Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

[Guest guest]

What she is saying is that there is no hard evidence that what makes you sick is

a virus called HIV.  She is not saying that you didn't contract something from

sexual activity.  She is not saying that you didn't catch something and get

sick.  It's just that some people don't believe that it's a virus; that's

all.  Dr. believed it was a parasite, or fluke.  Because of the toxins

in the body, the fluke migrates to the thymus. When your thymus is under attack,

the body begins to fail.  Hey, there are plenty of hypotheses out there...

From: NS <calmlotusflower>

Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV exists

because I am sick " .

There is no way you can know HIV exists. No way at all. Even if you're sick.. My

mother is sick at the moment, does that mean she has HIV? No. The two things are

NOT related.

If a scientist cannot see HIV, you certainly cannot.

They do not see HIV in an HIV test. They see a particle of YOUR antibody.. An

antibody is something that YOUR body makes in defense of a foreign invader. It

is not a virus nor is it any part of a virus.

They do NOT see HIV in an HIV test.

They are still to isolate HIV. There is debate about the validity of the HIV

theory because it is nothing like hepatitis, varicella, influenza... the

difference is there is no debate those viruses exist. They have been properly

isolated and the isolation can be and has been replicated and peer reviewed.

This is not the case with HIV.

Does that mean you're not sick? No. Does that mean AIDS isn't real? NO! It just

means they are overlooking a potentially massive medical area and that is the

CAUSE of these illnesses.

Please, stop saying you " know " HIV exists because you are " sick " . It's a

different thing to say AIDS exists because you are " sick " . Do not confuse the

two.

As proof for yourself, go to your doctor and ask him/her if they can see the

actual virus in your blood - if they, or pathology, have seen with any kind of

equipment the HIV in your blood. If s/he says yes, get another doctor.. They are

too poorly educated to treat you effectively. Before you leave that doctor, tell

him/her to call pathology and ask them what they HAVE actually seen in your

blood - because it isn't a virus. It is a particle of either your antibody or a

particle of a particle of a DNA strand that can be many things.

These are the FACTS. The rest is opinion and conjecture.

Educate yourself and then educate your medical care team. Do not be afraid to do

this, because lives are in their hands and they are spreading misinformation -

not intentionally, they just DO NOT KNOW.

[Guest guest]

Try this one: _http://www.blip.tv/file/2784131_

(http://www.blip.tv/file/2784131)

In a message dated 12/8/2009 11:40:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

danielnv.martin@... writes:

The Lieb interview is no longer online, FYI.

I agree with you that there are a lot of lies being told about HIV and

AIDS. The disagreement seems to be only over whether there is a

nugget of truth (a virus) about which all the lies have been told and

a lack of education about how to properly deal with it, or if the

virus itself is a lie as well. It is very true that people who expect

to get sick will get sick, and many times death is a self-fulfilling

prophecy-especially when people party with toxic street drugs, or take

the more toxic HIV drugs.

On 12/8/09, _aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...)

<_aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...) > wrote:

> I've been telling my story for 3 decades.

>

> _YouTube - Trapped in a Pharmaceutical nightmare!_

> (_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDUhA39lFMU) )

>

> Since this 2 minute video I have found a doctor and weaned off all

drugs.

> Still looking for an attorney.

>

> This interview was done in July of this year: _ Lieb, and his

> experience with the HIV scam._ (_http://truther9.http://truthehttp://_

(http://truther9.blip.tv/file/2533927) )

>

> There is plenty of living proof that HIV/AIDS is big lie. You doubters

> should have attended the 2009 Rethinking AIDS Conference in Oakland last

> month. Watch for the opening of House of Numbers near you.

>

> Times they are a-changing.

[Guest guest]

I don't know if it was a laser beam. I'm hearing more and more about

microwaves being used to scramble one's brain. Do you have a better

explanation for how an unbelievably healthy fitness coach is suddenly crippled

and

diagnosed with MS -- from which he fully recovered (in about 6 months) with

no medical intervention? I know if you had experienced what I did just

before I passed out, you'd have no trouble with this explanation.

In a message dated 12/9/2009 2:35:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jamgerdar@... writes:

you know i was in his corner right up till he started talking about the

guy getting shot with laser beams in his apt.

[Guest guest]

The Lieb interview is no longer online, FYI.

I agree with you that there are a lot of lies being told about HIV and

AIDS. The disagreement seems to be only over whether there is a

nugget of truth (a virus) about which all the lies have been told and

a lack of education about how to properly deal with it, or if the

virus itself is a lie as well. It is very true that people who expect

to get sick will get sick, and many times death is a self-fulfilling

prophecy-especially when people party with toxic street drugs, or take

the more toxic HIV drugs.

On 12/8/09, aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...> wrote:

> I've been telling my story for 3 decades.

>

> _YouTube - Trapped in a Pharmaceutical nightmare!_

> (

)

>

> Since this 2 minute video I have found a doctor and weaned off all drugs.

> Still looking for an attorney.

>

> This interview was done in July of this year: _ Lieb, and his

> experience with the HIV scam._ (http://truther9.blip.tv/file/2533927)

>

> There is plenty of living proof that HIV/AIDS is big lie. You doubters

> should have attended the 2009 Rethinking AIDS Conference in Oakland last

> month. Watch for the opening of House of Numbers near you.

>

> Times they are a-changing.

[Guest guest]

you know i was in his corner right up till he started talking about the guy

getting shot with laser beams in his apt.

________________________________

From: " aidsisover@... " <aidsisover@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 2:20:32 AM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

Try this one: _http://www.blip.tv/file/2784131_

(http://www.blip.tv/file/2784131)

In a message dated 12/8/2009 11:40:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

danielnv.martin@... writes:

The Lieb interview is no longer online, FYI.

I agree with you that there are a lot of lies being told about HIV and

AIDS. The disagreement seems to be only over whether there is a

nugget of truth (a virus) about which all the lies have been told and

a lack of education about how to properly deal with it, or if the

virus itself is a lie as well. It is very true that people who expect

to get sick will get sick, and many times death is a self-fulfilling

prophecy-especially when people party with toxic street drugs, or take

the more toxic HIV drugs.

On 12/8/09, _aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...)

<_aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...) > wrote:

> I've been telling my story for 3 decades.

>

> _YouTube - Trapped in a Pharmaceutical nightmare!_

> (_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDUhA39lFMU) )

>

> Since this 2 minute video I have found a doctor and weaned off all

drugs.

> Still looking for an attorney.

>

> This interview was done in July of this year: _ Lieb, and his

> experience with the HIV scam._ (_http://truther9.http://truthehttp://_

(http://truther9.blip.tv/file/2533927) )

>

> There is plenty of living proof that HIV/AIDS is big lie. You doubters

> should have attended the 2009 Rethinking AIDS Conference in Oakland last

> month. Watch for the opening of House of Numbers near you.

>

> Times they are a-changing.

[Guest guest]

Read the Dr. Padian study, the longest on record, of almost ten years.

HIV- and HIV+ couples had sex. Not one of the HIV-s became positive. Not one!

Many of our partners have sex with us because they know that it is not sexually

transmitted. Besides, if it was, there would be millions of new cases each year

in this country and there is not, just the same old number that has been there

for the past 25 years, approximately, 40,000. HIV does not fit the standard STD

either, it is not in the sex, race, age group, nor the section of the country

which has the most STD's.

Another issue, when the CDC added the CD4 criteria to the mix, the AIDS cases

doubled in this country over night. In reality, there are very few true

full-blown AIDS cases, about 8,000 per year out of a 300 million population. It

has remained in the original risk group. Does this sound like a virus? Not

hardly. There are many reasons that people develop AIDS, but how can a harmless

passenger virus cause this. Luc Montagnier stated that there had to be

co-factors. No one is searching for them. You might watch him on You Tube where

he states that HIV can be cleared from the body without drugs and vaccines. He

should know what he is talking about, as he discovered the virus and won the

Nobel Prize for it.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you, first of all the reason they test for

the antibody at first is to see if there has been exposure.  I've known many

people who have carried the anti body for Hep C and for HIV but that doesn't

mean they have hep C or HIV it just means their body was exposed to it.  Why

would the body make an Anti body for something you claim to be non existant? 

The virus has been seen and I have seen the illustrations of what the HIV looks

like and how it searches for a host cell to infect it but that we have learned a

lot about it, the binding factors HIV has binds the healthy cells and inject

their RNA in the cell.  It's still in question if HIV is a virus or not maybe

that's why you claim people haven't seen it.  They're looking for viral

properies and if indeed HIV is NOT a virus then you're not going to see those

Viral properties.  I believe HIV is REAL but I'm still uncertain if indeed it

is a Virus.  The bottom

line is there's LOTS and LOTS of information out there about HIV.  The problem

is everyone is going to have to choose a side.  If you claim it's non existant

then you're going to look for articles and theories supporting YOUR theory. 

That's how we are.  I tend to read material that treat HIV as existant.

From: NS <calmlotusflower@...>

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

cures for AIDS

Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 1:55 AM

 

Sorry to burst your bubble but it has NOT been seen. To see a virus for starters

takes the kind of equipment most scientists do not have access to. Hence why HIV

tests do not test for the virus, but for antibodies and DNA pieces and whatnot.

Hence why there are still hundreds of thousands of dollars outstanding for

anyone who can actually SHOW EVIDENCE (sorry, not yelling) of HIV. In fact, some

scientists would be happy if they just evidenced isolation of HIV.

Yes, it is a new millenium and we still can't find HIV. Be angry at them for

this, not US.

Btw, like most people who originally came here, I am here BECAUSE I don't

believe the hype, not because I do. There are plenty of places out there that

will prop up your belief system. In fact, finding a place like this is very

rare, such is the drenched market out there. Some believe in HIV, some don't,

but altogether we are here to find solutions to a problem we see entirely

differently to the majority. Belief that the virus exists is not a prerequisite

to curing AIDS.

Step one, shake the belief that AIDS = HIV. YES, I have said several times that

I believe people get sick. I just reject the HIV hypothesis, because it is so

full of holes it is a sieve. The fact they haven't isolated it in a peer

reviewed trial is disgusting! The fact they haven't actually even seen it EVER

is disgusting (isolation doesn't mean you even have to see it, but they haven't

even isolated it). But what really burns is that they have extrapolated things

enough that they have pictures of " HIV " , drawings of it, which to the layman

makes it so much more real. Hey, look, here it is, it must be real!

They admit they haven't seen it, I'm not being all conspiratorial about that

part, they admit that. Science cannot see it. But they believed the science

reported by Gallo when he said his labs had isolated it and it was published in

a peer reviewed journal and accepted as fact. It need never been isolated again,

just like other scientific research, once it is accepted as evidence. And that

is where it stayed. Please research the isolation of HIV.

Here's a head start: http://www.virusmyt h.com/aids/ hiv/pp101basics. htm

I haven't read the other posts on this, I will later, just had to remark on this

post. I'm getting tired of telling people that I do not deny they are sick. I

wish it had never been said on this forum. I BELIEVE in AIDS, ok? Of course you

know what goes on in your body. But you cannot tell me if it is a virus or what

it is, ALL you can tell me is how you feel. Following? HIV is debatable. AIDS is

not. Not to me.

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> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ ...>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

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> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

exists because I am sick " .

>

> There is no way you can know HIV exists. No way at all. Even if you're sick.

My mother is sick at the moment, does that mean she has HIV? No. The two things

are NOT related.

>

> If a scientist cannot see HIV, you certainly cannot.

>

> They do not see HIV in an HIV test. They see a particle of YOUR antibody. An

antibody is something that YOUR body makes in defense of a foreign invader. It

is not a virus nor is it any part of a virus.

>

> They do NOT see HIV in an HIV test.

>

> They are still to isolate HIV. There is debate about the validity of the HIV

theory because it is nothing like hepatitis, varicella, influenza... the

difference is there is no debate those viruses exist. They have been properly

isolated and the isolation can be and has been replicated and peer reviewed.

This is not the case with HIV.

>

> Does that mean you're not sick? No. Does that mean AIDS isn't real? NO! It

just means they are overlooking a potentially massive medical area and that is

the CAUSE of these illnesses.

>

> Please, stop saying you " know " HIV exists because you are " sick " . It's a

different thing to say AIDS exists because you are " sick " . Do not confuse the

two.

>

> As proof for yourself, go to your doctor and ask him/her if they can see the

actual virus in your blood - if they, or pathology, have seen with any kind of

equipment the HIV in your blood. If s/he says yes, get another doctor. They are

too poorly educated to treat you effectively. Before you leave that doctor, tell

him/her to call pathology and ask them what they HAVE actually seen in your

blood - because it isn't a virus. It is a particle of either your antibody or a

particle of a particle of a DNA strand that can be many things.

>

> These are the FACTS. The rest is opinion and conjecture.

>

> Educate yourself and then educate your medical care team. Do not be afraid to

do this, because lives are in their hands and they are spreading misinformation

- not intentionally, they just DO NOT KNOW.

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