Re: AIDS in Africa

[Guest guest]

News Item:

<South African President, Thabo Mbeki, has tried to restrict the use of

Nevirapine, a drug which has been shown to significantly reduce

mother-to-child transmission of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Mr. Mbeki

has questioned the link between HIV and AIDS, and his Nevirapine policy has

been criticized by AIDS activists, labor unions and church groups.>

** Mbeki, under the protection of false science, may eventually kill more

people than Adolph Hitler. He has latched on to the discredited hypothesis

of Duesberg who says that HIV is not the cause of AIDS and therefore

the HIV treatments are not worth the tremendous expenditure it will take

to provide proper drugs to his people.

The faulty logic is this: even if Duesberg is right and HIV is not the

cause, the new drugs extend life and improve the quality of life for most

people with HIV. For the wealthy and middle class in the United States,

AIDS has become something of a non-issue in that most of the HIV infected

people are able to continue living quasi-normal lives limited by the

restrictions of taking pills punctually and consistently. Most, not all.

This does not mean AIDS is not spreading in the U.S. In the Black and

Hispanic community, it is such a stigma to get AIDS that many still prefer

not to be treated or accept another diagnosis and take less effective

medicine rather than succumb to the fact that they have AIDS. In this

period of total denial, the male often attempts to reproduce in order to

carry on his line and thus produced a baby with HIV. There are simply no

accurate statistics on AIDS in the Black and Hispanic sections of American

society. They don't trust doctors. They don't fill out surveys.

Younger 'gay' males, seeing that AIDS has become manageable, increasingly,

engage in unsafe sex and the our government prefers not to think about it.

Though we see little about it in the newspapers or on the entertaining 6:00

o'clock news, it is spreading, once again. If you see ads in the personal

columns about BB; that means bare-backing (having sex without condoms). It

is quite the rage.

Religious groups fight about use of condoms. Doctors are willing to change

cause of death on death certificates to cancer so the family will not be

disgraced by the stigma of having had an son or daughter with AIDS. And we

are the most advanced country in the world in dealing with this problem. We

don't put HIV people in concentration camps (although it was suggested by

Helms) and after years of trying to do so, American insurance

companies have recognized it as a disease.

The basic problem with the Mbeki stance is that the Duesberg thesis right or

wrong offers no solution to alleviate the disease. Many do not wish to

alleviate the disease. Dr. Matihlde Krim, the head of AMFAR, who controls

most of the money that is allotted to AIDS research, announced ten years ago

(she must be psychic) that there would be no cure for AIDS. It would be

made into a manageable disease like diabetes. It seems odd that a

scientist would offer a conclusion before a study was initiated. It seems

more about protecting her position of power.

Thus, with the Mbeki stance, the Krim corporate non-profit organized killing

machine which promotes its own survival above all other things, things are

not looking up. Jimmy has often been wrong and appears to be easily

fooled. However, it is true that many people will not die of AIDS in Africa

because they will die from cholera first.

What is called the AIDS cocktail was developed out of the mainstream of

corporate funding, and charitable organizations. The first major

breakthrough was made in the United States by an Australian doctor

(Sonnabend) who practises without a license and is looked at as something of

a saint here. When people were dying like flies, he said: treat the

symptoms since you don't know the cause. This was an epiphany.

Dr. Lo developed the so-called AIDS cocktail without the CDC and AMFAR and

the reason it was released so quickly was because it was discovered that a

certain ball player was already on it; activists forced the issue. The

producers of the poisonous AZT held on to their dominance in the field as

long as they could. But no one could compete against the TV charisma of

Jordan. (The two people who did the most to move forward the

treatment of AIDS in this country were Rock Hudson and Jordan, two

people who did it inadvertently because of their own selfish self-interest.)

Methodical epidemiologists were able to track the transmission of the

syndrome with the same techniques that they used for venereal diseases,

thus, debunking a great deal of what the press was reporting and a

particularly sensational book which somehow accounted the entire pandemic to

one Air Canada steward.

The American press has been able to convince the public that this is only a

homosexual, Black and Latin problem and since they are not people, it is not

a danger in the U.S. This stance is reinforced on Politically Incorrect

constantly. " Heterosexual people do not get it. " How do Blacks and

Hispanics reproduce if they are not heterosexual?

Mbeki, who worries more about the immediate economy than the survival of the

true wealth of his nation (people) has fought all of the major new

drugs---because, he sees it as a ploy to deplete his nation's financial

wealth while boosting stock of the major international pharmaceutical

conglomerates. He is right about that.(It seems hard to believe that there

are treatments for this mass plague and that people are withholding it

because of money and ideology.)

And this is the quagmire we are in. Governments make decisions on political

expedience, cost, pressure from conglomerates, and religious organizations

rather than science. The opinion of scientists seems to be considered

irrelevant and annoying.

Hence AIDS will be with us for a long time only it will be white-washed and

sugar-coated by the media, now owned totally by corporations, which will

highlight more profitable and exciting government-sponsored adventures

geared to promote their re-election.

Ron Dobrin

www.dolfzine.com

New York City

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Ive always been interested in reading up on news articles about

AIDS. Here are a few things I found while reading up on AIDS.

I remember reading an article on ABCNEWS a few years back saying

that what Africa is experiencing is nothing compared to what China

and India will face in the end of this decade. The true devastation

of AIDS has not been reached.

Just something to think about. In my opinion AIDS has been a

blessing for Drug Companies (which I am not happy about). With the

push for AIDS research and any possible drug. The Food and Drug

Admin. has now weaken their role in approving drugs. Allowing more

drugs to come into the market at a faster date. I read this in CNN i

think. But I do remember reading a few months back in news,

how the FDA has recalled about 4 drugs in the past year or two.

Which the article mention was a president.

I recently read an article on Africa in news that said with all

this attention on AIDS and getting assistance for people in Africa

with AIDS. People have forgotten about those people with the curable

diseases that are afflicted in Africa. Some only need a pill or two

a year to prevent. So this makes it worse. People that can get help

aren't, so they die, and those who have AIDS do get help but they

still die in the end.

I don't think all the money in the world will help the AIDS situation

until people and society start to accept the situation and make

changes to their cultural beliefs that block common sense and an

efficient solution or program. For example, the church condoning the

use of condoms and other beliefs like that. I personally think they

should spend more money and time on prevention and slowing down the

spread of AIDS then actually prolonging the individuals withs AIDS.

I'm not suggesting letting them die without help but just trying to

limit the amount of people that join them.

Galli

New Haven, CT

Message: 6

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:08:05 -0500

From: " RDobrin " <rdobrin@...>

Subject: Re: AIDS in Africa

News Item:

<South African President, Thabo Mbeki, has tried to restrict the use

of

Nevirapine, a drug which has been shown to significantly reduce

mother-to-child transmission of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Mr.

Mbeki

has questioned the link between HIV and AIDS, and his Nevirapine

policy has

been criticized by AIDS activists, labor unions and church groups.>

** Mbeki, under the protection of false science, may eventually kill

more

people than Adolph Hitler. He has latched on to the discredited

hypothesis

of Duesberg who says that HIV is not the cause of AIDS and

therefore

the HIV treatments are not worth the tremendous expenditure it will

take

to provide proper drugs to his people.

The faulty logic is this: even if Duesberg is right and HIV is

not the

cause, the new drugs extend life and improve the quality of life for

most

people with HIV. For the wealthy and middle class in the United

States,

AIDS has become something of a non-issue in that most of the HIV

infected

people are able to continue living quasi-normal lives limited by the

restrictions of taking pills punctually and consistently. Most, not

all.

This does not mean AIDS is not spreading in the U.S. In the Black and

Hispanic community, it is such a stigma to get AIDS that many still

prefer

not to be treated or accept another diagnosis and take less effective

medicine rather than succumb to the fact that they have AIDS. In this

period of total denial, the male often attempts to reproduce in order

to

carry on his line and thus produced a baby with HIV. There are

simply no

accurate statistics on AIDS in the Black and Hispanic sections of

American

society. They don't trust doctors. They don't fill out surveys.

Younger 'gay' males, seeing that AIDS has become manageable,

increasingly,

engage in unsafe sex and the our government prefers not to think

about it.

Though we see little about it in the newspapers or on the

entertaining 6:00

o'clock news, it is spreading, once again. If you see ads in the

personal

columns about BB; that means bare-backing (having sex without

condoms). It

is quite the rage.

Religious groups fight about use of condoms. Doctors are willing to

change

cause of death on death certificates to cancer so the family will not

be

disgraced by the stigma of having had an son or daughter with AIDS.

And we

are the most advanced country in the world in dealing with this

problem. We

don't put HIV people in concentration camps (although it was

suggested by

Helms) and after years of trying to do so, American insurance

companies have recognized it as a disease.

The basic problem with the Mbeki stance is that the Duesberg thesis

right or

wrong offers no solution to alleviate the disease. Many do not wish

to

alleviate the disease. Dr. Matihlde Krim, the head of AMFAR, who

controls

most of the money that is allotted to AIDS research, announced ten

years ago

(she must be psychic) that there would be no cure for AIDS. It would

be

made into a manageable disease like diabetes. It seems odd that a

scientist would offer a conclusion before a study was initiated. It

seems

more about protecting her position of power.

Thus, with the Mbeki stance, the Krim corporate non-profit organized

killing

machine which promotes its own survival above all other things,

things are

not looking up. Jimmy has often been wrong and appears to be

easily

fooled. However, it is true that many people will not die of AIDS in

Africa

because they will die from cholera first.

What is called the AIDS cocktail was developed out of the mainstream

of

corporate funding, and charitable organizations. The first major

breakthrough was made in the United States by an Australian doctor

(Sonnabend) who practises without a license and is looked at as

something of

a saint here. When people were dying like flies, he said: treat the

symptoms since you don't know the cause. This was an epiphany.

Dr. Lo developed the so-called AIDS cocktail without the CDC and

AMFAR and

the reason it was released so quickly was because it was discovered

that a

certain ball player was already on it; activists forced the issue.

The

producers of the poisonous AZT held on to their dominance in the

field as

long as they could. But no one could compete against the TV charisma

of

Jordan. (The two people who did the most to move forward the

treatment of AIDS in this country were Rock Hudson and

Jordan, two

people who did it inadvertently because of their own selfish self-

interest.)

Methodical epidemiologists were able to track the transmission of the

syndrome with the same techniques that they used for venereal

diseases,

thus, debunking a great deal of what the press was reporting and a

particularly sensational book which somehow accounted the entire

pandemic to

one Air Canada steward.

The American press has been able to convince the public that this is

only a

homosexual, Black and Latin problem and since they are not people, it

is not

a danger in the U.S. This stance is reinforced on Politically

Incorrect

constantly. " Heterosexual people do not get it. " How do Blacks and

Hispanics reproduce if they are not heterosexual?

Mbeki, who worries more about the immediate economy than the survival

of the

true wealth of his nation (people) has fought all of the major new

drugs---because, he sees it as a ploy to deplete his nation's

financial

wealth while boosting stock of the major international pharmaceutical

conglomerates. He is right about that.(It seems hard to believe that

there

are treatments for this mass plague and that people are withholding it

because of money and ideology.)

And this is the quagmire we are in. Governments make decisions on

political

expedience, cost, pressure from conglomerates, and religious

organizations

rather than science. The opinion of scientists seems to be considered

irrelevant and annoying.

Hence AIDS will be with us for a long time only it will be white-

washed and

sugar-coated by the media, now owned totally by corporations, which

will

highlight more profitable and exciting government-sponsored adventures

geared to promote their re-election.

Ron Dobrin

www.dolfzine.com

New York City

[Guest guest]

People that can get help aren't, so they die, and those who have AIDS do

get help but they

still die in the end.

****************

This is the falsehood presented by the media and apparently you believe it.

Everyone who gets AIDS does not die of it. Some people become HIV positive

and do nothing for their condition and never have a symptom. Many people

who get treatment live full and healthy lives. The fear and belief and

hopelessness of the situation is spread by the media for sensationalism and

perpetuated by governments as a way out.

The article you read spoke about choosing between the people who could be

easily cured and those with major diseases.Why do they have to choose? Is

the world too poor? Must the drug companies make fortunes? (After all, our

federal government paid for most of the research.)

Governments would rather present lies then solve problems because they have

agendas other than the health of their people.

It has become all to clear with the fall of Enron and the possible fall of

Arthur , our government is willing to pay the creditors and let the

people flounder...people who have worked their whole lives for a pension

will get nothing but the bill to IBM will be paid.

This is because governments have forgotten their role. They are there to

serve the people. Instead they see the people as expendable commodity, a

nuisance to be dealt with.

America seems to have unlimited funds to do what they want when they want to

do it but are closing centers for the elderly. That is wrong. First they

take care of the elderly and then they dabble in world politics. First they

teach the children and if there is enough money, they can play the game of

world leaders.

Three points.

Everyone dies---eventually.

Everyone with HIV does not die. That is a rumor.

The job of government is to serve the people.

Ron Dobrin

www.dolfzine.com

[Guest guest]

very true

Love, Live, and Laugh

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 12:07:37 PM

Subject: AIDS in Africa

I was looking up online all the millions upon millions that goes to AIDS in

Africa. Oprah, Bono, , Princess all have in the past years

have donated millions upon millions yet there's been no progress. All it does

is get them cheap medications for a few years until the " funding " runs out then

they're forced to stop treatments cold turkey and die. Penn is actually

doing a good thing, he's living in Africa and making sure ALL his money get put

to good use. Most American crooks have been known to take that money for their

own personal use. What those people need is good water and better foods. STOP

giving them more toxic meds and start giving them a better life style. If we

put water filters and provided water generators at hospitals for clean water and

shipped them probiotics and well grown organic fruits and veggies more people

will live longer! They go about it the wrong way in thinking medications are

the way to

beat this virus. It's all very sad.

[Guest guest]

I wonder what they die of when they stop treatment.

= M =

owner of a significant cat

> I was looking up online all the

> millions upon millions that goes to AIDS in Africa.  Oprah,

> Bono, , Princess all have in the past

> years have donated millions upon millions yet there's been

> no progress.  All it does is get them cheap medications for

> a few years until the " funding " runs out then they're forced

> to stop treatments cold turkey and die.  Penn is

> actually doing a good thing, he's living in Africa and

> making sure ALL his money get put to good use.  Most

> American crooks have been known to take that money for their

> own personal use.  What those people need is good water and

> better foods.  STOP giving them more toxic meds and start

> giving them a better life style.  If we put water filters

> and provided water generators at hospitals for clean water

> and shipped them probiotics and well grown organic fruits

> and veggies more people will live longer!  They go about it

> the wrong way in thinking medications are the way to

> beat this virus.  It's all very sad. 

[Guest guest]

They'll die of various complications, one thing people don't realize is drugs

are addictive to the body.  Another thing is that it's all mental as well.  I

believe it's the drugs that compromise the immune system but our brains even

more. 

> I was looking up online all the

> millions upon millions that goes to AIDS in Africa.  Oprah,

> Bono, , Princess all have in the past

> years have donated millions upon millions yet there's been

> no progress.  All it does is get them cheap medications for

> a few years until the " funding " runs out then they're forced

> to stop treatments cold turkey and die.  Penn is

> actually doing a good thing, he's living in Africa and

> making sure ALL his money get put to good use.  Most

> American crooks have been known to take that money for their

> own personal use.  What those people need is good water and

> better foods.  STOP giving them more toxic meds and start

> giving them a better life style.  If we put water filters

> and provided water generators at hospitals for clean water

> and shipped them probiotics and well grown organic fruits

> and veggies more people will live longer!  They go about it

> the wrong way in thinking medications are the way to

> beat this virus.  It's all very sad. 

[Guest guest]

Yes, I always new I had a large organ that can get me into trouble.

Brain, can't live with it, can't live without it.

I got to train the brain.

= M =

owner of a significant cat

> From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

> Subject: Re: AIDS in Africa

> cures for AIDS

> Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 11:43 PM

> They'll die of various complications,

> one thing people don't realize is drugs are addictive to the

> body.  Another thing is that it's all mental as well.  I

> believe it's the drugs that compromise the immune system but

> our brains even more. 

[Guest guest]

Ya, I read an article that in the US only like 10% of donation to cancer

non-profits goes towards actual programs (conventional treatment programs at

that). I'd rather give donations to people I know personally than to an

organization.

I exchanged emails with a guy who claimed he was a doctor in Africa treating HIV

and malaria with MMS. He said of 5000 people he's seen, most improve and some

get totally well.

~

>

> > I was looking up online all the

> > millions upon millions that goes to AIDS in Africa.  Oprah,

> > Bono, , Princess all have in the past

> > years have donated millions upon millions yet there's been

> > no progress.  All it does is get them cheap medications for

> > a few years until the " funding " runs out then they're forced

> > to stop treatments cold turkey and die.  Penn is

> > actually doing a good thing, he's living in Africa and

> > making sure ALL his money get put to good use.  Most

> > American crooks have been known to take that money for their

> > own personal use.  What those people need is good water and

> > better foods.  STOP giving them more toxic meds and start

> > giving them a better life style.  If we put water filters

> > and provided water generators at hospitals for clean water

> > and shipped them probiotics and well grown organic fruits

> > and veggies more people will live longer!  They go about it

> > the wrong way in thinking medications are the way to

> > beat this virus.  It's all very sad. 

>