Re: Why I'm leaving this group

[Guest guest]

,

Has your T-cell count always been 1200? What is your viral load?

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On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:50, " " <fr_dxb@...> wrote:

> Hi evrybody , I'm 5 years into this problem ,, no medication ,,, cd4

> 1200 I'm fine good food and sport , wather is the key ,, good luk bye

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from du

>

> Why I'm leaving this group

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

>

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health.

> This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous

> place to be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in

> seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group_ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_

> Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has

> spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and

> healers have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear..

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause

> AIDS is the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the

> topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the

> purpose on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents

> of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss,

> such as the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS.

> That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers

> and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the

> same old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of

> view.

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we

> go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from

> the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact

> cure AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on

> taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one

> post on low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with

> AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As

> long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to

> gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid

> to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action,

> because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've

> seen and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not

> interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank

> you at the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if

> me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hugo,

Can u find out more specifics as far as what herbs and meds the homeopathy

person used to achieve cures in Brazil?

> From: Hugo da Silva <hsanches1990@...>

> Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

> cures for AIDS

> Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 6:00 PM

>

>

> I was a little skeptical about people getting

> cured of aids until a friend of mine met a homeopathy

> doctor, who is now his friend. My friend knows I'm HIV

> positive but he didn't tell the doctor. They

> coincidently started talking about big pharma and how

> homeopathy has cured people of so called uncurable diseases.

> He himself said to my friend that he has cured 11 people of

> HIV, meaning they became negative. He even showed my friend

> the paperwork, it was probably exams, showing that he was

> telling the truth. He is from Brazil, close to the Amazon

> Forest where homeopathy is practiced a lot and people are

> treated for free. He says he cured 11 people and he has the

> proof. Sadly, he hasn't practiced homeopathy since he

> moved to the U.S., about 5 years ago I'm guessing.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great !  Thank you so much for sharing!!!  This is what I want to hear

more of!  God bless you.

 

Randall

From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com <aidsisover@ aol. com>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group_ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear..

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

U welcom

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from du

Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group_ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear..

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

I'm saying I wouldn't go on tv or show my face or anything, but I'd surely

spread the word on the internet and by mouth.

________________________________

From: Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 1:14:17 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I HAVE thought about it and what you stated in MY opinion (not fact, just MY

opinion) is a very selfish way to look at it.  If I were cured, I wouldn't

care who would know or not know, I would spread it faster than the gospel of

Jesus Christ!  How could I selfishly walk this earth cured of a 30 year old

death sentence that millions of people are LIVING with and have died from? 

Wouldn't I want to bring hope to the world?  Not all would believe it -no- BUT

still many would want to try the same thing I tried and my hope would be that

many more would be cured.  Then more and more stories would pop up where people

were amazingly cured just like me!  Could I imagine anything better for others

who are living this nightmare just as I am today?  How selfish to hold the keys

of life and not share it with the world.  Like I said, this is MY opinion, and

MY view so don't take it personal.

 

What you gain/lose here on earth is NOTHING compared to what you will gain

eternally.  Our US soldiers are overseas as we speak risking their vary lives

so that WE will be protected.  Why wouldn't someone who was cured of HIV not

risk his/her life to spread the great news of something that is said impossible

to happen?  Ok, I guess this is simple.  This is where you and I differ.  You

go ahead and get yourself cured and just keep it to yourself and among people

who know you're positive.  While you're at it, since I know you're positive,

tell me exactly how you got cured and tell ME how to get cured, and I will do

the dirty work for you.  Don't worry, I will tell no one of your email

address, I promise because I know that the risk is too great for you.  I will

tell everyone that I am cured and put my face out there and all.  If that's

what it means to save masses of lives, then I will do it.  No questions asked!

 

 

Randall 

 

From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com <aidsisover@ aol. com>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear..

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

Well, I can try but I'm sure he only knows the Portuguese names and  I

probably won't be able to find a translation so that wouldn't help much, would

it? LOL   Now, also responding to a comment that said: THIS DOESN'T COUNT AS

TRUE. WHY ISN'T THAT GUY EARNING MONEY CURING PEOPLE?

Here is the answer: I'm from Brazil. I know what those people do. They don't

charge a penny to do what they do and the guy said they have tried many times to

go on tv but the media is never interested in publishing those things PLUS they

could get sued and even arrested for saying they have cured aids. So, you guys

can take your conclusions from here...

________________________________

From: D. Filips <beetsmyth@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 1:36:11 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

Hugo,

Can u find out more specifics as far as what herbs and meds the homeopathy

person used to achieve cures in Brazil?

> From: Hugo da Silva <hsanches1990>

> Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

> Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 6:00 PM

>

>

> I was a little skeptical about people getting

> cured of aids until a friend of mine met a homeopathy

> doctor, who is now his friend. My friend knows I'm HIV

> positive but he didn't tell the doctor. They

> coincidently started talking about big pharma and how

> homeopathy has cured people of so called uncurable diseases.

> He himself said to my friend that he has cured 11 people of

> HIV, meaning they became negative. He even showed my friend

> the paperwork, it was probably exams, showing that he was

> telling the truth. He is from Brazil, close to the Amazon

> Forest where homeopathy is practiced a lot and people are

> treated for free. He says he cured 11 people and he has the

> proof. Sadly, he hasn't practiced homeopathy since he

> moved to the U.S., about 5 years ago I'm guessing.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok then you're not selfish, lol.  I'll go on tv and show my face tho ... but

you know, they can block your face out and even disguise your voice.  Maybe

that's what I'll do WHEN (as says, haha) I get cured.  Glad to hear of

your progress Hugo.  Keep the results coming.  I pray it works for you.  I've

thought about purchasing some soon myself.  Kinda broke right now. 

From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com <aidsisover@ aol. com>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear..

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

Yes, the people who I bought it from told me I will see results after 6 to 8

months so I guess I started out pretty well for someone who's been on it for 37

days only, right? I'm just SOOOOOOOO glad I won't have to go back to the clinic

until the end of April. Going to that place stresses me out.. I told the lady

today: I'm not even a little bit scared of HIV,I'm scared of coming in here and

having you guys tell me what my blood count is. It feels like you're being given

a time frame to live or something. I haven't gotten used to it yet. But they are

really good people and my doctor also thinks this treatment is working from the

look in her face today when the nurse read my results. So everything's great

guys! I wish you all the best and I will keep you updated all the way to the end

of this treatment and afterwards too because the cure really starts after the

treatment.

I LOVE EVERYONE IN HERE AND PLEASE LET'S KEEP THIS GROUP AS INFORMATIVE AS

POSSIBLE AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM ALEX, THE GUY WHOSE CD4 IS AT 1200. Tell

us more about your daily activities, your diet, your lifestyle in general

please.

Thanks everyone! Nite nite =]

________________________________

From: Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 8:20:03 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

Ok then you're not selfish, lol.  I'll go on tv and show my face tho ... but

you know, they can block your face out and even disguise your voice.  Maybe

that's what I'll do WHEN (as says, haha) I get cured.  Glad to hear of

your progress Hugo.  Keep the results coming.  I pray it works for you.  I've

thought about purchasing some soon myself.  Kinda broke right now. 

From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com <aidsisover@ aol. com>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear..

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

OK enough!!!!!!! If your going to leave just leave and stop blowing up my mail

with your soapboxing! I come here for answers and help in dealing with this

whole hiv thing and you people on a crusade need to just calm down. Hell with

your back and forth I get more emails where you guys are bickering than I get

text messages on my phone. Its hard enough to sort through all the information

this group provides to find what is going to be helpful in my situation. Is it

real or not? I think we all can agree there is something worth investigating or

we wouldnt be here. I wish we had one place links could go once and for all so

many times a link is posted bunches of times in different post. Itd be nice to

have a reference section where you could go and look up a particular treatment,

and yes a section for you people who have this huge need to bitch. But for Gods

sake back it down some so the rest of us who arent all aids all the time can

still get some benefit

from this group. Allot of you people have some great minds with allot of good

information to share, but your loosing allot of us mer humans.

From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com <aidsisover@ aol. com>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear..

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

I agree. Just leave already. My life is shortened enough without having to

endure misdirected, attention seeking behavior.

cures for AIDS

From: lvnntn8832@...

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 04:29:19 -0800

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

OK enough!!!!!!! If your going to leave just leave and stop blowing up my mail

with your soapboxing! I come here for answers and help in dealing with this

whole hiv thing and you people on a crusade need to just calm down. Hell with

your back and forth I get more emails where you guys are bickering than I get

text messages on my phone. Its hard enough to sort through all the information

this group provides to find what is going to be helpful in my situation. Is it

real or not? I think we all can agree there is something worth investigating or

we wouldnt be here. I wish we had one place links could go once and for all so

many times a link is posted bunches of times in different post. Itd be nice to

have a reference section where you could go and look up a particular treatment,

and yes a section for you people who have this huge need to bitch. But for Gods

sake back it down some so the rest of us who arent all aids all the time can

still get some benefit

from this group. Allot of you people have some great minds with allot of good

information to share, but your loosing allot of us mer humans.

From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com <aidsisover@ aol. com>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear..

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

Amen, brother. Let's focus on the solution and stop bitchin' about the

problem. There's lots of information out there. I sent a bunch of web

sites that have helped me.

I never did get an answer to my question, is anyone on this site, or

does anyone know anyone, who has managed to get their CD4 to a

" normal " range (600-1200) and their viral load to undetectable without

drugs?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:29, mike thacker <lvnntn8832@...> wrote:

> OK enough!!!!!!! If your going to leave just leave and stop blowing

> up my mail with your soapboxing! I come here for answers and help in

> dealing with this whole hiv thing and you people on a crusade need

> to just calm down. Hell with your back and forth I get more emails

> where you guys are bickering than I get text messages on my phone.

> Its hard enough to sort through all the information this group

> provides to find what is going to be helpful in my situation. Is it

> real or not? I think we all can agree there is something worth

> investigating or we wouldnt be here. I wish we had one place links

> could go once and for all so many times a link is posted bunches of

> times in different post. Itd be nice to have a reference section

> where you could go and look up a particular treatment, and yes a

> section for you people who have this huge need to bitch. But for

> Gods sake back it down some so the rest of us who arent all aids all

> the time can still get some benefit

> from this group. Allot of you people have some great minds with

> allot of good information to share, but your loosing allot of us mer

> humans.

>

>

>

> From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com <aidsisover@ aol. com>

>

> Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

>

> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

>

> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

>

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

>

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health.

> This

>

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous

> place to be.

>

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

>

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in

> seeing

>

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

>

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_

> Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

>

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

>

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has

> spiraled

>

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

>

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and

> healers have left

>

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

>

> desperate to hear..

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

>

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause

> AIDS is the very

>

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the

> topics

>

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

>

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the

> purpose on

>

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents

> of AIDS "

>

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

>

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss,

> such as the

>

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS.

> That is

>

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

>

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers

> and

>

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the

> same old

>

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of

> view.

>

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we

> go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from

> the

>

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact

> cure AIDS

>

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on

> taking

>

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one

> post on low

>

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

>

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with

> AND

>

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As

> long as

>

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to

> gutsy

>

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid

> to even

>

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action,

> because

>

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

>

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've

> seen and

>

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not

> interested in

>

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank

> you at the

>

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if

> me and

>

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hugo,

I can get it translated as I have friends in portugal that I stay in touch with.

Can you get names?

>

>

>

> > From: Hugo da Silva <hsanches1990>

>

> > Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this

> group

>

> > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 6:00 PM

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I was a little skeptical about people getting

>

> > cured of aids until a friend of mine met a homeopathy

>

> > doctor, who is now his friend. My friend knows I'm

> HIV

>

> > positive but he didn't tell the doctor. They

>

> > coincidently started talking about big pharma and how

>

> > homeopathy has cured people of so called uncurable

> diseases.

>

> > He himself said to my friend that he has cured 11

> people of

>

> > HIV, meaning they became negative. He even showed my

> friend

>

> > the paperwork, it was probably exams, showing that he

> was

>

> > telling the truth. He is from Brazil, close to the

> Amazon

>

> > Forest where homeopathy is practiced a lot and people

> are

>

> > treated for free. He says he cured 11 people and he

> has the

>

> > proof. Sadly, he hasn't practiced homeopathy since

> he

>

> > moved to the U.S., about 5 years ago I'm

> guessing.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't promise but I'll try. That is not the problem, I also speak portuguese,

I'm from Brazil. However, I can't translate those weird names I've never heard.

I'll try to get some more info about it though.

________________________________

From: D. Filips <beetsmyth@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:08:32 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

Hugo,

I can get it translated as I have friends in portugal that I stay in touch with.

Can you get names?

>

>

>

> > From: Hugo da Silva <hsanches1990>

>

> > Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this

> group

>

> > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 6:00 PM

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I was a little skeptical about people getting

>

> > cured of aids until a friend of mine met a homeopathy

>

> > doctor, who is now his friend. My friend knows I'm

> HIV

>

> > positive but he didn't tell the doctor. They

>

> > coincidently started talking about big pharma and how

>

> > homeopathy has cured people of so called uncurable

> diseases.

>

> > He himself said to my friend that he has cured 11

> people of

>

> > HIV, meaning they became negative. He even showed my

> friend

>

> > the paperwork, it was probably exams, showing that he

> was

>

> > telling the truth. He is from Brazil, close to the

> Amazon

>

> > Forest where homeopathy is practiced a lot and people

> are

>

> > treated for free. He says he cured 11 people and he

> has the

>

> > proof. Sadly, he hasn't practiced homeopathy since

> he

>

> > moved to the U.S., about 5 years ago I'm

> guessing.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

 PH 7.365 in the blood sounds good to me.  Would be interested in hearing more

info from you.  Much appreciated, hope to hear from you.  Thanks.

Joe.

________________________________

From: Dan Kukulka <enemaguy@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 5:13:32 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

The REAL 'key' to health, is to re-NORMALIZE your body acidity.

Research from long ago, and today's research, as well, SHOWS that as your pH

approaches the so-called 'normal' value of 7.365 in the blood, your immune

system can 'take control' and 'kill' all the bad-guy germs, viruses,

infections, and all other maladies.

WHY NOT 'try' to be as healthy as you can >

Dr. Dan, PhD Researcher

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Noreen <noreenelaine@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>

> Usually, I just sit back and read the posts, but occasionally feel it

> necessary to post. As someone who has definitely, been there done it, so to

> speak, I don't mind speaking up. Of course, this is my take on the

> situation. There isn't any proof that HIV causes AIDS, so if one is

> unfortunately labeled with HIV or has been labeled with AIDS due only to low

> CD4's, then my advice is to forget it and go on living life. If one, like

> myself has been labeled with AIDS, due to true illnesses, then I would

> recommend that one try to ascertain what the true culprit is. We all have

> our belief systems in place, but I would much rather have mine based on

> research and not on what the government, most doctors, and unethical

> scientists have to say.

>

> Personally, I do not believe that HIV positive persons nor those who have

> been labeled with AIDS without symptoms should take the drugs, as like

> others have stated, they are toxic. But I realize that one size does not

> apply to all, some have extensive health issues that make the use of them

> necessary. Having said that, I do realize that most and formost, this is a

> personal decision. We all have our crosses to bear in life and we only walk

> in our own shoes. Many times I have had to tell others to stay on their

> drugs, because I knew that they lived in fear and were not strong enough to

> come off of them. Basically, they felt like they were damned it they do and

> damned if they don't.

>

> The key to all of this is to live healthy, have a good attitude, keep an

> open mind, and keep on learning. No one wants this label but this is the

> hand that life has dealt us. Nevertheless, our choice is how we play it and

> what we do with it. Instead of living in fear and feeling sorry for myself,

> I chose to live life fully and hopefully help others along the way,

> afterall, isn't that what we are here for?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" However HIV is only a medical term. It only gets called that when your t

cells drop below 200 or you have a complications such as PCP. " That a nice way

of putting the term of HIV, remind me please what is the meaning of PCP?

cures for AIDS

From: tex_2_be@...

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:53:42 -0800

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

Hi there,

I at first joined this group because I am a nurse who was taking care of clients

that was inflicted with HIV/AIDS. I haven't been on the site lately but somehow

your email caught my eye. I am sorry to hear that your leaving that group. I

thought it was an excellent group when I signed up for it. I thought it would

give my clients somewhere to go where did not feel like they were dealing with

this disease alone. Your absolutely right people can live long and prosperous

lives providing they do what they need to do to take care of themselves. I have

had many clients that have lived with high t cells counts and low viral loads

for many years. However my clients were addicts which took their counts off the

charts. They had to learn too that HIV is the virus that cause HIV. However HIV

is only a medical term. It only gets called that when your t cells drop below

200 or you have a complications such as PCP. I wish you luck and hope that you

live a full and long, happy life. It is definitely a reality. Take care.

From: aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS

Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:51 PM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisoveraol (DOT) com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear.

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

Correction: it is called AIDS when CD4 are below 200.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2 May 2010, at 2:12 AM, asm online <asmonline@...> wrote:

" However HIV is only a medical term. It only gets called that when your t cells

drop below 200 or you have a complications such as PCP. " That a nice way of

putting the term of HIV, remind me please what is the meaning of PCP?

cures for AIDS

From: tex_2_be@...

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:53:42 -0800

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

Hi there,

I at first joined this group because I am a nurse who was taking care of clients

that was inflicted with HIV/AIDS. I haven't been on the site lately but somehow

your email caught my eye. I am sorry to hear that your leaving that group. I

thought it was an excellent group when I signed up for it. I thought it would

give my clients somewhere to go where did not feel like they were dealing with

this disease alone. Your absolutely right people can live long and prosperous

lives providing they do what they need to do to take care of themselves. I have

had many clients that have lived with high t cells counts and low viral loads

for many years. However my clients were addicts which took their counts off the

charts. They had to learn too that HIV is the virus that cause HIV. However HIV

is only a medical term. It only gets called that when your t cells drop below

200 or you have a complications such as PCP. I wish you luck and hope that you

live a full and long, happy life. It is definitely a reality. Take care.

From: aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS

Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:51 PM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisoveraol (DOT) com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear.

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

Correction: it is called AIDS when CD4 are below 200.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2 May 2010, at 2:12 AM, asm online <asmonline@...> wrote:

" However HIV is only a medical term. It only gets called that when your t cells

drop below 200 or you have a complications such as PCP. " That a nice way of

putting the term of HIV, remind me please what is the meaning of PCP?

cures for AIDS

From: tex_2_be@...

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:53:42 -0800

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

Hi there,

I at first joined this group because I am a nurse who was taking care of clients

that was inflicted with HIV/AIDS. I haven't been on the site lately but somehow

your email caught my eye. I am sorry to hear that your leaving that group. I

thought it was an excellent group when I signed up for it. I thought it would

give my clients somewhere to go where did not feel like they were dealing with

this disease alone. Your absolutely right people can live long and prosperous

lives providing they do what they need to do to take care of themselves. I have

had many clients that have lived with high t cells counts and low viral loads

for many years. However my clients were addicts which took their counts off the

charts. They had to learn too that HIV is the virus that cause HIV. However HIV

is only a medical term. It only gets called that when your t cells drop below

200 or you have a complications such as PCP. I wish you luck and hope that you

live a full and long, happy life. It is definitely a reality. Take care.

From: aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS

Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:51 PM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisoveraol (DOT) com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear.

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.