Re: Why I'm leaving this group

[Guest guest]

I can see why you would both be unhappy with some of the posts, but I

simply delete posts I disagree with for the most part. Other times I

voice my opinion, as you both have. I have learned from both of you,

and if you go I hope to find you on other groups.

On 1/20/10, aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...> wrote:

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_Cause_AIDS_

> (HIV_Does_Not_Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere*Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can see why you would both be unhappy with some of the posts, but I

simply delete posts I disagree with for the most part. Other times I

voice my opinion, as you both have. I have learned from both of you,

and if you go I hope to find you on other groups.

On 1/20/10, aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...> wrote:

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_Cause_AIDS_

> (HIV_Does_Not_Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere*Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with .  You don't have to go around posting away, especially to

topics you don't agree on.  People come here lost and confused day after day

especially after finding out they are HIV positive.  I know to you Ed, every

question is a dumb question and you hate to hear the same thing over and over

but that's the reason people come to this group for..... to look for answers,

to find others like them,to find hope, and to learn.  Just because you have you

heals stuck to the ground on your beliefs doesn't mean everyone else is going

to, and you don't have to have a cow everytime someone doesn't agree with you. 

I'm here to simply throw my 2 cents in and help anyone out there who's in need

of guidance and advise.  (I've even spoken by phone to many of you all on here)

I myself am doing very well on the hydrogen peroxide therapy and other

members like Hugo, are doing very well on their Holistic treatments yet we

don't go around urging

everyone to get on that treatment!  People are free to make their own

decisions.  I always understood that HIV was a death sentence without the aid

of medication.  That's what many in the medical field try to tell you.  I've

come to learn that that's bullshit!  I don't care what you do as long as you

take control of your life and your health.  If you want to resort to those

toxic meds then that's your choice to make  I'm here  to tell others there's

hope without meds, that's my purpose for being in this group. 

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisoveraol (DOT) com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with .  You don't have to go around posting away, especially to

topics you don't agree on.  People come here lost and confused day after day

especially after finding out they are HIV positive.  I know to you Ed, every

question is a dumb question and you hate to hear the same thing over and over

but that's the reason people come to this group for..... to look for answers,

to find others like them,to find hope, and to learn.  Just because you have you

heals stuck to the ground on your beliefs doesn't mean everyone else is going

to, and you don't have to have a cow everytime someone doesn't agree with you. 

I'm here to simply throw my 2 cents in and help anyone out there who's in need

of guidance and advise.  (I've even spoken by phone to many of you all on here)

I myself am doing very well on the hydrogen peroxide therapy and other

members like Hugo, are doing very well on their Holistic treatments yet we

don't go around urging

everyone to get on that treatment!  People are free to make their own

decisions.  I always understood that HIV was a death sentence without the aid

of medication.  That's what many in the medical field try to tell you.  I've

come to learn that that's bullshit!  I don't care what you do as long as you

take control of your life and your health.  If you want to resort to those

toxic meds then that's your choice to make  I'm here  to tell others there's

hope without meds, that's my purpose for being in this group. 

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisoveraol (DOT) com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i agree friends if we really say what the cure is they might find some of whom

talks about it dead or lock up .so let's not get carried away guys there

watching this site very close so watch what you say on here .people are being

tooken care of how about that FDA scum bags .we know that your listen and

watching here. peace!!!

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:44:53 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree with .  You don't have to go around posting away, especially to

topics you don't agree on.  People come here lost and confused day after day

especially after finding out they are HIV positive.  I know to you Ed, every

question is a dumb question and you hate to hear the same thing over and over

but that's the reason people come to this group for..... to look for answers,

to find others like them,to find hope, and to learn.  Just because you have you

heals stuck to the ground on your beliefs doesn't mean everyone else is going

to, and you don't have to have a cow everytime someone doesn't agree with you. 

I'm here to simply throw my 2 cents in and help anyone out there who's in need

of guidance and advise.  (I've even spoken by phone to many of you all on here)

I myself am doing very well on the hydrogen peroxide therapy and other

members like Hugo, are doing very well on their Holistic treatments yet we

don't go around urging

everyone to get on that treatment!  People are free to make their own

decisions.  I always understood that HIV was a death sentence without the aid

of medication.  That's what many in the medical field try to tell you.  I've

come to learn that that's bullshit!  I don't care what you do as long as you

take control of your life and your health.  If you want to resort to those

toxic meds then that's your choice to make  I'm here  to tell others there's

hope without meds, that's my purpose for being in this group. 

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i agree friends if we really say what the cure is they might find some of whom

talks about it dead or lock up .so let's not get carried away guys there

watching this site very close so watch what you say on here .people are being

tooken care of how about that FDA scum bags .we know that your listen and

watching here. peace!!!

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:44:53 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree with .  You don't have to go around posting away, especially to

topics you don't agree on.  People come here lost and confused day after day

especially after finding out they are HIV positive.  I know to you Ed, every

question is a dumb question and you hate to hear the same thing over and over

but that's the reason people come to this group for..... to look for answers,

to find others like them,to find hope, and to learn.  Just because you have you

heals stuck to the ground on your beliefs doesn't mean everyone else is going

to, and you don't have to have a cow everytime someone doesn't agree with you. 

I'm here to simply throw my 2 cents in and help anyone out there who's in need

of guidance and advise.  (I've even spoken by phone to many of you all on here)

I myself am doing very well on the hydrogen peroxide therapy and other

members like Hugo, are doing very well on their Holistic treatments yet we

don't go around urging

everyone to get on that treatment!  People are free to make their own

decisions.  I always understood that HIV was a death sentence without the aid

of medication.  That's what many in the medical field try to tell you.  I've

come to learn that that's bullshit!  I don't care what you do as long as you

take control of your life and your health.  If you want to resort to those

toxic meds then that's your choice to make  I'm here  to tell others there's

hope without meds, that's my purpose for being in this group. 

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

lets all stay focus here the agenda for today is helping people get well!!lets

stay on track here guys we don't need people leaving but joining us by the

millions how about it friends?there are people in the shadows doing some very

good things for people with all kinds of problems and they are helping out in a

big way.people don't die from aids they die from taking does drugs that walmart/

walgreens/cvs/et. so all i'm saying is that information is key.

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:49:19 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

i agree friends if we really say what the cure is they might find some of whom

talks about it dead or lock up .so let's not get carried away guys there

watching this site very close so watch what you say on here .people are being

tooken care of how about that FDA scum bags .we know that your listen and

watching here. peace!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Don <donjuan69uni>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:44:53 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree with .  You don't have to go around posting away, especially to

topics you don't agree on.  People come here lost and confused day after day

especially after finding out they are HIV positive.  I know to you Ed, every

question is a dumb question and you hate to hear the same thing over and over

but that's the reason people come to this group for..... to look for answers,

to find others like them,to find hope, and to learn.  Just because you have you

heals stuck to the ground on your beliefs doesn't mean everyone else is going

to, and you don't have to have a cow everytime someone doesn't agree with you. 

I'm here to simply throw my 2 cents in and help anyone out there who's in need

of guidance and advise.  (I've even spoken by phone to many of you all on here)

I myself am doing very well on the hydrogen peroxide therapy and other

members like Hugo, are doing very well on their Holistic treatments yet we

don't go around urging

everyone to get on that treatment!  People are free to make their own

decisions.  I always understood that HIV was a death sentence without the aid

of medication.  That's what many in the medical field try to tell you.  I've

come to learn that that's bullshit!  I don't care what you do as long as you

take control of your life and your health.  If you want to resort to those

toxic meds then that's your choice to make  I'm here  to tell others there's

hope without meds, that's my purpose for being in this group. 

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

lets all stay focus here the agenda for today is helping people get well!!lets

stay on track here guys we don't need people leaving but joining us by the

millions how about it friends?there are people in the shadows doing some very

good things for people with all kinds of problems and they are helping out in a

big way.people don't die from aids they die from taking does drugs that walmart/

walgreens/cvs/et. so all i'm saying is that information is key.

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:49:19 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

i agree friends if we really say what the cure is they might find some of whom

talks about it dead or lock up .so let's not get carried away guys there

watching this site very close so watch what you say on here .people are being

tooken care of how about that FDA scum bags .we know that your listen and

watching here. peace!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Don <donjuan69uni>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:44:53 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree with .  You don't have to go around posting away, especially to

topics you don't agree on.  People come here lost and confused day after day

especially after finding out they are HIV positive.  I know to you Ed, every

question is a dumb question and you hate to hear the same thing over and over

but that's the reason people come to this group for..... to look for answers,

to find others like them,to find hope, and to learn.  Just because you have you

heals stuck to the ground on your beliefs doesn't mean everyone else is going

to, and you don't have to have a cow everytime someone doesn't agree with you. 

I'm here to simply throw my 2 cents in and help anyone out there who's in need

of guidance and advise.  (I've even spoken by phone to many of you all on here)

I myself am doing very well on the hydrogen peroxide therapy and other

members like Hugo, are doing very well on their Holistic treatments yet we

don't go around urging

everyone to get on that treatment!  People are free to make their own

decisions.  I always understood that HIV was a death sentence without the aid

of medication.  That's what many in the medical field try to tell you.  I've

come to learn that that's bullshit!  I don't care what you do as long as you

take control of your life and your health.  If you want to resort to those

toxic meds then that's your choice to make  I'm here  to tell others there's

hope without meds, that's my purpose for being in this group. 

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

SO TRUE WILLIAM I REALLY ENJOY ALL OF THE INFOMATION THAT IS GIVEN IN THIS GROUP

AND IT HAS HELPED ME TREMENDOUSLY AND I PRAY THAT MORE INFOMATION IS AVALIBLE

FOR ME WEATHER I SEE TIME AFTER TIME AGAIN I NEED THIS GROUP TO HELP ME SURVIVE!

please group members if you have been cured of hiv?aids please don't be afraid

to help this group with your infomation because i will sure love to hear all

testimonies and i welcome all advise in my help to not die from this death

sentence i have been given so please keep up the good work and for God sake

don't quit!!

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:59:43 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

lets all stay focus here the agenda for today is helping people get well!!lets

stay on track here guys we don't need people leaving but joining us by the

millions how about it friends?there are people in the shadows doing some very

good things for people with all kinds of problems and they are helping out in a

big way.people don't die from aids they die from taking does drugs that walmart/

walgreens/cvs/ et. so all i'm saying is that information is key.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@ att.net>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:49:19 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

i agree friends if we really say what the cure is they might find some of whom

talks about it dead or lock up .so let's not get carried away guys there

watching this site very close so watch what you say on here .people are being

tooken care of how about that FDA scum bags .we know that your listen and

watching here. peace!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Don <donjuan69uni>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:44:53 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree with .  You don't have to go around posting away, especially to

topics you don't agree on.  People come here lost and confused day after day

especially after finding out they are HIV positive.  I know to you Ed, every

question is a dumb question and you hate to hear the same thing over and over

but that's the reason people come to this group for..... to look for answers,

to find others like them,to find hope, and to learn.  Just because you have you

heals stuck to the ground on your beliefs doesn't mean everyone else is going

to, and you don't have to have a cow everytime someone doesn't agree with you. 

I'm here to simply throw my 2 cents in and help anyone out there who's in need

of guidance and advise.  (I've even spoken by phone to many of you all on here)

I myself am doing very well on the hydrogen peroxide therapy and other

members like Hugo, are doing very well on their Holistic treatments yet we

don't go around urging

everyone to get on that treatment!  People are free to make their own

decisions.  I always understood that HIV was a death sentence without the aid

of medication.  That's what many in the medical field try to tell you.  I've

come to learn that that's bullshit!  I don't care what you do as long as you

take control of your life and your health.  If you want to resort to those

toxic meds then that's your choice to make  I'm here  to tell others there's

hope without meds, that's my purpose for being in this group. 

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

SO TRUE WILLIAM I REALLY ENJOY ALL OF THE INFOMATION THAT IS GIVEN IN THIS GROUP

AND IT HAS HELPED ME TREMENDOUSLY AND I PRAY THAT MORE INFOMATION IS AVALIBLE

FOR ME WEATHER I SEE TIME AFTER TIME AGAIN I NEED THIS GROUP TO HELP ME SURVIVE!

please group members if you have been cured of hiv?aids please don't be afraid

to help this group with your infomation because i will sure love to hear all

testimonies and i welcome all advise in my help to not die from this death

sentence i have been given so please keep up the good work and for God sake

don't quit!!

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:59:43 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

lets all stay focus here the agenda for today is helping people get well!!lets

stay on track here guys we don't need people leaving but joining us by the

millions how about it friends?there are people in the shadows doing some very

good things for people with all kinds of problems and they are helping out in a

big way.people don't die from aids they die from taking does drugs that walmart/

walgreens/cvs/ et. so all i'm saying is that information is key.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@ att.net>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:49:19 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

i agree friends if we really say what the cure is they might find some of whom

talks about it dead or lock up .so let's not get carried away guys there

watching this site very close so watch what you say on here .people are being

tooken care of how about that FDA scum bags .we know that your listen and

watching here. peace!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Don <donjuan69uni>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:44:53 AM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree with .  You don't have to go around posting away, especially to

topics you don't agree on.  People come here lost and confused day after day

especially after finding out they are HIV positive.  I know to you Ed, every

question is a dumb question and you hate to hear the same thing over and over

but that's the reason people come to this group for..... to look for answers,

to find others like them,to find hope, and to learn.  Just because you have you

heals stuck to the ground on your beliefs doesn't mean everyone else is going

to, and you don't have to have a cow everytime someone doesn't agree with you. 

I'm here to simply throw my 2 cents in and help anyone out there who's in need

of guidance and advise.  (I've even spoken by phone to many of you all on here)

I myself am doing very well on the hydrogen peroxide therapy and other

members like Hugo, are doing very well on their Holistic treatments yet we

don't go around urging

everyone to get on that treatment!  People are free to make their own

decisions.  I always understood that HIV was a death sentence without the aid

of medication.  That's what many in the medical field try to tell you.  I've

come to learn that that's bullshit!  I don't care what you do as long as you

take control of your life and your health.  If you want to resort to those

toxic meds then that's your choice to make  I'm here  to tell others there's

hope without meds, that's my purpose for being in this group. 

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree my bother

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view...

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree my bother

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view...

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I at first joined this group because I am a nurse who was taking care of clients

that was inflicted with HIV/AIDS.  I haven't been on the site lately but

somehow your email caught my eye. I am sorry to hear that your leaving that

group.  I thought it was an excellent group when I signed up for it. I thought

it would give my clients somewhere to go where did not feel like they were

dealing with this disease alone.  Your absolutely right people can live long

and prosperous lives providing they do what they need to do to take care of

themselves.  I have had many clients that have lived with high t cells counts

and low viral loads for many years.  However my clients were addicts which took

their counts off the charts. They had to learn too that HIV is the virus that

cause HIV.  However HIV is only a medical term.  It only gets called that when

your t cells drop below 200 or you have a complications such as PCP.  I wish

you luck and hope that you

live a full and long, happy life. It is definitely a reality.  Take care.

From: aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS

Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:51 PM

 

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisoveraol (DOT) com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear.

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I at first joined this group because I am a nurse who was taking care of clients

that was inflicted with HIV/AIDS.  I haven't been on the site lately but

somehow your email caught my eye. I am sorry to hear that your leaving that

group.  I thought it was an excellent group when I signed up for it. I thought

it would give my clients somewhere to go where did not feel like they were

dealing with this disease alone.  Your absolutely right people can live long

and prosperous lives providing they do what they need to do to take care of

themselves.  I have had many clients that have lived with high t cells counts

and low viral loads for many years.  However my clients were addicts which took

their counts off the charts. They had to learn too that HIV is the virus that

cause HIV.  However HIV is only a medical term.  It only gets called that when

your t cells drop below 200 or you have a complications such as PCP.  I wish

you luck and hope that you

live a full and long, happy life. It is definitely a reality.  Take care.

From: aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS

Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:51 PM

 

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisoveraol (DOT) com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear.

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

You guys are kidding me?  You're just up and leaving because things are seeming

to spiral out of hand?  You know, there may be someone here who is reading and

not saying anything.  There may be someone who is HIV poz and you are helping

them but they are just not saying anything for various reasons.  Everything

happens for a reason and sometimes those reasons are not known.  Don't just

give up and let people chase you away because even if only one person is helped,

saved, cured, whatever you want to say, then I think one life is worth saving! 

Don't be a quitter.  You never know whose life or lives you may be touching

without even knowing it. 

 

The group may be turning into something different but stay true to your cause

because the group is still what it is: " cures for AIDS. "   Personally, I am learning

from EVERYONE in this group just as I learn from everyone in life in general. 

If you run out of here and get frustrated, you may be walking out on someone who

really needs you and they are silently watching, reading, and absorbing what you

share.  I get frustrated with alot of things ... including living with the fact

that I have been diagnosed HIV positive, yet I am not quitting!  I am not

giving up and I say to you people if you walk out, you're just a quitter and in

my vocabulary, that word doesn't fit!  So cheer up, calm down, and stay true to

YOUR cause as it relates to the subject of this group.  If someone says

something that you feel is not appropriate to the group, then report them to the

moderator, or even ignore them and only share your thoughts with people who will

actually

listen.  I really feel that giving up and quitting is such a weak thing to

do.  That's just MY opinion tho!

 

 

Randall

From: aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

 

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisoveraol (DOT) com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear.

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

You guys are kidding me?  You're just up and leaving because things are seeming

to spiral out of hand?  You know, there may be someone here who is reading and

not saying anything.  There may be someone who is HIV poz and you are helping

them but they are just not saying anything for various reasons.  Everything

happens for a reason and sometimes those reasons are not known.  Don't just

give up and let people chase you away because even if only one person is helped,

saved, cured, whatever you want to say, then I think one life is worth saving! 

Don't be a quitter.  You never know whose life or lives you may be touching

without even knowing it. 

 

The group may be turning into something different but stay true to your cause

because the group is still what it is: " cures for AIDS. "   Personally, I am learning

from EVERYONE in this group just as I learn from everyone in life in general. 

If you run out of here and get frustrated, you may be walking out on someone who

really needs you and they are silently watching, reading, and absorbing what you

share.  I get frustrated with alot of things ... including living with the fact

that I have been diagnosed HIV positive, yet I am not quitting!  I am not

giving up and I say to you people if you walk out, you're just a quitter and in

my vocabulary, that word doesn't fit!  So cheer up, calm down, and stay true to

YOUR cause as it relates to the subject of this group.  If someone says

something that you feel is not appropriate to the group, then report them to the

moderator, or even ignore them and only share your thoughts with people who will

actually

listen.  I really feel that giving up and quitting is such a weak thing to

do.  That's just MY opinion tho!

 

 

Randall

From: aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...>

Subject: Why I'm leaving this group

cures for AIDS

Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 3:51 AM

 

Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to be.

Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_ (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_

Cause_AIDS/) .

If you have comments for me personally, address them to

_aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisoveraol (DOT) com) .

Farewell my friends.

E

In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

calmlotusflower writes:

I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers have

left

and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

desperate to hear.

Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the

very

clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose on

the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

(ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as the

markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

*every

If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

many MANY other mainstream forums?

I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same old

dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view.

This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure AIDS

diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on low

T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

without HIV status??).

This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen and

heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at the

end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

mine are safe, and we aren't.

Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

[Guest guest]

I appreciate those who don't understand why someone would want to leave and I

think all of us have different reasons, if only slightly, from each other. For

me, it is that I've been walking this path for many years. I've debated this

topic with doctors online and off. I've had discussions with all kinds of

people from AIDS sufferers through to people who " know someone who is HIV

positive " .

In the past, seeing certain things written would only be a trigger for me to

give hard evidence against it, or long explanations and much time and effort

correcting the misinformation. I am not motivated in that way anymore. I see

that stuff and I just want to bury my head in a pillow and sob at what the world

has become, at what we accept as " normal " . In the future, this will all look so

medieval the way we treat our illnesses and sick people.

I hope while I have been here I have been some use, to some one, some where.

I've never wanted anything from any of you but the knowledge of your health and

joyful laughter.

In love and peace. x

> > Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> > the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> > group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> > be.

> > Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> > message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> > this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> > HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> > (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> > If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> > _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

> >

> > Farewell my friends.

> >

> > E

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > calmlotusflower writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> > into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> > discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> > have left

> > and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> > desperate to hear.

> >

> > Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> > discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> > the very

> > clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> > you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> > beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> > on

> > the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> > (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> > hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> > the

> > markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> > *every

> >

> > If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> > many MANY other mainstream forums?

> >

> > I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> > asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> > old

> > dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> > This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

> >

> > More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> > board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> > AIDS

> > diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> > antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> > low

> > T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> > SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> > without HIV status??).

> >

> > This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> > we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> > real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> > post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> > not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> > actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> > and

> > heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> > becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> > the

> > end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> > mine are safe, and we aren't.

> >

> > Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I appreciate those who don't understand why someone would want to leave and I

think all of us have different reasons, if only slightly, from each other. For

me, it is that I've been walking this path for many years. I've debated this

topic with doctors online and off. I've had discussions with all kinds of

people from AIDS sufferers through to people who " know someone who is HIV

positive " .

In the past, seeing certain things written would only be a trigger for me to

give hard evidence against it, or long explanations and much time and effort

correcting the misinformation. I am not motivated in that way anymore. I see

that stuff and I just want to bury my head in a pillow and sob at what the world

has become, at what we accept as " normal " . In the future, this will all look so

medieval the way we treat our illnesses and sick people.

I hope while I have been here I have been some use, to some one, some where.

I've never wanted anything from any of you but the knowledge of your health and

joyful laughter.

In love and peace. x

> > Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> > the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> > group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> > be.

> > Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> > message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> > this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> > HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> > (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> > If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> > _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

> >

> > Farewell my friends.

> >

> > E

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > calmlotusflower writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> > into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> > discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> > have left

> > and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> > desperate to hear.

> >

> > Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> > discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> > the very

> > clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> > you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> > beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> > on

> > the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> > (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> > hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> > the

> > markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> > *every

> >

> > If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> > many MANY other mainstream forums?

> >

> > I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> > asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> > old

> > dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view..

> > This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

> >

> > More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> > board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> > AIDS

> > diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> > antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> > low

> > T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> > SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> > without HIV status??).

> >

> > This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> > we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> > real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> > post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> > not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> > actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> > and

> > heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> > becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> > the

> > end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> > mine are safe, and we aren't.

> >

> > Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

some people are on here to really help bring the cure for everything out front.

we must not be afraid to tell the truth now about  curing aids/cancer /and

everything else these damn people have put on us .stop saying that there isn't

any cure for aids/hiv because that is a right out damn lie .just one of

the first person curing people from aids was a guy by the name of   dr.

boyed E. graves you can tip this guys name in and read about the truth.that's

why he was murder at the young age of 59 dr. bob beck was probably murdered and

many others who have cured people from aids /cancer et. dr. clark these were

people who were curing persons  thats why there not around today .we must clean

every inch of our temples meaning our bodies for at least a year drink plenty of

good water flush out does kidney's flush out that liver clean  that blood and

only will you start to feel better but it takes time you have eaten alot of

crap. you have done damage to

your bodies for more than twenty years plus these thing have been building in

your temples for a long time and now your sick from all of the meat you've been

consuming .just eating real bad foods and drinking pop bad juices and nasty

water et.

but stop saying that there isn't any cure for any thing on mother earth your

fooling yourself .the creator has a cure for every one .search and you shall

find on your computers web sites tip in suppressed medical discovery colloidial

silver is a bug  killer and it kicks the hell out of aids /hiv et. this stuff

is real good make it your self at home drink according to your body weight .i

drink it every single day .just tip in colloidial silver .com and read the

answer in front of you .. when your looking for something so hard you some how

never find it and these people know that it's like finding a needle in a hey

stack but the answer is not far away .people say that zapping doesn't work for

them because your body is fighting the best way it knows how by letting off pain

swelling et.some people say that bob becks silver paluser doesn't work but give

it about 6months to a year nothing works over night believe that !all of these

things work in conjuction

with one another that's why it's a serious threat to the drug pushers.more good

information coming soon.peace!!! p.s. i find that black walnut hulls tinture

very strong stuff kills the hell out of worms try these things out go to dr.

clarks web site and get that tinture or make your own i do.stop the bad n.w.o

and join the good n.w.o helping and loving the human family!!!

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:22:49 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree my bother

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view...

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

some people are on here to really help bring the cure for everything out front.

we must not be afraid to tell the truth now about  curing aids/cancer /and

everything else these damn people have put on us .stop saying that there isn't

any cure for aids/hiv because that is a right out damn lie .just one of

the first person curing people from aids was a guy by the name of   dr.

boyed E. graves you can tip this guys name in and read about the truth.that's

why he was murder at the young age of 59 dr. bob beck was probably murdered and

many others who have cured people from aids /cancer et. dr. clark these were

people who were curing persons  thats why there not around today .we must clean

every inch of our temples meaning our bodies for at least a year drink plenty of

good water flush out does kidney's flush out that liver clean  that blood and

only will you start to feel better but it takes time you have eaten alot of

crap. you have done damage to

your bodies for more than twenty years plus these thing have been building in

your temples for a long time and now your sick from all of the meat you've been

consuming .just eating real bad foods and drinking pop bad juices and nasty

water et.

but stop saying that there isn't any cure for any thing on mother earth your

fooling yourself .the creator has a cure for every one .search and you shall

find on your computers web sites tip in suppressed medical discovery colloidial

silver is a bug  killer and it kicks the hell out of aids /hiv et. this stuff

is real good make it your self at home drink according to your body weight .i

drink it every single day .just tip in colloidial silver .com and read the

answer in front of you .. when your looking for something so hard you some how

never find it and these people know that it's like finding a needle in a hey

stack but the answer is not far away .people say that zapping doesn't work for

them because your body is fighting the best way it knows how by letting off pain

swelling et.some people say that bob becks silver paluser doesn't work but give

it about 6months to a year nothing works over night believe that !all of these

things work in conjuction

with one another that's why it's a serious threat to the drug pushers.more good

information coming soon.peace!!! p.s. i find that black walnut hulls tinture

very strong stuff kills the hell out of worms try these things out go to dr.

clarks web site and get that tinture or make your own i do.stop the bad n.w.o

and join the good n.w.o helping and loving the human family!!!

________________________________

From: Don <donjuan69uni@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:22:49 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree my bother

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view...

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i'm damn proud to be apart of this group i have very strong hope for us all !!i

see people living with this man made crap for 20 or more years so what does that

speak to?what does that say to you all on here that aids doesn't kill you but

there drugs do .when you get on them and try and get off you get sicker then you

were before you came in contact with it .for now on we take  a  new direction

on here we only speak the truth and give real good information i mean things

that really helps people .things we all have tried on our selves

silver is very good blackwalnut tinture is very helpful et.zapping is good for

long amounts of time not right away like they say but time will only tell .but

don't mix these items together because they don't go together lay off one or

more for about a week and then start on the other silver or walnut that is .i

know that there are some people on here doing amazing things keep up the good

work .real action is in deed what the sick need not more bull talk but real help

on here !!we can do it with a little truth because nothing happens over night

remember that folks!!!thirty plus years has went by and we are still chasing

our  tails  saying witch way do we go  don't you guys know that we've been

lied to for a long time now.everyone who has died/ died from taking there drugs

or didn't have good food or water to flush out the body think about it for a

moment.that's get down to the fat of this shall we you go to the doctor and you

take a blood test and a

few days later these crooks call you up and tell you that your hiv /'aids

positive you start going crazy not knowing that these people are indeed lying to

you to only have you come back in and get the real deal .if your surffing from

chest pains they'll tell you oh you got aids let us put you on these drugs it

will help you get better now your hooked and what does that mean for them more

money more money .they will never tell the truth never because that will mean

the end of them.so lets get it together and get healed soon.peace out  !!!!

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 12:23:31 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

some people are on here to really help bring the cure for everything out front.

we must not be afraid to tell the truth now about  curing aids/cancer /and

everything else these damn people have put on us .stop saying that there isn't

any cure for aids/hiv because that is a right out damn lie .just one of

the first person curing people from aids was a guy by the name of   dr.

boyed E. graves you can tip this guys name in and read about the truth.that's

why he was murder at the young age of 59 dr. bob beck was probably murdered and

many others who have cured people from aids /cancer et. dr. clark these were

people who were curing persons  thats why there not around today .we must clean

every inch of our temples meaning our bodies for at least a year drink plenty of

good water flush out does kidney's flush out that liver clean  that blood and

only will you start to feel better but it takes time you have eaten alot of

crap. you have done damage to

your bodies for more than twenty years plus these thing have been building in

your temples for a long time and now your sick from all of the meat you've been

consuming .just eating real bad foods and drinking pop bad juices and nasty

water et.

but stop saying that there isn't any cure for any thing on mother earth your

fooling yourself .the creator has a cure for every one .search and you shall

find on your computers web sites tip in suppressed medical discovery colloidial

silver is a bug  killer and it kicks the hell out of aids /hiv et. this stuff

is real good make it your self at home drink according to your body weight .i

drink it every single day .just tip in colloidial silver .com and read the

answer in front of you .. when your looking for something so hard you some how

never find it and these people know that it's like finding a needle in a hey

stack but the answer is not far away .people say that zapping doesn't work for

them because your body is fighting the best way it knows how by letting off pain

swelling et.some people say that bob becks silver paluser doesn't work but give

it about 6months to a year nothing works over night believe that !all of these

things work in conjuction

with one another that's why it's a serious threat to the drug pushers.more good

information coming soon.peace!! ! p.s. i find that black walnut hulls tinture

very strong stuff kills the hell out of worms try these things out go to dr.

clarks web site and get that tinture or make your own i do.stop the bad n.w.o

and join the good n.w.o helping and loving the human family!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Don <donjuan69uni>

cures for AIDS@grou ps..com

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:22:49 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree my bother

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view...

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i'm damn proud to be apart of this group i have very strong hope for us all !!i

see people living with this man made crap for 20 or more years so what does that

speak to?what does that say to you all on here that aids doesn't kill you but

there drugs do .when you get on them and try and get off you get sicker then you

were before you came in contact with it .for now on we take  a  new direction

on here we only speak the truth and give real good information i mean things

that really helps people .things we all have tried on our selves

silver is very good blackwalnut tinture is very helpful et.zapping is good for

long amounts of time not right away like they say but time will only tell .but

don't mix these items together because they don't go together lay off one or

more for about a week and then start on the other silver or walnut that is .i

know that there are some people on here doing amazing things keep up the good

work .real action is in deed what the sick need not more bull talk but real help

on here !!we can do it with a little truth because nothing happens over night

remember that folks!!!thirty plus years has went by and we are still chasing

our  tails  saying witch way do we go  don't you guys know that we've been

lied to for a long time now.everyone who has died/ died from taking there drugs

or didn't have good food or water to flush out the body think about it for a

moment.that's get down to the fat of this shall we you go to the doctor and you

take a blood test and a

few days later these crooks call you up and tell you that your hiv /'aids

positive you start going crazy not knowing that these people are indeed lying to

you to only have you come back in and get the real deal .if your surffing from

chest pains they'll tell you oh you got aids let us put you on these drugs it

will help you get better now your hooked and what does that mean for them more

money more money .they will never tell the truth never because that will mean

the end of them.so lets get it together and get healed soon.peace out  !!!!

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 12:23:31 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

some people are on here to really help bring the cure for everything out front.

we must not be afraid to tell the truth now about  curing aids/cancer /and

everything else these damn people have put on us .stop saying that there isn't

any cure for aids/hiv because that is a right out damn lie .just one of

the first person curing people from aids was a guy by the name of   dr.

boyed E. graves you can tip this guys name in and read about the truth.that's

why he was murder at the young age of 59 dr. bob beck was probably murdered and

many others who have cured people from aids /cancer et. dr. clark these were

people who were curing persons  thats why there not around today .we must clean

every inch of our temples meaning our bodies for at least a year drink plenty of

good water flush out does kidney's flush out that liver clean  that blood and

only will you start to feel better but it takes time you have eaten alot of

crap. you have done damage to

your bodies for more than twenty years plus these thing have been building in

your temples for a long time and now your sick from all of the meat you've been

consuming .just eating real bad foods and drinking pop bad juices and nasty

water et.

but stop saying that there isn't any cure for any thing on mother earth your

fooling yourself .the creator has a cure for every one .search and you shall

find on your computers web sites tip in suppressed medical discovery colloidial

silver is a bug  killer and it kicks the hell out of aids /hiv et. this stuff

is real good make it your self at home drink according to your body weight .i

drink it every single day .just tip in colloidial silver .com and read the

answer in front of you .. when your looking for something so hard you some how

never find it and these people know that it's like finding a needle in a hey

stack but the answer is not far away .people say that zapping doesn't work for

them because your body is fighting the best way it knows how by letting off pain

swelling et.some people say that bob becks silver paluser doesn't work but give

it about 6months to a year nothing works over night believe that !all of these

things work in conjuction

with one another that's why it's a serious threat to the drug pushers.more good

information coming soon.peace!! ! p.s. i find that black walnut hulls tinture

very strong stuff kills the hell out of worms try these things out go to dr.

clarks web site and get that tinture or make your own i do.stop the bad n.w.o

and join the good n.w.o helping and loving the human family!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Don <donjuan69uni>

cures for AIDS@grou ps..com

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:22:49 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree my bother

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view...

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i really love this group and the information is truly appreciated and i am gonna

start making use of these important information and try to put it in my everyday

life.  i really want to know where can i get that silver that is mention and

how much does the coconut oils cost.  I hope this get to the group for i have

been as they say HIV/aids since 1999 and i have been on death's door a time or

two now they say i am undetectable but i just want to take care of myself and

get my body right and let it heal on it's on.  i do believe in the discussions

in this group and will continue to stay a part of this group to help others as

well because i have lost all of my old friends to this disease and my new

friends i have met are dealing with this disease as well.  i want to take time

to thank all for your suggestions and i thank the officials of this group. 

Please help me and stay informative as i will try other avenue to fight this

disease and again if

someone would let me know where can i purchase coconut oil and the cost as well

as the silver that is mentioned so time and time again in the forums.  thanks

to all

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 1:41:15 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

i'm damn proud to be apart of this group i have very strong hope for us all !!i

see people living with this man made crap for 20 or more years so what does that

speak to?what does that say to you all on here that aids doesn't kill you but

there drugs do .when you get on them and try and get off you get sicker then you

were before you came in contact with it .for now on we take  a  new direction

on here we only speak the truth and give real good information i mean things

that really helps people .things we all have tried on our selves

silver is very good blackwalnut tinture is very helpful et.zapping is good for

long amounts of time not right away like they say but time will only tell .but

don't mix these items together because they don't go together lay off one or

more for about a week and then start on the other silver or walnut that is .i

know that there are some people on here doing amazing things keep up the good

work .real action is in deed what the sick need not more bull talk but real help

on here !!we can do it with a little truth because nothing happens over night

remember that folks!!!thirty plus years has went by and we are still chasing

our  tails  saying witch way do we go  don't you guys know that we've been

lied to for a long time now.everyone who has died/ died from taking there drugs

or didn't have good food or water to flush out the body think about it for a

moment.that' s get down to the fat of this shall we you go to the doctor and you

take a blood test and a

few days later these crooks call you up and tell you that your hiv /'aids

positive you start going crazy not knowing that these people are indeed lying to

you to only have you come back in and get the real deal .if your surffing from

chest pains they'll tell you oh you got aids let us put you on these drugs it

will help you get better now your hooked and what does that mean for them more

money more money .they will never tell the truth never because that will mean

the end of them.so lets get it together and get healed soon.peace out  !!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@ att.net>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 12:23:31 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

some people are on here to really help bring the cure for everything out front.

we must not be afraid to tell the truth now about  curing aids/cancer /and

everything else these damn people have put on us .stop saying that there isn't

any cure for aids/hiv because that is a right out damn lie .just one of

the first person curing people from aids was a guy by the name of   dr.

boyed E. graves you can tip this guys name in and read about the truth.that's

why he was murder at the young age of 59 dr. bob beck was probably murdered and

many others who have cured people from aids /cancer et. dr. clark these were

people who were curing persons  thats why there not around today .we must clean

every inch of our temples meaning our bodies for at least a year drink plenty of

good water flush out does kidney's flush out that liver clean  that blood and

only will you start to feel better but it takes time you have eaten alot of

crap. you have done damage to

your bodies for more than twenty years plus these thing have been building in

your temples for a long time and now your sick from all of the meat you've been

consuming .just eating real bad foods and drinking pop bad juices and nasty

water et.

but stop saying that there isn't any cure for any thing on mother earth your

fooling yourself .the creator has a cure for every one .search and you shall

find on your computers web sites tip in suppressed medical discovery colloidial

silver is a bug  killer and it kicks the hell out of aids /hiv et. this stuff

is real good make it your self at home drink according to your body weight .i

drink it every single day .just tip in colloidial silver .com and read the

answer in front of you .. when your looking for something so hard you some how

never find it and these people know that it's like finding a needle in a hey

stack but the answer is not far away .people say that zapping doesn't work for

them because your body is fighting the best way it knows how by letting off pain

swelling et.some people say that bob becks silver paluser doesn't work but give

it about 6months to a year nothing works over night believe that !all of these

things work in conjuction

with one another that's why it's a serious threat to the drug pushers.more good

information coming soon.peace!! ! p.s. i find that black walnut hulls tinture

very strong stuff kills the hell out of worms try these things out go to dr.

clarks web site and get that tinture or make your own i do.stop the bad n.w.o

and join the good n.w.o helping and loving the human family!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Don <donjuan69uni>

cures for AIDS@grou ps..com

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:22:49 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree my bother

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view...

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i really love this group and the information is truly appreciated and i am gonna

start making use of these important information and try to put it in my everyday

life.  i really want to know where can i get that silver that is mention and

how much does the coconut oils cost.  I hope this get to the group for i have

been as they say HIV/aids since 1999 and i have been on death's door a time or

two now they say i am undetectable but i just want to take care of myself and

get my body right and let it heal on it's on.  i do believe in the discussions

in this group and will continue to stay a part of this group to help others as

well because i have lost all of my old friends to this disease and my new

friends i have met are dealing with this disease as well.  i want to take time

to thank all for your suggestions and i thank the officials of this group. 

Please help me and stay informative as i will try other avenue to fight this

disease and again if

someone would let me know where can i purchase coconut oil and the cost as well

as the silver that is mentioned so time and time again in the forums.  thanks

to all

________________________________

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 1:41:15 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

i'm damn proud to be apart of this group i have very strong hope for us all !!i

see people living with this man made crap for 20 or more years so what does that

speak to?what does that say to you all on here that aids doesn't kill you but

there drugs do .when you get on them and try and get off you get sicker then you

were before you came in contact with it .for now on we take  a  new direction

on here we only speak the truth and give real good information i mean things

that really helps people .things we all have tried on our selves

silver is very good blackwalnut tinture is very helpful et.zapping is good for

long amounts of time not right away like they say but time will only tell .but

don't mix these items together because they don't go together lay off one or

more for about a week and then start on the other silver or walnut that is .i

know that there are some people on here doing amazing things keep up the good

work .real action is in deed what the sick need not more bull talk but real help

on here !!we can do it with a little truth because nothing happens over night

remember that folks!!!thirty plus years has went by and we are still chasing

our  tails  saying witch way do we go  don't you guys know that we've been

lied to for a long time now.everyone who has died/ died from taking there drugs

or didn't have good food or water to flush out the body think about it for a

moment.that' s get down to the fat of this shall we you go to the doctor and you

take a blood test and a

few days later these crooks call you up and tell you that your hiv /'aids

positive you start going crazy not knowing that these people are indeed lying to

you to only have you come back in and get the real deal .if your surffing from

chest pains they'll tell you oh you got aids let us put you on these drugs it

will help you get better now your hooked and what does that mean for them more

money more money .they will never tell the truth never because that will mean

the end of them.so lets get it together and get healed soon.peace out  !!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: william smith <williamsmith7850@ att.net>

cures for AIDS@grou ps.com

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 12:23:31 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

some people are on here to really help bring the cure for everything out front.

we must not be afraid to tell the truth now about  curing aids/cancer /and

everything else these damn people have put on us .stop saying that there isn't

any cure for aids/hiv because that is a right out damn lie .just one of

the first person curing people from aids was a guy by the name of   dr.

boyed E. graves you can tip this guys name in and read about the truth.that's

why he was murder at the young age of 59 dr. bob beck was probably murdered and

many others who have cured people from aids /cancer et. dr. clark these were

people who were curing persons  thats why there not around today .we must clean

every inch of our temples meaning our bodies for at least a year drink plenty of

good water flush out does kidney's flush out that liver clean  that blood and

only will you start to feel better but it takes time you have eaten alot of

crap. you have done damage to

your bodies for more than twenty years plus these thing have been building in

your temples for a long time and now your sick from all of the meat you've been

consuming .just eating real bad foods and drinking pop bad juices and nasty

water et.

but stop saying that there isn't any cure for any thing on mother earth your

fooling yourself .the creator has a cure for every one .search and you shall

find on your computers web sites tip in suppressed medical discovery colloidial

silver is a bug  killer and it kicks the hell out of aids /hiv et. this stuff

is real good make it your self at home drink according to your body weight .i

drink it every single day .just tip in colloidial silver .com and read the

answer in front of you .. when your looking for something so hard you some how

never find it and these people know that it's like finding a needle in a hey

stack but the answer is not far away .people say that zapping doesn't work for

them because your body is fighting the best way it knows how by letting off pain

swelling et.some people say that bob becks silver paluser doesn't work but give

it about 6months to a year nothing works over night believe that !all of these

things work in conjuction

with one another that's why it's a serious threat to the drug pushers.more good

information coming soon.peace!! ! p.s. i find that black walnut hulls tinture

very strong stuff kills the hell out of worms try these things out go to dr.

clarks web site and get that tinture or make your own i do.stop the bad n.w.o

and join the good n.w.o helping and loving the human family!!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Don <donjuan69uni>

cures for AIDS@grou ps..com

Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:22:49 PM

Subject: Re: Why I'm leaving this group

 

I agree my bother

> Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> be.

> Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

>

> Farewell my friends.

>

> E

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> calmlotusflower writes:

>

>

>

>

> I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> have left

> and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> desperate to hear.

>

> Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> the very

> clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the topics

> you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the purpose

> on

> the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of AIDS "

> (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> the

> markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> *every

>

> If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> many MANY other mainstream forums?

>

> I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> old

> dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of view...

> This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

>

> More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> AIDS

> diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> low

> T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> without HIV status??).

>

> This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> and

> heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> the

> end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> mine are safe, and we aren't.

>

> Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Morning group...I have only been here a short time and just recently pulled my

head outta the sand again AFTER ANOTHER DECADE of accepting all the lies and

bullshit. My first decade was full of doctors from the VA switching drugs on me

every time something new came alone and never working, then finally going on a

drug vacation but doing nothing else to help my immune system fight back. Then

found an experienced doctor who got me on drugs that did work, at least

according to the #'s that they rely on and I could tolerate the drugs and felt

somewhat normal again for almost ten years now and still having no problems BUT

last Wednesday I stopped all drugs and decided to pursue a different approach.

Anyway, CalmLotusFlower seemed to be the calm that this group needed and I sure

will miss her voice. Thanks Bob

> > > Calmlotusflower said it very well. I'm out of here too. I find some of

> > > the nonsense posted lately is downright hazardous to one's health. This

> > > group has degenerated from a place of healing to a very dangerous place to

> > > be.

> > > Maybe if a few hundred members walk out, the group owner might get the

> > > message. In the meantime, I invite intelligent people interested in seeing

> > > this AIDS debacle come to an end to join the group _ :

> > > HIV_Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS_

> > > (http://groups. / group/HIV_ Does_Not_ Cause_AIDS/) .

> > > If you have comments for me personally, address them to

> > > _aidsisover@ aol.com_ (mailto:aidsisover@ aol. com) .

> > >

> > > Farewell my friends.

> > >

> > > E

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > > calmlotusflower writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am leaving this group soon due to the disappointing way it has spiraled

> > > into a drug-discussion and HIV=AIDS group. I can't even join these

> > > discussions anymore, and more and more actually CURED people and healers

> > > have left

> > > and continue to leave, even though they have the secrets you all are

> > > desperate to hear.

> > >

> > > Perhaps reading the purpose on the first page would help, such as

> > > discussion on " causative agents of AIDS " (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is

> > > the very

> > > clear inference). I can go to hundreds of other forums that have the

topics

> > > you want to discuss, such as the markers and all the other mainstream

> > > beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is *everywhere* Perhaps reading the

purpose

> > > on

> > > the first page would help, such as discussion on " causative agents of

AIDS "

> > > (ie, HIV does not cause AIDS is the very clear inference). I can go to

> > > hundreds of other forums that have the topics you want to discuss, such as

> > > the

> > > markers and all the other mainstream beliefs about HIV and AIDS. That is

> > > *every

> > >

> > > If you believe in the mainstream, why are you here? Why not one of the

> > > many MANY other mainstream forums?

> > >

> > > I'm not talking about those who are confused and looking for answers and

> > > asking questions. I'm talking about those who come in here with the same

> > > old

> > > dogma as though it is fact and take issue with alternative points of

view..

> > > This is not the place for that, we get that crap everywhere else we go.

> > >

> > > More than that however, is that I've noticed posts disappearing from the

> > > board that talk of real successes and treatments I know for a fact cure

> > > AIDS

> > > diseases due to feedback from many people. YET, all this talk on taking

> > > antidepressants for fear (WTF??) and " blood markers " and even one post on

> > > low

> > > T cells causing brain damage (what a crock of poppycock, for HEAVEN'S

> > > SAKE! Do these people even KNOW how many have low T cells, both with AND

> > > without HIV status??).

> > >

> > > This site is obviously monitored, as many dissident sites are. As long as

> > > we talk about all the run of the mill crap and don't actually get to gutsy

> > > real cure stories and treatments, it is left alone. I'm too afraid to even

> > > post the most successful AIDS treatment I've ever seen in action, because

> > > not only is this post then at risk of removal (because the treatment

> > > actually WORKS) but goodness knows what else I personally risk. I've seen

> > > and

> > > heard of several people's lives being messed with, I am not interested in

> > > becoming one of them, it isn't worth it. We don't even get a thank you at

> > > the

> > > end of it anyway. Lives saved? Sure. That only becomes worth it if me and

> > > mine are safe, and we aren't.

> > >

> > > Blessings to all especially those who are still open to other ideas.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >