Re: I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

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Ok your going to have to explain that allot better. You have and never had a vl?

What's your Cd4#? What are they basing to say you have HIV? Im no sure I

understand Your point either. Are you saying people are misdiognosed or that You

can beat it through your lifestyle? Personally without a valere ever I wouldn't

believe any test. If your making the point about antibodies well yea different

peoples bodies produce different antibodies to fight off different viruses. The

antibodies that fight HIV will also attack other pathogens. I think it wreckless

of a medical professional to tell you you will never need treatment. They can't

know that! If I where you id live my life test once a year for your own piece of

mind and otherwise forget about HIV and aids. I do have a question. Do they say

you can transmit the virus? If not then with why even tell you You have it. Of

they say no then my question would be f they'd be comfortable having unprotected

sex with you. Sorry but Your post just gives me so many questions. Drue

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granburyrose <pmc1219@...> wrote:

>I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never

taken meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with

HIV.I have been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs

and I am vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs

or lived a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say

that I have it.I really don't believe that the test is correct but what can I do

about that? There is absolutely no reason to believe that the tests is accurate

by what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did

what it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are infected.I personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do

what I need to do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I

was susposed to have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling

just fine.There is also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several

studies and believe me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

[Guest guest]

..I absolutely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what can I do

about that?

The first thing you can do is get retested. I took the test 3 times before I

believed I was positive. The second thing you can do is get a viral load test

done. If you have a detectable viral load you are positive. If there is no

detectable viral load then get the antibody test redone. If there are antibodies

present you are positive. That is what being positive means. It does not mean

you are going to die. It just means that you have HIV. So do what you have to

do.

I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never

taken meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with

HIV.I have been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs

and I am vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs

or lived a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say

that I haveu it.I absoltely no really don't believe that the test is correct but

what can I do about that? There is reason to believe that the tests is accurate

by what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did

what it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are infected.I personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do

what I need to do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I

was susposed to have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling

just fine.There is also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several

studies and believe me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

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Yes for yrs since 2001 I went in every 3 months and had my viral load checked

and it was 0 and I have had my t-cells checked also and they have always been

1100 to 1200 everytime.I now go in every 6 months because they can never find

anything wrong with me and I see no reason to go any more than that.What I am

saying is that there are plenty of others out there just like me and nothing is

being done about people like me.I was told in 2001 that I would be dead in

yr.and I wasn't even sick and here I am 10 yrs later and I haven't even had a

headache and I am in perfectly good health.So It is a good thing that I didn't

take to heart what I was told.I just wanted to say that there really are people

out there just like me so we do exist.It is hard to live with it but it is also

hard to live with something that dosen't make you sick and you have to live like

your contagious EVEN though they can't find anything in your blood.I have no

reason to believe that I will ever be sick and I guess that is what my doctors

are going by because of my history.They can't find anything to worry

about.Apparently the first doctor was wrong.

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Thank you a ......

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Re: I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

Yes for yrs since 2001 I went in every 3 months and had my viral load checked

and it was 0 and I have had my t-cells checked also and they have always been

1100 to 1200 everytime.I now go in every 6 months because they can never find

anything wrong with me and I see no reason to go any more than that.What I am

saying is that there are plenty of others out there just like me and nothing is

being done about people like me.I was told in 2001 that I would be dead in

yr.and I wasn't even sick and here I am 10 yrs later and I haven't even had a

headache and I am in perfectly good health.So It is a good thing that I didn't

take to heart what I was told.I just wanted to say that there really are people

out there just like me so we do exist.It is hard to live with it but it is also

hard to live with something that dosen't make you sick and you have to live like

your contagious EVEN though they can't find anything in your blood.I have no

reason to believe that I will ever be sick and I guess that is what my doctors

are going by because of my history.They can't find anything to worry

about.Apparently the first doctor was wrong.

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I'm sorry Dougman but the PCR test used for viral load is not specific to HIV

and most people who are HIV negative have a viral load. Ask your doctor.

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On 21 Jan, 2011, at 6:20 AM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> .I absolutely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what can I

do about that?

>

> The first thing you can do is get retested. I took the test 3 times before I

believed I was positive. The second thing you can do is get a viral load test

done. If you have a detectable viral load you are positive. If there is no

detectable viral load then get the antibody test redone. If there are antibodies

present you are positive. That is what being positive means. It does not mean

you are going to die. It just means that you have HIV. So do what you have to

do.

>

> I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

>

> I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never

taken meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with

HIV.I have been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs

and I am vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs

or lived a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say

that I haveu it.I absoltely no really don't believe that the test is correct but

what can I do about that? There is reason to believe that the tests is accurate

by what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did

what it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are infected.I personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do

what I need to do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I

was susposed to have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling

just fine.There is also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several

studies and believe me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

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[Guest guest]

you do know there is a difference between an antibody than a virus right?  They

are 2 totally completely different things.

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: Re: I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:20 PM

 

.I absolutely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what

can I do about that?

The first thing you can do is get retested. I took the test 3 times before I

believed I was positive. The second thing you can do is get a viral load test

done. If you have a detectable viral load you are positive. If there is no

detectable viral load then get the antibody test redone. If there are antibodies

present you are positive. That is what being positive means. It does not mean

you are going to die. It just means that you have HIV. So do what you have to

do.

I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never taken

meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with HIV.I have

been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs and I am

vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs or lived

a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say that I

haveu it.I absoltely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what

can I do about that? There is reason to believe that the tests is accurate by

what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did what

it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are infected.I

personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do what I need

to do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I was susposed

to have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling just fine.There

is also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several studies and

believe me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

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Well as long are you are feeling and looking great keep doing what you are

doing.  It is possible for a healthy person to have a viral load and there are

people out there who don't have a viral load, based on what I have researched,

it depends on the person. As far as Antibodies go, antibodies are a good thing

when it comes to every other disease, but when it comes to HIV they use the

anitbody against you, why?  I don't know.  The purpose of Vaccines are to give

you the antibody so you won't get the virus.  Vaccines are loaded with the

virus to get your body exposed and immune.  But like I said, HIV is treated

different.  People who don't know the difference between a virus and antibody

will never understand.  Antibodies don't go away, they are meant to stay in the

body.  Medical professionals tell you, " as long as you have the antibody, you

have the virus " that's BS!  They know the antibody is not going to go away so

they scam people by using

that.  Then you get people like DougMan who are a complete confused mess. 

That's why we will never see an HIV vaccine because that will give HIV- people

the Antibody, then with everybody running around with the Antibody, how will

society know the difference between the people who are " infected " vs. the people

who are not infected?  Just think about it.

From: granburyrose <pmc1219@...>

Subject: I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 2:28 PM

 

I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never

taken meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with

HIV.I have been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs

and I am vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs

or lived a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say

that I have it.I really don't believe that the test is correct but what can I do

about that? There is absolutely no reason to believe that the tests is accurate

by what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did

what it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are

infected.I personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do

what I need to do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I

was susposed to have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling

just fine.There is also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several

studies and believe me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

[Guest guest]

I have had the tests repeated over the past 10 yrs.and it still says that I have

the antibodies.But yet I have never had a viral load.NONE!!!!!! They have done

an ultra sensetive test on me and it came back 2 or 3 times that there is NO

virus there.So I have to live perfectly healthy with this title over my head.I

think it is wrong.You can have the mump virus and not be catagious but with this

you are I am like the person who just replied and don't understand it

either. I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never

taken meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with

HIV.I have been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs

and I am vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs

or lived a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say

that I haveu it.I absoltely no really don't believe that the test is correct but

what can I do about that? There is reason to believe that the tests is accurate

by what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did

what it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are infected.I

personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do what I need

to do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I was susposed

to have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling just fine.There

is also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several studies and

believe me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Good one Don. Now for your quiz: What is a virus? What is an antibody? What test

tests for virus? What test tests for antibodies? If you get these right you pass

go and collect your $200.

I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never

taken meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with

HIV.I have been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs

and I am vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs

or lived a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say

that I haveu it.I absoltely no really don't believe that the test is correct but

what can I do about that? There is reason to believe that the tests is accurate

by what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did

what it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are infected.I

personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do what I need

to do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I was susposed

to have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling just fine.There

is also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several studies and

believe me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

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Hey, I say live your life and f**k the doctors.  Why do that to yourself?  I

agree with you.  Take care of yourself and live your life.  Eat healthy and

stay away from drugs.  The most important thing in the world is to be in love

with your life.  Sounds like you get it...  And there is nothing hanging over

your head unless you give someone permission to hang it there!

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: Re: I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:20 PM

...I absolutely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what can I

do about that?

The first thing you can do is get retested. I took the test 3 times before I

believed I was positive. The second thing you can do is get a viral load test

done. If you have a detectable viral load you are positive. If there is no

detectable viral load then get the antibody test redone. If there are antibodies

present you are positive. That is what being positive means. It does not mean

you are going to die. It just means that you have HIV. So do what you have to

do.

I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never taken

meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with HIV.I have

been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs and I am

vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs or lived

a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say that I

haveu it.I absoltely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what

can I do about that? There is reason to believe that the tests is accurate by

what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did what

it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are infected.I

personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do what I need to

do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I was susposed to

have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling just fine.There is

also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several studies and believe

me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Keep up the good work a and please stick around here and continue to share

your story.  Many people here will benefit from your presence here.

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: Re: I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:20 PM

...I absolutely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what can I

do about that?

The first thing you can do is get retested. I took the test 3 times before I

believed I was positive. The second thing you can do is get a viral load test

done. If you have a detectable viral load you are positive. If there is no

detectable viral load then get the antibody test redone. If there are antibodies

present you are positive. That is what being positive means. It does not mean

you are going to die. It just means that you have HIV. So do what you have to

do.

I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never taken

meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with HIV.I have

been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs and I am

vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs or lived

a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say that I

haveu it.I absoltely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what

can I do about that? There is reason to believe that the tests is accurate by

what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did what

it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are infected.I

personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do what I need

to do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I was susposed

to have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling just fine.There

is also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several studies and

believe me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

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Might as well just give me my 200, I have been over and over this.  It's people

like you that make me sound like a broken record because you can't get it

through your thick skull!  Go back and read my previous posts because it's all

there, and I know you have read them because you always reply with your bs!

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: Re: I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:20 PM

...I absolutely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what can I

do about that?

The first thing you can do is get retested. I took the test 3 times before I

believed I was positive. The second thing you can do is get a viral load test

done. If you have a detectable viral load you are positive. If there is no

detectable viral load then get the antibody test redone. If there are antibodies

present you are positive. That is what being positive means. It does not mean

you are going to die. It just means that you have HIV. So do what you have to

do.

I am a longterm survivor without ANY meds.

I was diagnosed in 2001 and I have never had a viral load and I have never taken

meds. I have great health and I have never had any health issues with HIV.I have

been told by my doctor that I will NEVER need medicine.I take herbs and I am

vegan and I exercise and live a good clean life.I have never done drugs or lived

a life that would warrant me having this but yet they say my test say that I

haveu it.I absoltely no really don't believe that the test is correct but what

can I do about that? There is reason to believe that the tests is accurate by

what I am doing.I believe that if I was exposed to the hiv then my body did what

it was suspose to do and it produced the antibodies to it and that is all I

have.I thought having the antibodies to anything was a GOOD thing? And I think

that that is all that is wrong with me.I happen to have the antibodies on that

test.The HIV tests is all it is .A test for the antibodies.It does not mean you

are infected.I

personally will continue to live my life without the drugs and do what I need

to do to built up my immune system.So far is has been 18yrs since I was susposed

to have been infected and I am still viral load free and feeling just fine.There

is also a lot of us out there.I have been enrolled in several studies and

believe me there is a lot of other out there just like me.Thanks

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