Guest guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Thanks for your testimony but I don't think anybody tried EVERYTHING. Is there anyone that can read German here? Apparently there is a lot of documented research and success stories in Geany using ozone therapy and sometimes reversing HIV status and raising CD4s. Can someone ask around for some gean readers, please? Sent from my iPhone On 29 Apr 2010, at 8:25 AM, Sorensen <travisjsorensen@...> wrote: There is absolutely no one to my knowledge that has ever gone undetectable through natural methods. I am a VERY firm believer in natural medicine and am very much against taking toxic drugs and MANY MANY people have lowered their viral load and increased their CD4 count though natural methods, but no one has gone to undetectable through natural methods that I know of. In my humble opinion though, it does not matter that you never reach an undetectable viral load, but that you keep it low and your CD4 counts high in order to be healthy. The goal is to stay healthy. Becoming undetectable through natural means is a lovely idea, but not attainable for the average hiv+ person as far as I know.Many people may argue with me on this, but I along with many others have tried EVERYTHING natural under the sun and nothing natural works for that. That being said, I would rather have a low viral count from natural methods than be undetectable through unnatural toxic methods. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 I think you guys are a bit obsessed about numbers, this is a reflection of believing in HIV. Â The Perthgroup.com website has great research as to why no virus has ever been proven to exist, Â and instead offers very compelling evidence that cellular oxidation is the core of the problem. Â cheers . From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 " there is absolutlely no one "  Sounds like you live in a prison of beliefs, when in fact we live in a world where freedom is unlimited. Anything is possible  From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Well, i'm happy to say I do know of someone.... From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I respect your opinion and I have seen much of the research behind the non existance of HIV. The reason people are worked up about numbers is because they believe the virsus does exist, as do I. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I also know someone. cures for AIDS From: donjuan69uni@... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:30:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Undetectable Well, i'm happy to say I do know of someone.... From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Would you ask those someones to join the group and share with us their protocols? We can all benefit from this. Sent from my iPhone On 29 Apr 2010, at 11:34 PM, asm online <asmonline@...> wrote: I also know someone. cures for AIDS From: donjuan69uni@... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:30:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Undetectable Well, i'm happy to say I do know of someone.... From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 what do u think the virsus should be?any idea From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 what do u think the virsus should be?any idea From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I have one friend with ten years on meds, cd count less than 50 at the low point, ten years no meds, undetectable for about five years now. She wasn't undetectable for several years after she stopped taking the meds. Natural methods did not so much cure her of HIV as mediate symptoms of HIV drugs and candidiasis and fungus and pneumonia etc. She did not need to be cured of HIV at all. I had another friend ten years on meds, anemia worsened when they gave her dapsone, then she suffocated after three months of suffering and six months of Dapsone on top of hematoxic HIV meds. That goes with the other. Red bag on pole, not a white cell thing at all. The most documentation is so far to be found with gay men and Act Up, I think. My experience is with hetero men who were needle users, and with female prostitutes and needle users. They and gay men get the test, and whoever takes the test is likely to test pos. US military tests everybody, many test positive but do not get sick because they do not take the meds. Take the meds, get sick, stop, get fairly well, but the meds can permanently damage intestinal lining. -Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I have one friend with ten years on meds, cd count less than 50 at the low point, ten years no meds, undetectable for about five years now. She wasn't undetectable for several years after she stopped taking the meds. Natural methods did not so much cure her of HIV as mediate symptoms of HIV drugs and candidiasis and fungus and pneumonia etc. She did not need to be cured of HIV at all. I had another friend ten years on meds, anemia worsened when they gave her dapsone, then she suffocated after three months of suffering and six months of Dapsone on top of hematoxic HIV meds. That goes with the other. Red bag on pole, not a white cell thing at all. The most documentation is so far to be found with gay men and Act Up, I think. My experience is with hetero men who were needle users, and with female prostitutes and needle users. They and gay men get the test, and whoever takes the test is likely to test pos. US military tests everybody, many test positive but do not get sick because they do not take the meds. Take the meds, get sick, stop, get fairly well, but the meds can permanently damage intestinal lining. -Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 what do you mean? as in what do I think the virus looks like? From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 what do you mean? as in what do I think the virus looks like? From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 Meds damage everything! I used to work with Diabetic patients and I know for a fact all the Kidney damage and neurological damage such as neuropathy all comes from the Medications. Same thing with HIV/AIDS patients. They mess up the intestines, damage the liver, and kill all the good bacteria in our bodies that's why their stomachs get so out of shape. From: Bob D <muckblit@...> Subject: Undetectable cures for AIDS Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 10:11 PM  I have one friend with ten years on meds, cd count less than 50 at the low point, ten years no meds, undetectable for about five years now. She wasn't undetectable for several years after she stopped taking the meds. Natural methods did not so much cure her of HIV as mediate symptoms of HIV drugs and candidiasis and fungus and pneumonia etc. She did not need to be cured of HIV at all. I had another friend ten years on meds, anemia worsened when they gave her dapsone, then she suffocated after three months of suffering and six months of Dapsone on top of hematoxic HIV meds. That goes with the other. Red bag on pole, not a white cell thing at all. The most documentation is so far to be found with gay men and Act Up, I think. My experience is with hetero men who were needle users, and with female prostitutes and needle users. They and gay men get the test, and whoever takes the test is likely to test pos. US military tests everybody, many test positive but do not get sick because they do not take the meds. Take the meds, get sick, stop, get fairly well, but the meds can permanently damage intestinal lining. -Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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