RE: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

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Haribol Spirit Soul

Please take a look at this video link on youtube call

Gene Therapy, AIDS and Biowarfare Triggers

cures for AIDS

From: rjschusterman@...

Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:33:34 +0000

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers.com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about HIV

is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work that

way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

_________________________________________________________________

http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

[Guest guest]

Haribol Spirit Soul

Please take a look at this video link on youtube call

Gene Therapy, AIDS and Biowarfare Triggers

cures for AIDS

From: rjschusterman@...

Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:33:34 +0000

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers.com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about HIV

is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work that

way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

_________________________________________________________________

http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

[Guest guest]

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

________________________________

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@...>

To:cures for AIDS

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

________________________________

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@...>

To:cures for AIDS

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree with you more.  You hit it right on the nail.  Science is

always going to be a revolving world.  There's always going to be trial and

error.  Yet at times they let those errors slip through the crack and don't do

a damn thing about it until years later once people are dead or left with long

term problems.  As for people who think we're crazy for not taking meds, this

is the way I see it.  I don't blame them.  That's how we're conditioned. 

People are trained that doctors are gods and those pills are the miracle of

modern science enabling us to live a longer life.  I try to use myself as an

example to those with problems.  That there's other ways to stay healthy.  I'm

also intelligent enough that exercise and nutrition is the best way to combat

and problem with the aid of natural supplements.  If my health get to the point

where I'm going to rely on Med to keep me alive, I'll be willing to pop that

pill.  I just hope it never

comes back to that.  Because it will then when I will realize the clock is

going to start ticking. 

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@...>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

 

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push

pills? Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science

that says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree with you more.  You hit it right on the nail.  Science is

always going to be a revolving world.  There's always going to be trial and

error.  Yet at times they let those errors slip through the crack and don't do

a damn thing about it until years later once people are dead or left with long

term problems.  As for people who think we're crazy for not taking meds, this

is the way I see it.  I don't blame them.  That's how we're conditioned. 

People are trained that doctors are gods and those pills are the miracle of

modern science enabling us to live a longer life.  I try to use myself as an

example to those with problems.  That there's other ways to stay healthy.  I'm

also intelligent enough that exercise and nutrition is the best way to combat

and problem with the aid of natural supplements.  If my health get to the point

where I'm going to rely on Med to keep me alive, I'll be willing to pop that

pill.  I just hope it never

comes back to that.  Because it will then when I will realize the clock is

going to start ticking. 

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@...>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

 

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push

pills? Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science

that says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

Clock ticking is the best way to discribe it. Ive never needed meds, but just

went through my 1st Tcell scare. I'd dropped to 313 and yea it did feel like a

clock starting to tick. They sent me back to confirm the count and I came back

with a 568 (highest Ive ever registered.) It made me want to say the whole

testing things a crock! But we rewind the clock and we go on. I'll continue to

test, but Im not going to let one test result bend me out of shape again like

that. My goal is to never have to face that medication question. At least hold

off on that clock as long as possible.

________________________________

From:Don <donjuan69uni@...>

To:cures for AIDS

Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 10:16:53 AM

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I couldn't agree with you more. You hit it right on the nail. Science is

always going to be a revolving world. There's always going to be trial and

error. Yet at times they let those errors slip through the crack and don't do a

damn thing about it until years later once people are dead or left with long

term problems. As for people who think we're crazy for not taking meds, this is

the way I see it. I don't blame them. That's how we're conditioned. People

are trained that doctors are gods and those pills are the miracle of modern

science enabling us to live a longer life. I try to use myself as an example to

those with problems. That there's other ways to stay healthy. I'm also

intelligent enough that exercise and nutrition is the best way to combat and

problem with the aid of natural supplements. If my health get to the point

where I'm going to rely on Med to keep me alive, I'll be willing to pop that

pill. I just hope it never

comes back to that. Because it will then when I will realize the clock is going

to start ticking.

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832 (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

Clock ticking is the best way to discribe it. Ive never needed meds, but just

went through my 1st Tcell scare. I'd dropped to 313 and yea it did feel like a

clock starting to tick. They sent me back to confirm the count and I came back

with a 568 (highest Ive ever registered.) It made me want to say the whole

testing things a crock! But we rewind the clock and we go on. I'll continue to

test, but Im not going to let one test result bend me out of shape again like

that. My goal is to never have to face that medication question. At least hold

off on that clock as long as possible.

________________________________

From:Don <donjuan69uni@...>

To:cures for AIDS

Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 10:16:53 AM

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I couldn't agree with you more. You hit it right on the nail. Science is

always going to be a revolving world. There's always going to be trial and

error. Yet at times they let those errors slip through the crack and don't do a

damn thing about it until years later once people are dead or left with long

term problems. As for people who think we're crazy for not taking meds, this is

the way I see it. I don't blame them. That's how we're conditioned. People

are trained that doctors are gods and those pills are the miracle of modern

science enabling us to live a longer life. I try to use myself as an example to

those with problems. That there's other ways to stay healthy. I'm also

intelligent enough that exercise and nutrition is the best way to combat and

problem with the aid of natural supplements. If my health get to the point

where I'm going to rely on Med to keep me alive, I'll be willing to pop that

pill. I just hope it never

comes back to that. Because it will then when I will realize the clock is going

to start ticking.

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832 (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I know how T-Cell scares can be.  The lowest I ever was, was about 120.  But I

had a bad case of the flu when I had those labs done.  Now I'm all better.  I

don't worry much about the labs also.  My friends who are told they're

undetecable look like shit.  Yet their labs tell them they're better than

ever.  i don't know what meds do or what they do to make the labs read the way

they do but I know it's not good.  I would just hate to see my friends develope

problems in the long run.  I only go to my doctor for Labs and for the

results.  They on the other hand with their " undetecable status " , they find

themselves going to the doctor very often.  Stomach problems, facial wasting,

body wasting, neuropathy, tooth and gum problems, etc.  I don't know how the

can be convinced in their head that all that is normal.  Those are the side

effects of the drugs!  They're very toxic and unnatural.  But you can't teach

a monkey new tricks.  I wish they

would listen to me but they are so sucked into the sack it's no returning for

them.  Those who do listen to me can't stop thanking me. 

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about HIV

is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work that

way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I know how T-Cell scares can be.  The lowest I ever was, was about 120.  But I

had a bad case of the flu when I had those labs done.  Now I'm all better.  I

don't worry much about the labs also.  My friends who are told they're

undetecable look like shit.  Yet their labs tell them they're better than

ever.  i don't know what meds do or what they do to make the labs read the way

they do but I know it's not good.  I would just hate to see my friends develope

problems in the long run.  I only go to my doctor for Labs and for the

results.  They on the other hand with their " undetecable status " , they find

themselves going to the doctor very often.  Stomach problems, facial wasting,

body wasting, neuropathy, tooth and gum problems, etc.  I don't know how the

can be convinced in their head that all that is normal.  Those are the side

effects of the drugs!  They're very toxic and unnatural.  But you can't teach

a monkey new tricks.  I wish they

would listen to me but they are so sucked into the sack it's no returning for

them.  Those who do listen to me can't stop thanking me. 

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about HIV

is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work that

way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

Mike, the Perth group at www.theperthgroup.com have documented the most

comprehensive scientific critique of the HIV/AIDS hypothesis over the past 26

yrs. There are many anwsers to be found there.   

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@...>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS

Received: Monday, 10 May, 2010, 1:13 AM

 

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push

pills? Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science

that says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

Mike, the Perth group at www.theperthgroup.com have documented the most

comprehensive scientific critique of the HIV/AIDS hypothesis over the past 26

yrs. There are many anwsers to be found there.   

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@...>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS

Received: Monday, 10 May, 2010, 1:13 AM

 

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push

pills? Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science

that says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I have been quiet on this forum for some time, but I said a few months ago that

I would not disappear and I have not.  I have been watching.  I felt the need

to post today because I wanted to share an online exchange I had with an HIV poz

man on a gay chat site.  This guy looks great and is very healthy.  Here's the

chat conversation I had with him:

Nonyobiznazz: Hello.  May I ask a personal question in regards to HIV?  It's

something that I am afraid and nervous about and I want to hear the views of

other people out there.  Thanks.

Anonymous: What's your question?

Nonyobiznazz: Do you take HIV meds?  If so, what's your experience?  I am

scared to death to even think about trying them.  I've heard good and bad about

them but not ready to do that yet but I know I can't fight it alone forever.

Anonymous: I've been on meds almost as long as i've been poz which is over 20

years now.  i have no real problems with them whatsoever.  Everyone is

different and every body needs time to adjust to a med routine.  If I weren't

on meds I'm sure I would have been dead a long time ago so I give them a lot of

good points for what they do.  You just need to make sure you have a really

good and knowledgeable doctor and keep regular appts. with that person,

especially when you first start a med regime.

That's it.  Any and all comments are most welcomed.  I also would advise

people here to ask questions of others who are on meds and share them (if this

is ok with the group) because I feel we need to educate ourselves on both sides

of he equation.  Sometimes all of this seems like a gamble no matter which way

you turn.  Know what I mean?  Thanks.

Randall

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I have been quiet on this forum for some time, but I said a few months ago that

I would not disappear and I have not.  I have been watching.  I felt the need

to post today because I wanted to share an online exchange I had with an HIV poz

man on a gay chat site.  This guy looks great and is very healthy.  Here's the

chat conversation I had with him:

Nonyobiznazz: Hello.  May I ask a personal question in regards to HIV?  It's

something that I am afraid and nervous about and I want to hear the views of

other people out there.  Thanks.

Anonymous: What's your question?

Nonyobiznazz: Do you take HIV meds?  If so, what's your experience?  I am

scared to death to even think about trying them.  I've heard good and bad about

them but not ready to do that yet but I know I can't fight it alone forever.

Anonymous: I've been on meds almost as long as i've been poz which is over 20

years now.  i have no real problems with them whatsoever.  Everyone is

different and every body needs time to adjust to a med routine.  If I weren't

on meds I'm sure I would have been dead a long time ago so I give them a lot of

good points for what they do.  You just need to make sure you have a really

good and knowledgeable doctor and keep regular appts. with that person,

especially when you first start a med regime.

That's it.  Any and all comments are most welcomed.  I also would advise

people here to ask questions of others who are on meds and share them (if this

is ok with the group) because I feel we need to educate ourselves on both sides

of he equation.  Sometimes all of this seems like a gamble no matter which way

you turn.  Know what I mean?  Thanks.

Randall

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I too have met many people who give thanks to meds.  However my personal

experience with meds isn't as good as your friend Anonymous.  Some people are

fine taking pills everyday.  I on the other hand am looking for a better

solution.  I'm curious to what your friend's treatment is.  People who have

been on meds especially for HIV I'm sure are on crazy cocktails many of them

consisting of 10 or more pills.  I'm sure he's had a side effect or 2 in his

life time.  It's only natural for our bodies to respond like that to the

chemicals in medications.  Like I said if I'm ever in the position of having to

resort to taking meds I will.  Keep in mind we are only a very small percentage

of the population in using and giving alternate medicine a chance.  9 out 10

people will argue with us from one end of the earth to another about taking

medications. 

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

I too have met many people who give thanks to meds.  However my personal

experience with meds isn't as good as your friend Anonymous.  Some people are

fine taking pills everyday.  I on the other hand am looking for a better

solution.  I'm curious to what your friend's treatment is.  People who have

been on meds especially for HIV I'm sure are on crazy cocktails many of them

consisting of 10 or more pills.  I'm sure he's had a side effect or 2 in his

life time.  It's only natural for our bodies to respond like that to the

chemicals in medications.  Like I said if I'm ever in the position of having to

resort to taking meds I will.  Keep in mind we are only a very small percentage

of the population in using and giving alternate medicine a chance.  9 out 10

people will argue with us from one end of the earth to another about taking

medications. 

From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push pills?

Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science that

says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not fond

of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me the

info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at our

own decisions.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch the

following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they

measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for

NOT taking drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors

are trained to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't

work that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

Randall,

I could not have said it better. Thank you. The answer your chat friend gave you

is true for me as well. I would have been dead a long time ago with out HIV

meds. I read a lot of banter in this group about those not taking meds. They are

asking to die a horrible slow miserable death with immeasurable suffering. After

reading many of the posted messages it sounds like some are encouraging people

to not take meds. This is a grave mistake! Many years ago I was at a meeting

about taking HIV medications. The topic was whether to take meds or not. Many

people complained about the miseries of side effects. A woman got up and boldly

stated she was not going to take anything that makes her sick. I had to reply

and I told her just as I tell you now, " honey you are stuck between a rock and a

hard place. If you think the medicine makes you sick wait till you see what the

virus does to you. " That is the truth. When I said that many people were

shocked. The facilitators did not want to touch my statement and they minimized

it as much as they could. Coddling those who think they can live with this

virus and enjoy a normal healthy life is only misleading them and taking them to

a miserable prolonged horrible death. Look what happened in the 1980's when

Silence Equaled Death. For those too young to have witnessed this look it up.

Since the 1980's the HIV virus has not changed. Sooner or later it will kill you

and before death takes you it will be miserably horrible for you. The only

chance to enjoy as normal a life as possible is by taking your medicine as

prescribed every day. Keep and show up for all your doctor, and lab

appointments. Live as healthy a life as possible, which means no recreational

drugs, including nicotine and alcohol, eat protein and the best food and water

available, and get proper rest and exercise.

Be well.

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

Randall,

I could not have said it better. Thank you. The answer your chat friend gave you

is true for me as well. I would have been dead a long time ago with out HIV

meds. I read a lot of banter in this group about those not taking meds. They are

asking to die a horrible slow miserable death with immeasurable suffering. After

reading many of the posted messages it sounds like some are encouraging people

to not take meds. This is a grave mistake! Many years ago I was at a meeting

about taking HIV medications. The topic was whether to take meds or not. Many

people complained about the miseries of side effects. A woman got up and boldly

stated she was not going to take anything that makes her sick. I had to reply

and I told her just as I tell you now, " honey you are stuck between a rock and a

hard place. If you think the medicine makes you sick wait till you see what the

virus does to you. " That is the truth. When I said that many people were

shocked. The facilitators did not want to touch my statement and they minimized

it as much as they could. Coddling those who think they can live with this

virus and enjoy a normal healthy life is only misleading them and taking them to

a miserable prolonged horrible death. Look what happened in the 1980's when

Silence Equaled Death. For those too young to have witnessed this look it up.

Since the 1980's the HIV virus has not changed. Sooner or later it will kill you

and before death takes you it will be miserably horrible for you. The only

chance to enjoy as normal a life as possible is by taking your medicine as

prescribed every day. Keep and show up for all your doctor, and lab

appointments. Live as healthy a life as possible, which means no recreational

drugs, including nicotine and alcohol, eat protein and the best food and water

available, and get proper rest and exercise.

Be well.

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

Doug man, you are implying that the option to take the HIV cocktail is

somehow not available if someone starts getting sick. If a person's

regimen isn't working for them, they always have the option to go on

meds at that point. Personally I have been on both sides of the fence

ever since my diagnosis about 20 years ago, and I know my body is

doing great on or off the drugs, but my liver and other organs are

much happier off the drugs, which I have now been for about a year and

a half.

I hate it when doctors and people such as yourself preach fear, which

is a big issue for all with the diagnosis and which drives down the

immune system. " Just be afraid and buy our poison for as long as you

live! " . I say don't be afraid, but research rationally all opinions on

this, and be very sceptical of salesmen that want to hook you on drugs.

On May 9, 2010, at 11:18 PM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> Randall,

> I could not have said it better. Thank you. The answer your chat

> friend gave you is true for me as well. I would have been dead a

> long time ago with out HIV meds. I read a lot of banter in this

> group about those not taking meds. They are asking to die a horrible

> slow miserable death with immeasurable suffering. After reading many

> of the posted messages it sounds like some are encouraging people to

> not take meds. This is a grave mistake! Many years ago I was at a

> meeting about taking HIV medications. The topic was whether to take

> meds or not. Many people complained about the miseries of side

> effects. A woman got up and boldly stated she was not going to take

> anything that makes her sick. I had to reply and I told her just as

> I tell you now, " honey you are stuck between a rock and a hard

> place. If you think the medicine makes you sick wait till you see

> what the virus does to you. " That is the truth. When I said that

> many people were shocked. The facilitators did not want to touch my

> statement and they minimized it as much as they could. Coddling

> those who think they can live with this virus and enjoy a normal

> healthy life is only misleading them and taking them to a miserable

> prolonged horrible death. Look what happened in the 1980's when

> Silence Equaled Death. For those too young to have witnessed this

> look it up. Since the 1980's the HIV virus has not changed. Sooner

> or later it will kill you and before death takes you it will be

> miserably horrible for you. The only chance to enjoy as normal a

> life as possible is by taking your medicine as prescribed every day.

> Keep and show up for all your doctor, and lab appointments. Live as

> healthy a life as possible, which means no recreational drugs,

> including nicotine and alcohol, eat protein and the best food and

> water available, and get proper rest and exercise.

> Be well.

>

>

> Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doug man, you are implying that the option to take the HIV cocktail is

somehow not available if someone starts getting sick. If a person's

regimen isn't working for them, they always have the option to go on

meds at that point. Personally I have been on both sides of the fence

ever since my diagnosis about 20 years ago, and I know my body is

doing great on or off the drugs, but my liver and other organs are

much happier off the drugs, which I have now been for about a year and

a half.

I hate it when doctors and people such as yourself preach fear, which

is a big issue for all with the diagnosis and which drives down the

immune system. " Just be afraid and buy our poison for as long as you

live! " . I say don't be afraid, but research rationally all opinions on

this, and be very sceptical of salesmen that want to hook you on drugs.

On May 9, 2010, at 11:18 PM, " DOUG MAN " <dougman1@...> wrote:

> Randall,

> I could not have said it better. Thank you. The answer your chat

> friend gave you is true for me as well. I would have been dead a

> long time ago with out HIV meds. I read a lot of banter in this

> group about those not taking meds. They are asking to die a horrible

> slow miserable death with immeasurable suffering. After reading many

> of the posted messages it sounds like some are encouraging people to

> not take meds. This is a grave mistake! Many years ago I was at a

> meeting about taking HIV medications. The topic was whether to take

> meds or not. Many people complained about the miseries of side

> effects. A woman got up and boldly stated she was not going to take

> anything that makes her sick. I had to reply and I told her just as

> I tell you now, " honey you are stuck between a rock and a hard

> place. If you think the medicine makes you sick wait till you see

> what the virus does to you. " That is the truth. When I said that

> many people were shocked. The facilitators did not want to touch my

> statement and they minimized it as much as they could. Coddling

> those who think they can live with this virus and enjoy a normal

> healthy life is only misleading them and taking them to a miserable

> prolonged horrible death. Look what happened in the 1980's when

> Silence Equaled Death. For those too young to have witnessed this

> look it up. Since the 1980's the HIV virus has not changed. Sooner

> or later it will kill you and before death takes you it will be

> miserably horrible for you. The only chance to enjoy as normal a

> life as possible is by taking your medicine as prescribed every day.

> Keep and show up for all your doctor, and lab appointments. Live as

> healthy a life as possible, which means no recreational drugs,

> including nicotine and alcohol, eat protein and the best food and

> water available, and get proper rest and exercise.

> Be well.

>

>

> Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anonymous has been on medication for over 20 years. I'm sure he has experienced

all kinds of unpleasant side effects. I know I have and I take almost 50 pills @

day (no exaggeration). Yes I take medicine for the medicine. So what, one does

what they have to do. Man up about it and just do it. Remember we are stuck

between a rock and a hard place. Where you rest is your call.

HIV is a tough virus to beat. To succeed we need all the help we can get. I

suggest you take both prescribed medicine together with alternative medicine.

That way if one fails the other might succeed. All you will know is that you

remain healthy, and that is the goal. As for side effects, alternative medicine

has side effects too. A good friend of mine is a doctor. He told me everything

has a side effect, even a glass of water. It makes you piss. There are ways of

handling side effects so do not be afraid of them.

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

Anonymous has been on medication for over 20 years. I'm sure he has experienced

all kinds of unpleasant side effects. I know I have and I take almost 50 pills @

day (no exaggeration). Yes I take medicine for the medicine. So what, one does

what they have to do. Man up about it and just do it. Remember we are stuck

between a rock and a hard place. Where you rest is your call.

HIV is a tough virus to beat. To succeed we need all the help we can get. I

suggest you take both prescribed medicine together with alternative medicine.

That way if one fails the other might succeed. All you will know is that you

remain healthy, and that is the goal. As for side effects, alternative medicine

has side effects too. A good friend of mine is a doctor. He told me everything

has a side effect, even a glass of water. It makes you piss. There are ways of

handling side effects so do not be afraid of them.

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

also go see

www.houseofnumbers. com

Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE AIDS.

All we need is good nutrition.

WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

[Guest guest]

havnt signed in in a while...but the bs has brought me in. If you have been on

meds since the 1980's, then you must know you broke the statistical barrier by

far. Personally find it hard to believe since the azt of the 80's was str8

poison and killed everyone that took it within 5-8 years. and telling people

they will die of a miserable life without meds is rude, obserd, selfish. If one

feels healthy and their numbers are in relatively normal range, there is

absolutely no reason to take chemotherapy which poisons the body worse than it

poisons the disease. You are obviously one of a kind with luck or just a drug

pusher. " wait till you see what the virus does to you " ..... do you even know of

a soul that died of the virus that never took any meds??? doubt it. and 50

pills a day, what kind of lies is this....and you keep referring to " you " not

us....seems like u may not even have hiv....pusher

" Coddling those who think they can live with this virus and enjoy a normal

healthy life is only misleading them and taking them to a miserable prolonged

horrible death " I am living a normal healthy life and many others are

also!!!!!!

you are a pusher and should just leave; noone here wants your pharma

supplies...bye....bye....bye

if your life has been so non-miserable, why are u even on this group after 20 or

30 years. even my doctor is more honest than you;lol

>

> From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

>

> Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

>

> Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

>

> GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push

pills? Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science

that says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

>

> I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not

fond of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me

the info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at

our own decisions.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

>

> To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

>

> Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

>

> Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE

AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

havnt signed in in a while...but the bs has brought me in. If you have been on

meds since the 1980's, then you must know you broke the statistical barrier by

far. Personally find it hard to believe since the azt of the 80's was str8

poison and killed everyone that took it within 5-8 years. and telling people

they will die of a miserable life without meds is rude, obserd, selfish. If one

feels healthy and their numbers are in relatively normal range, there is

absolutely no reason to take chemotherapy which poisons the body worse than it

poisons the disease. You are obviously one of a kind with luck or just a drug

pusher. " wait till you see what the virus does to you " ..... do you even know of

a soul that died of the virus that never took any meds??? doubt it. and 50

pills a day, what kind of lies is this....and you keep referring to " you " not

us....seems like u may not even have hiv....pusher

" Coddling those who think they can live with this virus and enjoy a normal

healthy life is only misleading them and taking them to a miserable prolonged

horrible death " I am living a normal healthy life and many others are

also!!!!!!

you are a pusher and should just leave; noone here wants your pharma

supplies...bye....bye....bye

if your life has been so non-miserable, why are u even on this group after 20 or

30 years. even my doctor is more honest than you;lol

>

> From: mike thacker <lvnntn8832@ . com>

>

> Subject: Re: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

>

> Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:13 AM

>

> GRRRRRRR To be fair where are your A Bs and Cs? Dr's are trained to push

pills? Kind of a broad statement isnt that? I am very interested in the science

that says HIV is a harmless passenger virus, mind you I want the science not

connecting dots. As I try and take all this in it seems to me neither side of

the issue has a firm grasp on whats really going on. Sure the medical community

thinks we are crazy not to take the medication, and there are those on the other

side that say if we do them we are crazy. For my part I do believe people die of

something and you can or cant put a name on it. Labs may or may not mean

anything. Do I know enough to call labs bunk? NO. Do I know good nutrition and

healthy lifestyle makes a difference? Of course! If it comes down to it and I

cant maintain my health on my own, will i take the drugs? You better believe it!

>

> I dont care for post that want me to go pay to watch something. And Im not

fond of absolutes on either side or bashing without supporting facts. Give me

the info, dont tell me what truth is or what to believe We all need to arrive at

our own decisions.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> From:RICHARD <rjschusterman@ gmail.com>

>

> To:cures for AIDS@ grou ps.com

>

> Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:33:34 AM

>

> Subject: Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks and watch

the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts and Viral

Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors tell us they measure.

Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically told me I was stupid for NOT taking

drugs. He also does drug studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained

to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything. Everything about

HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must be true. Science doesn't work

that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT CAUSE

AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The absolute worst thing you can do Dan is start and stop meds. That is how you

" teach " the virus in your body to be resistant to whatever you were taking. You

should know this. I am glad you have been healthy for a year and a half. Without

meds you might be healthy for another 10 or more years, but sooner or later the

virus will get you and when it does it will be ugly, to say the least. The

immune system is very resilient. It takes HIV a long time wear it down, but make

no mistake that it will wear down. Look at the horror of the many places in the

world where HIV medicines are simply not available. You say I am preaching fear.

I call it truth. I saw it back in the 80's and it continues today.

'If a person's

regimen isn't working for them, they always have the option to go on

meds at that point. " that is true but why wait till you are half dead to start

taking something that can extend the quality of your life now? That is why I

started medicine as soon as I was diagnosed back in 1986. This is a debate that

rages on in the HIV community. What I can tell you is that the sooner one starts

meds the longer and better their quality of life will be, side effects and all.

That is why the recommended starting point for meds keeps getting moved up. In

fact the SanFranisco health department now recommends starting meds as soon as

one is diagnosed being positive. Also, the healthier one is when taking meds the

better one can tolerate the medicine.

Of course the medicine is poison. I want it to poison the HIV virus. Taking

medicine is a balancing act between poisoning the virus and poisoning the entire

person. When AZT first came out, in the mid 80's, the dose given was so high

some people were poisoned by it, and they died from the AZT. We have learned a

lot since then. Are you going to risk the long term quality of your life because

of the balancing act? That is your choice. You are stuck between a rock and a

hard place.

As for your organs (liver and such) you are talking about side effects. There

are ways of dealing with them. You sound like the woman in the meeting I went to

who wouldn't take anything that makes her sick. I feel sorry for you.

Doug

Viral Loads and T-Cells Counts: IT'S ALL BS!

>

> I strong suggest that everyone on this site pay a couple of bucks

> and watch the following:

>

> http://www.hiv- aids-factorfraud .com/

>

> also go see

>

> www.houseofnumbers. com

>

> Everything we've been told about HIV=AIDS is wrong. T-Cell Counts

> and Viral Loads don't mean anything. They don't measure what doctors

> tell us they measure. Stop worrying about it. My doctor basically

> told me I was stupid for NOT taking drugs. He also does drug

> studies. We need to remember that doctors are trained to push pills.

>

> HIV is a harmless passenger virus that doesn't do anything.

> Everything about HIV is assumptive science. If A, B, C then D must

> be true. Science doesn't work that way.

>

> Educate yourself. We are fine. We don't need pharma. HIV DOES NOT

> CAUSE AIDS. All we need is good nutrition.

>

> WATCH HIV=AIDS: FACT OR FRAUD.

>

>