. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 It is a fact that we are full of viruses of all kinds and are constantly being invaded by bacteria. In medicine it is known as " the human condition " . The only thing we can kill and rid ourselves of is bacteria, and we do not do a good job of it. Re: HEROS OF AIDS Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Was told normal healthy people Have between 500-1000 TCells.. Not less then that range。　 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2011, at 4:03 AM, Don <donjuan69uni@...> wrote: > Well, I go with my doctor regularly and i get my Tcells checked every 3 months. I Tcells are always in the 195-210 range. So my doctor wants me on meds. When I was on meds my Tcells were 500. But i felt like shit, had diarrhea, fatigue, nausea, you name it. But like i said studies in T-Cells show that healthy people have had a count of less than 200. Why? because the true T-Cell count is in the bone marrow not in the blood. HAART and ARV's make your body have high T-Cells because of all the damage they do to the body. When your body gets damaged by poison like that it makes more T-Cells to make that repair. Those T-Cells make their way from the blood to the bone marrow but when you get your labs done and get blood extracted from the body you see many T-Cells because those Tcells are trying to get to the place they belong. AIDS patients themselves die with T-cell counts of over 900. you mean to tell me these CD4/T-cell count tests > mean anything? lol > > > > From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> > Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS > cures for AIDS > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM > > > > I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. > > Re: HEROS OF AIDS > > Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Hi Marc, That is right. In fact less than 200 T cells is considered to be AIDS. 500 - 1,000 is normal. Many people have over 1,000 it makes no difference, but under 200 is an AIDS diagnosis. Just out of curiosity, What is the ratio of your T 4 cells to your T8 cells. That too is very important to determine how healthy someone is. Re: HEROS OF AIDS > > Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 500+ is considered normal by what standard? Why won't they ever do Tcell testing on those that don't test hiv+? Cancer patients have suppressed immune systems, so why don't they test them? On Jun 3, 2011 7:39 PM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote: > Hi Marc, > That is right. In fact less than 200 T cells is considered to be AIDS. 500 - 1,000 is normal. Many people have over 1,000 it makes no difference, but under 200 is an AIDS diagnosis. Just out of curiosity, What is the ratio of your T 4 cells to your T8 cells. That too is very important to determine how healthy someone is. > > > Re: HEROS OF AIDS > > > > Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this message. > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 My cd4/cd8 ratio Is 0.20 please advice if it's healthy Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2011, at 7:39 AM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote: > Hi Marc, > That is right. In fact less than 200 T cells is considered to be AIDS. 500 - 1,000 is normal. Many people have over 1,000 it makes no difference, but under 200 is an AIDS diagnosis. Just out of curiosity, What is the ratio of your T 4 cells to your T8 cells. That too is very important to determine how healthy someone is. > > Re: HEROS OF AIDS > > > > Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this message. > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 People who have died of AIDS have had T-Cells in the 1000's or more, so T-Cells are what ever you want them to be to you. Athletes and other healthy people have had T-Cells below 200 and are very healthy and HIV-. ARV's are going to just damage your bone marrow and create more T-Cells to make up for the damage.  > > > > From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: HEROS OF AIDS > > cures for AIDS > > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > I doubt they know with any certainty. People not on HAART tend not to go to the doctor often so they do not get their T cells tested regularly, if at all. If you listen to many of the people in this group all of medicine is a farce and tests do not reflect real numbers. How often do you think one with that kind of thinking goes to the doctor or gets their T cells tested? I am curious myself to read the answers to your question. Do not believe all the great results you may hear. > > > > Re: HEROS OF AIDS > > > > Just curious, does any one mind telling us what their t-cells are who are not on the HAART? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this message. > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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