Re: Ok here's the deal!

[Guest guest]

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START WITH THE ORIGIN OF AIDS,THE DOCUMENTARY . THEN SEE THIS " SPECIAL VIRUS

PROGRAM " LINK BELOW, THEN COME BACK FOR MORE...ADREFORTHEWORLD

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Boydgraves.com_ (http://www.boydgraves.com/svcp/) In a message dated 7/28/2010

10:59:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nonyobiznazz@... writes:

Don, I'm just happy to hear that you look and feel great. Be honest tho:

Is there a part of you that feels a little bit afraid after seeing these

recent labs? You're one of the toughest characters here, but I know you

must get afraid just as any of us do. I try to be tough but there are times I

get a little weak but I try to not absorb myself in the negativity.

Randall

From: Don <_donjuan69uni@..._ (mailto:donjuan69uni@...) >

Subject: Ok here's the deal!

_cures for AIDS _ (mailto:cures for AIDS )

Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 1:04 AM

So I went to my doctor's. My T-Cells are 165 and my Viral Load is 17,000

so according to some standards I HAVE AIDS! Can someone tell my why I look

as healthy as I have ever been? Why I'm actually 25 pounds over weight,

why I haven't even gotten a cold in 13 months, why I'm so energized and I

have " AIDS. " I love my doctor and all but he was really trying to scare me

into getting on meds. I understood his concern and him not wanting to be

responsible for me getting sick and ending up on a death bed but I am NOT

going to get back on drugs. Numbers are bullshit I look and feel great and I

don't know what these " Labs " look for but it sure isn't in the interest of

the person's health. They probably measure Toxicity level. I'm not

worried about it nor do I care about what that damn piece of paper says! Mind

over body! It would be one thing if I was sick all the time and missing

work and not having the every to work out and go out dancing

every weekend but that's not the case with me. I'm cured and I know it.

HIV is just a passenger virus and I don't care what doctors or labs tell

you. Don't let them scare you! This is your health and your body you

should know it better. Medications are poison please don't resort to them.

Get

your rest, exercise, natural cleansers and immune boosters and eat well.

You'll be fine. The Health department is going to inform every medical

facility that I'm sick and I don't care! It's all part of the scam.

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[Guest guest]

Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you been taking them?

How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel over what you felt b4 you

started taking them?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Ok here's the deal!

Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

The results are true ?

I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on meds

immediately else life will be at risk to

Many types of infections and not able to fight off small infections..

I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was not sick

But doctor said viral load went up to

460,000.

What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

Sent from my iPhone

[Guest guest]

I just started going on meds yesterday..

So far have not experienced any side effects..

I was counselled by doctors who psycho me

Last time there was no meds for Aids people die within 10 years

Now Aids victims live a long life becoz of meds available..

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2010, at 09:22, lvnntn8832@... wrote:

> Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you been

> taking them? How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel over

> what you felt b4 you started taking them?

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Ok here's the deal!

>

> Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

> The results are true ?

>

> I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on meds

> immediately else life will be at risk to

> Many types of infections and not able to fight off small infections..

>

> I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was not

> sick

> But doctor said viral load went up to

> 460,000.

>

> What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don, I'm just happy to hear that you look and feel great.  Be honest tho:  Is

there a part of you that feels a little bit afraid after seeing these recent

labs?  You're one of the toughest characters here, but I know you must get

afraid just as any of us do.  I try to be tough but there are times I get a

little weak but I try to not absorb myself in the negativity.

Randall

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

Subject: Ok here's the deal!

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 1:04 AM

 

So I went to my doctor's.  My T-Cells are 165 and my Viral Load is 17,000 so

according to some standards I HAVE AIDS!  Can someone tell my why I look as

healthy as I have ever been?  Why I'm actually 25 pounds over weight, why I

haven't even gotten a cold in 13 months, why I'm so energized and I have

" AIDS. "   I love my doctor and all but he was really trying to scare me into

getting on meds.  I understood his concern and him not wanting to be

responsible for me getting sick and ending up on a death bed but I am NOT going

to get back on drugs.  Numbers are bullshit  I look and feel great and I don't

know what these " Labs " look for but it sure isn't in the interest of the

person's health.  They probably measure Toxicity level.  I'm not worried about

it nor do I care about what that damn piece of paper says!  Mind over body! 

It would be one thing if I was sick all the time and missing work and not having

the every to work out and go out dancing

every weekend but that's not the case with me.  I'm cured and I know it.  HIV

is just a passenger virus and I don't care what doctors or labs tell you. 

Don't let them scare you!  This is your health and your body you should know it

better.  Medications are poison please don't resort to them.  Get your rest,

exercise, natural cleansers and immune boosters and eat well.  You'll be

fine.   The Health department is going to inform every medical facility that

I'm sick and I don't care!  It's all part of the scam. 

[Guest guest]

Yeah that's weird that your viral load is so high and you're on meds too.

 Hmmm...

Randall

From: lvnntn8832@... <lvnntn8832@...>

Subject: Re: Ok here's the deal!

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 1:22 AM

 

Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you been taking

them? How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel over what you felt b4 you

started taking them?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Ok here's the deal!

Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

The results are true ?

I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on meds

immediately else life will be at risk to

Many types of infections and not able to fight off small infections..

I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was not sick

But doctor said viral load went up to

460,000.

What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

Sent from my iPhone

[Guest guest]

Please Marc, stay with the group here as long as possible and keep us informed

on your experience with the drugs if you decide to stay on them.  I think we

all hear that the meds prolong life but we also hear the other side of the story

too.  That's why it's so confusing to me and so hard to make that decision.

 It's definitely not a decision to make lightly of.  Are you on one pill a day

or do you have a cocktail?

Randall

> Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you been

> taking them? How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel over

> what you felt b4 you started taking them?

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Ok here's the deal!

>

> Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

> The results are true ?

>

> I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on meds

> immediately else life will be at risk to

> Many types of infections and not able to fight off small infections..

>

> I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was not

> sick

> But doctor said viral load went up to

> 460,000.

>

> What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>

[Guest guest]

10 years ago we knew nothing to very little about the Virus  There was no HIV

there was just DEATH!  Then it was discovered as AIDS, by the time people were

diagnosed it was too late.   Then we were told that HIV exists and it " Leads "

to AIDS.  I have no doubt that AIDS exists.  My question is HIV.  I beginning

to this  is a crock of shit!  The idiot who diagnosed me told me all  I had

to was take a pill a day then some where along the lines that if I didn't I

would die with in months.  That's not the case here.

> Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you been

> taking them? How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel over

> what you felt b4 you started taking them?

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Ok here's the deal!

>

> Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

> The results are true ?

>

> I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on meds

> immediately else life will be at risk to

> Many types of infections and not able to fight off small infections..

>

> I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was not

> sick

> But doctor said viral load went up to

> 460,000.

>

> What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hun, you really need to do what you feel is right for you.  Medication didn't

make me feel well, they made me feel sick.  I don't know why your viral load is

so high.  I take many natural anti virals so I know they're keep my viral load

low.  When was first diagnosed I was over 100,000 then I went down to

undetectable.  Now I'm at 17,000 with no meds at all it's been 3 years now.  

The T-Cells I can't understand.  Every time I cut myself I heal almost rapidly.

  I can't explain how good I feel my immune system is.  I would love to meet

each and everyone of you in person so you can get to know me and you would never

in a million years think of me as a " Sick " person.  I posted my story here a

while back and I really do feel I was miss diagnosed yet i've been stamped in

the face and labeled as an HIV patient.  I'm tempted to send my brother to

impersonate me at my next labs testing to see what results come out.   I don't

know I have so many

mixed feeling about this whole HIV issue.  Has anybody seen " house of

numbers " ?

From: Marc <hitoromarc@...>

Subject: Ok here's the deal!

" cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS >

Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 8:14 PM

 

Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

The results are true ?

I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on meds

immediately else life will be at risk to

Many types of infections and not able to fight off small infections..

I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was not sick

But doctor said viral load went up to

460,000.

What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

Sent from my iPhone

[Guest guest]

Honesty I was afraid in the beginning.  When I was first diagnosed and I was

always sick and weak.  But now, I just don't see myself as a sick person

anymore.  I see myself healthy and well.  I take cleansers for my organs and

lymphatic system, immune helpers, and so many good things for the body that I

know my defenses have NEVER been better.  I have good people around me and I

know where to go and who to turn to when I have a problem.  I was a bit afraid

at first when I got my results but really you just have to be strong.  Know

your body well and have control of your mind.  I absorbed what the doctor was

saying and how he didn't want to be held responsible of me getting sick, he

feels like a common cold could kill me based on those results.  I have stressed

out before and made myself sick.  I'm not going to get scared until I come up

with something life threatening.   Lately that hasn't been the issue.  This

whole year I haven't gotten

sick. I managed to get rid of Acid Reflux, seasonal allergies that I have

struggled with for years, and other health issues.  How would all that have

been possible with a " weak " immune system?  This is beyond me.  Some doctors

really do care about your well-being but their only way to help is to turn to

medication.  People don't get scared of numbers.  Please listen to your

instincts.  AND DO NOT STRESS!!!!!! I can't tell you how many good book I have

read about the body and natural healing and all agree on STRESS BEING THE MAIN

KILLER!  Hugo you mentioned a while back that a person found out about their

Cell counts to be 70 then he died. I wonder if he'd still be alive if he just

never found out.  70 is a darn low number if he was really that low he would

have died long before he learned of his results.  I don't know, for once I'm

lost for words.  Maybe i would understand more of my body did agree with those

results but I'm sorry, they

don't.  I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and continue to stay away from

hospitals!  My former lover who work closely with the Local AIDS foundation has

only been on meds once, he agrees that EVERY person he's ever known to have died

of AIDS, WAS ON MEDS!  People who have been living longer are not on meds and I

am beginning to see that!  To me there's good health and bad health.  HIV

tends to be the median between Good Health and Bad Health.  Either you have

diabetes or you don't...you have cancer or you don't.....To me there is no

median.  AIDS is a complete different ball game now, there's a median and it's

called HIV, AIDS is the shut down of the immune system that what really kills

people, HIV is some bull shit made up but the government and society!  I just

can't seem to fit in this puzzle.  Why is it that we have all kinds of

" Non-Active " antibodies in our bodies yet HIV is constantly active?  I'm sorry

if I'm rambling and

confusing you guys.  I'm just typing what's on my head.

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

Subject: Ok here's the deal!

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 1:04 AM

 

So I went to my doctor's.  My T-Cells are 165 and my Viral Load is 17,000 so

according to some standards I HAVE AIDS!  Can someone tell my why I look as

healthy as I have ever been?  Why I'm actually 25 pounds over weight, why I

haven't even gotten a cold in 13 months, why I'm so energized and I have

" AIDS. "   I love my doctor and all but he was really trying to scare me into

getting on meds.  I understood his concern and him not wanting to be

responsible for me getting sick and ending up on a death bed but I am NOT going

to get back on drugs.  Numbers are bullshit  I look and feel great and I don't

know what these " Labs " look for but it sure isn't in the interest of the

person's health.  They probably measure Toxicity level.  I'm not worried about

it nor do I care about what that damn piece of paper says!  Mind over body! 

It would be one thing if I was sick all the time and missing work and not having

the every to work out and go out dancing

every weekend but that's not the case with me.  I'm cured and I know it.  HIV

is just a passenger virus and I don't care what doctors or labs tell you. 

Don't let them scare you!  This is your health and your body you should know it

better.  Medications are poison please don't resort to them.  Get your rest,

exercise, natural cleansers and immune boosters and eat well.  You'll be

fine.   The Health department is going to inform every medical facility that

I'm sick and I don't care!  It's all part of the scam. 

[Guest guest]

2 pills a day

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2010, at 11:07, Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...> wrote:

> Please Marc, stay with the group here as long as possible and keep

> us informed on your experience with the drugs if you decide to stay

> on them. I think we all hear that the meds prolong life but we also

> hear the other side of the story too. That's why it's so confusing

> to me and so hard to make that decision. It's definitely not a

> decision to make lightly of. Are you on one pill a day or do you

> have a cocktail?

>

> Randall

>

>

>

> > Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you been

>

> > taking them? How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel over

>

> > what you felt b4 you started taking them?

>

> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> >

>

> > Ok here's the deal!

>

> >

>

> > Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

>

> > The results are true ?

>

> >

>

> > I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on

> meds

>

> > immediately else life will be at risk to

>

> > Many types of infections and not able to fight off small

> infections..

>

> >

>

> > I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was not

>

> > sick

>

> > But doctor said viral load went up to

>

> > 460,000.

>

> >

>

> > What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

>

> >

>

> > Sent from my iPhone

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Cd4: 70 doesn't mean anything. Mine have been below 100 for over a year and I

feel great, full of energy, happy, never sick, to the point that I am the health

expert in my circle of friends.

Of course, I exercise, I take supplements, herbs and my immune system fights

anything that comes my way in less than a day. No more herpes breakouts either

since I started taking the TCM alleged HIV remission treatment.

In the clinic where I go, they have a patient who's CD4 were almost 0 for two

years but it is starting to raise slowly on the meds. I never took the meds and

it doesn't look like I am going to need them.

I got diagnosed in 2004 but might have been infected in 2002-3.

Have a great day!

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Marc <hitoromarc@...> wrote:

> 2 pills a day

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On 29 Jul 2010, at 11:07, Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...> wrote:

>

> > Please Marc, stay with the group here as long as possible and keep

> > us informed on your experience with the drugs if you decide to stay

> > on them. I think we all hear that the meds prolong life but we also

> > hear the other side of the story too. That's why it's so confusing

> > to me and so hard to make that decision. It's definitely not a

> > decision to make lightly of. Are you on one pill a day or do you

> > have a cocktail?

> >

> > Randall

> >

> >

> >

> > > Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you been

> >

> > > taking them? How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel over

> >

> > > what you felt b4 you started taking them?

> >

> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Ok here's the deal!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

> >

> > > The results are true ?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on

> > meds

> >

> > > immediately else life will be at risk to

> >

> > > Many types of infections and not able to fight off small

> > infections..

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was not

> >

> > > sick

> >

> > > But doctor said viral load went up to

> >

> > > 460,000.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sent from my iPhone

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

[Guest guest]

So maybe you left 4 years to live if the doctor is correct?!

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2010, at 15:50, Happytype <happytype@...> wrote:

> Cd4: 70 doesn't mean anything. Mine have been below 100 for over a

> year and I feel great, full of energy, happy, never sick, to the

> point that I am the health expert in my circle of friends.

> Of course, I exercise, I take supplements, herbs and my immune

> system fights anything that comes my way in less than a day. No more

> herpes breakouts either since I started taking the TCM alleged HIV

> remission treatment.

> In the clinic where I go, they have a patient who's CD4 were almost

> 0 for two years but it is starting to raise slowly on the meds. I

> never took the meds and it doesn't look like I am going to need them.

> I got diagnosed in 2004 but might have been infected in 2002-3.

> Have a great day!

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On 29 Jul, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Marc <hitoromarc@...> wrote:

>

> > 2 pills a day

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

> > On 29 Jul 2010, at 11:07, Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > > Please Marc, stay with the group here as long as possible and keep

> > > us informed on your experience with the drugs if you decide to

> stay

> > > on them. I think we all hear that the meds prolong life but we

> also

> > > hear the other side of the story too. That's why it's so confusing

> > > to me and so hard to make that decision. It's definitely not a

> > > decision to make lightly of. Are you on one pill a day or do you

> > > have a cocktail?

> > >

> > > Randall

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you

> been

> > >

> > > > taking them? How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel

> over

> > >

> > > > what you felt b4 you started taking them?

> > >

> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Ok here's the deal!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

> > >

> > > > The results are true ?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on

> > > meds

> > >

> > > > immediately else life will be at risk to

> > >

> > > > Many types of infections and not able to fight off small

> > > infections..

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was

> not

> > >

> > > > sick

> > >

> > > > But doctor said viral load went up to

> > >

> > > > 460,000.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sent from my iPhone

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I think fear like pain isn't always a bad thing. Its out bodies response to let

us know somethings going on. Everytime I get a spike in numbers it scares me.

Every headache sore thoat or sniffle gets that fear machine going. None of us

wanna get sick or die, but eventually its gonna happen, wheather we have HIV or

not. To me fear is that little warning signal inside that tells me, " hey take a

lil better care of yourself breath a lil deeper and enjoy being alive. " I'm not

going to look at those photos because I can imagine. If that's really scaring

you, can I suggest you join the patiantslikeme.com website? Its a great place to

see and talk with people at all stages in their fight. You can track and compare

numbers meds supplements and alternitive theropies. Don't live in fear take that

and let it drive you to learn more. Let it push you to take better care of you

in all aspects of your life.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Ok here's the deal!

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 1:04 AM

 

So I went to my doctor's.  My T-Cells are 165 and my Viral Load is 17,000 so

according to some standards I HAVE AIDS!  Can someone tell my why I look as

healthy as I have ever been?  Why I'm actually 25 pounds over weight, why I

haven't even gotten a cold in 13 months, why I'm so energized and I have

" AIDS. "   I love my doctor and all but he was really trying to scare me into

getting on meds.  I understood his concern and him not wanting to be

responsible for me getting sick and ending up on a death bed but I am NOT going

to get back on drugs.  Numbers are bullshit  I look and feel great and I don't

know what these " Labs " look for but it sure isn't in the interest of the

person's health.  They probably measure Toxicity level.  I'm not worried about

it nor do I care about what that damn piece of paper says!  Mind over body! 

It would be one thing if I was sick all the time and missing work and not having

the every to work out and go out dancing

every weekend but that's not the case with me.  I'm cured and I know it.  HIV

is just a passenger virus and I don't care what doctors or labs tell you. 

Don't let them scare you!  This is your health and your body you should know it

better.  Medications are poison please don't resort to them.  Get your rest,

exercise, natural cleansers and immune boosters and eat well.  You'll be

fine.   The Health department is going to inform every medical facility that

I'm sick and I don't care!  It's all part of the scam. 

[Guest guest]

Mark, drs are trained to scare you into the drugs. Nothing aganst them its what

they know. In most cases they honestly believe its the only way to keep us

alive. To tell us anything different opens them up to lawsuits, so why bother.

With numbers like your discribing I do wonder why they've let you go without

putting you in meds before now. My thought is your on them now, try them and see

how you do. Do not look at them as a silver bullet! Do everything you can to

improve your overall health. Keep a log and document everything that happens

with you. Get where you can detect the sightest changes. Learn all you can about

what your taking and challenge your doctors. Make them justify everything they

do with you. The worst thing that can happen is you become a number with your dr

and your care becomes cookie cutter to them.

Has anyone tried LDN or talked with their dr about it?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Ok here's the deal!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

> > >

> > > > The results are true ?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on

> > > meds

> > >

> > > > immediately else life will be at risk to

> > >

> > > > Many types of infections and not able to fight off small

> > > infections..

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was

> not

> > >

> > > > sick

> > >

> > > > But doctor said viral load went up to

> > >

> > > > 460,000.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sent from my iPhone

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to save my life as my cd4 is at 196

Viral load 460,000

I felt itch and fatigue..

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2010, at 18:51, lvnntn8832@... wrote:

> Mark, drs are trained to scare you into the drugs. Nothing aganst

> them its what they know. In most cases they honestly believe its the

> only way to keep us alive. To tell us anything different opens them

> up to lawsuits, so why bother. With numbers like your discribing I

> do wonder why they've let you go without putting you in meds before

> now. My thought is your on them now, try them and see how you do. Do

> not look at them as a silver bullet! Do everything you can to

> improve your overall health. Keep a log and document everything that

> happens with you. Get where you can detect the sightest changes.

> Learn all you can about what your taking and challenge your doctors.

> Make them justify everything they do with you. The worst thing that

> can happen is you become a number with your dr and your care becomes

> cookie cutter to them.

> Has anyone tried LDN or talked with their dr about it?

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Ok here's the deal!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

> > > >

> > > > > The results are true ?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to

> start on

> > > > meds

> > > >

> > > > > immediately else life will be at risk to

> > > >

> > > > > Many types of infections and not able to fight off small

> > > > infections..

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was

> > not

> > > >

> > > > > sick

> > > >

> > > > > But doctor said viral load went up to

> > > >

> > > > > 460,000.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Sent from my iPhone

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I totally agree, one must take care of oneself and be responsible for one's

health. The commentor is right, mainstream is only trained in drugs, so if one

is looking for support in natural products, one will be totally disappointed.

Drugs are thier bread and butter, as they conviently forget " first do no harm! "

To answer a question, I have been on LDN for 4 1/2 years and it works great. I

have a lot of issues on my plate and it doesn't work for everything, but I find

that it keeps all opportunistic diseases away, as I am not on the HAART. Several

member of my family also take it. It is one drug that is highly recommended, as

it is safe, which is more than you can say about most drugs.

[Guest guest]

What's LDN?!

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2010, at 20:15, " Noreen " <noreenelaine@...> wrote:

> I totally agree, one must take care of oneself and be responsible

> for one's health. The commentor is right, mainstream is only trained

> in drugs, so if one is looking for support in natural products, one

> will be totally disappointed. Drugs are thier bread and butter, as

> they conviently forget " first do no harm! "

>

> To answer a question, I have been on LDN for 4 1/2 years and it

> works great. I have a lot of issues on my plate and it doesn't work

> for everything, but I find that it keeps all opportunistic diseases

> away, as I am not on the HAART. Several member of my family also

> take it. It is one drug that is highly recommended, as it is safe,

> which is more than you can say about most drugs.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anyone tried Baariz alternative medication?!

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2010, at 18:29, lvnntn8832@... wrote:

> I think fear like pain isn't always a bad thing. Its out bodies

> response to let us know somethings going on. Everytime I get a spike

> in numbers it scares me. Every headache sore thoat or sniffle gets

> that fear machine going. None of us wanna get sick or die, but

> eventually its gonna happen, wheather we have HIV or not. To me fear

> is that little warning signal inside that tells me, " hey take a lil

> better care of yourself breath a lil deeper and enjoy being alive. "

> I'm not going to look at those photos because I can imagine. If

> that's really scaring you, can I suggest you join the patiantslikeme.com

> website? Its a great place to see and talk with people at all

> stages in their fight. You can track and compare numbers meds

> supplements and alternitive theropies. Don't live in fear take that

> and let it drive you to learn more. Let it push you to take better

> care of you in all aspects of your life.

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Ok here's the deal!

> cures for AIDS

> Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 1:04 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> So I went to my doctor's. My T-Cells are 165 and my Viral Load is

> 17,000 so according to some standards I HAVE AIDS! Can someone tell

> my why I look as healthy as I have ever been? Why I'm actually 25

> pounds over weight, why I haven't even gotten a cold in 13 months,

> why I'm so energized and I have " AIDS. " I love my doctor and all

> but he was really trying to scare me into getting on meds. I

> understood his concern and him not wanting to be responsible for me

> getting sick and ending up on a death bed but I am NOT going to get

> back on drugs. Numbers are bullshit I look and feel great and I

> don't know what these " Labs " look for but it sure isn't in the

> interest of the person's health. They probably measure Toxicity

> level. I'm not worried about it nor do I care about what that damn

> piece of paper says! Mind over body! It would be one thing if I

> was sick all the time and missing work and not having the every to

> work out and go out dancing

>

> every weekend but that's not the case with me. I'm cured and I know

> it. HIV is just a passenger virus and I don't care what doctors or

> labs tell you. Don't let them scare you! This is your health and

> your body you should know it better. Medications are poison please

> don't resort to them. Get your rest, exercise, natural cleansers

> and immune boosters and eat well. You'll be fine. The Health

> department is going to inform every medical facility that I'm sick

> and I don't care! It's all part of the scam.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks noreen. I've been thinking I want to do the LDN 1st before a agree to the

HIV meds to see how well it will do for me. I haven't had the talk with my doc

on that yet and worry he's not going to be very receptive. Any advice in how to

approach him with that? As for itching, I haven't know what that's about. Don't

have it all the time but my chest and inner thighs itch like crazy sometimes

like my skin is crawling.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Ok here's the deal!

I totally agree, one must take care of oneself and be responsible for one's

health. The commentor is right, mainstream is only trained in drugs, so if one

is looking for support in natural products, one will be totally disappointed.

Drugs are thier bread and butter, as they conviently forget " first do no harm! "

To answer a question, I have been on LDN for 4 1/2 years and it works great. I

have a lot of issues on my plate and it doesn't work for everything, but I find

that it keeps all opportunistic diseases away, as I am not on the HAART. Several

member of my family also take it. It is one drug that is highly recommended, as

it is safe, which is more than you can say about most drugs.

[Guest guest]

Have anyone tried Ozone therapy?!

Heard it is very effective in reducing viral loads

Can even achieve zero viral load..

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2010, at 21:03, lvnntn8832@... wrote:

> Thanks noreen. I've been thinking I want to do the LDN 1st before a

> agree to the HIV meds to see how well it will do for me. I haven't

> had the talk with my doc on that yet and worry he's not going to be

> very receptive. Any advice in how to approach him with that? As for

> itching, I haven't know what that's about. Don't have it all the

> time but my chest and inner thighs itch like crazy sometimes like my

> skin is crawling.

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Re: Ok here's the deal!

>

> I totally agree, one must take care of oneself and be responsible

> for one's health. The commentor is right, mainstream is only trained

> in drugs, so if one is looking for support in natural products, one

> will be totally disappointed. Drugs are thier bread and butter, as

> they conviently forget " first do no harm! "

>

> To answer a question, I have been on LDN for 4 1/2 years and it

> works great. I have a lot of issues on my plate and it doesn't work

> for everything, but I find that it keeps all opportunistic diseases

> away, as I am not on the HAART. Several member of my family also

> take it. It is one drug that is highly recommended, as it is safe,

> which is more than you can say about most drugs.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The doctors see that I am very healthy, even much healthier than them. Yet, they

have been taught that the meds is the way to go.

I am planning to live another 100 years or more. Research on cycloastragenol and

telomere lengthening made progress and I will resume taking it in about 7 months

as I am following a 10 month TCM treatment that has brought over 90% of it's

patient into remission( we are not allowed to use the word cure).

Let's say that I am in control of my health, even though my CD4 seem low.

Natural killer cells are the ones fighting HIV, not the cd4.

Happytype

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Marc <hitoromarc@...> wrote:

> So maybe you left 4 years to live if the doctor is correct?!

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On 29 Jul 2010, at 15:50, Happytype <happytype@...> wrote:

>

> > Cd4: 70 doesn't mean anything. Mine have been below 100 for over a

> > year and I feel great, full of energy, happy, never sick, to the

> > point that I am the health expert in my circle of friends.

> > Of course, I exercise, I take supplements, herbs and my immune

> > system fights anything that comes my way in less than a day. No more

> > herpes breakouts either since I started taking the TCM alleged HIV

> > remission treatment.

> > In the clinic where I go, they have a patient who's CD4 were almost

> > 0 for two years but it is starting to raise slowly on the meds. I

> > never took the meds and it doesn't look like I am going to need them.

> > I got diagnosed in 2004 but might have been infected in 2002-3.

> > Have a great day!

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

> > On 29 Jul, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Marc <hitoromarc@...> wrote:

> >

> > > 2 pills a day

> > >

> > > Sent from my iPhone

> > >

> > > On 29 Jul 2010, at 11:07, Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Please Marc, stay with the group here as long as possible and keep

> > > > us informed on your experience with the drugs if you decide to

> > stay

> > > > on them. I think we all hear that the meds prolong life but we

> > also

> > > > hear the other side of the story too. That's why it's so confusing

> > > > to me and so hard to make that decision. It's definitely not a

> > > > decision to make lightly of. Are you on one pill a day or do you

> > > > have a cocktail?

> > > >

> > > > Randall

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you

> > been

> > > >

> > > > > taking them? How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel

> > over

> > > >

> > > > > what you felt b4 you started taking them?

> > > >

> > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Ok here's the deal!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

> > > >

> > > > > The results are true ?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on

> > > > meds

> > > >

> > > > > immediately else life will be at risk to

> > > >

> > > > > Many types of infections and not able to fight off small

> > > > infections..

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was

> > not

> > > >

> > > > > sick

> > > >

> > > > > But doctor said viral load went up to

> > > >

> > > > > 460,000.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Sent from my iPhone

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I'm receiving Ozone Therapy and taking Atripla. The Doctor I get the Ozone IV

from said after two months I can stop taking the HAART . I will find out this

month what happens. Current labs CD 398 VL 75.

BTW I found this info last night.

* L-LYSINE- L-lysine is one of the amino acids which are protein and protein is

what helps fight off the infection including HIV AIDS.

* OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT, VITAMIN C- This will help to keep any wart or boil caused

by HIV AIDS under control by reducing the size of it.

* SELENIUM- Selenium stops the AIDS virus from reproducing.

* TETRASILVER TETROXIDE- Tetrasilver Tetroxide is now called Silver Oxide; it

is very effective in getting rid of viruses and bacteria including that of HIV

AIDS.

* COCONUT OIL- The monolaurin and lauric acid in organic

virgin coconut oil literally kills lipid-coated viruses such as HIV. Take at

least 12 tablespoon of coconut oil a day. People actually say that this method

cures HIV.

* Apple Cider Vinegar (acv)- Research has shown that 3 cups of acv 3 times a

day cures HIV.

________________________________

From: Marc <hitoromarc@...>

" cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS >

Cc: " cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS >

Sent: Thu, July 29, 2010 6:15:59 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Ok here's the deal!

Have anyone tried Ozone therapy?!

Heard it is very effective in reducing viral loads

Can even achieve zero viral load..

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2010, at 21:03, lvnntn8832@... wrote:

> Thanks noreen. I've been thinking I want to do the LDN 1st before a

> agree to the HIV meds to see how well it will do for me. I haven't

> had the talk with my doc on that yet and worry he's not going to be

> very receptive. Any advice in how to approach him with that? As for

> itching, I haven't know what that's about. Don't have it all the

> time but my chest and inner thighs itch like crazy sometimes like my

> skin is crawling.

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Re: Ok here's the deal!

>

> I totally agree, one must take care of oneself and be responsible

> for one's health. The commentor is right, mainstream is only trained

> in drugs, so if one is looking for support in natural products, one

> will be totally disappointed. Drugs are thier bread and butter, as

> they conviently forget " first do no harm! "

>

> To answer a question, I have been on LDN for 4 1/2 years and it

> works great. I have a lot of issues on my plate and it doesn't work

> for everything, but I find that it keeps all opportunistic diseases

> away, as I am not on the HAART. Several member of my family also

> take it. It is one drug that is highly recommended, as it is safe,

> which is more than you can say about most drugs.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been on LDN (low-dose naltrexone) for about two years now and I think it's

great also.  Of course I gave up the tests three years ago.  I'm over that

b.s.  They're expensive and I'm not so sure they are measuring what we're told

they are...the man who invented the freaking test says it is not.

From: Noreen <noreenelaine@...>

Subject: Re: Ok here's the deal!

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 8:15 AM

 

I totally agree, one must take care of oneself and be responsible for one's

health. The commentor is right, mainstream is only trained in drugs, so if one

is looking for support in natural products, one will be totally disappointed.

Drugs are thier bread and butter, as they conviently forget " first do no harm! "

To answer a question, I have been on LDN for 4 1/2 years and it works great. I

have a lot of issues on my plate and it doesn't work for everything, but I find

that it keeps all opportunistic diseases away, as I am not on the HAART. Several

member of my family also take it. It is one drug that is highly recommended, as

it is safe, which is more than you can say about most drugs.

[Guest guest]

Anyone (must be outside England and Europe) can order LDN from IAS Anti-aging

without a prescription.  It's $50 for a month's supply.  The FDA intercepted

mine once, but I'm still ordering... 

From: lvnntn8832@... <lvnntn8832@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Ok here's the deal!

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 9:03 AM

 

Thanks noreen. I've been thinking I want to do the LDN 1st before a agree to the

HIV meds to see how well it will do for me. I haven't had the talk with my doc

on that yet and worry he's not going to be very receptive. Any advice in how to

approach him with that? As for itching, I haven't know what that's about. Don't

have it all the time but my chest and inner thighs itch like crazy sometimes

like my skin is crawling.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Ok here's the deal!

I totally agree, one must take care of oneself and be responsible for one's

health. The commentor is right, mainstream is only trained in drugs, so if one

is looking for support in natural products, one will be totally disappointed.

Drugs are thier bread and butter, as they conviently forget " first do no harm! "

To answer a question, I have been on LDN for 4 1/2 years and it works great. I

have a lot of issues on my plate and it doesn't work for everything, but I find

that it keeps all opportunistic diseases away, as I am not on the HAART. Several

member of my family also take it. It is one drug that is highly recommended, as

it is safe, which is more than you can say about most drugs.

[Guest guest]

Happytype,

 

What is TCM?

> > > >

> > > > > Mark, your on meds and your vl is that High? How long have you

> > been

> > > >

> > > > > taking them? How do you feel? Do the meds mprove how you feel

> > over

> > > >

> > > > > what you felt b4 you started taking them?

> > > >

> > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Ok here's the deal!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Did u seek a second opinion to confirm

> > > >

> > > > > The results are true ?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I share the same experience as you and I was adviced to start on

> > > > meds

> > > >

> > > > > immediately else life will be at risk to

> > > >

> > > > > Many types of infections and not able to fight off small

> > > > infections..

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I tried on coconut oil and silver colloidal for 3 months I was

> > not

> > > >

> > > > > sick

> > > >

> > > > > But doctor said viral load went up to

> > > >

> > > > > 460,000.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > What do u think?! Should I stop meds?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Sent from my iPhone

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >