RE: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

[Guest guest]

The absolute worst thing you can do Dan is start and stop meds. That is how you

" teach " the virus in your body to be resistant to whatever you were taking. You

should know this. I am glad you have been healthy for a year and a half. Without

meds you might be healthy for another 10 or more years, but sooner or later the

virus will get you and when it does it will be ugly, to say the least. The

immune system is very resilient. It takes HIV a long time wear it down, but make

no mistake that it will wear down. Look at the horror of the many places in the

world where HIV medicines are simply not available. You say I am preaching fear.

I call it truth. I saw it back in the 80's and it continues today.

'If a person's

regimen isn't working for them, they always have the option to go on

meds at that point. " that is true but why wait till you are half dead to start

taking something that can extend the quality of your life now? That is why I

started medicine as soon as I was diagnosed back in 1986. This is a debate that

rages on in the HIV community. What I can tell you is that the sooner one starts

meds the longer and better their quality of life will be, side effects and all.

That is why the recommended starting point for meds keeps getting moved up. In

fact the SanFranisco health department now recommends starting meds as soon as

one is diagnosed being positive. Also, the healthier one is when taking meds the

better one can tolerate the medicine.

Of course the medicine is poison. I want it to poison the HIV virus. Taking

medicine is a balancing act between poisoning the virus and poisoning the entire

person. When AZT first came out, in the mid 80's, the dose given was so high

some people were poisoned by it, and they died from the AZT. We have learned a

lot since then. Are you going to risk the long term quality of your life because

of the balancing act? That is your choice. You are stuck between a rock and a

hard place.

As for your organs (liver and such) you are talking about side effects. There

are ways of dealing with them. You sound like the woman in the meeting I went to

who wouldn't take anything that makes her sick. I feel sorry for you.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do not want rage in a debate in this group. So I will stop repeating my

messages of the benefits of meds. I am not a drug pusher. I am one who's life

has been saved by these drugs, and I want others to know they too can be saved

and live a normal life span. You should stop confusing others about meds being

unnecessary. The meds today are less toxic and better tolerated than ever. Yes

we have learned a lot about HIV. There are even trials now being done for HIV

vaccines and for substances that lure HIV out of cells. That sounds to me like a

cure. During the dark days of AIDS in the 1980's the motto for the SanFrancisco

AIDS Foundation was " Be here for the cure. " Now they are working on a cure. All

of us need to hang in there so we are here to get the cure when it becomes

available. OOPPPS, am I pushing drugs? No. I am telling you like it is. The good

news and the bad news. What you choose to do with it is up to you.

Since the year 2000 I personally know of 3 people who have died of AIDS. Each

one stopped taking their meds and gave up. It was like a suicide. Did they give

up because they were worn down? It is not for me to say, but it does look like

it is possible. Perhaps others of you know of similar situations. Please let us

know.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE

AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do not want rage in a debate in this group. So I will stop repeating my

messages of the benefits of meds. I am not a drug pusher. I am one who's life

has been saved by these drugs, and I want others to know they too can be saved

and live a normal life span. You should stop confusing others about meds being

unnecessary. The meds today are less toxic and better tolerated than ever. Yes

we have learned a lot about HIV. There are even trials now being done for HIV

vaccines and for substances that lure HIV out of cells. That sounds to me like a

cure. During the dark days of AIDS in the 1980's the motto for the SanFrancisco

AIDS Foundation was " Be here for the cure. " Now they are working on a cure. All

of us need to hang in there so we are here to get the cure when it becomes

available. OOPPPS, am I pushing drugs? No. I am telling you like it is. The good

news and the bad news. What you choose to do with it is up to you.

Since the year 2000 I personally know of 3 people who have died of AIDS. Each

one stopped taking their meds and gave up. It was like a suicide. Did they give

up because they were worn down? It is not for me to say, but it does look like

it is possible. Perhaps others of you know of similar situations. Please let us

know.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE

AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Since I have been in this group, about 5 years, I have seen a few HIV denialist

die. Maybe they wouldn't have died if they were on the meds or maybe they would

have, I don't know. All I know is that if one, like myself, keep the meds only

as a last resort, one has to do intense research, take supplements and change

his or her lifestyle for the better. From my experience, I can say that I have

attained a level of heathy well being that I did not know prior to being HIV

positive. Of course, at the beginning, I had shingles, detox side effects but

for a few years now, I don't even get a cold now. I take about 11 pills per day

and I have no side effects other than a well being sensation.

The bottom line is SURVIVAL and I want to live centuries old if I can. HIV is

just the step that I needed to make the changes to get there.

Happytype

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 May 2010, at 1:55 PM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

I do not want rage in a debate in this group. So I will stop repeating my

messages of the benefits of meds. I am not a drug pusher. I am one who's life

has been saved by these drugs, and I want others to know they too can be saved

and live a normal life span. You should stop confusing others about meds being

unnecessary. The meds today are less toxic and better tolerated than ever. Yes

we have learned a lot about HIV. There are even trials now being done for HIV

vaccines and for substances that lure HIV out of cells. That sounds to me like a

cure. During the dark days of AIDS in the 1980's the motto for the SanFrancisco

AIDS Foundation was " Be here for the cure. " Now they are working on a cure. All

of us need to hang in there so we are here to get the cure when it becomes

available. OOPPPS, am I pushing drugs? No. I am telling you like it is. The good

news and the bad news. What you choose to do with it is up to you.

Since the year 2000 I personally know of 3 people who have died of AIDS. Each

one stopped taking their meds and gave up. It was like a suicide. Did they give

up because they were worn down? It is not for me to say, but it does look like

it is possible. Perhaps others of you know of similar situations. Please let us

know.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Since I have been in this group, about 5 years, I have seen a few HIV denialist

die. Maybe they wouldn't have died if they were on the meds or maybe they would

have, I don't know. All I know is that if one, like myself, keep the meds only

as a last resort, one has to do intense research, take supplements and change

his or her lifestyle for the better. From my experience, I can say that I have

attained a level of heathy well being that I did not know prior to being HIV

positive. Of course, at the beginning, I had shingles, detox side effects but

for a few years now, I don't even get a cold now. I take about 11 pills per day

and I have no side effects other than a well being sensation.

The bottom line is SURVIVAL and I want to live centuries old if I can. HIV is

just the step that I needed to make the changes to get there.

Happytype

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 May 2010, at 1:55 PM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

I do not want rage in a debate in this group. So I will stop repeating my

messages of the benefits of meds. I am not a drug pusher. I am one who's life

has been saved by these drugs, and I want others to know they too can be saved

and live a normal life span. You should stop confusing others about meds being

unnecessary. The meds today are less toxic and better tolerated than ever. Yes

we have learned a lot about HIV. There are even trials now being done for HIV

vaccines and for substances that lure HIV out of cells. That sounds to me like a

cure. During the dark days of AIDS in the 1980's the motto for the SanFrancisco

AIDS Foundation was " Be here for the cure. " Now they are working on a cure. All

of us need to hang in there so we are here to get the cure when it becomes

available. OOPPPS, am I pushing drugs? No. I am telling you like it is. The good

news and the bad news. What you choose to do with it is up to you.

Since the year 2000 I personally know of 3 people who have died of AIDS. Each

one stopped taking their meds and gave up. It was like a suicide. Did they give

up because they were worn down? It is not for me to say, but it does look like

it is possible. Perhaps others of you know of similar situations. Please let us

know.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the Perth website. WOW so much info!!!!!! Finally something Ive

been looking for information without an agenda. I dont want to hear this doesnt

exist or the sky is falling, just give me what we know and what we dont know.

The info about oxidative stress has peaked my curiosity and making me more

motivated to take the acetyl cysteine and glutithone. Im also interested in the

whole testing thing what it means what it doesnt. If this is cellular rather

than viral and more fungal then MMS seems to be a good track for me to be on. I

havent got into the whole medication thing as far as what it does or doesnt do

yet. Like I said for the moment medication isnt something my Dr is pushing, and

if i can do my part o keep him from pushing all the better. Those who are dead

set against drugs fine but dont push that on other people. Give them your facts

and let them make up their own mind. Dont begrudge anyone doing what they feel

is right for their own

survival. And by all means stop using AZT as your standard for calling

medication poison. Get off the 1st generation of drugs and talk more about the

things that are more commonly in use today. No I dont have a clue what is being

used but do know there are sever modes of trying to combat replication.

________________________________

From:Happytype <happytype@...>

" cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS >

Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 6:30:42 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

Since I have been in this group, about 5 years, I have seen a few HIV denialist

die. Maybe they wouldn't have died if they were on the meds or maybe they would

have, I don't know. All I know is that if one, like myself, keep the meds only

as a last resort, one has to do intense research, take supplements and change

his or her lifestyle for the better. From my experience, I can say that I have

attained a level of heathy well being that I did not know prior to being HIV

positive. Of course, at the beginning, I had shingles, detox side effects but

for a few years now, I don't even get a cold now. I take about 11 pills per day

and I have no side effects other than a well being sensation.

The bottom line is SURVIVAL and I want to live centuries old if I can. HIV is

just the step that I needed to make the changes to get there.

Happytype

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 May 2010, at 1:55 PM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1nycap (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

I do not want rage in a debate in this group. So I will stop repeating my

messages of the benefits of meds. I am not a drug pusher. I am one who's life

has been saved by these drugs, and I want others to know they too can be saved

and live a normal life span. You should stop confusing others about meds being

unnecessary. The meds today are less toxic and better tolerated than ever. Yes

we have learned a lot about HIV. There are even trials now being done for HIV

vaccines and for substances that lure HIV out of cells. That sounds to me like a

cure. During the dark days of AIDS in the 1980's the motto for the SanFrancisco

AIDS Foundation was " Be here for the cure. " Now they are working on a cure. All

of us need to hang in there so we are here to get the cure when it becomes

available. OOPPPS, am I pushing drugs? No. I am telling you like it is. The good

news and the bad news. What you choose to do with it is up to you.

Since the year 2000 I personally know of 3 people who have died of AIDS. Each

one stopped taking their meds and gave up. It was like a suicide. Did they give

up because they were worn down? It is not for me to say, but it does look like

it is possible. Perhaps others of you know of similar situations. Please let us

know.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the Perth website. WOW so much info!!!!!! Finally something Ive

been looking for information without an agenda. I dont want to hear this doesnt

exist or the sky is falling, just give me what we know and what we dont know.

The info about oxidative stress has peaked my curiosity and making me more

motivated to take the acetyl cysteine and glutithone. Im also interested in the

whole testing thing what it means what it doesnt. If this is cellular rather

than viral and more fungal then MMS seems to be a good track for me to be on. I

havent got into the whole medication thing as far as what it does or doesnt do

yet. Like I said for the moment medication isnt something my Dr is pushing, and

if i can do my part o keep him from pushing all the better. Those who are dead

set against drugs fine but dont push that on other people. Give them your facts

and let them make up their own mind. Dont begrudge anyone doing what they feel

is right for their own

survival. And by all means stop using AZT as your standard for calling

medication poison. Get off the 1st generation of drugs and talk more about the

things that are more commonly in use today. No I dont have a clue what is being

used but do know there are sever modes of trying to combat replication.

________________________________

From:Happytype <happytype@...>

" cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS >

Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 6:30:42 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

Since I have been in this group, about 5 years, I have seen a few HIV denialist

die. Maybe they wouldn't have died if they were on the meds or maybe they would

have, I don't know. All I know is that if one, like myself, keep the meds only

as a last resort, one has to do intense research, take supplements and change

his or her lifestyle for the better. From my experience, I can say that I have

attained a level of heathy well being that I did not know prior to being HIV

positive. Of course, at the beginning, I had shingles, detox side effects but

for a few years now, I don't even get a cold now. I take about 11 pills per day

and I have no side effects other than a well being sensation.

The bottom line is SURVIVAL and I want to live centuries old if I can. HIV is

just the step that I needed to make the changes to get there.

Happytype

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 May 2010, at 1:55 PM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1nycap (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

I do not want rage in a debate in this group. So I will stop repeating my

messages of the benefits of meds. I am not a drug pusher. I am one who's life

has been saved by these drugs, and I want others to know they too can be saved

and live a normal life span. You should stop confusing others about meds being

unnecessary. The meds today are less toxic and better tolerated than ever. Yes

we have learned a lot about HIV. There are even trials now being done for HIV

vaccines and for substances that lure HIV out of cells. That sounds to me like a

cure. During the dark days of AIDS in the 1980's the motto for the SanFrancisco

AIDS Foundation was " Be here for the cure. " Now they are working on a cure. All

of us need to hang in there so we are here to get the cure when it becomes

available. OOPPPS, am I pushing drugs? No. I am telling you like it is. The good

news and the bad news. What you choose to do with it is up to you.

Since the year 2000 I personally know of 3 people who have died of AIDS. Each

one stopped taking their meds and gave up. It was like a suicide. Did they give

up because they were worn down? It is not for me to say, but it does look like

it is possible. Perhaps others of you know of similar situations. Please let us

know.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even without noticable side effects, the meds are extremely toxic to

the liver and other parts of the body. Long term side effects are

unknown, and likely never will be since anyone that dies had a

" complication of AIDS " rather than whatever it actually was.

Personally I'm not buying into the drug companies' bs. Does anyone

know their history about Farben and the Nazis? That's the sort of

history drug pushers have. And look at how the people taking vaccines

end up dying or having neurological effects--I don't trust the

companies and their poisioning of the planet.

On May 10, 2010, at 12:08 AM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> Anonymous has been on medication for over 20 years. I'm sure he has

> experienced all kinds of unpleasant side effects. I know I have and

> I take almost 50 pills @ day (no exaggeration). Yes I take medicine

> for the medicine. So what, one does what they have to do. Man up

> about it and just do it. Remember we are stuck between a rock and a

> hard place. Where you rest is your call.

>

> HIV is a tough virus to beat. To succeed we need all the help we can

> get. I suggest you take both prescribed medicine together with

> alternative medicine. That way if one fails the other might succeed.

> All you will know is that you remain healthy, and that is the goal.

> As for side effects, alternative medicine has side effects too. A

> good friend of mine is a doctor. He told me everything has a side

> effect, even a glass of water. It makes you piss. There are ways of

> handling side effects so do not be afraid of them.

>

>

> Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even without noticable side effects, the meds are extremely toxic to

the liver and other parts of the body. Long term side effects are

unknown, and likely never will be since anyone that dies had a

" complication of AIDS " rather than whatever it actually was.

Personally I'm not buying into the drug companies' bs. Does anyone

know their history about Farben and the Nazis? That's the sort of

history drug pushers have. And look at how the people taking vaccines

end up dying or having neurological effects--I don't trust the

companies and their poisioning of the planet.

On May 10, 2010, at 12:08 AM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> Anonymous has been on medication for over 20 years. I'm sure he has

> experienced all kinds of unpleasant side effects. I know I have and

> I take almost 50 pills @ day (no exaggeration). Yes I take medicine

> for the medicine. So what, one does what they have to do. Man up

> about it and just do it. Remember we are stuck between a rock and a

> hard place. Where you rest is your call.

>

> HIV is a tough virus to beat. To succeed we need all the help we can

> get. I suggest you take both prescribed medicine together with

> alternative medicine. That way if one fails the other might succeed.

> All you will know is that you remain healthy, and that is the goal.

> As for side effects, alternative medicine has side effects too. A

> good friend of mine is a doctor. He told me everything has a side

> effect, even a glass of water. It makes you piss. There are ways of

> handling side effects so do not be afraid of them.

>

>

> Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, Doug Man.  I totally disagree with you.  And I'm not sure why you would

want to be in this group. 

 

" Sooner or later it will kill you and before death takes you it will be

miserably horrible for you. The only chance to enjoy as normal a life as

possible is by taking your medicine as prescribed every day. "

 

That's FUCKED UP...liver and kidney failure sux, too ;o)

 

 

 

 

 

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about HIV

is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work that

way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

Ok.  Sorry, but I have to say one more thing.  The SanFrancisco health

department recommends starting meds as soon as someone tests positive!  Why? 

Because they get their info from the drug companies and they want your money. 

It's just like lowering the cholesterol bar to the point that every man, woman

and CHILD is on Lipitor.  Yes, even children are on Lipitor now.  It's sick,

sick, sick...

>

> From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

>

> Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

>

> Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

>

> GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to

> push pills? Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very

> interested in the science that says HIV is a harmless passenger

> virus, mind you I want the science not connecting dots. As I try and

> take all this in it seems to me neither side of the issue has a firm

> grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community thinks we

> are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the

> other side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do

> believe people die of something and you can or cant put a name on

> it. Labs may or may not mean anything. Do I know enough to call labs

> bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and healthy lifestyle makes a

> difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I cant maintain my

> health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

>

> I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And

> Im not fond of absolutes on either side or bashing without

> supporting facts. Give me the info, dont tell me what truth is or

> what to believe We all need to arrive at our own decisions.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

>

> To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

>

> Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

>

> Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You feel sorry for me because I refuse to be brainwashed by the

doctors who have been brainwashed by the drug companies? I have

listened to all the same stuff you have said, but I also choose to

educate myself about alternatives and adverse effects. If I had

listened to my doctors all these years, I certain I would be dead as

are many I knew at the time.

As to people giving up, many party themselves to death with meth and

other recreational drugs, and/or alcohol.

I'm the healthiest person around, and can't remember the last time I

was sick. I have never had any symptoms of AIDS. I have repaired the

damage done to my liver through the use of alternative therapies and

cleansing.

As to stopping and resuming meds, you are right resistant strains come

along. But the new strains are weaker each time they mutate, as

admitted by my doctor. Going off meds also caused the virus to revert

to wild type which is no longer resistant, or at least it did in my

case. I'm not certain what it is that comes up resistant to the meds,

but I'm not certain it is HIV virus. But if you care to educate

yourself about alternative theories, there is plenty to learn in the

archives of this list if it hasn't been censored.

I feel sorry for you and all who have been brainwashed into believing

they can continue all their unhealthy habits/foods/ etc and just take

these miracle pills and all will be fine. I hope you at least research

the side effects and learn to use natural therapies to lessen the

effects (alongside the meds you ate obviously sold on)---all this

assuming you are an actual HIV patient and not just a rep of big pharma.

On May 10, 2010, at 1:16 AM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> The absolute worst thing you can do Dan is start and stop meds. That

> is how you " teach " the virus in your body to be resistant to

> whatever you were taking. You should know this. I am glad you have

> been healthy for a year and a half. Without meds you might be

> healthy for another 10 or more years, but sooner or later the virus

> will get you and when it does it will be ugly, to say the least. The

> immune system is very resilient. It takes HIV a long time wear it

> down, but make no mistake that it will wear down. Look at the horror

> of the many places in the world where HIV medicines are simply not

> available. You say I am preaching fear. I call it truth. I saw it

> back in the 80's and it continues today.

>

> 'If a person's

> regimen isn't working for them, they always have the option to go on

> meds at that point. " that is true but why wait till you are half

> dead to start taking something that can extend the quality of your

> life now? That is why I started medicine as soon as I was diagnosed

> back in 1986. This is a debate that rages on in the HIV community.

> What I can tell you is that the sooner one starts meds the longer

> and better their quality of life will be, side effects and all. That

> is why the recommended starting point for meds keeps getting moved

> up. In fact the SanFranisco health department now recommends

> starting meds as soon as one is diagnosed being positive. Also, the

> healthier one is when taking meds the better one can tolerate the

> medicine.

>

> Of course the medicine is poison. I want it to poison the HIV virus.

> Taking medicine is a balancing act between poisoning the virus and

> poisoning the entire person. When AZT first came out, in the mid

> 80's, the dose given was so high some people were poisoned by it,

> and they died from the AZT. We have learned a lot since then. Are

> you going to risk the long term quality of your life because of the

> balancing act? That is your choice. You are stuck between a rock and

> a hard place.

>

> As for your organs (liver and such) you are talking about side

> effects. There are ways of dealing with them. You sound like the

> woman in the meeting I went to who wouldn't take anything that makes

> her sick. I feel sorry for you.

> Doug

>

>

>

> Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>>

>> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

>> and watch the following:

>>

>> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>>

>> also go see

>>

>> www.houseofnumbers. com

>>

>> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

>> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

>> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

>> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

>> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>>

>> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

>> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

>> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>>

>> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

>> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>>

>> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

You feel sorry for me because I refuse to be brainwashed by the

doctors who have been brainwashed by the drug companies? I have

listened to all the same stuff you have said, but I also choose to

educate myself about alternatives and adverse effects. If I had

listened to my doctors all these years, I certain I would be dead as

are many I knew at the time.

As to people giving up, many party themselves to death with meth and

other recreational drugs, and/or alcohol.

I'm the healthiest person around, and can't remember the last time I

was sick. I have never had any symptoms of AIDS. I have repaired the

damage done to my liver through the use of alternative therapies and

cleansing.

As to stopping and resuming meds, you are right resistant strains come

along. But the new strains are weaker each time they mutate, as

admitted by my doctor. Going off meds also caused the virus to revert

to wild type which is no longer resistant, or at least it did in my

case. I'm not certain what it is that comes up resistant to the meds,

but I'm not certain it is HIV virus. But if you care to educate

yourself about alternative theories, there is plenty to learn in the

archives of this list if it hasn't been censored.

I feel sorry for you and all who have been brainwashed into believing

they can continue all their unhealthy habits/foods/ etc and just take

these miracle pills and all will be fine. I hope you at least research

the side effects and learn to use natural therapies to lessen the

effects (alongside the meds you ate obviously sold on)---all this

assuming you are an actual HIV patient and not just a rep of big pharma.

On May 10, 2010, at 1:16 AM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> The absolute worst thing you can do Dan is start and stop meds. That

> is how you " teach " the virus in your body to be resistant to

> whatever you were taking. You should know this. I am glad you have

> been healthy for a year and a half. Without meds you might be

> healthy for another 10 or more years, but sooner or later the virus

> will get you and when it does it will be ugly, to say the least. The

> immune system is very resilient. It takes HIV a long time wear it

> down, but make no mistake that it will wear down. Look at the horror

> of the many places in the world where HIV medicines are simply not

> available. You say I am preaching fear. I call it truth. I saw it

> back in the 80's and it continues today.

>

> 'If a person's

> regimen isn't working for them, they always have the option to go on

> meds at that point. " that is true but why wait till you are half

> dead to start taking something that can extend the quality of your

> life now? That is why I started medicine as soon as I was diagnosed

> back in 1986. This is a debate that rages on in the HIV community.

> What I can tell you is that the sooner one starts meds the longer

> and better their quality of life will be, side effects and all. That

> is why the recommended starting point for meds keeps getting moved

> up. In fact the SanFranisco health department now recommends

> starting meds as soon as one is diagnosed being positive. Also, the

> healthier one is when taking meds the better one can tolerate the

> medicine.

>

> Of course the medicine is poison. I want it to poison the HIV virus.

> Taking medicine is a balancing act between poisoning the virus and

> poisoning the entire person. When AZT first came out, in the mid

> 80's, the dose given was so high some people were poisoned by it,

> and they died from the AZT. We have learned a lot since then. Are

> you going to risk the long term quality of your life because of the

> balancing act? That is your choice. You are stuck between a rock and

> a hard place.

>

> As for your organs (liver and such) you are talking about side

> effects. There are ways of dealing with them. You sound like the

> woman in the meeting I went to who wouldn't take anything that makes

> her sick. I feel sorry for you.

> Doug

>

>

>

> Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>>

>> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

>> and watch the following:

>>

>> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>>

>> also go see

>>

>> www.houseofnumbers. com

>>

>> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

>> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

>> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

>> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

>> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>>

>> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

>> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

>> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>>

>> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

>> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>>

>> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Ok daniel. 1st off if that was directed at me please don't feel sorry for me. I

don't, that would make me a victim and I refuse to ever be that. 2nd you lost me

as soon as you said Nazi. That's like saying we should never go to space because

the Nazis developed rockets. Suppliments and natural remidies aren't the great

pantacia you'd make them out to be either. They can do damage to organs too. You

don't want drugs cool don't take them. If u know a drug is bad sound the alarm,

but get specific about what drug your talking about. And allow people to make

their iwn choices about what's right for them. Its hard enough knowing what to

do. Think of the incredible stress your putting in someone by preaching death

death at the hands of meds. We need answers and not preaching and the last thing

we need is added stress.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

You feel sorry for me because I refuse to be brainwashed by the

doctors who have been brainwashed by the drug companies? I have

listened to all the same stuff you have said, but I also choose to

educate myself about alternatives and adverse effects. If I had

listened to my doctors all these years, I certain I would be dead as

are many I knew at the time.

As to people giving up, many party themselves to death with meth and

other recreational drugs, and/or alcohol.

I'm the healthiest person around, and can't remember the last time I

was sick. I have never had any symptoms of AIDS. I have repaired the

damage done to my liver through the use of alternative therapies and

cleansing.

As to stopping and resuming meds, you are right resistant strains come

along. But the new strains are weaker each time they mutate, as

admitted by my doctor. Going off meds also caused the virus to revert

to wild type which is no longer resistant, or at least it did in my

case. I'm not certain what it is that comes up resistant to the meds,

but I'm not certain it is HIV virus. But if you care to educate

yourself about alternative theories, there is plenty to learn in the

archives of this list if it hasn't been censored.

I feel sorry for you and all who have been brainwashed into believing

they can continue all their unhealthy habits/foods/ etc and just take

these miracle pills and all will be fine. I hope you at least research

the side effects and learn to use natural therapies to lessen the

effects (alongside the meds you ate obviously sold on)---all this

assuming you are an actual HIV patient and not just a rep of big pharma.

On May 10, 2010, at 1:16 AM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> The absolute worst thing you can do Dan is start and stop meds. That

> is how you " teach " the virus in your body to be resistant to

> whatever you were taking. You should know this. I am glad you have

> been healthy for a year and a half. Without meds you might be

> healthy for another 10 or more years, but sooner or later the virus

> will get you and when it does it will be ugly, to say the least. The

> immune system is very resilient. It takes HIV a long time wear it

> down, but make no mistake that it will wear down. Look at the horror

> of the many places in the world where HIV medicines are simply not

> available. You say I am preaching fear. I call it truth. I saw it

> back in the 80's and it continues today.

>

> 'If a person's

> regimen isn't working for them, they always have the option to go on

> meds at that point. " that is true but why wait till you are half

> dead to start taking something that can extend the quality of your

> life now? That is why I started medicine as soon as I was diagnosed

> back in 1986. This is a debate that rages on in the HIV community.

> What I can tell you is that the sooner one starts meds the longer

> and better their quality of life will be, side effects and all. That

> is why the recommended starting point for meds keeps getting moved

> up. In fact the SanFranisco health department now recommends

> starting meds as soon as one is diagnosed being positive. Also, the

> healthier one is when taking meds the better one can tolerate the

> medicine.

>

> Of course the medicine is poison. I want it to poison the HIV virus.

> Taking medicine is a balancing act between poisoning the virus and

> poisoning the entire person. When AZT first came out, in the mid

> 80's, the dose given was so high some people were poisoned by it,

> and they died from the AZT. We have learned a lot since then. Are

> you going to risk the long term quality of your life because of the

> balancing act? That is your choice. You are stuck between a rock and

> a hard place.

>

> As for your organs (liver and such) you are talking about side

> effects. There are ways of dealing with them. You sound like the

> woman in the meeting I went to who wouldn't take anything that makes

> her sick. I feel sorry for you.

> Doug

>

>

>

> Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>>

>> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

>> and watch the following:

>>

>> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>>

>> also go see

>>

>> www.houseofnumbers. com

>>

>> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

>> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

>> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

>> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

>> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>>

>> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

>> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

>> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>>

>> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

>> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>>

>> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Ok daniel. 1st off if that was directed at me please don't feel sorry for me. I

don't, that would make me a victim and I refuse to ever be that. 2nd you lost me

as soon as you said Nazi. That's like saying we should never go to space because

the Nazis developed rockets. Suppliments and natural remidies aren't the great

pantacia you'd make them out to be either. They can do damage to organs too. You

don't want drugs cool don't take them. If u know a drug is bad sound the alarm,

but get specific about what drug your talking about. And allow people to make

their iwn choices about what's right for them. Its hard enough knowing what to

do. Think of the incredible stress your putting in someone by preaching death

death at the hands of meds. We need answers and not preaching and the last thing

we need is added stress.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

You feel sorry for me because I refuse to be brainwashed by the

doctors who have been brainwashed by the drug companies? I have

listened to all the same stuff you have said, but I also choose to

educate myself about alternatives and adverse effects. If I had

listened to my doctors all these years, I certain I would be dead as

are many I knew at the time.

As to people giving up, many party themselves to death with meth and

other recreational drugs, and/or alcohol.

I'm the healthiest person around, and can't remember the last time I

was sick. I have never had any symptoms of AIDS. I have repaired the

damage done to my liver through the use of alternative therapies and

cleansing.

As to stopping and resuming meds, you are right resistant strains come

along. But the new strains are weaker each time they mutate, as

admitted by my doctor. Going off meds also caused the virus to revert

to wild type which is no longer resistant, or at least it did in my

case. I'm not certain what it is that comes up resistant to the meds,

but I'm not certain it is HIV virus. But if you care to educate

yourself about alternative theories, there is plenty to learn in the

archives of this list if it hasn't been censored.

I feel sorry for you and all who have been brainwashed into believing

they can continue all their unhealthy habits/foods/ etc and just take

these miracle pills and all will be fine. I hope you at least research

the side effects and learn to use natural therapies to lessen the

effects (alongside the meds you ate obviously sold on)---all this

assuming you are an actual HIV patient and not just a rep of big pharma.

On May 10, 2010, at 1:16 AM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> The absolute worst thing you can do Dan is start and stop meds. That

> is how you " teach " the virus in your body to be resistant to

> whatever you were taking. You should know this. I am glad you have

> been healthy for a year and a half. Without meds you might be

> healthy for another 10 or more years, but sooner or later the virus

> will get you and when it does it will be ugly, to say the least. The

> immune system is very resilient. It takes HIV a long time wear it

> down, but make no mistake that it will wear down. Look at the horror

> of the many places in the world where HIV medicines are simply not

> available. You say I am preaching fear. I call it truth. I saw it

> back in the 80's and it continues today.

>

> 'If a person's

> regimen isn't working for them, they always have the option to go on

> meds at that point. " that is true but why wait till you are half

> dead to start taking something that can extend the quality of your

> life now? That is why I started medicine as soon as I was diagnosed

> back in 1986. This is a debate that rages on in the HIV community.

> What I can tell you is that the sooner one starts meds the longer

> and better their quality of life will be, side effects and all. That

> is why the recommended starting point for meds keeps getting moved

> up. In fact the SanFranisco health department now recommends

> starting meds as soon as one is diagnosed being positive. Also, the

> healthier one is when taking meds the better one can tolerate the

> medicine.

>

> Of course the medicine is poison. I want it to poison the HIV virus.

> Taking medicine is a balancing act between poisoning the virus and

> poisoning the entire person. When AZT first came out, in the mid

> 80's, the dose given was so high some people were poisoned by it,

> and they died from the AZT. We have learned a lot since then. Are

> you going to risk the long term quality of your life because of the

> balancing act? That is your choice. You are stuck between a rock and

> a hard place.

>

> As for your organs (liver and such) you are talking about side

> effects. There are ways of dealing with them. You sound like the

> woman in the meeting I went to who wouldn't take anything that makes

> her sick. I feel sorry for you.

> Doug

>

>

>

> Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>>

>> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

>> and watch the following:

>>

>> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>>

>> also go see

>>

>> www.houseofnumbers. com

>>

>> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

>> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

>> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

>> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

>> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>>

>> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

>> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

>> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>>

>> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

>> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>>

>> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Doug hun, I know you mean well.  But we here are a group that believes in

taking an alternate approach into dealing with HIV.  You sound very well spoken

and I know you're very knowledgeable when it comes to this topic.  It's true

what you say about the virus.  It's no different today than it was back in the

70s or 80s when it was first discovered but one thing that is different is our

KNOWLEDGE.  Back then people didn't know what it was much less how to handle

the virus.  People continued sharing needles, doing drugs, having unprotected

sex etc.  By the time they showed symptoms or got sick it was too late, the

virus had already eaten up their bodies.  You have to make a LIFE STYLE

change.  Your friends that died of AIDS (May they rest in peace) didn't give up

only because they quit taking their meds they quit everything in general.  Now

I've been on meds and I stopped.  Does that make me quitter?  No it makes me a

fighter!  I work in

clinical research I know drugs now are just as toxic and even more than they

were back then.  I worked in a clinic that specializes in Diabetes I know for a

fact the leading drug for Diabetes Metformin rots the kidneys. Diabetics don't

lose their kidney function or get neuropathy because of their diabetes they get

it because of their medications!  My mother happened to be a patient at that

clinic I argued with doctors and they were all fine with putting her on

dialysis.  I wasn't now I have her on natural working non toxic meds.  Right

now as we are speaking the FDA and Pharmaceutical companies are working on

modifying medications to strip them of their healing properties to have people

take them for the rest of their lives and they do that by adding toxic chemicals

to them.   As for me Doctors told me, and keep telling me without medications I

will die!  That's a lie!  This is what I do I cleanse my lymphatic system and

organs with an ojibwa

formula (aka essiac) I boost my immune system with Cat's claw, I take anti

fungals and anti virals (Pau D'Arco and Chaparral) plus I oxygenate my body with

the hydrogen peroxide therapy because HIV is a virus that doesn't live in oxygen

and I take my probiotics.  All Natural and non toxic.  I have met many people

like you who's lives have been saved with drugs but I also have met people who's

lives have been destroyed by drugs as well.  I don't know how old you are I'm

28 years old.  The older people I have met thank the meds it seems as if to

them medications offered hope.  The younger people, my age or younger are

suffering from major side effects, I was one of them.  So i believe the

toxicity of the drugs has gone up because now they're trying to mend all the

drugs into one pill.  That's another aspect that keeps people busy, how to make

something more convenient at the expense of having more toxins.  I say do what

you gotta do just don't

give up and keep living.  But for people who sit and tell you drugs are the

only way that is just a flat out lie because there's other ways.

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS

Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:55 AM

 

I do not want rage in a debate in this group. So I will stop repeating my

messages of the benefits of meds. I am not a drug pusher. I am one who's life

has been saved by these drugs, and I want others to know they too can be saved

and live a normal life span. You should stop confusing others about meds being

unnecessary. The meds today are less toxic and better tolerated than ever. Yes

we have learned a lot about HIV. There are even trials now being done for HIV

vaccines and for substances that lure HIV out of cells. That sounds to me like a

cure. During the dark days of AIDS in the 1980's the motto for the SanFrancisco

AIDS Foundation was " Be here for the cure. " Now they are working on a cure. All

of us need to hang in there so we are here to get the cure when it becomes

available. OOPPPS, am I pushing drugs? No. I am telling you like it is. The good

news and the bad news. What you choose to do with it is up to you.

Since the year 2000 I personally know of 3 people who have died of AIDS. Each

one stopped taking their meds and gave up. It was like a suicide. Did they give

up because they were worn down? It is not for me to say, but it does look like

it is possible. Perhaps others of you know of similar situations. Please let us

know.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE

AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doug hun, I know you mean well.  But we here are a group that believes in

taking an alternate approach into dealing with HIV.  You sound very well spoken

and I know you're very knowledgeable when it comes to this topic.  It's true

what you say about the virus.  It's no different today than it was back in the

70s or 80s when it was first discovered but one thing that is different is our

KNOWLEDGE.  Back then people didn't know what it was much less how to handle

the virus.  People continued sharing needles, doing drugs, having unprotected

sex etc.  By the time they showed symptoms or got sick it was too late, the

virus had already eaten up their bodies.  You have to make a LIFE STYLE

change.  Your friends that died of AIDS (May they rest in peace) didn't give up

only because they quit taking their meds they quit everything in general.  Now

I've been on meds and I stopped.  Does that make me quitter?  No it makes me a

fighter!  I work in

clinical research I know drugs now are just as toxic and even more than they

were back then.  I worked in a clinic that specializes in Diabetes I know for a

fact the leading drug for Diabetes Metformin rots the kidneys. Diabetics don't

lose their kidney function or get neuropathy because of their diabetes they get

it because of their medications!  My mother happened to be a patient at that

clinic I argued with doctors and they were all fine with putting her on

dialysis.  I wasn't now I have her on natural working non toxic meds.  Right

now as we are speaking the FDA and Pharmaceutical companies are working on

modifying medications to strip them of their healing properties to have people

take them for the rest of their lives and they do that by adding toxic chemicals

to them.   As for me Doctors told me, and keep telling me without medications I

will die!  That's a lie!  This is what I do I cleanse my lymphatic system and

organs with an ojibwa

formula (aka essiac) I boost my immune system with Cat's claw, I take anti

fungals and anti virals (Pau D'Arco and Chaparral) plus I oxygenate my body with

the hydrogen peroxide therapy because HIV is a virus that doesn't live in oxygen

and I take my probiotics.  All Natural and non toxic.  I have met many people

like you who's lives have been saved with drugs but I also have met people who's

lives have been destroyed by drugs as well.  I don't know how old you are I'm

28 years old.  The older people I have met thank the meds it seems as if to

them medications offered hope.  The younger people, my age or younger are

suffering from major side effects, I was one of them.  So i believe the

toxicity of the drugs has gone up because now they're trying to mend all the

drugs into one pill.  That's another aspect that keeps people busy, how to make

something more convenient at the expense of having more toxins.  I say do what

you gotta do just don't

give up and keep living.  But for people who sit and tell you drugs are the

only way that is just a flat out lie because there's other ways.

From: DOUG MAN <dougman1@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS

Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:55 AM

 

I do not want rage in a debate in this group. So I will stop repeating my

messages of the benefits of meds. I am not a drug pusher. I am one who's life

has been saved by these drugs, and I want others to know they too can be saved

and live a normal life span. You should stop confusing others about meds being

unnecessary. The meds today are less toxic and better tolerated than ever. Yes

we have learned a lot about HIV. There are even trials now being done for HIV

vaccines and for substances that lure HIV out of cells. That sounds to me like a

cure. During the dark days of AIDS in the 1980's the motto for the SanFrancisco

AIDS Foundation was " Be here for the cure. " Now they are working on a cure. All

of us need to hang in there so we are here to get the cure when it becomes

available. OOPPPS, am I pushing drugs? No. I am telling you like it is. The good

news and the bad news. What you choose to do with it is up to you.

Since the year 2000 I personally know of 3 people who have died of AIDS. Each

one stopped taking their meds and gave up. It was like a suicide. Did they give

up because they were worn down? It is not for me to say, but it does look like

it is possible. Perhaps others of you know of similar situations. Please let us

know.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE

AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

To say the least you guys are enlightening and some what entertaining. Someone

has to counter the B.S. being tossed around in here, and not all alternative

treatments are bad. Some compliment traditional medicine very nicely, some do

help with side effects, and some are nonsense. All of it is found in this group

and we all have a common enemy which is HIV. Lets not forget that. So this is

where I belong.

A while back an activist group in New York City publicized a motto saying " Fight

AIDS not people with AIDS " . So it is here. We should stay focused on the enemy

HIV not fight with eachother. So do not exclude one from this group just because

you disagree with them. Are you from the Regan era?

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

You are obviously a troll, there are other groups such as Aids Truth.com who

cater specifically for orthodox treatments, and whose sole focus is to crush

dissident theory and treatments. Go party with them,   if you read the homepage

it says " This group is not interested in discussing mainstream treatments "    

   

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about HIV

is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work that

way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

By all means let's degenerate into name calling and let's cut off any discussion

that differs from our view. That's a hell of a way to get at the truth! So you

who believe this run in this circle and you who believe that run in that circle

and eventually everyone us running in circles looking like idiots. For those of

us not drenched in the dogma of either side for God's sake get over yourself

people! I want the info each of group has to say, but for petes sake back it up

with facts and figures. I'm so freaking tired of hearing crap about the 80s. No

its not the same virus it was then and no the drugs aren't the same either! Not

everything out there today is a failed cancer drug. I'm not going to die if I

don't start treatment as soon at I. Told I'm poz and yes there are reasons to

stop treatment to let your body recover from the damage the drugs cause. Drug

pushers are not just fro. Big pharma I've also seen big vita posting on here

telling us the have the answer for aids, and rest assured that assault on us is

going to grow in the next few years! Stop fighting and trying to talk each other

down we are all in this together and I really don't care for your oppinions give

me freaking answers as well as questions I can go try and find my own answers

to. Can we not agree people have lived and died from both of your approaches and

everyone has to make their own choices. Isn't it our responsibility to equipe

each of us with the ability to make the best choice based on our own needs and

all available information:

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about HIV

is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work that

way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I agree lets not fight, lets all agree to disagree at some points.  I was a

part of some major groups before I came to this one and I was ridiculed and

banned for my personal views.  All because I had a different perspective. 

They didn't want to hear

about it unless it dealt with a Pharmaceutical drug.  Please, lets not

be that group!  Let's not be harsh to a fellow person on the same health boat

as us.  It's always good to have someone argue the flip side of the coin once

in a while.  It gets us all talking (this forum had been dead for a while) and

it reminds us all of some of the valid points we have in terms of what HIV means

to us.  I had some people e-mail me personally about my daily regimen and I was

glad to share.  Occasionally I have to be reminded where certain group members

stand in the mist of all this.  The truth is there's many people out there who

think the way Doug thinks, there's people out there that think the way I do,

then there's others that claim the virus is just a figment of the imagination. 

To me all sides of the square are interesting views.  We all have to face this

monster together and work together.  Some people in this group have lost all

hope and gone back to drugs.  I don't look down on them, if anything I was glad

they were

able to keep an open mind an explore other alternatives.  Some like myself

have gone off the drugs and stuck to therapies that are difficult but

beneficial.  Either way it's up to the individual to do what they gotta do to

live longer.  That's just my take on things. 

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about HIV

is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work that

way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I got my last CD4 results: 84. That's 2 more than 5 months ago and no difference

in health, really. I will only get my viral load in 3 months during my next

blood taking.

At least I am not getting worse on paper nor sick in reality.

I am going to try a tcm herbal drug that apparently can get your viral load

undetectable and raise Cd4, according to clinical trials in Malaysia and

Africa.

I'll keep you posted.

Happytype

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 May 2010, at 11:57 AM, Don <donjuan69uni@...> wrote:

I agree lets not fight, lets all agree to disagree at some points. I was a part

of some major groups before I came to this one and I was ridiculed and banned

for my personal views. All because I had a different perspective. They didn't

want to hear

about it unless it dealt with a Pharmaceutical drug. Please, lets not

be that group! Let's not be harsh to a fellow person on the same health boat as

us. It's always good to have someone argue the flip side of the coin once in a

while. It gets us all talking (this forum had been dead for a while) and it

reminds us all of some of the valid points we have in terms of what HIV means to

us. I had some people e-mail me personally about my daily regimen and I was

glad to share. Occasionally I have to be reminded where certain group members

stand in the mist of all this. The truth is there's many people out there who

think the way Doug thinks, there's people out there that think the way I do,

then there's others that claim the virus is just a figment of the imagination.

To me all sides of the square are interesting views. We all have to face this

monster together and work together. Some people in this group have lost all

hope and gone back to drugs. I don't look down on them, if anything I was glad

they were

able to keep an open mind an explore other alternatives. Some like myself have

gone off the drugs and stuck to therapies that are difficult but beneficial.

Either way it's up to the individual to do what they gotta do to live longer.

That's just my take on things.

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about HIV

is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work that

way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

You are certainly right that vitamins can be harmful as well. Most of

them are manufactured of synthetics just as the drugs are. It's hard

to get any facts on them and most alternatives--and that's why there

is much testimonial and little " fact " . But my truth is that God knew

what ingredients best serve us and put them here together for us to

take. Man thinks he knows better and can single out one chemical from

the natural form, and then synthesize that in a lab. But the side

effects come because the active ingredient isn't buffered by other

agents that would be there in nature.

But back to facts: the numbers are only as accurate as the money

behind the study being done. You can interpret the study to find the

conclusions that make you the most money. Perhaps that's why the FDA

approves drugs and then withdraws the approval after many die.

No one dies from natural supplements, but over 100,000 die in one year

from legal drugs. Those are facts. Everyone must choose what they want

to put in there own body. But often you have to read between the lines

and not just believe the side that has all the money to advertise on

TV and all over the place. They brainwash most into thinking doctors

have all the answers, starting with the TV as babysitter. I agree

doctors have their place, but I choose to research on my own. Even

with doctors, there are all kinds from very good to not so much. It

helps if you know a little before you talk to them, or research what

you are being told to decide if you agree with all the conclusions.

On May 11, 2010, at 11:12 PM, lvnntn8832@... wrote:

> By all means let's degenerate into name calling and let's cut off

> any discussion that differs from our view. That's a hell of a way to

> get at the truth! So you who believe this run in this circle and you

> who believe that run in that circle and eventually everyone us

> running in circles looking like idiots. For those of us not drenched

> in the dogma of either side for God's sake get over yourself people!

> I want the info each of group has to say, but for petes sake back it

> up with facts and figures. I'm so freaking tired of hearing crap

> about the 80s. No its not the same virus it was then and no the

> drugs aren't the same either! Not everything out there today is a

> failed cancer drug. I'm not going to die if I don't start treatment

> as soon at I. Told I'm poz and yes there are reasons to stop

> treatment to let your body recover from the damage the drugs cause.

> Drug pushers are not just fro. Big pharma I've also seen big vita

> posting on here telling us the have the answer for aids, and rest

> assured that assault on us is going to grow in the next few years!

> Stop fighting and trying to talk each other down we are all in this

> together and I really don't care for your oppinions give me freaking

> answers as well as questions I can go try and find my own answers

> to. Can we not agree people have lived and died from both of your

> approaches and everyone has to make their own choices. Isn't it our

> responsibility to equipe each of us with the ability to make the

> best choice based on our own needs and all available information:

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

>

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

>

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

>

>

> also go see

>

>

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

>

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

>

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

>

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

>

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry for my language.  It was totally unnecessary and a couple of days

after reading what got me so worked up, it seems even more unnecessary. 

 

I just have a problem with people getting on here and promoting unsustainable

practices.  This idea that the only way to live is on 50 pills/day is crazy. 

Big Pharma and the doctors want you to believe that because that's how they get

rich.  This country and even the world is brainwashed to think that pills are

better and if you try anything else, you're crazy.  And who pays for all of

it?  Nobody cares.  Just take the pills.  Our country is in debt. 

Corporations and small businesses are failing in large part because no one can

afford health benefits.  You don't have the money for all those pills?  No

worries, we'll get them for you anyway.  It just doesn't make sense.  We're

all gonna die one day.  Some of us sooner than others.  I just don't want to

be a part of this machine that takes, takes, takes.  So I will stick with my

supplements and pay cash for them so that at the end of the day I can say to

myself that I paid my way and

hopefully was able to contribute something meaningful to my community.  Damned

if you do, damned if you don't.  Doug Man says I'm gonna die a horrible,

painful death.  How's death from liver and kidney failure?  Is that like a

walk in the park?  I doubt it.  At least at the end, my kidneys will allow me

to have morphine ;o)

 

" HIV " is nothing more than a chronic illness and I do not agree with the western

approach to chronic illness.  If you want to take 50 pills/day, then I think

you should have an insurance plan to cover the cost or pay cash.

 

 

 

>

>

>

> From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

>

>

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

>

>

>

> Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

>

>

>

> GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to

> push pills? Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very

> interested in the science that says HIV is a harmless passenger

> virus, mind you I want the science not connecting dots. As I try and

> take all this in it seems to me neither side of the issue has a firm

> grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community thinks we

> are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the

> other side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do

> believe people die of something and you can or cant put a name on

> it. Labs may or may not mean anything. Do I know enough to call labs

> bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and healthy lifestyle makes a

> difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I cant maintain my

> health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

>

>

>

> I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And

> Im not fond of absolutes on either side or bashing without

> supporting facts. Give me the info, dont tell me what truth is or

> what to believe We all need to arrive at our own decisions.

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

>

>

> From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

>

>

>

> To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

>

>

>

> Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

>

>

>

> Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

>

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

>

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

>

>

> also go see

>

>

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

>

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

>

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

>

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

>

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Its all how people spin. I'm a firm believer in all measures availible to combat

this and guess I'd be on the supplement band wagon as I've not taken any drugs

but have done the 90 supplements a day. Saying no one died from taking

supplements maybe technically true but how many died taking supplements and died

because they refused other treatments? I'm much more interested in the 2 thing I

saw in her this morning I hadn't seen before tmc? And crp54? Sorry can't see the

correct names on my phone but want to study and hear more about them and get off

this debate!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

>

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

>

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

>

>

> also go see

>

>

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

>

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

>

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

>

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

>

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

>

>