Re: A Clash of Conspiracys

[Guest guest]

Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I suspect

Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by the government

to obfuscate the real issue.

In a message dated 6/19/2007 7:26:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

davemurkel@... writes:

Whats the general consensus of this group re the work of Len Horrowitz /

Boyd Graves and host of other top scientists that HIV is Viral and was created

in the Lab as a Biological Weapon ? The non viral theory does not square up so

one or both must be incorrect.

The notion that the Heterosexual population is safe from AIDS as it is a

direct result of a Gay sex / lifestyle seems very 80's Gods Plague mentality

and

certainly isn't the case from those i have met who are ill. There are a

great many Heterosexual non drug users who have now died of AIDS seeming due to

contaminated blood products.

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may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

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[Guest guest]

Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I suspect

Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by the government

to obfuscate the real issue.

In a message dated 6/19/2007 7:26:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

davemurkel@... writes:

Whats the general consensus of this group re the work of Len Horrowitz /

Boyd Graves and host of other top scientists that HIV is Viral and was created

in the Lab as a Biological Weapon ? The non viral theory does not square up so

one or both must be incorrect.

The notion that the Heterosexual population is safe from AIDS as it is a

direct result of a Gay sex / lifestyle seems very 80's Gods Plague mentality

and

certainly isn't the case from those i have met who are ill. There are a

great many Heterosexual non drug users who have now died of AIDS seeming due to

contaminated blood products.

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

I've seen ostensibly healthy people become sick just from being told they

were " HIV-positive. " The fact that they got tested and continued going to

medical quacks, whether they took the meds or not, indicates that they were in

the AIDS trance belief system. HIV, if it truly exists as an entity, is

harmless. BIV, however, is fatal. What is BIV, you ask? Belief In Virus. A

mind

is a terrible thing to f*CK.

It would be interesting to know when you witnessed this phenomenon, whether

your friends were in risk groups, and why they got tested. Also, when you

talk about doing " all the things that are posted on these boards, " in my

opinion, and from what I've witnessed myself in the past 25 years or so, since I

first became involved in holistic health, most of these things, like silver,

ozone, as well as many herbs and supplements, are actually toxic to the body and

add to the burden on the immune system. Also, most, if not all, of these

people who do these crazy treatments (medical or otherwise) are suffering from

deadly beliefs.

My friends who saw through the medical blunder/hoax, fired their doctors and

did nothing more than a few minutes of rebound exercise to strengthen their

immune systems were 100% successful in maintaining their health. Those who

additionally adopted a healthy diet improved their health beyond their wildest

expectations. Unfortunately, most Americans have no idea of what a healthy

diet really consists of, and many who learn what it involves are too set in

their ways to make the change, even though it would years of healthy living to

their lives and minimize the effects of aging.

Ed

_So... Be Healthy!_ (http://sobehealthy.com/)

The first 1% of the US AIDS (all prior to April 23, 1984) victims were

seriously ill from a decade or more of a highly immunosuppressive lifestyle.

The

other 99% (after 1984) are mostly iatrogenic victims.

_WordNet_ (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/wn.html) - _Cite This

Source_ (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=iatrogenic & ia=wn)

iatrogenic

adjective

induced by a physician's words or therapy (used especially of a complication

resulting from treatment)

In a message dated 6/21/2007 6:59:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

beetsmyth@... writes:

I don't know who originated the " no such thing as HIV/AIDS deal, but I know

several people who have a family history of always being healthy and strong

immune systems for several generations, as well as being vegetarians and

health freaks. I've seen these friends of mine turn from radiant healthy

peaople

to extremely sick and frail individuals, rejecting all aids/hiv drugs, taking

the natural approach, on healthy diets, excercising, and doing all the

things that are posted on these boards, and I've still seen many of them pass

away

or continue to decline in health.

Continue saying that it doesn't exist and give alternative reasons for these

people dying, but I just don't see these alternative explanations as the

real reason.

_aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...) wrote:

Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I suspect

Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by the

government

to obfuscate the real issue.

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

I've seen ostensibly healthy people become sick just from being told they

were " HIV-positive. " The fact that they got tested and continued going to

medical quacks, whether they took the meds or not, indicates that they were in

the AIDS trance belief system. HIV, if it truly exists as an entity, is

harmless. BIV, however, is fatal. What is BIV, you ask? Belief In Virus. A

mind

is a terrible thing to f*CK.

It would be interesting to know when you witnessed this phenomenon, whether

your friends were in risk groups, and why they got tested. Also, when you

talk about doing " all the things that are posted on these boards, " in my

opinion, and from what I've witnessed myself in the past 25 years or so, since I

first became involved in holistic health, most of these things, like silver,

ozone, as well as many herbs and supplements, are actually toxic to the body and

add to the burden on the immune system. Also, most, if not all, of these

people who do these crazy treatments (medical or otherwise) are suffering from

deadly beliefs.

My friends who saw through the medical blunder/hoax, fired their doctors and

did nothing more than a few minutes of rebound exercise to strengthen their

immune systems were 100% successful in maintaining their health. Those who

additionally adopted a healthy diet improved their health beyond their wildest

expectations. Unfortunately, most Americans have no idea of what a healthy

diet really consists of, and many who learn what it involves are too set in

their ways to make the change, even though it would years of healthy living to

their lives and minimize the effects of aging.

Ed

_So... Be Healthy!_ (http://sobehealthy.com/)

The first 1% of the US AIDS (all prior to April 23, 1984) victims were

seriously ill from a decade or more of a highly immunosuppressive lifestyle.

The

other 99% (after 1984) are mostly iatrogenic victims.

_WordNet_ (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/wn.html) - _Cite This

Source_ (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=iatrogenic & ia=wn)

iatrogenic

adjective

induced by a physician's words or therapy (used especially of a complication

resulting from treatment)

In a message dated 6/21/2007 6:59:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

beetsmyth@... writes:

I don't know who originated the " no such thing as HIV/AIDS deal, but I know

several people who have a family history of always being healthy and strong

immune systems for several generations, as well as being vegetarians and

health freaks. I've seen these friends of mine turn from radiant healthy

peaople

to extremely sick and frail individuals, rejecting all aids/hiv drugs, taking

the natural approach, on healthy diets, excercising, and doing all the

things that are posted on these boards, and I've still seen many of them pass

away

or continue to decline in health.

Continue saying that it doesn't exist and give alternative reasons for these

people dying, but I just don't see these alternative explanations as the

real reason.

_aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...) wrote:

Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I suspect

Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by the

government

to obfuscate the real issue.

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

I don't know who originated the " no such thing as HIV/AIDS deal, but I know

several people who have a family history of always being healthy and strong

immune systems for several generations, as well as being vegetarians and health

freaks. I've seen these friends of mine turn from radiant healthy peaople to

extremely sick and frail individuals, rejecting all aids/hiv drugs, taking the

natural approach, on healthy diets, excercising, and doing all the things that

are posted on these boards, and I've still seen many of them pass away or

continue to decline in health.

Continue saying that it doesn't exist and give alternative reasons for these

people dying, but I just don't see these alternative explanations as the real

reason.

aidsisover@... wrote:

Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I suspect

Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by the

government

to obfuscate the real issue.

In a message dated 6/19/2007 7:26:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

davemurkel@... writes:

Whats the general consensus of this group re the work of Len Horrowitz /

Boyd Graves and host of other top scientists that HIV is Viral and was

created

in the Lab as a Biological Weapon ? The non viral theory does not square up

so

one or both must be incorrect.

The notion that the Heterosexual population is safe from AIDS as it is a

direct result of a Gay sex / lifestyle seems very 80's Gods Plague mentality

and

certainly isn't the case from those i have met who are ill. There are a

great many Heterosexual non drug users who have now died of AIDS seeming due

to

contaminated blood products.

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

I don't know who originated the " no such thing as HIV/AIDS deal, but I know

several people who have a family history of always being healthy and strong

immune systems for several generations, as well as being vegetarians and health

freaks. I've seen these friends of mine turn from radiant healthy peaople to

extremely sick and frail individuals, rejecting all aids/hiv drugs, taking the

natural approach, on healthy diets, excercising, and doing all the things that

are posted on these boards, and I've still seen many of them pass away or

continue to decline in health.

Continue saying that it doesn't exist and give alternative reasons for these

people dying, but I just don't see these alternative explanations as the real

reason.

aidsisover@... wrote:

Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I suspect

Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by the

government

to obfuscate the real issue.

In a message dated 6/19/2007 7:26:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

davemurkel@... writes:

Whats the general consensus of this group re the work of Len Horrowitz /

Boyd Graves and host of other top scientists that HIV is Viral and was

created

in the Lab as a Biological Weapon ? The non viral theory does not square up

so

one or both must be incorrect.

The notion that the Heterosexual population is safe from AIDS as it is a

direct result of a Gay sex / lifestyle seems very 80's Gods Plague mentality

and

certainly isn't the case from those i have met who are ill. There are a

great many Heterosexual non drug users who have now died of AIDS seeming due

to

contaminated blood products.

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

If that's the case, Non of the following exist. There is no such thing as

breast cancer, colds, flu's, amputations are unnecessary, sids is a myth, heart

attacks aren't really heart attacks at all. Only the U.S. needs doctors to help

sick people because the rest of the world doesn't get sick.

Makes you think twice about tribes in Africa that started becomming " sick "

from HIV having never even known about any " such thing. " We are talking about

tribes that have had a long hereditary line of healthy ancestors, all of sudden

becomming sick and seeking out treatment from shamans and mdecine men. Many of

these people never knew about such a thing until they started experiencing

actual physical side effects. So there was no belief system at work here.

Where's the explanation for that?? Oh wait, let's just cover that up with a

long list of possible " others " such as malaria, malnutrition, typhoid, yellow

fever etc...right??? Wrong!!!!! Many of these tribes have natural remedies for

all your " others. "

aidsisover@... wrote:

I've seen ostensibly healthy people become sick just from being told they

were " HIV-positive. " The fact that they got tested and continued going to

medical quacks, whether they took the meds or not, indicates that they were in

the AIDS trance belief system. HIV, if it truly exists as an entity, is

harmless. BIV, however, is fatal. What is BIV, you ask? Belief In Virus.

A mind

is a terrible thing to f*CK.

It would be interesting to know when you witnessed this phenomenon, whether

your friends were in risk groups, and why they got tested. Also, when you

talk about doing " all the things that are posted on these boards, " in my

opinion, and from what I've witnessed myself in the past 25 years or so, since

I

first became involved in holistic health, most of these things, like silver,

ozone, as well as many herbs and supplements, are actually toxic to the body

and

add to the burden on the immune system. Also, most, if not all, of these

people who do these crazy treatments (medical or otherwise) are suffering

from

deadly beliefs.

My friends who saw through the medical blunder/hoax, fired their doctors and

did nothing more than a few minutes of rebound exercise to strengthen their

immune systems were 100% successful in maintaining their health. Those who

additionally adopted a healthy diet improved their health beyond their wildest

expectations. Unfortunately, most Americans have no idea of what a healthy

diet really consists of, and many who learn what it involves are too set in

their ways to make the change, even though it would years of healthy living to

their lives and minimize the effects of aging.

Ed

_So... Be Healthy!_ (http://sobehealthy.com/)

The first 1% of the US AIDS (all prior to April 23, 1984) victims were

seriously ill from a decade or more of a highly immunosuppressive lifestyle.

The

other 99% (after 1984) are mostly iatrogenic victims.

_WordNet_ (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/wn.html) - _Cite This

Source_ (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=iatrogenic & ia=wn)

iatrogenic

adjective

induced by a physician's words or therapy (used especially of a complication

resulting from treatment)

In a message dated 6/21/2007 6:59:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

beetsmyth@... writes:

I don't know who originated the " no such thing as HIV/AIDS deal, but I know

several people who have a family history of always being healthy and strong

immune systems for several generations, as well as being vegetarians and

health freaks. I've seen these friends of mine turn from radiant healthy

peaople

to extremely sick and frail individuals, rejecting all aids/hiv drugs, taking

the natural approach, on healthy diets, excercising, and doing all the

things that are posted on these boards, and I've still seen many of them pass

away

or continue to decline in health.

Continue saying that it doesn't exist and give alternative reasons for these

people dying, but I just don't see these alternative explanations as the

real reason.

_aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...) wrote:

Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I suspect

Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by the

government

to obfuscate the real issue.

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

If that's the case, Non of the following exist. There is no such thing as

breast cancer, colds, flu's, amputations are unnecessary, sids is a myth, heart

attacks aren't really heart attacks at all. Only the U.S. needs doctors to help

sick people because the rest of the world doesn't get sick.

Makes you think twice about tribes in Africa that started becomming " sick "

from HIV having never even known about any " such thing. " We are talking about

tribes that have had a long hereditary line of healthy ancestors, all of sudden

becomming sick and seeking out treatment from shamans and mdecine men. Many of

these people never knew about such a thing until they started experiencing

actual physical side effects. So there was no belief system at work here.

Where's the explanation for that?? Oh wait, let's just cover that up with a

long list of possible " others " such as malaria, malnutrition, typhoid, yellow

fever etc...right??? Wrong!!!!! Many of these tribes have natural remedies for

all your " others. "

aidsisover@... wrote:

I've seen ostensibly healthy people become sick just from being told they

were " HIV-positive. " The fact that they got tested and continued going to

medical quacks, whether they took the meds or not, indicates that they were in

the AIDS trance belief system. HIV, if it truly exists as an entity, is

harmless. BIV, however, is fatal. What is BIV, you ask? Belief In Virus.

A mind

is a terrible thing to f*CK.

It would be interesting to know when you witnessed this phenomenon, whether

your friends were in risk groups, and why they got tested. Also, when you

talk about doing " all the things that are posted on these boards, " in my

opinion, and from what I've witnessed myself in the past 25 years or so, since

I

first became involved in holistic health, most of these things, like silver,

ozone, as well as many herbs and supplements, are actually toxic to the body

and

add to the burden on the immune system. Also, most, if not all, of these

people who do these crazy treatments (medical or otherwise) are suffering

from

deadly beliefs.

My friends who saw through the medical blunder/hoax, fired their doctors and

did nothing more than a few minutes of rebound exercise to strengthen their

immune systems were 100% successful in maintaining their health. Those who

additionally adopted a healthy diet improved their health beyond their wildest

expectations. Unfortunately, most Americans have no idea of what a healthy

diet really consists of, and many who learn what it involves are too set in

their ways to make the change, even though it would years of healthy living to

their lives and minimize the effects of aging.

Ed

_So... Be Healthy!_ (http://sobehealthy.com/)

The first 1% of the US AIDS (all prior to April 23, 1984) victims were

seriously ill from a decade or more of a highly immunosuppressive lifestyle.

The

other 99% (after 1984) are mostly iatrogenic victims.

_WordNet_ (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/wn.html) - _Cite This

Source_ (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=iatrogenic & ia=wn)

iatrogenic

adjective

induced by a physician's words or therapy (used especially of a complication

resulting from treatment)

In a message dated 6/21/2007 6:59:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

beetsmyth@... writes:

I don't know who originated the " no such thing as HIV/AIDS deal, but I know

several people who have a family history of always being healthy and strong

immune systems for several generations, as well as being vegetarians and

health freaks. I've seen these friends of mine turn from radiant healthy

peaople

to extremely sick and frail individuals, rejecting all aids/hiv drugs, taking

the natural approach, on healthy diets, excercising, and doing all the

things that are posted on these boards, and I've still seen many of them pass

away

or continue to decline in health.

Continue saying that it doesn't exist and give alternative reasons for these

people dying, but I just don't see these alternative explanations as the

real reason.

_aidsisover@..._ (mailto:aidsisover@...) wrote:

Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I suspect

Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by the

government

to obfuscate the real issue.

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

There is no logic to your argument. The diseases you mention are

real and mostly the result of an unhealthy lifestyle -- particularly

diet. The US spends more on medicine and doctors than any country on

earth, yet we rank close to the bottom in health of all the advanced

nations. Please see 's new film, " Sicko! "

How much time have you spent in Africa. I have several friends who

spent weeks or months there writing articles and making

documentaries. They say you're full of shit and making up your

own " facts " about Africa. The real problem in Africa is that the

population is growing too fast!

I question whether you really belong in this group or if you're here

just to make trouble -- perhaps someone who works for AIDS Inc, or

the medical cabal. Do you know what this group is about? How long

have you had HIV/AIDS? How are you dealing with it? What are you

doing about it?

Ed

>

> Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I

suspect

> Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by

the

> government

> to obfuscate the real issue.

>

> NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National

Security Agency

> may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice.

They may do

> this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no

recourse

> nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

> administration.

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is no logic to your argument. The diseases you mention are

real and mostly the result of an unhealthy lifestyle -- particularly

diet. The US spends more on medicine and doctors than any country on

earth, yet we rank close to the bottom in health of all the advanced

nations. Please see 's new film, " Sicko! "

How much time have you spent in Africa. I have several friends who

spent weeks or months there writing articles and making

documentaries. They say you're full of shit and making up your

own " facts " about Africa. The real problem in Africa is that the

population is growing too fast!

I question whether you really belong in this group or if you're here

just to make trouble -- perhaps someone who works for AIDS Inc, or

the medical cabal. Do you know what this group is about? How long

have you had HIV/AIDS? How are you dealing with it? What are you

doing about it?

Ed

>

> Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I

suspect

> Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by

the

> government

> to obfuscate the real issue.

>

> NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National

Security Agency

> may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice.

They may do

> this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no

recourse

> nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

> administration.

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ed, D. Filips belongs in the group where exchange of opinions openly

is the only way you can get your arguments across. Without doubt,

there can't be research.

Don't do like the pharmaceutical sponsored so called quack hunters. I

registered in the aidsmeds.com forum as they were completely in the

dark and called ozone snake oil so I gave them a lot of information

and shared my experiences. On the second day, I was blocked from the

group. Please let this group open for arguments.

Sylvain

> >

> > Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I

> suspect

> > Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by

> the

> > government

> > to obfuscate the real issue.

> >

> > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National

> Security Agency

> > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice.

> They may do

> > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no

> recourse

> > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

> > administration.

> >

> > ************************************** See what's free at

> http://www.aol.com.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ed, D. Filips belongs in the group where exchange of opinions openly

is the only way you can get your arguments across. Without doubt,

there can't be research.

Don't do like the pharmaceutical sponsored so called quack hunters. I

registered in the aidsmeds.com forum as they were completely in the

dark and called ozone snake oil so I gave them a lot of information

and shared my experiences. On the second day, I was blocked from the

group. Please let this group open for arguments.

Sylvain

> >

> > Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is dangerous. I

> suspect

> > Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated by

> the

> > government

> > to obfuscate the real issue.

> >

> > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National

> Security Agency

> > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice.

> They may do

> > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no

> recourse

> > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

> > administration.

> >

> > ************************************** See what's free at

> http://www.aol.com.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ed,

after being a member of this group for over 2 years now, my personal

concludion is that HIV does exist but you found a way to keep your

immune system strong enough to fight it.

The problem with retroviral drugs is that even though they can kill

all the hiv to undetectable levels within a month, it still hides in

the lymphatic system, where they claim they don't know how to access

it. I believe that they already know but keep the money coming in by

not telling.

What I think is that since you are rebounding everyday, the virus can

not hide there in great numbers and whatever supplements you are

taking can take care of enough in your blood.

Sylvain

> > >

> > > Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is

dangerous. I

> > suspect

> > > Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated

by

> > the

> > > government

> > > to obfuscate the real issue.

> > >

> > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National

> > Security Agency

> > > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice.

> > They may do

> > > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You

have no

> > recourse

> > > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the

current

> > > administration.

> > >

> > > ************************************** See what's free at

> > http://www.aol.com.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Ed,

after being a member of this group for over 2 years now, my personal

concludion is that HIV does exist but you found a way to keep your

immune system strong enough to fight it.

The problem with retroviral drugs is that even though they can kill

all the hiv to undetectable levels within a month, it still hides in

the lymphatic system, where they claim they don't know how to access

it. I believe that they already know but keep the money coming in by

not telling.

What I think is that since you are rebounding everyday, the virus can

not hide there in great numbers and whatever supplements you are

taking can take care of enough in your blood.

Sylvain

> > >

> > > Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is

dangerous. I

> > suspect

> > > Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being manipulated

by

> > the

> > > government

> > > to obfuscate the real issue.

> > >

> > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National

> > Security Agency

> > > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice.

> > They may do

> > > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You

have no

> > recourse

> > > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the

current

> > > administration.

> > >

> > > ************************************** See what's free at

> > http://www.aol.com.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I don't get colds any more, but I probably had close to 50 colds in

my life before I started rebounding daily. I don't believe

I " caught " them though. I believe they were my intelligent, self-

healing body dealing with all the toxins it had taken in.

The commonly accepted church of western medicine's paradigm is that

germs cause disease. If this theory proves to be wrong, it would

explain why western medicine is such a failure. The more we spend,

the worse our health as a nation.

Other religions view dis-ease as a process by which the body rids

itself of an overaccumulation of toxins and restores health. Much of

this can be confirmed by observing animals in nature. Also, in

practice, this seems to work almost all the time, from what I've

observed over the past 2 decades.

Dis-ease is real, but you don't catch it from anyone. You develop it

all by yourself from a multitude of toxic inputs, but mostly from

what we put in mouths with our own hands.

http://www.vegparadise.com/media1.html Check out this documentary.

Ed

http://home.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user & Mytoken=47644485-

12FC-40C5-96839DC319407A1B12652748

> > >

> > > Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is

dangerous. I

> > suspect

> > > Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being

manipulated by

> > the

> > > government

> > > to obfuscate the real issue.

> > >

> > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the

National

> > Security Agency

> > > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or

notice.

> > They may do

> > > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You

have no

> > recourse

> > > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the

current

> > > administration.

> > >

> > > ************************************** See what's free at

> > http://www.aol.com.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I don't get colds any more, but I probably had close to 50 colds in

my life before I started rebounding daily. I don't believe

I " caught " them though. I believe they were my intelligent, self-

healing body dealing with all the toxins it had taken in.

The commonly accepted church of western medicine's paradigm is that

germs cause disease. If this theory proves to be wrong, it would

explain why western medicine is such a failure. The more we spend,

the worse our health as a nation.

Other religions view dis-ease as a process by which the body rids

itself of an overaccumulation of toxins and restores health. Much of

this can be confirmed by observing animals in nature. Also, in

practice, this seems to work almost all the time, from what I've

observed over the past 2 decades.

Dis-ease is real, but you don't catch it from anyone. You develop it

all by yourself from a multitude of toxic inputs, but mostly from

what we put in mouths with our own hands.

http://www.vegparadise.com/media1.html Check out this documentary.

Ed

http://home.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user & Mytoken=47644485-

12FC-40C5-96839DC319407A1B12652748

> > >

> > > Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is

dangerous. I

> > suspect

> > > Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being

manipulated by

> > the

> > > government

> > > to obfuscate the real issue.

> > >

> > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the

National

> > Security Agency

> > > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or

notice.

> > They may do

> > > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You

have no

> > recourse

> > > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the

current

> > > administration.

> > >

> > > ************************************** See what's free at

> > http://www.aol.com.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hello to all. I have not posted in a while but I have been reading all posts. I

am someone who tested hiv negative even though I developed aids like symptoms

seven years ago. and my symptoms got worse until I started reading up on natural

health and applying the info I learned. I don't believe in hiv one bit and I

think there are just too many discrepancies in that theory. If two people have

so called hiv, how can one die and one be perfectly fine for decades? Why isn't

aids inc figuring out the difference that allows one to live and not the other?

If hiv causes aids and the drugs kill hiv then why is it not a cure? why doesn't

aids inc research non toxic treatments for the victims? it seems that the only

information they distribute is self serving and serves no other purpose than to

keep their cash cow alive. they promote fear because that is how they gain

control. When I was in the hiv aids trance, it was probably the worst time of my

life. I remember waiting two weeks for the results. It was mentally agonizing

thinking that I might be told I would die. Back then I would have taken the

drugs if my results were positive. I have taken the test twice in my life, both

times negative. But never again. Why is everyone so quick to believe this theory

which offers no hope and riddled with discrepencies? Promoted by a network of

organizations with huge amounts of money at stake. They need to pay their

shareholders, so if it won't generate huge sums of money they are not

interested. but they parade around like they have the heart of Mother Theresa.

They are the real parasites of this earth. Not just with aids but most disease,

they will lie, cheat, and steal to keep their position. Anyone following the

" healthcare " industry and their media campains should be able to tell they are

rotten to the core. Drunken with greed. My mom received the " best " they had to

offer. She is now dead. Do you see how they are making up new diseases left and

right? Lobbying to force drugs on to our children and crush natural therapies.

If you believe everything they say then you should get your wife tested for

pmdd and give your daughter the new anticancer injections. And while your at it

throw out all your fresh fruits and vegetable because you might get an overdose

of vitamin " o " ? I know the media is powerful and they are pharma allies, but

damn don't be so gullable. wakeupallmankind

> > > > >

> > > > > Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is

> > dangerous. I

> > > > suspect

> > > > > Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being

> > manipulated by

> > > > the

> > > > > government

> > > > > to obfuscate the real issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the

> > National

> > > > Security Agency

> > > > > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or

> > notice.

> > > > They may do

> > > > > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You

> > have no

> > > > recourse

> > > > > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the

> > current

> > > > > administration.

> > > > >

> > > > > ************************************** See what's free at

> > > > http://www.aol.com.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello to all. I have not posted in a while but I have been reading all posts. I

am someone who tested hiv negative even though I developed aids like symptoms

seven years ago. and my symptoms got worse until I started reading up on natural

health and applying the info I learned. I don't believe in hiv one bit and I

think there are just too many discrepancies in that theory. If two people have

so called hiv, how can one die and one be perfectly fine for decades? Why isn't

aids inc figuring out the difference that allows one to live and not the other?

If hiv causes aids and the drugs kill hiv then why is it not a cure? why doesn't

aids inc research non toxic treatments for the victims? it seems that the only

information they distribute is self serving and serves no other purpose than to

keep their cash cow alive. they promote fear because that is how they gain

control. When I was in the hiv aids trance, it was probably the worst time of my

life. I remember waiting two weeks for the results. It was mentally agonizing

thinking that I might be told I would die. Back then I would have taken the

drugs if my results were positive. I have taken the test twice in my life, both

times negative. But never again. Why is everyone so quick to believe this theory

which offers no hope and riddled with discrepencies? Promoted by a network of

organizations with huge amounts of money at stake. They need to pay their

shareholders, so if it won't generate huge sums of money they are not

interested. but they parade around like they have the heart of Mother Theresa.

They are the real parasites of this earth. Not just with aids but most disease,

they will lie, cheat, and steal to keep their position. Anyone following the

" healthcare " industry and their media campains should be able to tell they are

rotten to the core. Drunken with greed. My mom received the " best " they had to

offer. She is now dead. Do you see how they are making up new diseases left and

right? Lobbying to force drugs on to our children and crush natural therapies.

If you believe everything they say then you should get your wife tested for

pmdd and give your daughter the new anticancer injections. And while your at it

throw out all your fresh fruits and vegetable because you might get an overdose

of vitamin " o " ? I know the media is powerful and they are pharma allies, but

damn don't be so gullable. wakeupallmankind

> > > > >

> > > > > Any quack who gives credence to the viral theory is

> > dangerous. I

> > > > suspect

> > > > > Dr. Horrorwits is knowingly or unknowingly being

> > manipulated by

> > > > the

> > > > > government

> > > > > to obfuscate the real issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the

> > National

> > > > Security Agency

> > > > > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or

> > notice.

> > > > They may do

> > > > > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You

> > have no

> > > > recourse

> > > > > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the

> > current

> > > > > administration.

> > > > >

> > > > > ************************************** See what's free at

> > > > http://www.aol.com.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Ed and Sylvain,

I am glad that you both are on this chat forum. I honestly don't

know who's right or wrong but you both are very strong and raise good

questions and arguments. I found out I was HIV+ last November and I

was indeed shocked. Mentally, my life has not been the same since,

but I have done well despite the fact. I have NOT gone to the doctor

to find out my t-cell count or viral load and I have not thought about

taking HIV drugs. Not saying that I won't ever, it's just not in my

mind at this point. I do agree with Ed when he says alot of this is

mental. Even the HIV therapist told me that after I got tested. He

said that 90% of living with the HIV virus is mental and 10% of it is

HIV drugs. Yet, he wanted me to consider taking the drugs. I figured

well hell, if most of it is mental (this coming from an HIV

therapist), then hell I need to find ways of strengthening that part

of me because even if I go on HIV drugs and have an attitude of fear

and that " the HIV virus is going to kill me, " then I won't make it anyway!

So at this point, I am living by faith and thanking God for each new

day. For the most part, I have great health. Only problem I really

have is a chronic sinus infection. I've had that forever tho. My

mother and siblings suffer from sinus problems as well. I exercise

daily and eat healthy. I have a strong spritual side (not religious).

I feel that when God is ready for me to go, then he will take me with

or without HIV drugs.

Once again, I would like to thank Sylvain and Ed for making this a

very interesting chat forum and both of you guys are helping us in

more ways than you can possibly imagine. Ed, you are a strong person!

You definitely back up your beliefs and I've never seen you struggle

for words in proving your point. May God bless us all and may we all

soon know the truth!

Blessings To All,

Tavis

-- In cures for AIDS , Caer Daly <caerfree@...> wrote:

>

> To add to that, if I inject my blood with draino, I can guarantee you

> my T Cells are going to go up!

>

> A miracle! Draino kills HIV-The Virus that Causes AIDS hallowed be

> thy name.

>

> Better alert the press.

>

>

> On Jun 23, 2007, at 10:21 AM, aidsisover@... wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Sylvain,

> >

> > I don't take ANY supplements, so there goes your theory.

> >

> > I don't know how you came to your conclusions, but I know of

> > thousands of

> > highly credentialed and respected scientists, educators,

> > journalists, doctors

> > and others, including department heads from every Ivy League

> > university and

> > more than one Nobel Prize winning scientist, who ALL disagree with

> > you.

> > _HIV & AIDS - VirusMyth AIDS WebSite - The Group_

> > (http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/group.htm)

> >

> > Also, there is absolutely no evidence that " retroviral " drugs kill any

> > virus. It's all based on invalid surrogate markers. No one can

> > actually find the

> > virus in a human. When you take the so-called anti-retrovirals

> > (which do no

> > target virus, but kill all kinds of cells), the chemical reaction

> > should

> > trigger a t-cell response in individuals whose thymus glands and

> > bone marrow are

> > still intact. The is (mis)interpretted by AIDS quacks as meaning

> > they've

> > suppressed the virus. This could easily be disproved by giving the

> > same drug

> > to someone HIV-negative and observing that their t-cells go up when

> > you poison

> > them too.

> >

> > All I can say to you Sylvain, is that, in the words of Stevie

> > Wonder, " When

> > you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer.

> > Superstition ain't the way. "

> >

> > Ed

> > _http://home.myspace.com/index.cfm?

> > fuseaction=user & Mytoken=47644485-12FC-40C5-

> > 96839DC319407A1B12652748_ (http://home.myspace.com/index

> > .cfm?

> > fuseaction=user & Mytoken=47644485-12FC-40C5-96839DC319407A1B12652748)

> >

> > In a message dated 6/23/2007 1:11:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > happytype@... writes:

> >

> > Ed,

> > after being a member of this group for over 2 years now, my personal

> > concludion is that HIV does exist but you found a way to keep your

> > immune system strong enough to fight it.

> > The problem with retroviral drugs is that even though they can kill

> > all the hiv to undetectable levels within a month, it still hides in

> > the lymphatic system, where they claim they don't know how to access

> > it. I believe that they already know but keep the money coming in by

> > not telling.

> > What I think is that since you are rebounding everyday, the virus can

> > not hide there in great numbers and whatever supplements you are

> > taking can take care of enough in your blood.

> > Sylvain

> >

> > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security

> > Agency

> > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They

> > may do

> > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no

> > recourse

> > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

> > administration.

> >

> > ************************************** See what's free at http://

> > www.aol.com.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ed and Sylvain,

I am glad that you both are on this chat forum. I honestly don't

know who's right or wrong but you both are very strong and raise good

questions and arguments. I found out I was HIV+ last November and I

was indeed shocked. Mentally, my life has not been the same since,

but I have done well despite the fact. I have NOT gone to the doctor

to find out my t-cell count or viral load and I have not thought about

taking HIV drugs. Not saying that I won't ever, it's just not in my

mind at this point. I do agree with Ed when he says alot of this is

mental. Even the HIV therapist told me that after I got tested. He

said that 90% of living with the HIV virus is mental and 10% of it is

HIV drugs. Yet, he wanted me to consider taking the drugs. I figured

well hell, if most of it is mental (this coming from an HIV

therapist), then hell I need to find ways of strengthening that part

of me because even if I go on HIV drugs and have an attitude of fear

and that " the HIV virus is going to kill me, " then I won't make it anyway!

So at this point, I am living by faith and thanking God for each new

day. For the most part, I have great health. Only problem I really

have is a chronic sinus infection. I've had that forever tho. My

mother and siblings suffer from sinus problems as well. I exercise

daily and eat healthy. I have a strong spritual side (not religious).

I feel that when God is ready for me to go, then he will take me with

or without HIV drugs.

Once again, I would like to thank Sylvain and Ed for making this a

very interesting chat forum and both of you guys are helping us in

more ways than you can possibly imagine. Ed, you are a strong person!

You definitely back up your beliefs and I've never seen you struggle

for words in proving your point. May God bless us all and may we all

soon know the truth!

Blessings To All,

Tavis

-- In cures for AIDS , Caer Daly <caerfree@...> wrote:

>

> To add to that, if I inject my blood with draino, I can guarantee you

> my T Cells are going to go up!

>

> A miracle! Draino kills HIV-The Virus that Causes AIDS hallowed be

> thy name.

>

> Better alert the press.

>

>

> On Jun 23, 2007, at 10:21 AM, aidsisover@... wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Sylvain,

> >

> > I don't take ANY supplements, so there goes your theory.

> >

> > I don't know how you came to your conclusions, but I know of

> > thousands of

> > highly credentialed and respected scientists, educators,

> > journalists, doctors

> > and others, including department heads from every Ivy League

> > university and

> > more than one Nobel Prize winning scientist, who ALL disagree with

> > you.

> > _HIV & AIDS - VirusMyth AIDS WebSite - The Group_

> > (http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/group.htm)

> >

> > Also, there is absolutely no evidence that " retroviral " drugs kill any

> > virus. It's all based on invalid surrogate markers. No one can

> > actually find the

> > virus in a human. When you take the so-called anti-retrovirals

> > (which do no

> > target virus, but kill all kinds of cells), the chemical reaction

> > should

> > trigger a t-cell response in individuals whose thymus glands and

> > bone marrow are

> > still intact. The is (mis)interpretted by AIDS quacks as meaning

> > they've

> > suppressed the virus. This could easily be disproved by giving the

> > same drug

> > to someone HIV-negative and observing that their t-cells go up when

> > you poison

> > them too.

> >

> > All I can say to you Sylvain, is that, in the words of Stevie

> > Wonder, " When

> > you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer.

> > Superstition ain't the way. "

> >

> > Ed

> > _http://home.myspace.com/index.cfm?

> > fuseaction=user & Mytoken=47644485-12FC-40C5-

> > 96839DC319407A1B12652748_ (http://home.myspace.com/index

> > .cfm?

> > fuseaction=user & Mytoken=47644485-12FC-40C5-96839DC319407A1B12652748)

> >

> > In a message dated 6/23/2007 1:11:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > happytype@... writes:

> >

> > Ed,

> > after being a member of this group for over 2 years now, my personal

> > concludion is that HIV does exist but you found a way to keep your

> > immune system strong enough to fight it.

> > The problem with retroviral drugs is that even though they can kill

> > all the hiv to undetectable levels within a month, it still hides in

> > the lymphatic system, where they claim they don't know how to access

> > it. I believe that they already know but keep the money coming in by

> > not telling.

> > What I think is that since you are rebounding everyday, the virus can

> > not hide there in great numbers and whatever supplements you are

> > taking can take care of enough in your blood.

> > Sylvain

> >

> > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security

> > Agency

> > may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They

> > may do

> > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no

> > recourse

> > nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

> > administration.

> >

> > ************************************** See what's free at http://

> > www.aol.com.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dave,

I'm assuming E.D refers to me, Ed. I've mentioned before that I take no

supplements. And you are right -- I am a powerful healer. I do hands-on Reiki

with some amazing results, but what I find even more amazing is remote

Reiki. I had a client with migraines who used to call me from Australia for

remote Reiki, until I told him what to cut out of his diet and he no longer

gets

the head aches.

I don't believe in colonics, although they might be of some comfort for some

people when fasting. The body will cleanse itself if you fast, juice, or

eat a raw vegan diet.

I'm not as pure with my diet as I would like to be, but if I thought I had a

health challenge which even made me think of seeing a medical doctor, I would

first go on a strictly raw vegan diet, properly combined. I do fast

occasionally, but probably not as much as I should.

I first tested poz in 1987 and again in 1993 and then on the oral test in

2004.

I do not agree with you about missing pieces in hiv/aids puzzle. There is

nothing that doesn't make sense, except possibly how they could get away with

murder for a quarter of a century. But when you realize that all of

Republican and Democrat scumbags in government are being bought off by big

pharma, it

becomes understandable. There is one man running for president in 2008 who

could change things, and although he was the front runner in recent polls, he

gets absolutely no press coverage. His name is Ron . He is running as

a Republican in order to get in the debates, but he is really a Libertarian.

You can see him in action on Youtube.com. Please do.

Ed

_www.myspace.com/sobehealthy_ (http://www.myspace.com/sobehealthy)

In a message dated 6/24/2007 11:49:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

davemurkel@... writes:

Like Sylvian, I am here due to being banned from other websites for asking

the wrong questions. (Poz.com) I have an open mind for all the research data.

I'd guess that E.D has tremendous energy and has obviously taken control of

his health. He would probably make a powerful Healer. E.D mentioned getting

Diet right. Would be interesting to know more about this. Do you take

supplements ? Do you Fast / Colonic Cleanse ? Are you Vegiterian ? On a more

personal

note, were you ever diagnosed HIV + by mainstream Doctors, If so when ?

Apologies if this info is in the Archives or private. I'm a Newbie.

As D.Filips inferred, possibly the one thing everybody would agree on, is

that there are still missing pieces to the mysterious HIV/AIDS Puzzle. I agree

with him that there is more to this business than the Bone pointing Aids

trance.

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Dave,

I'm assuming E.D refers to me, Ed. I've mentioned before that I take no

supplements. And you are right -- I am a powerful healer. I do hands-on Reiki

with some amazing results, but what I find even more amazing is remote

Reiki. I had a client with migraines who used to call me from Australia for

remote Reiki, until I told him what to cut out of his diet and he no longer

gets

the head aches.

I don't believe in colonics, although they might be of some comfort for some

people when fasting. The body will cleanse itself if you fast, juice, or

eat a raw vegan diet.

I'm not as pure with my diet as I would like to be, but if I thought I had a

health challenge which even made me think of seeing a medical doctor, I would

first go on a strictly raw vegan diet, properly combined. I do fast

occasionally, but probably not as much as I should.

I first tested poz in 1987 and again in 1993 and then on the oral test in

2004.

I do not agree with you about missing pieces in hiv/aids puzzle. There is

nothing that doesn't make sense, except possibly how they could get away with

murder for a quarter of a century. But when you realize that all of

Republican and Democrat scumbags in government are being bought off by big

pharma, it

becomes understandable. There is one man running for president in 2008 who

could change things, and although he was the front runner in recent polls, he

gets absolutely no press coverage. His name is Ron . He is running as

a Republican in order to get in the debates, but he is really a Libertarian.

You can see him in action on Youtube.com. Please do.

Ed

_www.myspace.com/sobehealthy_ (http://www.myspace.com/sobehealthy)

In a message dated 6/24/2007 11:49:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

davemurkel@... writes:

Like Sylvian, I am here due to being banned from other websites for asking

the wrong questions. (Poz.com) I have an open mind for all the research data.

I'd guess that E.D has tremendous energy and has obviously taken control of

his health. He would probably make a powerful Healer. E.D mentioned getting

Diet right. Would be interesting to know more about this. Do you take

supplements ? Do you Fast / Colonic Cleanse ? Are you Vegiterian ? On a more

personal

note, were you ever diagnosed HIV + by mainstream Doctors, If so when ?

Apologies if this info is in the Archives or private. I'm a Newbie.

As D.Filips inferred, possibly the one thing everybody would agree on, is

that there are still missing pieces to the mysterious HIV/AIDS Puzzle. I agree

with him that there is more to this business than the Bone pointing Aids

trance.

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/24/2007 8:07:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

davemurkel@... writes:

I will certainly check out Ron . He sounds like a good Guy.

Unfortunately here in the UK we are soon to be governed by another Liar, the

Coronation of Gordon Brown ordained by Arch Criminal Tony Blair. There is

Nobody in our corridors of power with genuine Humanity and Vision.

Dave,

I forget we're international here on the net. We Americans think we are the

world. We're supposed the be a free society and provide an opportunity for

anyone in the world born less fortunate, to live with freedom. That's why we

fought a war to become independent of you UK folks. Looks like we've

evolved into exactly what we rebelled from.

I'm surprised that with your extraordinary experiential knowledge you don't

have a better understanding of the disease process and are still enticed to

investigate the black magicians' cures. \

Do you know how many new AIDS cases the UK has had lately? Other European

nations? We don't hear anything about that here in the states. Only Africa.

AIDS is ravishing the African continent, or so we're being told. Yet the

population of Africa continues to grow out of control. Now if we could only

find a way to sterilize an entire generation of Africans....

Get my drift?

Ed

_www.myspace.com/sobehealthy_ (http://www.myspace.com/sobehealthy)

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency

may have read this e-mail without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do

this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse

nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current

administration.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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In a message dated 6/24/2007 8:07:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

davemurkel@... writes:

I will certainly check out Ron . He sounds like a good Guy.

Unfortunately here in the UK we are soon to be governed by another Liar, the

Coronation of Gordon Brown ordained by Arch Criminal Tony Blair. There is

Nobody in our corridors of power with genuine Humanity and Vision.

Dave,

I forget we're international here on the net. We Americans think we are the

world. We're supposed the be a free society and provide an opportunity for

anyone in the world born less fortunate, to live with freedom. That's why we

fought a war to become independent of you UK folks. Looks like we've

evolved into exactly what we rebelled from.

I'm surprised that with your extraordinary experiential knowledge you don't

have a better understanding of the disease process and are still enticed to

investigate the black magicians' cures. \

Do you know how many new AIDS cases the UK has had lately? Other European

nations? We don't hear anything about that here in the states. Only Africa.

AIDS is ravishing the African continent, or so we're being told. Yet the

population of Africa continues to grow out of control. Now if we could only

find a way to sterilize an entire generation of Africans....

Get my drift?

Ed

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Forgot. Here's a link to Ron 's speeches.

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