Re: Why I'm leaving this group

January 25, 2010

Morning group...I have only been here a short time and just recently pulled my

head outta the sand again AFTER ANOTHER DECADE of accepting all the lies and

bullshit. My first decade was full of doctors from the VA switching drugs on me

every time something new came alone and never working, then finally going on a

drug vacation but doing nothing else to help my immune system fight back. Then

found an experienced doctor who got me on drugs that did work, at least

according to the #'s that they rely on and I could tolerate the drugs and felt

somewhat normal again for almost ten years now and still having no problems BUT

last Wednesday I stopped all drugs and decided to pursue a different approach.

Anyway, CalmLotusFlower seemed to be the calm that this group needed and I sure

will miss her voice. Thanks Bob

> > > Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> > > the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> > > group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> > > be.

> > > Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> > > message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> > > this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> > > HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> > > (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> > > If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> > > _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

> > >

> > > Farewell my friends.

> > >

> > > E

> > >

> > > In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > > calmlotusflower writes:

> > >

> > > I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> > > into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> > > discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> > > have left

> > > and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> > > desperate to hear.

> > >

> > > Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> > > discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> > > the very

> > > clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the

topics

> > > you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> > > beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the

purpose

> > > on

> > > the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of

AIDS "

> > > (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> > > hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> > > the

> > > markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> > > *every

> > >

> > > If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> > > many MANY other mainstream forums?

> > >

> > > I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> > > asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> > > old

> > > dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of

view..

> > > This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

> > >

> > > More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> > > board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> > > AIDS

> > > diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> > > antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> > > low

> > > T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> > > SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> > > without HIV status??).

> > >

> > > This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> > > we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> > > real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> > > post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> > > not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> > > actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> > > and

> > > heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> > > becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> > > the

> > > end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> > > mine are safe, and we aren't.

> > >

> > > Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

> > >

January 25, 2010

Thanks. I am one of those who just read and absorb everything. Having been

diagnosed positive, I need all the information I can get. Please do not quit.

________________________________

From: Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sat, 23 January, 2010 21:05:41

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

You guys are kidding me? You're just up and leaving because things are seeming

to spiral out of hand? You know, there may be someone here who is reading and

not saying anything. There may be someone who is HIV poz and you are helping

them but they are just not saying anything for various reasons. Everything

happens for a reason and sometimes those reasons are not known. Don't just give

up and let people chase you away because even if only one person is helped,

saved, cured, whatever you want to say, then I think one life is worth saving!

Don't be a quitter. You never know whose life or lives you may be touching

without even knowing it.

The group may be turning into something different but stay true to your cause

because the group is still what it is: " cures for AIDS. " Personally, I am learning

from EVERYONE in this group just as I learn from everyone in life in general.

If you run out of here and get frustrated, you may be walking out on someone who

really needs you and they are silently watching, reading, and absorbing what you

share. I get frustrated with alot of things ... including living with the fact

that I have been diagnosed HIV positive, yet I am not quitting! I am not giving

up and I say to you people if you walk out, you're just a quitter and in my

vocabulary, that word doesn't fit! So cheer up, calm down, and stay true to

YOUR cause as it relates to the subject of this group. If someone says

something that you feel is not appropriate to the group, then report them to the

moderator, or even ignore them and only share your thoughts with people who will

actually

listen. I really feel that giving up and quitting is such a weak thing to do.

That's just MY opinion tho!

Randall

From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com <aidsisoveraol (DOT) com>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear.

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

January 25, 2010