Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

[Guest guest]

I totally get what you're saying but at the same time, let's say for example, I

have this friend now who wants to have sex with me. I tell him I cannot because

I am hiv+. Now if I did not tell him and proceed to have unprotected sex with

him, be it hiv or whatever you wanna name " it, " that guy, if unprotected could

" potentially " catch " something " from me and he would end up getting sick!

He would go to the clinic a few weeks to a few months later and test " hiv "

positive! So ok, they don't " see " hiv in my blood. They've never isolated it-

fair enough. However, this guy that I can have unprotected sex with could

potentially get infected after having sex with me and end up ill and testing

positive on an hiv test. There is a correlation and " something " is there.

We're just giving it the name " hiv " which we feel is making us sick. Better

yet, let's call it " unknown. "

I have caught something " unknown " to scientists through unprotected sex (which

in fact, it was oral in my case), and as a result I came down with an illness

that has left me sick and over time has gradually gotten worse. Many others in

this group got sick as well and it seemed to relate to a sexual act where

" unknown " was known to be involved. As a result, the guy with " unknown " entered

the guy who didn't have " unknown " before and now he is sick.

They are calling unknown " hiv. " So I have tested positive for hiv and my health

has declined since contracting this thing called hiv. So when I say that I am

sick with hiv, I am saying that I was involved in a sexual act which led me to

be ill later on, and then I tested positive for some unknown, unproven virus

called hiv. I don't know about the rest of you, but there seems to be some

correlation.

We need to stop worrying about if hiv exists and look at the fact that people

who have tested positive for hiv get sick and sicker as time progresses and yes,

they ultimately die. I am not on the meds but I have a really good friend who

told me that the anti-virals saved his life. Even tho I hear that from him, it

still scares me to death to even think about taking those pills for the rest of

my life. Is there a right answer? I don't know but I sure as hell haven't

heard it yet from anyone!

________________________________

From: NS <calmlotusflower@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 3:28:51 PM

Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV exists

because I am sick " .

There is no way you can know HIV exists. No way at all. Even if you're sick.

My mother is sick at the moment, does that mean she has HIV? No. The two

things are NOT related.

If a scientist cannot see HIV, you certainly cannot.

They do not see HIV in an HIV test. They see a particle of YOUR antibody. An

antibody is something that YOUR body makes in defense of a foreign invader. It

is not a virus nor is it any part of a virus.

They do NOT see HIV in an HIV test.

They are still to isolate HIV. There is debate about the validity of the HIV

theory because it is nothing like hepatitis, varicella, influenza... the

difference is there is no debate those viruses exist. They have been properly

isolated and the isolation can be and has been replicated and peer reviewed.

This is not the case with HIV.

Does that mean you're not sick? No. Does that mean AIDS isn't real? NO! It

just means they are overlooking a potentially massive medical area and that is

the CAUSE of these illnesses.

Please, stop saying you " know " HIV exists because you are " sick " . It's a

different thing to say AIDS exists because you are " sick " . Do not confuse the

two.

As proof for yourself, go to your doctor and ask him/her if they can see the

actual virus in your blood - if they, or pathology, have seen with any kind of

equipment the HIV in your blood. If s/he says yes, get another doctor. They

are too poorly educated to treat you effectively. Before you leave that doctor,

tell him/her to call pathology and ask them what they HAVE actually seen in your

blood - because it isn't a virus. It is a particle of either your antibody or a

particle of a particle of a DNA strand that can be many things..

These are the FACTS. The rest is opinion and conjecture.

Educate yourself and then educate your medical care team. Do not be afraid to

do this, because lives are in their hands and they are spreading misinformation

- not intentionally, they just DO NOT KNOW.

[Guest guest]

I totally get what you're saying but at the same time, let's say for example, I

have this friend now who wants to have sex with me. I tell him I cannot because

I am hiv+. Now if I did not tell him and proceed to have unprotected sex with

him, be it hiv or whatever you wanna name " it, " that guy, if unprotected could

" potentially " catch " something " from me and he would end up getting sick!

He would go to the clinic a few weeks to a few months later and test " hiv "

positive! So ok, they don't " see " hiv in my blood. They've never isolated it-

fair enough. However, this guy that I can have unprotected sex with could

potentially get infected after having sex with me and end up ill and testing

positive on an hiv test. There is a correlation and " something " is there.

We're just giving it the name " hiv " which we feel is making us sick. Better

yet, let's call it " unknown. "

I have caught something " unknown " to scientists through unprotected sex (which

in fact, it was oral in my case), and as a result I came down with an illness

that has left me sick and over time has gradually gotten worse. Many others in

this group got sick as well and it seemed to relate to a sexual act where

" unknown " was known to be involved. As a result, the guy with " unknown " entered

the guy who didn't have " unknown " before and now he is sick.

They are calling unknown " hiv. " So I have tested positive for hiv and my health

has declined since contracting this thing called hiv. So when I say that I am

sick with hiv, I am saying that I was involved in a sexual act which led me to

be ill later on, and then I tested positive for some unknown, unproven virus

called hiv. I don't know about the rest of you, but there seems to be some

correlation.

We need to stop worrying about if hiv exists and look at the fact that people

who have tested positive for hiv get sick and sicker as time progresses and yes,

they ultimately die. I am not on the meds but I have a really good friend who

told me that the anti-virals saved his life. Even tho I hear that from him, it

still scares me to death to even think about taking those pills for the rest of

my life. Is there a right answer? I don't know but I sure as hell haven't

heard it yet from anyone!

________________________________

From: NS <calmlotusflower@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 3:28:51 PM

Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV exists

because I am sick " .

There is no way you can know HIV exists. No way at all. Even if you're sick.

My mother is sick at the moment, does that mean she has HIV? No. The two

things are NOT related.

If a scientist cannot see HIV, you certainly cannot.

They do not see HIV in an HIV test. They see a particle of YOUR antibody. An

antibody is something that YOUR body makes in defense of a foreign invader. It

is not a virus nor is it any part of a virus.

They do NOT see HIV in an HIV test.

They are still to isolate HIV. There is debate about the validity of the HIV

theory because it is nothing like hepatitis, varicella, influenza... the

difference is there is no debate those viruses exist. They have been properly

isolated and the isolation can be and has been replicated and peer reviewed.

This is not the case with HIV.

Does that mean you're not sick? No. Does that mean AIDS isn't real? NO! It

just means they are overlooking a potentially massive medical area and that is

the CAUSE of these illnesses.

Please, stop saying you " know " HIV exists because you are " sick " . It's a

different thing to say AIDS exists because you are " sick " . Do not confuse the

two.

As proof for yourself, go to your doctor and ask him/her if they can see the

actual virus in your blood - if they, or pathology, have seen with any kind of

equipment the HIV in your blood. If s/he says yes, get another doctor. They

are too poorly educated to treat you effectively. Before you leave that doctor,

tell him/her to call pathology and ask them what they HAVE actually seen in your

blood - because it isn't a virus. It is a particle of either your antibody or a

particle of a particle of a DNA strand that can be many things..

These are the FACTS. The rest is opinion and conjecture.

Educate yourself and then educate your medical care team. Do not be afraid to

do this, because lives are in their hands and they are spreading misinformation

- not intentionally, they just DO NOT KNOW.

[Guest guest]

This is true. The so-called viral load is not measuring a true virus when it

comes to HIV. Also, the measurement of CD4's are not iron-clad either, as they

vascilate up and down. People have died with high CD4's as well as low ones.

There are better indicators for health than either of these, yet, these are the

golden rods used for and HIV or AIDS patient. Someone once told me to stay away

from the AIDS doctors, maybe they were right because they are mostly

closed-minded and won't budge an inch in their thinking.

Personally, I have decided to rebuilt my health with supplements,herbs, exercise

and other positive means and to stay away from toxic measures, including the flu

shot scares. I feel that most of us already have a toxic overload in our bodies

by just being on the planet, some worst than others. But, there are many

positive means to eliminate these. I am amazed at the things that the mainstream

doctors never even consider testing the patient for, such as heavy metals,

chemicals, nutrient levels, etc. They herd us in like cattle with the same old

tests and never do they think outside of the box. Try talking to most, they are

too busy to do the same to the next person. We must take control of our own

destiny, no more so than when it comes to our health.

[Guest guest]

This is true. The so-called viral load is not measuring a true virus when it

comes to HIV. Also, the measurement of CD4's are not iron-clad either, as they

vascilate up and down. People have died with high CD4's as well as low ones.

There are better indicators for health than either of these, yet, these are the

golden rods used for and HIV or AIDS patient. Someone once told me to stay away

from the AIDS doctors, maybe they were right because they are mostly

closed-minded and won't budge an inch in their thinking.

Personally, I have decided to rebuilt my health with supplements,herbs, exercise

and other positive means and to stay away from toxic measures, including the flu

shot scares. I feel that most of us already have a toxic overload in our bodies

by just being on the planet, some worst than others. But, there are many

positive means to eliminate these. I am amazed at the things that the mainstream

doctors never even consider testing the patient for, such as heavy metals,

chemicals, nutrient levels, etc. They herd us in like cattle with the same old

tests and never do they think outside of the box. Try talking to most, they are

too busy to do the same to the next person. We must take control of our own

destiny, no more so than when it comes to our health.

[Guest guest]

Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies!  I know something has

been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed.  HIV has been SEEN in tests

before I don't know where you're getting this information.  It's true that in

the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30 years

later incase you haven't noticed.  HIV or AIDS had never been heard of when

cases were first documented.  Now test know what to look for.  The virus binds

to your RNA then to your DNA.  If you don't believe HIV has any existance then

why are you here?  Why be a part of a message where the issue in question you

believe to be myth.  People join this group everyday for help and guidance. 

You're not providing any help I'm sorry.  You people who don't believe HIV is

real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

 

From: NS <calmlotusflower@...>

Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

 

I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV exists

because I am sick " .

There is no way you can know HIV exists. No way at all. Even if you're sick. My

mother is sick at the moment, does that mean she has HIV? No. The two things are

NOT related.

If a scientist cannot see HIV, you certainly cannot.

They do not see HIV in an HIV test. They see a particle of YOUR antibody. An

antibody is something that YOUR body makes in defense of a foreign invader. It

is not a virus nor is it any part of a virus.

They do NOT see HIV in an HIV test.

They are still to isolate HIV. There is debate about the validity of the HIV

theory because it is nothing like hepatitis, varicella, influenza... the

difference is there is no debate those viruses exist. They have been properly

isolated and the isolation can be and has been replicated and peer reviewed.

This is not the case with HIV.

Does that mean you're not sick? No. Does that mean AIDS isn't real? NO! It just

means they are overlooking a potentially massive medical area and that is the

CAUSE of these illnesses.

Please, stop saying you " know " HIV exists because you are " sick " . It's a

different thing to say AIDS exists because you are " sick " . Do not confuse the

two.

As proof for yourself, go to your doctor and ask him/her if they can see the

actual virus in your blood - if they, or pathology, have seen with any kind of

equipment the HIV in your blood. If s/he says yes, get another doctor. They are

too poorly educated to treat you effectively. Before you leave that doctor, tell

him/her to call pathology and ask them what they HAVE actually seen in your

blood - because it isn't a virus. It is a particle of either your antibody or a

particle of a particle of a DNA strand that can be many things.

These are the FACTS. The rest is opinion and conjecture.

Educate yourself and then educate your medical care team. Do not be afraid to do

this, because lives are in their hands and they are spreading misinformation -

not intentionally, they just DO NOT KNOW.

[Guest guest]

Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies!  I know something has

been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed.  HIV has been SEEN in tests

before I don't know where you're getting this information.  It's true that in

the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30 years

later incase you haven't noticed.  HIV or AIDS had never been heard of when

cases were first documented.  Now test know what to look for.  The virus binds

to your RNA then to your DNA.  If you don't believe HIV has any existance then

why are you here?  Why be a part of a message where the issue in question you

believe to be myth.  People join this group everyday for help and guidance. 

You're not providing any help I'm sorry.  You people who don't believe HIV is

real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

 

From: NS <calmlotusflower@...>

Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

cures for AIDS

Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

 

I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV exists

because I am sick " .

There is no way you can know HIV exists. No way at all. Even if you're sick. My

mother is sick at the moment, does that mean she has HIV? No. The two things are

NOT related.

If a scientist cannot see HIV, you certainly cannot.

They do not see HIV in an HIV test. They see a particle of YOUR antibody. An

antibody is something that YOUR body makes in defense of a foreign invader. It

is not a virus nor is it any part of a virus.

They do NOT see HIV in an HIV test.

They are still to isolate HIV. There is debate about the validity of the HIV

theory because it is nothing like hepatitis, varicella, influenza... the

difference is there is no debate those viruses exist. They have been properly

isolated and the isolation can be and has been replicated and peer reviewed.

This is not the case with HIV.

Does that mean you're not sick? No. Does that mean AIDS isn't real? NO! It just

means they are overlooking a potentially massive medical area and that is the

CAUSE of these illnesses.

Please, stop saying you " know " HIV exists because you are " sick " . It's a

different thing to say AIDS exists because you are " sick " . Do not confuse the

two.

As proof for yourself, go to your doctor and ask him/her if they can see the

actual virus in your blood - if they, or pathology, have seen with any kind of

equipment the HIV in your blood. If s/he says yes, get another doctor. They are

too poorly educated to treat you effectively. Before you leave that doctor, tell

him/her to call pathology and ask them what they HAVE actually seen in your

blood - because it isn't a virus. It is a particle of either your antibody or a

particle of a particle of a DNA strand that can be many things.

These are the FACTS. The rest is opinion and conjecture.

Educate yourself and then educate your medical care team. Do not be afraid to do

this, because lives are in their hands and they are spreading misinformation -

not intentionally, they just DO NOT KNOW.

[Guest guest]

Excellent post, Noreen!

Regardless of the cause of HIV diagnosis and AIDS illness, you are

definitely on the right track with detoxing the body. Heavy metals

are known suppressors of the immune system and an obvious place to

look if doctors were actually concerned or trained to actually address

the causes of a weak immune system. CD4's are the obvious indicator

of immune health, but I would love to hear of any other theories you

may have run into as to how to measure the quality of one's immune

system.

Regarding chemicals, you are so right. We are bombarded with a ton of

chemicals just by drinking water, as pharmaceuticals keep being found

in the water supply in various cities where they have been tested

for. And then when we breathe we are exposed to the chemical

concoctions that form chem trails when sprayed on cities from the air

in that back and forth pattern that is so common. And that's just the

beginning! Detox, Detox, Detox!

On 12/7/09, Noreen <noreenelaine@...> wrote:

> This is true. The so-called viral load is not measuring a true virus when it

> comes to HIV. Also, the measurement of CD4's are not iron-clad either, as

> they vascilate up and down. People have died with high CD4's as well as low

> ones. There are better indicators for health than either of these, yet,

> these are the golden rods used for and HIV or AIDS patient. Someone once

> told me to stay away from the AIDS doctors, maybe they were right because

> they are mostly closed-minded and won't budge an inch in their thinking.

>

> Personally, I have decided to rebuilt my health with supplements,herbs,

> exercise and other positive means and to stay away from toxic measures,

> including the flu shot scares. I feel that most of us already have a toxic

> overload in our bodies by just being on the planet, some worst than others.

> But, there are many positive means to eliminate these. I am amazed at the

> things that the mainstream doctors never even consider testing the patient

> for, such as heavy metals, chemicals, nutrient levels, etc. They herd us in

> like cattle with the same old tests and never do they think outside of the

> box. Try talking to most, they are too busy to do the same to the next

> person. We must take control of our own destiny, no more so than when it

> comes to our health.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Excellent post, Noreen!

Regardless of the cause of HIV diagnosis and AIDS illness, you are

definitely on the right track with detoxing the body. Heavy metals

are known suppressors of the immune system and an obvious place to

look if doctors were actually concerned or trained to actually address

the causes of a weak immune system. CD4's are the obvious indicator

of immune health, but I would love to hear of any other theories you

may have run into as to how to measure the quality of one's immune

system.

Regarding chemicals, you are so right. We are bombarded with a ton of

chemicals just by drinking water, as pharmaceuticals keep being found

in the water supply in various cities where they have been tested

for. And then when we breathe we are exposed to the chemical

concoctions that form chem trails when sprayed on cities from the air

in that back and forth pattern that is so common. And that's just the

beginning! Detox, Detox, Detox!

On 12/7/09, Noreen <noreenelaine@...> wrote:

> This is true. The so-called viral load is not measuring a true virus when it

> comes to HIV. Also, the measurement of CD4's are not iron-clad either, as

> they vascilate up and down. People have died with high CD4's as well as low

> ones. There are better indicators for health than either of these, yet,

> these are the golden rods used for and HIV or AIDS patient. Someone once

> told me to stay away from the AIDS doctors, maybe they were right because

> they are mostly closed-minded and won't budge an inch in their thinking.

>

> Personally, I have decided to rebuilt my health with supplements,herbs,

> exercise and other positive means and to stay away from toxic measures,

> including the flu shot scares. I feel that most of us already have a toxic

> overload in our bodies by just being on the planet, some worst than others.

> But, there are many positive means to eliminate these. I am amazed at the

> things that the mainstream doctors never even consider testing the patient

> for, such as heavy metals, chemicals, nutrient levels, etc. They herd us in

> like cattle with the same old tests and never do they think outside of the

> box. Try talking to most, they are too busy to do the same to the next

> person. We must take control of our own destiny, no more so than when it

> comes to our health.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Part of curing AIDS is understanding where it comes from. HIV is only

a theory of where it comes from and I for one enjoy reading alternate

theories. Many of those that tell us HIV causes AIDS are the same

ones trying to shove chemo drugs and other ARV drugs down our throats.

That being said, I am personally finding it impossible to reach any

other conclusion than that HIV is an aggravating factor along with the

general state of health caused by toxic overload and a food supply

that is usually devoid of nutrition. That is the reason I take so

many supplements--to supply lacking nutrients, antioxidants, and detox

the body. Perhaps I don't belong on this group, since I have never

had AIDS or had any illness resembling it after being HIV+ for about

18 years. I believe my good health to be due to my proactive approach

of researching on my own rather than believing doctors, and taking the

supplements I find justified by my research. Those who don't believe

in HIV might say that my diagnosis was irrelevant and my supplements a

waste of money, but I disagree. However, most of the supplements I

have taken would be excellent for anyone with or without an HIV

diagnosis, in my opinion. I almost forgot the most important part: I

have always believed I will live to be an old man and never considered

my diagnosis to be a death sentence. I also have eliminated almost

all stress from my life, mostly by doing what I can to make problems

better and then leaving them in the hands of a Higher Power. I have

always endeavored to do things that are healthy and have mostly

avoided things I knew weren't, unlike many around me who know things

aren't good for them and frequently partake anyway, as if they had a

death wish.

On 12/7/09, Don <donjuan69uni@...> wrote:

> Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies! I know something has

> been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed. HIV has been SEEN in tests

> before I don't know where you're getting this information. It's true that

> in the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30

> years later incase you haven't noticed. HIV or AIDS had never been heard of

> when cases were first documented. Now test know what to look for. The

> virus binds to your RNA then to your DNA. If you don't believe HIV has any

> existance then why are you here? Why be a part of a message where the issue

> in question you believe to be myth. People join this group everyday for

> help and guidance.

> You're not providing any help I'm sorry. You people who don't believe HIV

> is real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

>

>

>

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower@...>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

Part of curing AIDS is understanding where it comes from. HIV is only

a theory of where it comes from and I for one enjoy reading alternate

theories. Many of those that tell us HIV causes AIDS are the same

ones trying to shove chemo drugs and other ARV drugs down our throats.

That being said, I am personally finding it impossible to reach any

other conclusion than that HIV is an aggravating factor along with the

general state of health caused by toxic overload and a food supply

that is usually devoid of nutrition. That is the reason I take so

many supplements--to supply lacking nutrients, antioxidants, and detox

the body. Perhaps I don't belong on this group, since I have never

had AIDS or had any illness resembling it after being HIV+ for about

18 years. I believe my good health to be due to my proactive approach

of researching on my own rather than believing doctors, and taking the

supplements I find justified by my research. Those who don't believe

in HIV might say that my diagnosis was irrelevant and my supplements a

waste of money, but I disagree. However, most of the supplements I

have taken would be excellent for anyone with or without an HIV

diagnosis, in my opinion. I almost forgot the most important part: I

have always believed I will live to be an old man and never considered

my diagnosis to be a death sentence. I also have eliminated almost

all stress from my life, mostly by doing what I can to make problems

better and then leaving them in the hands of a Higher Power. I have

always endeavored to do things that are healthy and have mostly

avoided things I knew weren't, unlike many around me who know things

aren't good for them and frequently partake anyway, as if they had a

death wish.

On 12/7/09, Don <donjuan69uni@...> wrote:

> Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies! I know something has

> been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed. HIV has been SEEN in tests

> before I don't know where you're getting this information. It's true that

> in the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30

> years later incase you haven't noticed. HIV or AIDS had never been heard of

> when cases were first documented. Now test know what to look for. The

> virus binds to your RNA then to your DNA. If you don't believe HIV has any

> existance then why are you here? Why be a part of a message where the issue

> in question you believe to be myth. People join this group everyday for

> help and guidance.

> You're not providing any help I'm sorry. You people who don't believe HIV

> is real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

>

>

>

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower@...>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your comments, .  They are certainly eye-opening and

refreshing.  I completely agree with your approach and commend you for it.  Do

you still test positive for HIV, 18 years later?  You are certainly proving

them all wrong...

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your comments, .  They are certainly eye-opening and

refreshing.  I completely agree with your approach and commend you for it.  Do

you still test positive for HIV, 18 years later?  You are certainly proving

them all wrong...

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I haven't actually had an HIV test in about 10 years and

had just assumed it would always come back positive since it is

supposedly an antibody they are testing for, and the antibodies should

always remain with or without virus as far as I know. I'm not sure

what to make of the reports of some reverting to a negative HIV test,

except to think that perhaps there is validity to the argument that

the test results are meaningless--or perhaps it tests for a marker of

active infection instead of antibodies.

On 12/7/09, Mc <robmcd1973@...> wrote:

> Thanks for your comments, . They are certainly eye-opening and

> refreshing. I completely agree with your approach and commend you for it.

> Do you still test positive for HIV, 18 years later? You are certainly

> proving them all wrong...

>

>

>>

>>

>> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

>> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

>> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

>> exists because I am sick " .

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I haven't actually had an HIV test in about 10 years and

had just assumed it would always come back positive since it is

supposedly an antibody they are testing for, and the antibodies should

always remain with or without virus as far as I know. I'm not sure

what to make of the reports of some reverting to a negative HIV test,

except to think that perhaps there is validity to the argument that

the test results are meaningless--or perhaps it tests for a marker of

active infection instead of antibodies.

On 12/7/09, Mc <robmcd1973@...> wrote:

> Thanks for your comments, . They are certainly eye-opening and

> refreshing. I completely agree with your approach and commend you for it.

> Do you still test positive for HIV, 18 years later? You are certainly

> proving them all wrong...

>

>

>>

>>

>> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

>> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

>> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

>> exists because I am sick " .

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would say it is all in the mind if you believe you are sick and going to sie

terrible death well..and if you believe H2O2 will be your salvation then so be

it.. No one will contest that not even the pharma drug pushers ( some call them

doctors).. We live some have a grand life some a average life some suffer from

childhood to old age and one day it comes and most do not when they close their

eyes that they will open them in a very different place. Just do not suffer if

possible..

Love

________________________________

From: daniel martin <danielnv.martin@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 12:34:15 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

 

Part of curing AIDS is understanding where it comes from. HIV is only

a theory of where it comes from and I for one enjoy reading alternate

theories. Many of those that tell us HIV causes AIDS are the same

ones trying to shove chemo drugs and other ARV drugs down our throats.

That being said, I am personally finding it impossible to reach any

other conclusion than that HIV is an aggravating factor along with the

general state of health caused by toxic overload and a food supply

that is usually devoid of nutrition. That is the reason I take so

many supplements- -to supply lacking nutrients, antioxidants, and detox

the body. Perhaps I don't belong on this group, since I have never

had AIDS or had any illness resembling it after being HIV+ for about

18 years. I believe my good health to be due to my proactive approach

of researching on my own rather than believing doctors, and taking the

supplements I find justified by my research. Those who don't believe

in HIV might say that my diagnosis was irrelevant and my supplements a

waste of money, but I disagree. However, most of the supplements I

have taken would be excellent for anyone with or without an HIV

diagnosis, in my opinion. I almost forgot the most important part: I

have always believed I will live to be an old man and never considered

my diagnosis to be a death sentence. I also have eliminated almost

all stress from my life, mostly by doing what I can to make problems

better and then leaving them in the hands of a Higher Power. I have

always endeavored to do things that are healthy and have mostly

avoided things I knew weren't, unlike many around me who know things

aren't good for them and frequently partake anyway, as if they had a

death wish.

On 12/7/09, Don <donjuan69uni> wrote:

> Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies! I know something has

> been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed. HIV has been SEEN in tests

> before I don't know where you're getting this information. It's true that

> in the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30

> years later incase you haven't noticed. HIV or AIDS had never been heard of

> when cases were first documented. Now test know what to look for. The

> virus binds to your RNA then to your DNA. If you don't believe HIV has any

> existance then why are you here? Why be a part of a message where the issue

> in question you believe to be myth. People join this group everyday for

> help and guidance.

> You're not providing any help I'm sorry. You people who don't believe HIV

> is real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

>

>

>

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

I would say it is all in the mind if you believe you are sick and going to sie

terrible death well..and if you believe H2O2 will be your salvation then so be

it.. No one will contest that not even the pharma drug pushers ( some call them

doctors).. We live some have a grand life some a average life some suffer from

childhood to old age and one day it comes and most do not when they close their

eyes that they will open them in a very different place. Just do not suffer if

possible..

Love

________________________________

From: daniel martin <danielnv.martin@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 12:34:15 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

 

Part of curing AIDS is understanding where it comes from. HIV is only

a theory of where it comes from and I for one enjoy reading alternate

theories. Many of those that tell us HIV causes AIDS are the same

ones trying to shove chemo drugs and other ARV drugs down our throats.

That being said, I am personally finding it impossible to reach any

other conclusion than that HIV is an aggravating factor along with the

general state of health caused by toxic overload and a food supply

that is usually devoid of nutrition. That is the reason I take so

many supplements- -to supply lacking nutrients, antioxidants, and detox

the body. Perhaps I don't belong on this group, since I have never

had AIDS or had any illness resembling it after being HIV+ for about

18 years. I believe my good health to be due to my proactive approach

of researching on my own rather than believing doctors, and taking the

supplements I find justified by my research. Those who don't believe

in HIV might say that my diagnosis was irrelevant and my supplements a

waste of money, but I disagree. However, most of the supplements I

have taken would be excellent for anyone with or without an HIV

diagnosis, in my opinion. I almost forgot the most important part: I

have always believed I will live to be an old man and never considered

my diagnosis to be a death sentence. I also have eliminated almost

all stress from my life, mostly by doing what I can to make problems

better and then leaving them in the hands of a Higher Power. I have

always endeavored to do things that are healthy and have mostly

avoided things I knew weren't, unlike many around me who know things

aren't good for them and frequently partake anyway, as if they had a

death wish.

On 12/7/09, Don <donjuan69uni> wrote:

> Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies! I know something has

> been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed. HIV has been SEEN in tests

> before I don't know where you're getting this information. It's true that

> in the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30

> years later incase you haven't noticed. HIV or AIDS had never been heard of

> when cases were first documented. Now test know what to look for. The

> virus binds to your RNA then to your DNA. If you don't believe HIV has any

> existance then why are you here? Why be a part of a message where the issue

> in question you believe to be myth. People join this group everyday for

> help and guidance.

> You're not providing any help I'm sorry. You people who don't believe HIV

> is real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

>

>

>

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

your very right allan most of us can't see the forest through the trees .but

theres hope for us all we will do better then just getting well we will be cured

we will live a very old age if gods is willing. but the sad thing is we don't

know what we have we only know what we have been told and that is sad with in it

self so peace and love to all on here.

________________________________

From: Allan <readthesmile@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 1:06:42 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

 

I would say it is all in the mind if you believe you are sick and going to sie

terrible death well..and if you believe H2O2 will be your salvation then so be

it.. No one will contest that not even the pharma drug pushers ( some call them

doctors).. We live some have a grand life some a average life some suffer from

childhood to old age and one day it comes and most do not when they close their

eyes that they will open them in a very different place. Just do not suffer if

possible..

Love

____________ _________ _________ __

From: daniel martin <danielnv.martin@ gmail.com>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 12:34:15 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

 

Part of curing AIDS is understanding where it comes from. HIV is only

a theory of where it comes from and I for one enjoy reading alternate

theories. Many of those that tell us HIV causes AIDS are the same

ones trying to shove chemo drugs and other ARV drugs down our throats.

That being said, I am personally finding it impossible to reach any

other conclusion than that HIV is an aggravating factor along with the

general state of health caused by toxic overload and a food supply

that is usually devoid of nutrition. That is the reason I take so

many supplements- -to supply lacking nutrients, antioxidants, and detox

the body. Perhaps I don't belong on this group, since I have never

had AIDS or had any illness resembling it after being HIV+ for about

18 years. I believe my good health to be due to my proactive approach

of researching on my own rather than believing doctors, and taking the

supplements I find justified by my research. Those who don't believe

in HIV might say that my diagnosis was irrelevant and my supplements a

waste of money, but I disagree. However, most of the supplements I

have taken would be excellent for anyone with or without an HIV

diagnosis, in my opinion. I almost forgot the most important part: I

have always believed I will live to be an old man and never considered

my diagnosis to be a death sentence. I also have eliminated almost

all stress from my life, mostly by doing what I can to make problems

better and then leaving them in the hands of a Higher Power. I have

always endeavored to do things that are healthy and have mostly

avoided things I knew weren't, unlike many around me who know things

aren't good for them and frequently partake anyway, as if they had a

death wish.

On 12/7/09, Don <donjuan69uni> wrote:

> Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies! I know something has

> been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed. HIV has been SEEN in tests

> before I don't know where you're getting this information. It's true that

> in the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30

> years later incase you haven't noticed. HIV or AIDS had never been heard of

> when cases were first documented. Now test know what to look for. The

> virus binds to your RNA then to your DNA. If you don't believe HIV has any

> existance then why are you here? Why be a part of a message where the issue

> in question you believe to be myth. People join this group everyday for

> help and guidance.

> You're not providing any help I'm sorry. You people who don't believe HIV

> is real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

>

>

>

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

your very right allan most of us can't see the forest through the trees .but

theres hope for us all we will do better then just getting well we will be cured

we will live a very old age if gods is willing. but the sad thing is we don't

know what we have we only know what we have been told and that is sad with in it

self so peace and love to all on here.

________________________________

From: Allan <readthesmile@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 1:06:42 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

 

I would say it is all in the mind if you believe you are sick and going to sie

terrible death well..and if you believe H2O2 will be your salvation then so be

it.. No one will contest that not even the pharma drug pushers ( some call them

doctors).. We live some have a grand life some a average life some suffer from

childhood to old age and one day it comes and most do not when they close their

eyes that they will open them in a very different place. Just do not suffer if

possible..

Love

____________ _________ _________ __

From: daniel martin <danielnv.martin@ gmail.com>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 12:34:15 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

 

Part of curing AIDS is understanding where it comes from. HIV is only

a theory of where it comes from and I for one enjoy reading alternate

theories. Many of those that tell us HIV causes AIDS are the same

ones trying to shove chemo drugs and other ARV drugs down our throats.

That being said, I am personally finding it impossible to reach any

other conclusion than that HIV is an aggravating factor along with the

general state of health caused by toxic overload and a food supply

that is usually devoid of nutrition. That is the reason I take so

many supplements- -to supply lacking nutrients, antioxidants, and detox

the body. Perhaps I don't belong on this group, since I have never

had AIDS or had any illness resembling it after being HIV+ for about

18 years. I believe my good health to be due to my proactive approach

of researching on my own rather than believing doctors, and taking the

supplements I find justified by my research. Those who don't believe

in HIV might say that my diagnosis was irrelevant and my supplements a

waste of money, but I disagree. However, most of the supplements I

have taken would be excellent for anyone with or without an HIV

diagnosis, in my opinion. I almost forgot the most important part: I

have always believed I will live to be an old man and never considered

my diagnosis to be a death sentence. I also have eliminated almost

all stress from my life, mostly by doing what I can to make problems

better and then leaving them in the hands of a Higher Power. I have

always endeavored to do things that are healthy and have mostly

avoided things I knew weren't, unlike many around me who know things

aren't good for them and frequently partake anyway, as if they had a

death wish.

On 12/7/09, Don <donjuan69uni> wrote:

> Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies! I know something has

> been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed. HIV has been SEEN in tests

> before I don't know where you're getting this information. It's true that

> in the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30

> years later incase you haven't noticed. HIV or AIDS had never been heard of

> when cases were first documented. Now test know what to look for. The

> virus binds to your RNA then to your DNA. If you don't believe HIV has any

> existance then why are you here? Why be a part of a message where the issue

> in question you believe to be myth. People join this group everyday for

> help and guidance.

> You're not providing any help I'm sorry. You people who don't believe HIV

> is real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

>

>

>

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

hey guys check out toolsforhealing.com do your research there find out about

dr.steven kaali and dr.peter schowolsky these guys cured aids and the

information was suppressed and any other known invaders. read and learn the real

truth about how we have been lied to for so long.

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 1:29:59 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

 

your very right allan most of us can't see the forest through the trees .but

theres hope for us all we will do better then just getting well we will be cured

we will live a very old age if gods is willing. but the sad thing is we don't

know what we have we only know what we have been told and that is sad with in it

self so peace and love to all on here.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Allan <readthesmile>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 1:06:42 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

 

I would say it is all in the mind if you believe you are sick and going to sie

terrible death well..and if you believe H2O2 will be your salvation then so be

it.. No one will contest that not even the pharma drug pushers ( some call them

doctors).. We live some have a grand life some a average life some suffer from

childhood to old age and one day it comes and most do not when they close their

eyes that they will open them in a very different place. Just do not suffer if

possible..

Love

____________ _________ _________ __

From: daniel martin <danielnv.martin@ gmail.com>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 12:34:15 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

 

Part of curing AIDS is understanding where it comes from. HIV is only

a theory of where it comes from and I for one enjoy reading alternate

theories. Many of those that tell us HIV causes AIDS are the same

ones trying to shove chemo drugs and other ARV drugs down our throats.

That being said, I am personally finding it impossible to reach any

other conclusion than that HIV is an aggravating factor along with the

general state of health caused by toxic overload and a food supply

that is usually devoid of nutrition. That is the reason I take so

many supplements- -to supply lacking nutrients, antioxidants, and detox

the body. Perhaps I don't belong on this group, since I have never

had AIDS or had any illness resembling it after being HIV+ for about

18 years. I believe my good health to be due to my proactive approach

of researching on my own rather than believing doctors, and taking the

supplements I find justified by my research. Those who don't believe

in HIV might say that my diagnosis was irrelevant and my supplements a

waste of money, but I disagree. However, most of the supplements I

have taken would be excellent for anyone with or without an HIV

diagnosis, in my opinion. I almost forgot the most important part: I

have always believed I will live to be an old man and never considered

my diagnosis to be a death sentence. I also have eliminated almost

all stress from my life, mostly by doing what I can to make problems

better and then leaving them in the hands of a Higher Power. I have

always endeavored to do things that are healthy and have mostly

avoided things I knew weren't, unlike many around me who know things

aren't good for them and frequently partake anyway, as if they had a

death wish.

On 12/7/09, Don <donjuan69uni> wrote:

> Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies! I know something has

> been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed. HIV has been SEEN in tests

> before I don't know where you're getting this information. It's true that

> in the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30

> years later incase you haven't noticed. HIV or AIDS had never been heard of

> when cases were first documented. Now test know what to look for.. The

> virus binds to your RNA then to your DNA. If you don't believe HIV has any

> existance then why are you here? Why be a part of a message where the issue

> in question you believe to be myth. People join this group everyday for

> help and guidance.

> You're not providing any help I'm sorry. You people who don't believe HIV

> is real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

>

>

>

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

how about you giving us the direct link to these guys instead of the homepage

we're all very much aware of

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 3:03:09 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

hey guys check out toolsforhealing.com do your research there find out about

dr.steven kaali and dr.peter schowolsky these guys cured aids and the

information was suppressed and any other known invaders. read and learn the real

truth about how we have been lied to for so long.

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 1:29:59 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

your very right allan most of us can't see the forest through the trees .but

theres hope for us all we will do better then just getting well we will be cured

we will live a very old age if gods is willing. but the sad thing is we don't

know what we have we only know what we have been told and that is sad with in it

self so peace and love to all on here.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Allan <readthesmile>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 1:06:42 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

I would say it is all in the mind if you believe you are sick and going to sie

terrible death well..and if you believe H2O2 will be your salvation then so be

it.. No one will contest that not even the pharma drug pushers ( some call them

doctors).. We live some have a grand life some a average life some suffer from

childhood to old age and one day it comes and most do not when they close their

eyes that they will open them in a very different place. Just do not suffer if

possible..

Love

____________ _________ _________ __

From: daniel martin <danielnv.martin@ gmail.com>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 12:34:15 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

Part of curing AIDS is understanding where it comes from. HIV is only

a theory of where it comes from and I for one enjoy reading alternate

theories. Many of those that tell us HIV causes AIDS are the same

ones trying to shove chemo drugs and other ARV drugs down our throats.

That being said, I am personally finding it impossible to reach any

other conclusion than that HIV is an aggravating factor along with the

general state of health caused by toxic overload and a food supply

that is usually devoid of nutrition. That is the reason I take so

many supplements- -to supply lacking nutrients, antioxidants, and detox

the body. Perhaps I don't belong on this group, since I have never

had AIDS or had any illness resembling it after being HIV+ for about

18 years. I believe my good health to be due to my proactive approach

of researching on my own rather than believing doctors, and taking the

supplements I find justified by my research. Those who don't believe

in HIV might say that my diagnosis was irrelevant and my supplements a

waste of money, but I disagree. However, most of the supplements I

have taken would be excellent for anyone with or without an HIV

diagnosis, in my opinion. I almost forgot the most important part: I

have always believed I will live to be an old man and never considered

my diagnosis to be a death sentence. I also have eliminated almost

all stress from my life, mostly by doing what I can to make problems

better and then leaving them in the hands of a Higher Power. I have

always endeavored to do things that are healthy and have mostly

avoided things I knew weren't, unlike many around me who know things

aren't good for them and frequently partake anyway, as if they had a

death wish.

On 12/7/09, Don <donjuan69uni> wrote:

> Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies! I know something has

> been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed. HIV has been SEEN in tests

> before I don't know where you're getting this information. It's true that

> in the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30

> years later incase you haven't noticed. HIV or AIDS had never been heard of

> when cases were first documented. Now test know what to look for.. The

> virus binds to your RNA then to your DNA. If you don't believe HIV has any

> existance then why are you here? Why be a part of a message where the issue

> in question you believe to be myth. People join this group everyday for

> help and guidance.

> You're not providing any help I'm sorry. You people who don't believe HIV

> is real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

>

>

>

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

It's simple, they don't have hiv so they don't know what it's like to be

positive and have your health turn upside down shortly afterwards. So they

think it's a myth but people like you and I (Don ) know that our bodies have

been infected and alot of what it's said about hiv is true because our health

shows the symptoms and signs! If they think it's such a myth, let them go and

have sex with an hiv positive person, become positive, and then come back here

and tell us it's a myth! I dare any of you hiv negative people to do that!

Let's see how long your " hiv myth " idea holds up once you become positive.

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:06:53 AM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

Honestly people can tell what goes on in their bodies! I know something has

been amiss with my body since I was diagnosed. HIV has been SEEN in tests

before I don't know where you're getting this information. It's true that in

the early 80's late 70's doctors couldn't see it but here we are over 30 years

later incase you haven't noticed. HIV or AIDS had never been heard of when

cases were first documented. Now test know what to look for. The virus binds

to your RNA then to your DNA. If you don't believe HIV has any existance then

why are you here? Why be a part of a message where the issue in question you

believe to be myth. People join this group everyday for help and guidance.

You're not providing any help I'm sorry. You people who don't believe HIV is

real really need to get together and form another group, seriously!

From: NS <calmlotusflower>

Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV exists

because I am sick " .

There is no way you can know HIV exists. No way at all. Even if you're sick. My

mother is sick at the moment, does that mean she has HIV? No. The two things are

NOT related.

If a scientist cannot see HIV, you certainly cannot.

They do not see HIV in an HIV test. They see a particle of YOUR antibody.. An

antibody is something that YOUR body makes in defense of a foreign invader. It

is not a virus nor is it any part of a virus.

They do NOT see HIV in an HIV test.

They are still to isolate HIV. There is debate about the validity of the HIV

theory because it is nothing like hepatitis, varicella, influenza... the

difference is there is no debate those viruses exist. They have been properly

isolated and the isolation can be and has been replicated and peer reviewed.

This is not the case with HIV.

Does that mean you're not sick? No. Does that mean AIDS isn't real? NO! It just

means they are overlooking a potentially massive medical area and that is the

CAUSE of these illnesses.

Please, stop saying you " know " HIV exists because you are " sick " . It's a

different thing to say AIDS exists because you are " sick " . Do not confuse the

two.

As proof for yourself, go to your doctor and ask him/her if they can see the

actual virus in your blood - if they, or pathology, have seen with any kind of

equipment the HIV in your blood. If s/he says yes, get another doctor. They are

too poorly educated to treat you effectively. Before you leave that doctor, tell

him/her to call pathology and ask them what they HAVE actually seen in your

blood - because it isn't a virus. It is a particle of either your antibody or a

particle of a particle of a DNA strand that can be many things.

These are the FACTS. The rest is opinion and conjecture.

Educate yourself and then educate your medical care team. Do not be afraid to do

this, because lives are in their hands and they are spreading misinformation -

not intentionally, they just DO NOT KNOW.

[Guest guest]

Hi Nonyo, it may also be that some people who have been infected and suffered

the same symptoms are in denial and have tried to convince themselves that

they're " well " and that's their way of dealing with it.  Otherwise they

wouldn't be here.  If HIV and AIDS to them is as myth as elves and unicorns, I

also hope they're members of elf groups as well.  LOL! because I know for

sure I ain't no member of groups I don't believe in.  And Nonyo my

friend, hang in there, we're all in this together.  I'm glad to see you take

control of your life and your health.  You're going to be around for a long

time my friend.  Just last week I woke up with terrible flu like symptoms I was

scared to death.  Just one glass of my Hydrogen Peroxide and a few tablets of

Cat's Claw and Pau D'Arco and I was over it by the next day.  Everyone around

me here at my work has been sick like a dog taking their Tylenol and

prescription meds every 4 hours and here we

are a week later and they're still coughing up a storm.  Yet here I am

the  " Immuno compramised individual " and I'm feeling better than all of them. 

I know I must be doing something right.  Even before I was diagnosed I had

never gotten rid of a cold/flu so quickly.  It could have been the flu because

I had a 103 degrees temperature.  It's all in your hands.   You've got the

power!

From: NS <calmlotusflower>

Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV exists

because I am sick " .

There is no way you can know HIV exists. No way at all. Even if you're sick. My

mother is sick at the moment, does that mean she has HIV? No. The two things are

NOT related.

If a scientist cannot see HIV, you certainly cannot.

They do not see HIV in an HIV test. They see a particle of YOUR antibody.. An

antibody is something that YOUR body makes in defense of a foreign invader. It

is not a virus nor is it any part of a virus.

They do NOT see HIV in an HIV test.

They are still to isolate HIV. There is debate about the validity of the HIV

theory because it is nothing like hepatitis, varicella, influenza... the

difference is there is no debate those viruses exist. They have been properly

isolated and the isolation can be and has been replicated and peer reviewed.

This is not the case with HIV.

Does that mean you're not sick? No. Does that mean AIDS isn't real? NO! It just

means they are overlooking a potentially massive medical area and that is the

CAUSE of these illnesses.

Please, stop saying you " know " HIV exists because you are " sick " . It's a

different thing to say AIDS exists because you are " sick " . Do not confuse the

two.

As proof for yourself, go to your doctor and ask him/her if they can see the

actual virus in your blood - if they, or pathology, have seen with any kind of

equipment the HIV in your blood. If s/he says yes, get another doctor. They are

too poorly educated to treat you effectively. Before you leave that doctor, tell

him/her to call pathology and ask them what they HAVE actually seen in your

blood - because it isn't a virus. It is a particle of either your antibody or a

particle of a particle of a DNA strand that can be many things.

These are the FACTS. The rest is opinion and conjecture.

Educate yourself and then educate your medical care team. Do not be afraid to do

this, because lives are in their hands and they are spreading misinformation -

not intentionally, they just DO NOT KNOW.

[Guest guest]

Yes, this is what we need. We need to hear of more " s " out there. I'm so

tired of all the talk, talk, talk. I wanna hear long term survivors speak. I

want to hear what life is like for those who have never used hiv meds and have

lived 10 years or more after diagnosis. If you are hiv negative, you will have

a really hard time convincing me of anything as you haven't lived in the shoes

of being diagnosed as positive. We need to hear from more long term hiv

positives who are living well without meds!

If anyone here knows of people that are not on this forum who are long term

survivors, please get them on here! Newly positive people such as myself need

to hear them! Thanks.

________________________________

From: Mc <robmcd1973@...>

cures for AIDS@...

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 12:57:45 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

Thanks for your comments, . They are certainly eye-opening and

refreshing. I completely agree with your approach and commend you for it. Do

you still test positive for HIV, 18 years later? You are certainly proving them

all wrong...

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

[Guest guest]

Thanks Don ... I am so happy to hear that you got over your flu-like symptoms

fast! Awesome.

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 4:41:40 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

Hi Nonyo, it may also be that some people who have been infected and suffered

the same symptoms are in denial and have tried to convince themselves that

they're " well " and that's their way of dealing with it. Otherwise they wouldn't

be here. If HIV and AIDS to them is as myth as elves and unicorns, I also hope

they're members of elf groups as well. LOL! because I know for sure I

ain't no member of groups I don't believe in. And Nonyo my friend, hang in

there, we're all in this together. I'm glad to see you take control of your

life and your health. You're going to be around for a long time my friend.

Just last week I woke up with terrible flu like symptoms I was scared to death.

Just one glass of my Hydrogen Peroxide and a few tablets of Cat's Claw and Pau

D'Arco and I was over it by the next day. Everyone around me here at my work

has been sick like a dog taking their Tylenol and prescription meds every 4

hours and here we

are a week later and they're still coughing up a storm. Yet here I am the

" Immuno compramised individual " and I'm feeling better than all of them. I know

I must be doing something right. Even before I was diagnosed I had never gotten

rid of a cold/flu so quickly. It could have been the flu because I had a 103

degrees temperature. It's all in your hands. You've got the power!

From: NS <calmlotusflower>

Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV exists

because I am sick " .

There is no way you can know HIV exists. No way at all. Even if you're sick. My

mother is sick at the moment, does that mean she has HIV? No. The two things are

NOT related.

If a scientist cannot see HIV, you certainly cannot.

They do not see HIV in an HIV test. They see a particle of YOUR antibody.. An

antibody is something that YOUR body makes in defense of a foreign invader. It

is not a virus nor is it any part of a virus.

They do NOT see HIV in an HIV test.

They are still to isolate HIV. There is debate about the validity of the HIV

theory because it is nothing like hepatitis, varicella, influenza.... the

difference is there is no debate those viruses exist. They have been properly

isolated and the isolation can be and has been replicated and peer reviewed.

This is not the case with HIV.

Does that mean you're not sick? No. Does that mean AIDS isn't real? NO! It just

means they are overlooking a potentially massive medical area and that is the

CAUSE of these illnesses.

Please, stop saying you " know " HIV exists because you are " sick " . It's a

different thing to say AIDS exists because you are " sick " . Do not confuse the

two.

As proof for yourself, go to your doctor and ask him/her if they can see the

actual virus in your blood - if they, or pathology, have seen with any kind of

equipment the HIV in your blood. If s/he says yes, get another doctor. They are

too poorly educated to treat you effectively. Before you leave that doctor, tell

him/her to call pathology and ask them what they HAVE actually seen in your

blood - because it isn't a virus. It is a particle of either your antibody or a

particle of a particle of a DNA strand that can be many things.

These are the FACTS. The rest is opinion and conjecture.

Educate yourself and then educate your medical care team. Do not be afraid to do

this, because lives are in their hands and they are spreading misinformation -

not intentionally, they just DO NOT KNOW.

[Guest guest]

I've been telling my story for 3 decades.

_YouTube - Trapped in a Pharmaceutical nightmare!_

(

)

Since this 2 minute video I have found a doctor and weaned off all drugs.

Still looking for an attorney.

This interview was done in July of this year: _ Lieb, and his

experience with the HIV scam._ (http://truther9.blip.tv/file/2533927)

There is plenty of living proof that HIV/AIDS is big lie. You doubters

should have attended the 2009 Rethinking AIDS Conference in Oakland last

month. Watch for the opening of House of Numbers near you.

Times they are a-changing.

In a message dated 12/7/2009 5:21:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

nonyobiznazz@... writes:

Yes, this is what we need. We need to hear of more " s " out there. I'm

so tired of all the talk, talk, talk. I wanna hear long term survivors

speak. I want to hear what life is like for those who have never used hiv meds

and have lived 10 years or more after diagnosis. If you are hiv negative,

you will have a really hard time convincing me of anything as you haven't

lived in the shoes of being diagnosed as positive. We need to hear from more

long term hiv positives who are living well without meds!

If anyone here knows of people that are not on this forum who are long

term survivors, please get them on here! Newly positive people such as myself

need to hear them! Thanks.

________________________________

From: Mc <_robmcd1973@bellsoutrobmc_

(mailto:robmcd1973@...) >

_cures for AIDS@grouaidscur_ (mailto:cures for AIDS@...)

Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 12:57:45 PM

Subject: Re: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

Thanks for your comments, . They are certainly eye-opening and

refreshing. I completely agree with your approach and commend you for it. Do

you

still test positive for HIV, 18 years later? You are certainly proving

them all wrong...

>

>

> From: NS <calmlotusflower>

> Subject: Settling confusion: illness does not = HIV

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm getting frustrated with hearing different forms of this: " I know HIV

> exists because I am sick " .

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