Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 > Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid markers for health. T- cells normally go up when you're sick and come down when you're healthier. Hi Ed,.........since you havent been doing labs or even know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare this to your over-all health-history...I guess you can verify this personally eh. Many of us whose t-cells fell very low, these counts correlated with the diseased condition appropriately. Also, I've been meaning to ask you. Since you seem to be convinced that the hiv virus is harmless if it exists at all,....are all the safe-sex campaigns valueless as far as hiv-transmission is concerned? (yes or no would be appreciated with your reasons). I know I have done unsafe things after I've known and often dont even consider myself hiv + or able to give anyone a harmful germ, nothing more harmful than any other average person is able. Am I being irresponsible? With that, It appears barebacking is a personal decision then, as it all comes down with ones own personal comfort and belief system based on his current state of knowledge and acceptance. Thanks for your responses. It does appear true that getting hiv via oral sex is uncommon, as I know thru personal experience of someone who has been having oral sex with a poz person for over 5 years and very often, and the one giving the oral sex to the poz person is still negative. hmmm. Go figure. The stats seem consistent. So do you think its true for the most part that hiv-transmission is higher risk for barebacking? (hiv being the cause or not of aids asides). this being the primary transmission among gay men? - just wondered your opinon. Thanks! paulie Recent Activity 5New Members Visit Your Group Coolest HairHave cool hair? Share and vote on Bix.com! Y! ToolbarGet it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 > Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid markers for health. T- cells normally go up when you're sick and come down when you're healthier. Hi Ed,.........since you havent been doing labs or even know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare this to your over-all health-history...I guess you can verify this personally eh. Many of us whose t-cells fell very low, these counts correlated with the diseased condition appropriately. Also, I've been meaning to ask you. Since you seem to be convinced that the hiv virus is harmless if it exists at all,....are all the safe-sex campaigns valueless as far as hiv-transmission is concerned? (yes or no would be appreciated with your reasons). I know I have done unsafe things after I've known and often dont even consider myself hiv + or able to give anyone a harmful germ, nothing more harmful than any other average person is able. Am I being irresponsible? With that, It appears barebacking is a personal decision then, as it all comes down with ones own personal comfort and belief system based on his current state of knowledge and acceptance. Thanks for your responses. It does appear true that getting hiv via oral sex is uncommon, as I know thru personal experience of someone who has been having oral sex with a poz person for over 5 years and very often, and the one giving the oral sex to the poz person is still negative. hmmm. Go figure. The stats seem consistent. So do you think its true for the most part that hiv-transmission is higher risk for barebacking? (hiv being the cause or not of aids asides). this being the primary transmission among gay men? - just wondered your opinon. Thanks! paulie Recent Activity 5New Members Visit Your Group Coolest HairHave cool hair? Share and vote on Bix.com! Y! ToolbarGet it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 , Are you serious? Are you delusional? What drugs are you taking? (That might explain your " logic. " ) One of the side effects of the combos is fuzzy thinking. Check out Guyton's Physiology or Grey's Anatomy (the book, not the TV show) and learn what a t-cell is and what it does and what is considered the normal range. You don't have to shed any blood to do that. Ask your doctor(s) what their t-cell counts are. Bet they never counted. Testing positive on so-called HIV tests does not mean you have the virus. There is no known valid test for the virus, so there really is no proof of transmission. There have been several studies of serodiscordant couples who have " unprotected " sex, yet the negative partner remains negative after 20 years or more! Having other people's semen in your rectal tract is one of 70 known factors to cause a positive test result. This can occur even if everyone who ever fucked you was hiv-negative. 20 years ago, when the epidemic began, it was a disease of bottoms, not tops. Well, if the virus was being transmitted and the tops didn't have it, who were the bottoms getting it from? Viruses are pieces of your own genetic debris. You don't have to catch them from an outside source. As to being irresponsible, I say this: If you are sick (and if you're seeing an AIDS doctor and taking medications, you are sick) you should not be having sex -- not even masturbating. You need your energy for healing -- although that isn't likely to happen if your being treated by an AIDS quack. (Any doctor who gives credence to HIV/AIDS is a quack and the death penalty is too good for them.) As far as your t-cell count correlating with your health, I'll say this. After you've been on AIDS chemotherapy for some time, your t-cell count will fall because the drugs are destroying your bone marrow and your thymus. If this is why your count is falling, it's not a good thing, for you. However, in a normal person, not being experimented on by quacks, higher t-cells are more of a concern than lower. Another reason you might find some correlation to how you feel is the placebo effect. The doctor's words are powerful to believers in the Church of Western Medicine. If the doctor says you're doing well, or not doing well, it is going to affect how you feel. I've watched it with my mom, who is recovering from multiple heart surgeries that should have never been performed on someone her age. She can be in tears and thinking she is dying or doing remarkably well based on what the doctors tell her and how they say it. A mind is a terrible thing to fuck. Ed _Diary of an AIDS Dissident_ (http://journals.aol.com/aidsisover/DiaryofanAIDSDissident) In a message dated 3/22/2007 8:26:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, freelightexpress@... writes: > Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid markers for health. T- cells normally go up when you're sick and come down when you're healthier. Hi Ed,.........Hi Ed,.........<WBR>since you havent been doing labs or even know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare this to your overHi Ed,.........<WBR>since you havent been doing labs or even know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare this to your ove Also, I've been meaning to ask you. Since you seem to be convinced that the hiv virus is harmless if it exists at all,....are all the safe-sex campaigns valueless as far as hiv-transmission is concerned? (yes or no would be appreciated with your reasons). I know I have done unsafe things after I've known and often dont even consider myself hiv + or able to give anyone a harmful germ, nothing more harmful than any other average person is able. Am I being irresponsible? With that, It appears barebacking is a personal decision then, as it all comes down with ones own personal comfort and belief system based on his current state of knowledge and acceptance. Thanks for your responses. It does appear true that getting hiv via oral sex is uncommon, as I know thru personal experience of someone who has been having oral sex with a poz person for over 5 years and very often, and the one giving the oral sex to the poz person is still negative. hmmm. Go figure. The stats seem consistent. So do you think its true for the most part that hiv-transmission is higher risk for barebacking? (hiv being the cause or not of aids asides). this being the primary transmission among gay men? - just wondered your opinon. Thanks! paulie NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. 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Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 , Are you serious? Are you delusional? What drugs are you taking? (That might explain your " logic. " ) One of the side effects of the combos is fuzzy thinking. Check out Guyton's Physiology or Grey's Anatomy (the book, not the TV show) and learn what a t-cell is and what it does and what is considered the normal range. You don't have to shed any blood to do that. Ask your doctor(s) what their t-cell counts are. Bet they never counted. Testing positive on so-called HIV tests does not mean you have the virus. There is no known valid test for the virus, so there really is no proof of transmission. There have been several studies of serodiscordant couples who have " unprotected " sex, yet the negative partner remains negative after 20 years or more! Having other people's semen in your rectal tract is one of 70 known factors to cause a positive test result. This can occur even if everyone who ever fucked you was hiv-negative. 20 years ago, when the epidemic began, it was a disease of bottoms, not tops. Well, if the virus was being transmitted and the tops didn't have it, who were the bottoms getting it from? Viruses are pieces of your own genetic debris. You don't have to catch them from an outside source. As to being irresponsible, I say this: If you are sick (and if you're seeing an AIDS doctor and taking medications, you are sick) you should not be having sex -- not even masturbating. You need your energy for healing -- although that isn't likely to happen if your being treated by an AIDS quack. (Any doctor who gives credence to HIV/AIDS is a quack and the death penalty is too good for them.) As far as your t-cell count correlating with your health, I'll say this. After you've been on AIDS chemotherapy for some time, your t-cell count will fall because the drugs are destroying your bone marrow and your thymus. If this is why your count is falling, it's not a good thing, for you. However, in a normal person, not being experimented on by quacks, higher t-cells are more of a concern than lower. Another reason you might find some correlation to how you feel is the placebo effect. The doctor's words are powerful to believers in the Church of Western Medicine. If the doctor says you're doing well, or not doing well, it is going to affect how you feel. I've watched it with my mom, who is recovering from multiple heart surgeries that should have never been performed on someone her age. She can be in tears and thinking she is dying or doing remarkably well based on what the doctors tell her and how they say it. A mind is a terrible thing to fuck. Ed _Diary of an AIDS Dissident_ (http://journals.aol.com/aidsisover/DiaryofanAIDSDissident) In a message dated 3/22/2007 8:26:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, freelightexpress@... writes: > Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid markers for health. T- cells normally go up when you're sick and come down when you're healthier. Hi Ed,.........Hi Ed,.........<WBR>since you havent been doing labs or even know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare this to your overHi Ed,.........<WBR>since you havent been doing labs or even know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare this to your ove Also, I've been meaning to ask you. Since you seem to be convinced that the hiv virus is harmless if it exists at all,....are all the safe-sex campaigns valueless as far as hiv-transmission is concerned? (yes or no would be appreciated with your reasons). I know I have done unsafe things after I've known and often dont even consider myself hiv + or able to give anyone a harmful germ, nothing more harmful than any other average person is able. Am I being irresponsible? With that, It appears barebacking is a personal decision then, as it all comes down with ones own personal comfort and belief system based on his current state of knowledge and acceptance. Thanks for your responses. It does appear true that getting hiv via oral sex is uncommon, as I know thru personal experience of someone who has been having oral sex with a poz person for over 5 years and very often, and the one giving the oral sex to the poz person is still negative. hmmm. Go figure. The stats seem consistent. So do you think its true for the most part that hiv-transmission is higher risk for barebacking? (hiv being the cause or not of aids asides). this being the primary transmission among gay men? - just wondered your opinon. Thanks! paulie NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. 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Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Ed, Nice reply...! May I ask link or reference for the 70 factors that give false HIV positive. > > > > Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid markers for health. > T- cells normally go up when you're sick and come down when you're > healthier. > > Hi Ed,.........Hi Ed,.........<WBR>since you havent been doing labs or even > know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare > this to your overHi Ed,.........<WBR>since you havent been doing labs or even > know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare this > to your ove > > Also, I've been meaning to ask you. Since you seem to be convinced that the > hiv virus is harmless if it exists at all,....are all the safe-sex campaigns > valueless as far as hiv-transmission is concerned? (yes or no would be > appreciated with your reasons). I know I have done unsafe things after I've known > and often dont even consider myself hiv + or able to give anyone a harmful > germ, nothing more harmful than any other average person is able. Am I being > irresponsible? With that, It appears barebacking is a personal decision then, as > it all comes down with ones own personal comfort and belief system based on > his current state of knowledge and acceptance. Thanks for your responses. > > It does appear true that getting hiv via oral sex is uncommon, as I know > thru personal experience of someone who has been having oral sex with a poz > person for over 5 years and very often, and the one giving the oral sex to the > poz person is still negative. hmmm. Go figure. The stats seem consistent. > > So do you think its true for the most part that hiv-transmission is higher > risk for barebacking? (hiv being the cause or not of aids asides). this being > the primary transmission among gay men? - just wondered your opinon. Thanks! > > > paulie > > > > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current > administration. > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Ed, Nice reply...! May I ask link or reference for the 70 factors that give false HIV positive. > > > > Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid markers for health. > T- cells normally go up when you're sick and come down when you're > healthier. > > Hi Ed,.........Hi Ed,.........<WBR>since you havent been doing labs or even > know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare > this to your overHi Ed,.........<WBR>since you havent been doing labs or even > know of your cd-4 count average or fluctuation history so you can compare this > to your ove > > Also, I've been meaning to ask you. Since you seem to be convinced that the > hiv virus is harmless if it exists at all,....are all the safe-sex campaigns > valueless as far as hiv-transmission is concerned? (yes or no would be > appreciated with your reasons). I know I have done unsafe things after I've known > and often dont even consider myself hiv + or able to give anyone a harmful > germ, nothing more harmful than any other average person is able. Am I being > irresponsible? With that, It appears barebacking is a personal decision then, as > it all comes down with ones own personal comfort and belief system based on > his current state of knowledge and acceptance. Thanks for your responses. > > It does appear true that getting hiv via oral sex is uncommon, as I know > thru personal experience of someone who has been having oral sex with a poz > person for over 5 years and very often, and the one giving the oral sex to the > poz person is still negative. hmmm. Go figure. The stats seem consistent. > > So do you think its true for the most part that hiv-transmission is higher > risk for barebacking? (hiv being the cause or not of aids asides). this being > the primary transmission among gay men? - just wondered your opinon. Thanks! > > > paulie > > > > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current > administration. > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 _HIV & AIDS - Factors Known to Cause False Positive HIV Antibody Test Results_ (http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cjtestfp.htm) In a message dated 3/25/2007 11:56:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mahideree@... writes: Nice reply...! May I ask link or reference for the 70 factors that give false HIV positive. NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current administration. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 _HIV & AIDS - Factors Known to Cause False Positive HIV Antibody Test Results_ (http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cjtestfp.htm) In a message dated 3/25/2007 11:56:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mahideree@... writes: Nice reply...! May I ask link or reference for the 70 factors that give false HIV positive. NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current administration. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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