Re: Aids, living longer than doctors expected

[Guest guest]

I'm new here. So you think the new meds actually are causing people

to live longer.

>

> I'm using my wife email address to post this. I have been living

with

> the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date will be the 21 st

of

> this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids virus they gave me

less

> than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there was no medical help

> for us. At the time we or friends have tried many expermental drug

> treatments. Today i can say for the longest time my counts were off

the

> charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have farther today with

> new kinds of meds.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm new here. So you think the new meds actually are causing people

to live longer.

>

> I'm using my wife email address to post this. I have been living

with

> the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date will be the 21 st

of

> this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids virus they gave me

less

> than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there was no medical help

> for us. At the time we or friends have tried many expermental drug

> treatments. Today i can say for the longest time my counts were off

the

> charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have farther today with

> new kinds of meds.

>

[Guest guest]

Very interesting. Are you saying you got your test results on February

21, 1980? That would be 27 years ago, but the test didn't come out

until April of 1984? I've been " poz " even longer than you, but I

didn't get results until January 7, 1988, at which time they gave me

about 2 years to live without medical intervention.

Well, here it is 19 years later. No medical intervention. No AIDS

doctors. No lab work. No meds. No immune deficiency. How do you

explain that?

Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid markers for health. T-

cells normally go up when you're sick and come down when you're

healthier. Viral load is load of crap. The AIDS industry itself has

admitted it, yet they are still using it, and suckers are still falling

for it. If you're in this group I assume you are, at least, aware that

there is a controversy in science over whether or not " HIV "

causes " AIDS. " It sounds like you still believe in the virus and the

doctors. Very dangerous.

I'm celebrating a 27th anniversary this month too. 27 years since I

started rebounding and stopped getting colds.

Ed

http://sobehealthy.com

>

> I'm using my wife email address to post this. I have been living with

> the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date will be the 21 st of

> this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids virus they gave me

less

> than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there was no medical help

> for us. At the time we or friends have tried many expermental drug

> treatments. Today i can say for the longest time my counts were off

the

> charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have farther today with

> new kinds of meds.

>

[Guest guest]

Very interesting. Are you saying you got your test results on February

21, 1980? That would be 27 years ago, but the test didn't come out

until April of 1984? I've been " poz " even longer than you, but I

didn't get results until January 7, 1988, at which time they gave me

about 2 years to live without medical intervention.

Well, here it is 19 years later. No medical intervention. No AIDS

doctors. No lab work. No meds. No immune deficiency. How do you

explain that?

Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid markers for health. T-

cells normally go up when you're sick and come down when you're

healthier. Viral load is load of crap. The AIDS industry itself has

admitted it, yet they are still using it, and suckers are still falling

for it. If you're in this group I assume you are, at least, aware that

there is a controversy in science over whether or not " HIV "

causes " AIDS. " It sounds like you still believe in the virus and the

doctors. Very dangerous.

I'm celebrating a 27th anniversary this month too. 27 years since I

started rebounding and stopped getting colds.

Ed

http://sobehealthy.com

>

> I'm using my wife email address to post this. I have been living with

> the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date will be the 21 st of

> this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids virus they gave me

less

> than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there was no medical help

> for us. At the time we or friends have tried many expermental drug

> treatments. Today i can say for the longest time my counts were off

the

> charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have farther today with

> new kinds of meds.

>

[Guest guest]

,

It really bothers me when people starting talking

about whether HIV causes AIDS or not...who cares?!

Maybe you're just ONE of the LUCKY FEW who hasn't

advanced towards AIDS. In general, the majority of

people that are diagnosed as HIV+ either are sick or

eventually get very sick and hell whether if HIV

causes AIDS or not to me doesn't matter. The thing

that matters is that HIV people most generally get

very sick and death follows in quite a short period of

time. Maybe you're just one of those people that are

immune to the virus. They call them HIV carriers.

Most people don't live over 20 yrs. without treatment.

If they did, then how come so many millions of people

have died from the infection? Was it HIV drugs that

killed millions of people? Hmmmm... I just don't

think that drilling the fact that HIV causes AIDS or

not is gonna solve anything. We need to look at the

whole picture and see what is happening with people

that are diagnosed HIV+ and what eventually happens to

their health over a period of time. Some say that

drugs are not the answer, but what the hell is and

where's the proof?

Tavis

--- <aidsisover@...> wrote:

> Very interesting. Are you saying you got your test

> results on February

> 21, 1980? That would be 27 years ago, but the test

> didn't come out

> until April of 1984? I've been " poz " even longer

> than you, but I

> didn't get results until January 7, 1988, at which

> time they gave me

> about 2 years to live without medical intervention.

>

> Well, here it is 19 years later. No medical

> intervention. No AIDS

> doctors. No lab work. No meds. No immune

> deficiency. How do you

> explain that?

>

> Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid

> markers for health. T-

> cells normally go up when you're sick and come down

> when you're

> healthier. Viral load is load of crap. The AIDS

> industry itself has

> admitted it, yet they are still using it, and

> suckers are still falling

> for it. If you're in this group I assume you are,

> at least, aware that

> there is a controversy in science over whether or

> not " HIV "

> causes " AIDS. " It sounds like you still believe in

> the virus and the

> doctors. Very dangerous.

>

> I'm celebrating a 27th anniversary this month too.

> 27 years since I

> started rebounding and stopped getting colds.

>

> Ed

> http://sobehealthy.com

>

>

> >

> > I'm using my wife email address to post this. I

> have been living with

> > the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date

> will be the 21 st of

> > this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids

> virus they gave me

> less

> > than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there

> was no medical help

> > for us. At the time we or friends have tried many

> expermental drug

> > treatments. Today i can say for the longest time

> my counts were off

> the

> > charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have

> farther today with

> > new kinds of meds.

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

It really bothers me when people starting talking

about whether HIV causes AIDS or not...who cares?!

Maybe you're just ONE of the LUCKY FEW who hasn't

advanced towards AIDS. In general, the majority of

people that are diagnosed as HIV+ either are sick or

eventually get very sick and hell whether if HIV

causes AIDS or not to me doesn't matter. The thing

that matters is that HIV people most generally get

very sick and death follows in quite a short period of

time. Maybe you're just one of those people that are

immune to the virus. They call them HIV carriers.

Most people don't live over 20 yrs. without treatment.

If they did, then how come so many millions of people

have died from the infection? Was it HIV drugs that

killed millions of people? Hmmmm... I just don't

think that drilling the fact that HIV causes AIDS or

not is gonna solve anything. We need to look at the

whole picture and see what is happening with people

that are diagnosed HIV+ and what eventually happens to

their health over a period of time. Some say that

drugs are not the answer, but what the hell is and

where's the proof?

Tavis

--- <aidsisover@...> wrote:

> Very interesting. Are you saying you got your test

> results on February

> 21, 1980? That would be 27 years ago, but the test

> didn't come out

> until April of 1984? I've been " poz " even longer

> than you, but I

> didn't get results until January 7, 1988, at which

> time they gave me

> about 2 years to live without medical intervention.

>

> Well, here it is 19 years later. No medical

> intervention. No AIDS

> doctors. No lab work. No meds. No immune

> deficiency. How do you

> explain that?

>

> Don't you get it yet? The counts are not valid

> markers for health. T-

> cells normally go up when you're sick and come down

> when you're

> healthier. Viral load is load of crap. The AIDS

> industry itself has

> admitted it, yet they are still using it, and

> suckers are still falling

> for it. If you're in this group I assume you are,

> at least, aware that

> there is a controversy in science over whether or

> not " HIV "

> causes " AIDS. " It sounds like you still believe in

> the virus and the

> doctors. Very dangerous.

>

> I'm celebrating a 27th anniversary this month too.

> 27 years since I

> started rebounding and stopped getting colds.

>

> Ed

> http://sobehealthy.com

>

>

> >

> > I'm using my wife email address to post this. I

> have been living with

> > the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date

> will be the 21 st of

> > this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids

> virus they gave me

> less

> > than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there

> was no medical help

> > for us. At the time we or friends have tried many

> expermental drug

> > treatments. Today i can say for the longest time

> my counts were off

> the

> > charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have

> farther today with

> > new kinds of meds.

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Tavis,

First of all, if discussion of the etiology of AIDS bothers you, I

don't think this is a group for you. Who cares if HIV causes AIDS or

not? Are you for real? What drugs are you on?

From what I've seen, your observations about being diagnosed with HIV

eventually getting sick are true for those who believe in the virus

and follow the medical advice, HOWEVER, my personal experience and

observations over the past 20 years is that this is not the case for

those who have examined the evidence, realize that HIV/AIDS is either

a medical blunder or an outright hoax, and stay away from medical

doctors who treat HIV.

Add to this the hundreds of thousands who have had " the virus " for 20

years or more and still don't know it, and it's pretty obvious that

the virus only works if you know you have it and you believe in it.

Since the beginning of time until now, about a million americans

total, have been found or assumed to be " HIV+. "

Less than that have died. The only " millions " claimed to have died

of AIDS are third worlders and that AIDS doesn't require HIV, HIV

testing, or have anything in common with the US military definition

of AIDS. No, those people weren't killed by meds. They died from

malnutrition and polluted water.

Ed

http://sobehealthy.com

> > >

> > > I'm using my wife email address to post this. I

> > have been living with

> > > the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date

> > will be the 21 st of

> > > this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids

> > virus they gave me

> > less

> > > than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there

> > was no medical help

> > > for us. At the time we or friends have tried many

> > expermental drug

> > > treatments. Today i can say for the longest time

> > my counts were off

> > the

> > > charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have

> > farther today with

> > > new kinds of meds.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Tavis,

First of all, if discussion of the etiology of AIDS bothers you, I

don't think this is a group for you. Who cares if HIV causes AIDS or

not? Are you for real? What drugs are you on?

From what I've seen, your observations about being diagnosed with HIV

eventually getting sick are true for those who believe in the virus

and follow the medical advice, HOWEVER, my personal experience and

observations over the past 20 years is that this is not the case for

those who have examined the evidence, realize that HIV/AIDS is either

a medical blunder or an outright hoax, and stay away from medical

doctors who treat HIV.

Add to this the hundreds of thousands who have had " the virus " for 20

years or more and still don't know it, and it's pretty obvious that

the virus only works if you know you have it and you believe in it.

Since the beginning of time until now, about a million americans

total, have been found or assumed to be " HIV+. "

Less than that have died. The only " millions " claimed to have died

of AIDS are third worlders and that AIDS doesn't require HIV, HIV

testing, or have anything in common with the US military definition

of AIDS. No, those people weren't killed by meds. They died from

malnutrition and polluted water.

Ed

http://sobehealthy.com

> > >

> > > I'm using my wife email address to post this. I

> > have been living with

> > > the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date

> > will be the 21 st of

> > > this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids

> > virus they gave me

> > less

> > > than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there

> > was no medical help

> > > for us. At the time we or friends have tried many

> > expermental drug

> > > treatments. Today i can say for the longest time

> > my counts were off

> > the

> > > charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have

> > farther today with

> > > new kinds of meds.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

I think you stretched just a little bit of what I

was saying. No, it does not bother me if people

believe or don't believe whether or not HIV causes

AIDS. My emphasis was on the fact that people who are

diagnosed with HIV seem to eventually end up with a

suppressed immune system and get very sick. You think

it's just because they believed in it? I do believe

in the power of the mind over the body. I don't trust

doctors, that's why I am NOT on ANY drugs and I was

diagnosed HIV+ in Nov. of 2006. Honestly, I am at a

point where I don't know who to trust. You have a

bunch of people who claim that they have or know of

alternative therapies that can stop the virus, but

then again some of them are just as bad as the doctors

with their lies.

I'm giving alternative therapies a chance right now

and hopefully I will find something that truthfully

works. There are so many scams out there that take

advantage of desperate people. I had a cousin die of

AIDS a few years ago and to my knowledge, he was not

receiving treatment for it. I've heard people say bad

things about the HIV drugs, and I've heard good things

about them. I don't know...everyone is different and

everyone's bodies are different. The " virus " doesn't

affect everyone the same. I have no way of telling

who actually lives longer: people with HIV and refuse

drugs or people with HIV that take the drugs. I only

hear of stories and opinions on the internet. I don't

know, what am I missing? They say that the drugs are

helping people live a longer life. Why do they say

that? Were people dying faster without them?

Tavis

--- <aidsisover@...> wrote:

> Tavis,

>

> First of all, if discussion of the etiology of AIDS

> bothers you, I

> don't think this is a group for you. Who cares if

> HIV causes AIDS or

> not? Are you for real? What drugs are you on?

>

> From what I've seen, your observations about being

> diagnosed with HIV

> eventually getting sick are true for those who

> believe in the virus

> and follow the medical advice, HOWEVER, my personal

> experience and

> observations over the past 20 years is that this is

> not the case for

> those who have examined the evidence, realize that

> HIV/AIDS is either

> a medical blunder or an outright hoax, and stay away

> from medical

> doctors who treat HIV.

>

> Add to this the hundreds of thousands who have had

> " the virus " for 20

> years or more and still don't know it, and it's

> pretty obvious that

> the virus only works if you know you have it and you

> believe in it.

>

> Since the beginning of time until now, about a

> million americans

> total, have been found or assumed to be " HIV+. "

> Less than that have died. The only " millions "

> claimed to have died

> of AIDS are third worlders and that AIDS doesn't

> require HIV, HIV

> testing, or have anything in common with the US

> military definition

> of AIDS. No, those people weren't killed by meds.

> They died from

> malnutrition and polluted water.

>

> Ed

> http://sobehealthy.com

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I'm using my wife email address to post this.

> I

> > > have been living with

> > > > the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy

> date

> > > will be the 21 st of

> > > > this month. When i was diagonesed with the

> Aids

> > > virus they gave me

> > > less

> > > > than 6 months to a year to live. Back then

> there

> > > was no medical help

> > > > for us. At the time we or friends have tried

> many

> > > expermental drug

> > > > treatments. Today i can say for the longest

> time

> > > my counts were off

> > > the

> > > > charts and now im undectable. Thank god they

> have

> > > farther today with

> > > > new kinds of meds.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

,

I think you stretched just a little bit of what I

was saying. No, it does not bother me if people

believe or don't believe whether or not HIV causes

AIDS. My emphasis was on the fact that people who are

diagnosed with HIV seem to eventually end up with a

suppressed immune system and get very sick. You think

it's just because they believed in it? I do believe

in the power of the mind over the body. I don't trust

doctors, that's why I am NOT on ANY drugs and I was

diagnosed HIV+ in Nov. of 2006. Honestly, I am at a

point where I don't know who to trust. You have a

bunch of people who claim that they have or know of

alternative therapies that can stop the virus, but

then again some of them are just as bad as the doctors

with their lies.

I'm giving alternative therapies a chance right now

and hopefully I will find something that truthfully

works. There are so many scams out there that take

advantage of desperate people. I had a cousin die of

AIDS a few years ago and to my knowledge, he was not

receiving treatment for it. I've heard people say bad

things about the HIV drugs, and I've heard good things

about them. I don't know...everyone is different and

everyone's bodies are different. The " virus " doesn't

affect everyone the same. I have no way of telling

who actually lives longer: people with HIV and refuse

drugs or people with HIV that take the drugs. I only

hear of stories and opinions on the internet. I don't

know, what am I missing? They say that the drugs are

helping people live a longer life. Why do they say

that? Were people dying faster without them?

Tavis

--- <aidsisover@...> wrote:

> Tavis,

>

> First of all, if discussion of the etiology of AIDS

> bothers you, I

> don't think this is a group for you. Who cares if

> HIV causes AIDS or

> not? Are you for real? What drugs are you on?

>

> From what I've seen, your observations about being

> diagnosed with HIV

> eventually getting sick are true for those who

> believe in the virus

> and follow the medical advice, HOWEVER, my personal

> experience and

> observations over the past 20 years is that this is

> not the case for

> those who have examined the evidence, realize that

> HIV/AIDS is either

> a medical blunder or an outright hoax, and stay away

> from medical

> doctors who treat HIV.

>

> Add to this the hundreds of thousands who have had

> " the virus " for 20

> years or more and still don't know it, and it's

> pretty obvious that

> the virus only works if you know you have it and you

> believe in it.

>

> Since the beginning of time until now, about a

> million americans

> total, have been found or assumed to be " HIV+. "

> Less than that have died. The only " millions "

> claimed to have died

> of AIDS are third worlders and that AIDS doesn't

> require HIV, HIV

> testing, or have anything in common with the US

> military definition

> of AIDS. No, those people weren't killed by meds.

> They died from

> malnutrition and polluted water.

>

> Ed

> http://sobehealthy.com

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I'm using my wife email address to post this.

> I

> > > have been living with

> > > > the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy

> date

> > > will be the 21 st of

> > > > this month. When i was diagonesed with the

> Aids

> > > virus they gave me

> > > less

> > > > than 6 months to a year to live. Back then

> there

> > > was no medical help

> > > > for us. At the time we or friends have tried

> many

> > > expermental drug

> > > > treatments. Today i can say for the longest

> time

> > > my counts were off

> > > the

> > > > charts and now im undectable. Thank god they

> have

> > > farther today with

> > > > new kinds of meds.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> I'm using my wife email address to post this. I have been living with

> the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date will be the 21 st of

> this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids virus they gave me

less

> than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there was no medical help

> for us. At the time we or friends have tried many expermental drug

> treatments. Today i can say for the longest time my counts were off

the

> charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have farther today with

> new kinds of meds.

>

so what meds are you on and what side effects do you suffer from/

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm using my wife email address to post this. I have been living with

> the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date will be the 21 st of

> this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids virus they gave me

less

> than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there was no medical help

> for us. At the time we or friends have tried many expermental drug

> treatments. Today i can say for the longest time my counts were off

the

> charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have farther today with

> new kinds of meds.

>

so what meds are you on and what side effects do you suffer from/

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I'm using my wife email address to post this. I have been living

with

> > the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date will be the 21

st of

> > this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids virus they gave

me

> less

> > than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there was no medical

help

> > for us. At the time we or friends have tried many expermental

drug

> > treatments. Today i can say for the longest time my counts were

off

> the

> > charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have farther today

with

> > new kinds of meds.

> >

>so what have you done to stay healthy

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I'm using my wife email address to post this. I have been living

with

> > the Aids virus for over 27yrs, my anniversy date will be the 21

st of

> > this month. When i was diagonesed with the Aids virus they gave

me

> less

> > than 6 months to a year to live. Back then there was no medical

help

> > for us. At the time we or friends have tried many expermental

drug

> > treatments. Today i can say for the longest time my counts were

off

> the

> > charts and now im undectable. Thank god they have farther today

with

> > new kinds of meds.

> >

>so what have you done to stay healthy