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Now that, is a great post!

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From: cures for AIDS [mailto:cures for AIDS ] On Behalf

Of

Sent: December-30-06 7:03 PM19:03

cures for AIDS

Subject: Re: Alternative Treatment beside medication

Hi Orinnoco,

I found your posting very interesting, and, while I don't agree with

anything you are doing, I am glad you at least had the luck to reject

your doctor's advice -- which has more to do with your retaining your

health than any of the crazy things you are doing in the name

of " treating HIV. "

An increase in CD4 cells is not a sign of improved health, but rather

a body-initiated response to an increase in toxins in the blood.

Anyone who has taken a course in human physiology (i.e., everyone in

the medical " profession, " ) should know this. This fact was further

affirmed in major orthodox AIDS research from the early 90's which

coearly concluded that t-cells were " not a valid surrogate marker for

health or disease progression in AIDS. "

As to " viral load, " the major findings announced at the recent

orthodox AIDS conference in Canada was that, after a decade of

studies, it appeared that viral load was only an accurate indicator

in 5% of the cases! Of course anyone who has examined the AIDS hoax

with scientific scrutiny (i.e., AIDS Dissidents) has known this all

along. We saw " HIV-negative " people with viral loads. We also turned

to the world's foremost authority, the scientist who won the Nobel

Prize in Chemistry for the technology being called the viral load

test, Dr. Kary Mullis, who called it a " viral load of crap. "

If you tested " positive " on a test for antibodies, it means you are

immune to whatever-it-is the medical quacks are calling " HIV. " It

doesn't mean you have a frightening infection. The only thing

infected is your mind -- with misinformation. As long as you

continue under these misconceptions, you are right, you don't dare

dream of being 100% cured. The only cure for lies is the truth.

Ed

http://sobehealthy.com

>

> Hi Jenn,

>

> I read about your posting. While I am unsure what other treatments

> there may be for HIV besides medication, I can inform you of what I

> am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

>

> I am infected exactly one year ago during the Christmas period. My

> doctor wanted me to start on medication as my CD4 was below 200.

> However, I rejected that & decided to look for alternative methods.

>

> I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor Bob Beck, which

> involves electrifying the blood, magnetic pulsing on lymphatic

nodes,

> drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on a daily basis.

Three

> months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

>

> Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an anti-viral

supplement)

> which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

>

> For the past six months, I have been undergoing Polyatomic

Apheresis

> treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized & cleansed with

ozone

> outside my body before returning to my body. While at home, I am

> doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily basis.

>

> What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved tremedously & my

> Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3, an immune-modulator

&

> Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus gland).

>

> So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare to dream of getting

> myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope other than medication

> which will only lead to a downward spiral.

>

> I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to all who are

> searching for alternative ways to fighting this frightening

> infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one of our surest bet

to

> fight this infection. There may be a lot of people who do not

believe

> in its efficacy, including my doctor. But eventually, I know ozone

&

> beck's protocol works.

>

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Now that, is a great post!

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

(Professor Ozone) Jovanovic

www.ozoneuniversity.com

<http://us.f309.mail./ym/www.ozoneuniversity.com>

www.ozonehospital.com

<http://us.f309.mail./ym/www.ozonehospital.com>

www.oxygentherapyexperts.com

<http://us.f309.mail./ym/www.oxygentherapyexperts.com>

www.medicalozone.info

<http://us.f309.mail./ym/www.medicalozone.info>

Phone - +1-604-501-6051

Phone US - +1-760-208-1692

Fax - +1-604-501-6051 Call First

Ozone Research Group

Founder

Skype ID - ozoneresearch

ID - humansafe2001

Group Owner - oxyzone

Secure E-Mail- ozoneresearch@...

Without prejudice to the generality of the contents herein, this

communication does not attach any legal liability on the originator thereof.

This communication contains information, which is confidential and may also

be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If

you have received this communication by error, please delete the email and

destroy any copies of it.

From: cures for AIDS [mailto:cures for AIDS ] On Behalf

Of

Sent: December-30-06 7:03 PM19:03

cures for AIDS

Subject: Re: Alternative Treatment beside medication

Hi Orinnoco,

I found your posting very interesting, and, while I don't agree with

anything you are doing, I am glad you at least had the luck to reject

your doctor's advice -- which has more to do with your retaining your

health than any of the crazy things you are doing in the name

of " treating HIV. "

An increase in CD4 cells is not a sign of improved health, but rather

a body-initiated response to an increase in toxins in the blood.

Anyone who has taken a course in human physiology (i.e., everyone in

the medical " profession, " ) should know this. This fact was further

affirmed in major orthodox AIDS research from the early 90's which

coearly concluded that t-cells were " not a valid surrogate marker for

health or disease progression in AIDS. "

As to " viral load, " the major findings announced at the recent

orthodox AIDS conference in Canada was that, after a decade of

studies, it appeared that viral load was only an accurate indicator

in 5% of the cases! Of course anyone who has examined the AIDS hoax

with scientific scrutiny (i.e., AIDS Dissidents) has known this all

along. We saw " HIV-negative " people with viral loads. We also turned

to the world's foremost authority, the scientist who won the Nobel

Prize in Chemistry for the technology being called the viral load

test, Dr. Kary Mullis, who called it a " viral load of crap. "

If you tested " positive " on a test for antibodies, it means you are

immune to whatever-it-is the medical quacks are calling " HIV. " It

doesn't mean you have a frightening infection. The only thing

infected is your mind -- with misinformation. As long as you

continue under these misconceptions, you are right, you don't dare

dream of being 100% cured. The only cure for lies is the truth.

Ed

http://sobehealthy.com

>

> Hi Jenn,

>

> I read about your posting. While I am unsure what other treatments

> there may be for HIV besides medication, I can inform you of what I

> am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

>

> I am infected exactly one year ago during the Christmas period. My

> doctor wanted me to start on medication as my CD4 was below 200.

> However, I rejected that & decided to look for alternative methods.

>

> I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor Bob Beck, which

> involves electrifying the blood, magnetic pulsing on lymphatic

nodes,

> drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on a daily basis.

Three

> months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

>

> Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an anti-viral

supplement)

> which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

>

> For the past six months, I have been undergoing Polyatomic

Apheresis

> treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized & cleansed with

ozone

> outside my body before returning to my body. While at home, I am

> doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily basis.

>

> What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved tremedously & my

> Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3, an immune-modulator

&

> Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus gland).

>

> So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare to dream of getting

> myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope other than medication

> which will only lead to a downward spiral.

>

> I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to all who are

> searching for alternative ways to fighting this frightening

> infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one of our surest bet

to

> fight this infection. There may be a lot of people who do not

believe

> in its efficacy, including my doctor. But eventually, I know ozone

&

> beck's protocol works.

>

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I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for 3 years CD4 counts were

always in the 350/400 range.

About a year ago I decided after extensive reading, and seeing the condition

of some of my friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on meds, that it

was time to forget about my body being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

Cheers

orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

Hi,

As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or not, it is not a

concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting to exhibit all the

classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS is a myth is not

going to help me at all!

Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person on earth who can

" cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when I am experiencing

the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in being politically

correct or whatsoever.

Among the various modalities I have tried, I must say that ozone

therapy has helped me the most. This has been verified by my skeptical

medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I am doing. When

anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is definitely not

doing enough research.

My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the same predicament as

me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it works for others or

not, it is up to the individuals to make their own informed decision.

But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce other possible

alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that vital information.

Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been following my

condition for the past year & have seen results which can be verified

by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to the millions who

are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a real threat.

> >

> > Hi Jenn,

> >

> > I read about your posting. While I am unsure what other treatments

> > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can inform you of what I

> > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> >

> > I am infected exactly one year ago during the Christmas period. My

> > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my CD4 was below 200.

> > However, I rejected that & decided to look for alternative methods.

> >

> > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor Bob Beck, which

> > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic pulsing on lymphatic

> nodes,

> > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on a daily basis.

> Three

> > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> >

> > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an anti-viral

> supplement)

> > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> >

> > For the past six months, I have been undergoing Polyatomic

> Apheresis

> > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized & cleansed with

> ozone

> > outside my body before returning to my body. While at home, I am

> > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily basis.

> >

> > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved tremedously & my

> > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3, an immune-modulator

> &

> > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus gland).

> >

> > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare to dream of getting

> > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope other than medication

> > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> >

> > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to all who are

> > searching for alternative ways to fighting this frightening

> > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one of our surest bet

> to

> > fight this infection. There may be a lot of people who do not

> believe

> > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But eventually, I know ozone

> &

> > beck's protocol works.

> >

>

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I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for 3 years CD4 counts were

always in the 350/400 range.

About a year ago I decided after extensive reading, and seeing the condition

of some of my friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on meds, that it

was time to forget about my body being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

Cheers

orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

Hi,

As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or not, it is not a

concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting to exhibit all the

classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS is a myth is not

going to help me at all!

Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person on earth who can

" cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when I am experiencing

the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in being politically

correct or whatsoever.

Among the various modalities I have tried, I must say that ozone

therapy has helped me the most. This has been verified by my skeptical

medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I am doing. When

anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is definitely not

doing enough research.

My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the same predicament as

me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it works for others or

not, it is up to the individuals to make their own informed decision.

But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce other possible

alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that vital information.

Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been following my

condition for the past year & have seen results which can be verified

by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to the millions who

are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a real threat.

> >

> > Hi Jenn,

> >

> > I read about your posting. While I am unsure what other treatments

> > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can inform you of what I

> > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> >

> > I am infected exactly one year ago during the Christmas period. My

> > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my CD4 was below 200.

> > However, I rejected that & decided to look for alternative methods.

> >

> > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor Bob Beck, which

> > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic pulsing on lymphatic

> nodes,

> > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on a daily basis.

> Three

> > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> >

> > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an anti-viral

> supplement)

> > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> >

> > For the past six months, I have been undergoing Polyatomic

> Apheresis

> > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized & cleansed with

> ozone

> > outside my body before returning to my body. While at home, I am

> > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily basis.

> >

> > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved tremedously & my

> > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3, an immune-modulator

> &

> > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus gland).

> >

> > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare to dream of getting

> > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope other than medication

> > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> >

> > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to all who are

> > searching for alternative ways to fighting this frightening

> > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one of our surest bet

> to

> > fight this infection. There may be a lot of people who do not

> believe

> > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But eventually, I know ozone

> &

> > beck's protocol works.

> >

>

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,

you forgot to mention that you were able to raise your

CD4 level with the help of glyconutrients so you were

still concerned about a possible virus and with good

reasons.

I am also against meds but don't rule them out

completely in last resort.

I just started on Glycolync, hopefully it will help

raise my CD4s.

I also recently received some Indian medicine but

stopped taking it after 2 weeks because of suspect

side effects that make me believe that the ayurvedic

could be mixed with anti-retroviral drugs.

I am waiting for a reply from the supplier. If anyone

tried these herbs http://www.aidscureherbal.com/ ,

please share your experience and or results.

Thanks

Sylvain

--- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

> I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for

> 3 years CD4 counts were always in the 350/400 range.

> About a year ago I decided after extensive

> reading, and seeing the condition of some of my

> friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on

> meds, that it was time to forget about my body

> being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

> positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

> Cheers

>

>

>

>

>

>

> orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or

> not, it is not a

> concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting

> to exhibit all the

> classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS

> is a myth is not

> going to help me at all!

>

> Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person

> on earth who can

> " cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when

> I am experiencing

> the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in

> being politically

> correct or whatsoever.

>

> Among the various modalities I have tried, I must

> say that ozone

> therapy has helped me the most. This has been

> verified by my skeptical

> medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I

> am doing. When

> anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is

> definitely not

> doing enough research.

>

> My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the

> same predicament as

> me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it

> works for others or

> not, it is up to the individuals to make their own

> informed decision.

> But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce

> other possible

> alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that

> vital information.

>

> Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been

> following my

> condition for the past year & have seen results

> which can be verified

> by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

>

> Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to

> the millions who

> are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a

> real threat.

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi Jenn,

> > >

> > > I read about your posting. While I am unsure

> what other treatments

> > > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can

> inform you of what I

> > > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> > >

> > > I am infected exactly one year ago during the

> Christmas period. My

> > > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my

> CD4 was below 200.

> > > However, I rejected that & decided to look for

> alternative methods.

> > >

> > > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor

> Bob Beck, which

> > > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic

> pulsing on lymphatic

> > nodes,

> > > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on

> a daily basis.

> > Three

> > > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> > >

> > > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an

> anti-viral

> > supplement)

> > > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> > >

> > > For the past six months, I have been undergoing

> Polyatomic

> > Apheresis

> > > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized

> & cleansed with

> > ozone

> > > outside my body before returning to my body.

> While at home, I am

> > > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily

> basis.

> > >

> > > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved

> tremedously & my

> > > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3,

> an immune-modulator

> > &

> > > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus

> gland).

> > >

> > > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare

> to dream of getting

> > > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope

> other than medication

> > > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> > >

> > > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to

> all who are

> > > searching for alternative ways to fighting this

> frightening

> > > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one

> of our surest bet

> > to

> > > fight this infection. There may be a lot of

> people who do not

> > believe

> > > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But

> eventually,

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Sylvain Gagnon

www.sylvaingagnon.net

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you forgot to mention that you were able to raise your

CD4 level with the help of glyconutrients so you were

still concerned about a possible virus and with good

reasons.

I am also against meds but don't rule them out

completely in last resort.

I just started on Glycolync, hopefully it will help

raise my CD4s.

I also recently received some Indian medicine but

stopped taking it after 2 weeks because of suspect

side effects that make me believe that the ayurvedic

could be mixed with anti-retroviral drugs.

I am waiting for a reply from the supplier. If anyone

tried these herbs http://www.aidscureherbal.com/ ,

please share your experience and or results.

Thanks

Sylvain

--- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

> I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for

> 3 years CD4 counts were always in the 350/400 range.

> About a year ago I decided after extensive

> reading, and seeing the condition of some of my

> friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on

> meds, that it was time to forget about my body

> being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

> positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

> Cheers

>

>

>

>

>

>

> orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or

> not, it is not a

> concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting

> to exhibit all the

> classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS

> is a myth is not

> going to help me at all!

>

> Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person

> on earth who can

> " cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when

> I am experiencing

> the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in

> being politically

> correct or whatsoever.

>

> Among the various modalities I have tried, I must

> say that ozone

> therapy has helped me the most. This has been

> verified by my skeptical

> medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I

> am doing. When

> anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is

> definitely not

> doing enough research.

>

> My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the

> same predicament as

> me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it

> works for others or

> not, it is up to the individuals to make their own

> informed decision.

> But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce

> other possible

> alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that

> vital information.

>

> Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been

> following my

> condition for the past year & have seen results

> which can be verified

> by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

>

> Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to

> the millions who

> are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a

> real threat.

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi Jenn,

> > >

> > > I read about your posting. While I am unsure

> what other treatments

> > > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can

> inform you of what I

> > > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> > >

> > > I am infected exactly one year ago during the

> Christmas period. My

> > > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my

> CD4 was below 200.

> > > However, I rejected that & decided to look for

> alternative methods.

> > >

> > > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor

> Bob Beck, which

> > > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic

> pulsing on lymphatic

> > nodes,

> > > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on

> a daily basis.

> > Three

> > > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> > >

> > > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an

> anti-viral

> > supplement)

> > > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> > >

> > > For the past six months, I have been undergoing

> Polyatomic

> > Apheresis

> > > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized

> & cleansed with

> > ozone

> > > outside my body before returning to my body.

> While at home, I am

> > > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily

> basis.

> > >

> > > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved

> tremedously & my

> > > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3,

> an immune-modulator

> > &

> > > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus

> gland).

> > >

> > > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare

> to dream of getting

> > > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope

> other than medication

> > > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> > >

> > > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to

> all who are

> > > searching for alternative ways to fighting this

> frightening

> > > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one

> of our surest bet

> > to

> > > fight this infection. There may be a lot of

> people who do not

> > believe

> > > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But

> eventually,

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Sylvain Gagnon

www.sylvaingagnon.net

info@...

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The point I was making is that Orinnoco feels so long as his cd4 count is

declining, then he can't even consider that aid$ is a myth.

Hiv/aids is a death sentence all be it a slow one, when first diagnosed, the

mental effect cannot be over emphasised.

To be convinced its a hoax is the most powerful thing you can do for your

health, regardless of cd4 numbers.

The reason I do rebounding, take a multivitaman, drink herb teas, and take

glyconutrients, is because Im interested in health, trying to kill hiv, does not

enter my mind.

Cheers.

ps. I like the Glycomannan product for glyconutrients..

Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> wrote:

,

you forgot to mention that you were able to raise your

CD4 level with the help of glyconutrients so you were

still concerned about a possible virus and with good

reasons.

I am also against meds but don't rule them out

completely in last resort.

I just started on Glycolync, hopefully it will help

raise my CD4s.

I also recently received some Indian medicine but

stopped taking it after 2 weeks because of suspect

side effects that make me believe that the ayurvedic

could be mixed with anti-retroviral drugs.

I am waiting for a reply from the supplier. If anyone

tried these herbs http://www.aidscureherbal.com/ ,

please share your experience and or results.

Thanks

Sylvain

--- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

> I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for

> 3 years CD4 counts were always in the 350/400 range.

> About a year ago I decided after extensive

> reading, and seeing the condition of some of my

> friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on

> meds, that it was time to forget about my body

> being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

> positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

> Cheers

>

>

>

>

>

>

> orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or

> not, it is not a

> concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting

> to exhibit all the

> classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS

> is a myth is not

> going to help me at all!

>

> Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person

> on earth who can

> " cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when

> I am experiencing

> the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in

> being politically

> correct or whatsoever.

>

> Among the various modalities I have tried, I must

> say that ozone

> therapy has helped me the most. This has been

> verified by my skeptical

> medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I

> am doing. When

> anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is

> definitely not

> doing enough research.

>

> My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the

> same predicament as

> me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it

> works for others or

> not, it is up to the individuals to make their own

> informed decision.

> But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce

> other possible

> alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that

> vital information.

>

> Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been

> following my

> condition for the past year & have seen results

> which can be verified

> by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

>

> Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to

> the millions who

> are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a

> real threat.

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi Jenn,

> > >

> > > I read about your posting. While I am unsure

> what other treatments

> > > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can

> inform you of what I

> > > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> > >

> > > I am infected exactly one year ago during the

> Christmas period. My

> > > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my

> CD4 was below 200.

> > > However, I rejected that & decided to look for

> alternative methods.

> > >

> > > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor

> Bob Beck, which

> > > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic

> pulsing on lymphatic

> > nodes,

> > > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on

> a daily basis.

> > Three

> > > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> > >

> > > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an

> anti-viral

> > supplement)

> > > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> > >

> > > For the past six months, I have been undergoing

> Polyatomic

> > Apheresis

> > > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized

> & cleansed with

> > ozone

> > > outside my body before returning to my body.

> While at home, I am

> > > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily

> basis.

> > >

> > > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved

> tremedously & my

> > > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3,

> an immune-modulator

> > &

> > > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus

> gland).

> > >

> > > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare

> to dream of getting

> > > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope

> other than medication

> > > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> > >

> > > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to

> all who are

> > > searching for alternative ways to fighting this

> frightening

> > > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one

> of our surest bet

> > to

> > > fight this infection. There may be a lot of

> people who do not

> > believe

> > > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But

> eventually,

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The point I was making is that Orinnoco feels so long as his cd4 count is

declining, then he can't even consider that aid$ is a myth.

Hiv/aids is a death sentence all be it a slow one, when first diagnosed, the

mental effect cannot be over emphasised.

To be convinced its a hoax is the most powerful thing you can do for your

health, regardless of cd4 numbers.

The reason I do rebounding, take a multivitaman, drink herb teas, and take

glyconutrients, is because Im interested in health, trying to kill hiv, does not

enter my mind.

Cheers.

ps. I like the Glycomannan product for glyconutrients..

Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> wrote:

,

you forgot to mention that you were able to raise your

CD4 level with the help of glyconutrients so you were

still concerned about a possible virus and with good

reasons.

I am also against meds but don't rule them out

completely in last resort.

I just started on Glycolync, hopefully it will help

raise my CD4s.

I also recently received some Indian medicine but

stopped taking it after 2 weeks because of suspect

side effects that make me believe that the ayurvedic

could be mixed with anti-retroviral drugs.

I am waiting for a reply from the supplier. If anyone

tried these herbs http://www.aidscureherbal.com/ ,

please share your experience and or results.

Thanks

Sylvain

--- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

> I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for

> 3 years CD4 counts were always in the 350/400 range.

> About a year ago I decided after extensive

> reading, and seeing the condition of some of my

> friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on

> meds, that it was time to forget about my body

> being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

> positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

> Cheers

>

>

>

>

>

>

> orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or

> not, it is not a

> concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting

> to exhibit all the

> classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS

> is a myth is not

> going to help me at all!

>

> Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person

> on earth who can

> " cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when

> I am experiencing

> the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in

> being politically

> correct or whatsoever.

>

> Among the various modalities I have tried, I must

> say that ozone

> therapy has helped me the most. This has been

> verified by my skeptical

> medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I

> am doing. When

> anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is

> definitely not

> doing enough research.

>

> My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the

> same predicament as

> me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it

> works for others or

> not, it is up to the individuals to make their own

> informed decision.

> But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce

> other possible

> alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that

> vital information.

>

> Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been

> following my

> condition for the past year & have seen results

> which can be verified

> by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

>

> Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to

> the millions who

> are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a

> real threat.

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi Jenn,

> > >

> > > I read about your posting. While I am unsure

> what other treatments

> > > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can

> inform you of what I

> > > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> > >

> > > I am infected exactly one year ago during the

> Christmas period. My

> > > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my

> CD4 was below 200.

> > > However, I rejected that & decided to look for

> alternative methods.

> > >

> > > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor

> Bob Beck, which

> > > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic

> pulsing on lymphatic

> > nodes,

> > > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on

> a daily basis.

> > Three

> > > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> > >

> > > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an

> anti-viral

> > supplement)

> > > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> > >

> > > For the past six months, I have been undergoing

> Polyatomic

> > Apheresis

> > > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized

> & cleansed with

> > ozone

> > > outside my body before returning to my body.

> While at home, I am

> > > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily

> basis.

> > >

> > > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved

> tremedously & my

> > > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3,

> an immune-modulator

> > &

> > > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus

> gland).

> > >

> > > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare

> to dream of getting

> > > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope

> other than medication

> > > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> > >

> > > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to

> all who are

> > > searching for alternative ways to fighting this

> frightening

> > > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one

> of our surest bet

> > to

> > > fight this infection. There may be a lot of

> people who do not

> > believe

> > > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But

> eventually,

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, I think that you are doing the right thing for

your health but I am not convinced at all that

HIV-AIDS is a myth, especially after considering

Maggiore's experience that was recently put

to light by Mercury.

Sylvain

--- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

> The point I was making is that Orinnoco feels so

> long as his cd4 count is declining, then he can't

> even consider that aid$ is a myth.

> Hiv/aids is a death sentence all be it a slow one,

> when first diagnosed, the mental effect cannot be

> over emphasised.

> To be convinced its a hoax is the most powerful

> thing you can do for your health, regardless of cd4

> numbers.

> The reason I do rebounding, take a multivitaman,

> drink herb teas, and take glyconutrients, is because

> Im interested in health, trying to kill hiv, does

> not enter my mind.

> Cheers.

>

> ps. I like the Glycomannan product for

> glyconutrients..

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> wrote:

> ,

> you forgot to mention that you were able to raise

> your

> CD4 level with the help of glyconutrients so you

> were

> still concerned about a possible virus and with good

> reasons.

> I am also against meds but don't rule them out

> completely in last resort.

> I just started on Glycolync, hopefully it will help

> raise my CD4s.

> I also recently received some Indian medicine but

> stopped taking it after 2 weeks because of suspect

> side effects that make me believe that the ayurvedic

> could be mixed with anti-retroviral drugs.

> I am waiting for a reply from the supplier. If

> anyone

> tried these herbs http://www.aidscureherbal.com/ ,

> please share your experience and or results.

> Thanks

> Sylvain

>

> --- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

>

> > I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols,

> for

> > 3 years CD4 counts were always in the 350/400

> range.

> > About a year ago I decided after extensive

> > reading, and seeing the condition of some of my

> > friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not

> on

> > meds, that it was time to forget about my body

> > being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

> > positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

> > Cheers

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or

> > not, it is not a

> > concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am

> starting

> > to exhibit all the

> > classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that

> AIDS

> > is a myth is not

> > going to help me at all!

> >

> > Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique "

> person

> > on earth who can

> > " cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But

> when

> > I am experiencing

> > the signs of failing health, I am really not keen

> in

> > being politically

> > correct or whatsoever.

> >

> > Among the various modalities I have tried, I must

> > say that ozone

> > therapy has helped me the most. This has been

> > verified by my skeptical

> > medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what

> I

> > am doing. When

> > anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is

> > definitely not

> > doing enough research.

> >

> > My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the

> > same predicament as

> > me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it

> > works for others or

> > not, it is up to the individuals to make their own

> > informed decision.

> > But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce

> > other possible

> > alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that

> > vital information.

> >

> > Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been

> > following my

> > condition for the past year & have seen results

> > which can be verified

> > by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

> >

> > Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter

> to

> > the millions who

> > are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is

> a

> > real threat.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Orinnoco,

> > >

> > > I found your posting very interesting, and,

> while

> > I don't agree with

> > > anything you are doing, I am glad you at least

> had

> > the luck to reject

> > > your doctor's advice -- which has more to do

> with

> > your retaining your

> > > health than any of the crazy things you are

> doing

> > in the name

> > > of " treating HIV. "

> > >

> > > An increase in CD4 cells is not a sign of

> improved

> > health, but rather

> > > a body-initiated response to an increase in

> toxins

> > in the blood.

> > > Anyone who has taken a course in human

> physiology

> > (i.e., everyone in

> > > the medical " profession, " ) should know this.

> This

> > fact was further

> > > affirmed in major orthodox AIDS research from

> the

> > early 90's which

> > > coearly concluded that t-cells were " not a valid

> > surrogate marker for

> > > health or disease progression in AIDS. "

> > >

> > > As to " viral load, " the major findings announced

> > at the recent

> > > orthodox AIDS conference in Canada was that,

> after

> > a decade of

> > > studies, it appeared that viral load was only an

> > accurate indicator

> > > in 5% of the cases! Of course anyone who has

> > examined the AIDS hoax

> > > with scientific scrutiny (i.e., AIDS Dissidents)

> > has known this all

> > > along. We saw " HIV-negative " people with viral

> > loads. We also turned

> > > to the world's foremost authority, the scientist

> > who won the Nobel

> > > Prize in Chemistry for the technology being

> called

> > the viral load

> > > test, Dr. Kary Mullis, who called it a " viral

> load

> > of crap. "

> > >

> > > If you tested " positive " on a test for

> antibodies,

> > it means you are

> > > immune to whatever-it-is the medical quacks are

> > calling " HIV. " It

> > > doesn't mean you have a frightening infection.

> The

> > only thing

> > > infected is your mind -- with misinformation. As

> > long as you

> > > continue under these misconceptions, you are

> > right, you don't dare

> > > dream of being 100% cured. The only cure for

> lies

> > is the truth.

>

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, I think that you are doing the right thing for

your health but I am not convinced at all that

HIV-AIDS is a myth, especially after considering

Maggiore's experience that was recently put

to light by Mercury.

Sylvain

--- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

> The point I was making is that Orinnoco feels so

> long as his cd4 count is declining, then he can't

> even consider that aid$ is a myth.

> Hiv/aids is a death sentence all be it a slow one,

> when first diagnosed, the mental effect cannot be

> over emphasised.

> To be convinced its a hoax is the most powerful

> thing you can do for your health, regardless of cd4

> numbers.

> The reason I do rebounding, take a multivitaman,

> drink herb teas, and take glyconutrients, is because

> Im interested in health, trying to kill hiv, does

> not enter my mind.

> Cheers.

>

> ps. I like the Glycomannan product for

> glyconutrients..

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> wrote:

> ,

> you forgot to mention that you were able to raise

> your

> CD4 level with the help of glyconutrients so you

> were

> still concerned about a possible virus and with good

> reasons.

> I am also against meds but don't rule them out

> completely in last resort.

> I just started on Glycolync, hopefully it will help

> raise my CD4s.

> I also recently received some Indian medicine but

> stopped taking it after 2 weeks because of suspect

> side effects that make me believe that the ayurvedic

> could be mixed with anti-retroviral drugs.

> I am waiting for a reply from the supplier. If

> anyone

> tried these herbs http://www.aidscureherbal.com/ ,

> please share your experience and or results.

> Thanks

> Sylvain

>

> --- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

>

> > I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols,

> for

> > 3 years CD4 counts were always in the 350/400

> range.

> > About a year ago I decided after extensive

> > reading, and seeing the condition of some of my

> > friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not

> on

> > meds, that it was time to forget about my body

> > being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

> > positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

> > Cheers

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or

> > not, it is not a

> > concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am

> starting

> > to exhibit all the

> > classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that

> AIDS

> > is a myth is not

> > going to help me at all!

> >

> > Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique "

> person

> > on earth who can

> > " cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But

> when

> > I am experiencing

> > the signs of failing health, I am really not keen

> in

> > being politically

> > correct or whatsoever.

> >

> > Among the various modalities I have tried, I must

> > say that ozone

> > therapy has helped me the most. This has been

> > verified by my skeptical

> > medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what

> I

> > am doing. When

> > anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is

> > definitely not

> > doing enough research.

> >

> > My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the

> > same predicament as

> > me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it

> > works for others or

> > not, it is up to the individuals to make their own

> > informed decision.

> > But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce

> > other possible

> > alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that

> > vital information.

> >

> > Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been

> > following my

> > condition for the past year & have seen results

> > which can be verified

> > by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

> >

> > Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter

> to

> > the millions who

> > are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is

> a

> > real threat.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Orinnoco,

> > >

> > > I found your posting very interesting, and,

> while

> > I don't agree with

> > > anything you are doing, I am glad you at least

> had

> > the luck to reject

> > > your doctor's advice -- which has more to do

> with

> > your retaining your

> > > health than any of the crazy things you are

> doing

> > in the name

> > > of " treating HIV. "

> > >

> > > An increase in CD4 cells is not a sign of

> improved

> > health, but rather

> > > a body-initiated response to an increase in

> toxins

> > in the blood.

> > > Anyone who has taken a course in human

> physiology

> > (i.e., everyone in

> > > the medical " profession, " ) should know this.

> This

> > fact was further

> > > affirmed in major orthodox AIDS research from

> the

> > early 90's which

> > > coearly concluded that t-cells were " not a valid

> > surrogate marker for

> > > health or disease progression in AIDS. "

> > >

> > > As to " viral load, " the major findings announced

> > at the recent

> > > orthodox AIDS conference in Canada was that,

> after

> > a decade of

> > > studies, it appeared that viral load was only an

> > accurate indicator

> > > in 5% of the cases! Of course anyone who has

> > examined the AIDS hoax

> > > with scientific scrutiny (i.e., AIDS Dissidents)

> > has known this all

> > > along. We saw " HIV-negative " people with viral

> > loads. We also turned

> > > to the world's foremost authority, the scientist

> > who won the Nobel

> > > Prize in Chemistry for the technology being

> called

> > the viral load

> > > test, Dr. Kary Mullis, who called it a " viral

> load

> > of crap. "

> > >

> > > If you tested " positive " on a test for

> antibodies,

> > it means you are

> > > immune to whatever-it-is the medical quacks are

> > calling " HIV. " It

> > > doesn't mean you have a frightening infection.

> The

> > only thing

> > > infected is your mind -- with misinformation. As

> > long as you

> > > continue under these misconceptions, you are

> > right, you don't dare

> > > dream of being 100% cured. The only cure for

> lies

> > is the truth.

>

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Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> wrote: , I think that you are

doing the right thing for

your health but I am not convinced at all that

HIV-AIDS is a myth, especially after considering

Maggiore's experience that was recently put

to light by Mercury.

Sylvain

--- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

> The point I was making is that Orinnoco feels so

> long as his cd4 count is declining, then he can't

> even consider that aid$ is a myth.

> Hiv/aids is a death sentence all be it a slow one,

> when first diagnosed, the mental effect cannot be

> over emphasised.

> To be convinced its a hoax is the most powerful

> thing you can do for your health, regardless of cd4

> numbers.

> The reason I do rebounding, take a multivitaman,

> drink herb teas, and take glyconutrients, is because

> Im interested in health, trying to kill hiv, does

> not enter my mind.

> Cheers.

>

> ps. I like the Glycomannan product for

> glyconutrients..

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> wrote:

> ,

> you forgot to mention that you were able to raise

> your

> CD4 level with the help of glyconutrients so you

> were

> still concerned about a possible virus and with good

> reasons.

> I am also against meds but don't rule them out

> completely in last resort.

> I just started on Glycolync, hopefully it will help

> raise my CD4s.

> I also recently received some Indian medicine but

> stopped taking it after 2 weeks because of suspect

> side effects that make me believe that the ayurvedic

> could be mixed with anti-retroviral drugs.

> I am waiting for a reply from the supplier. If

> anyone

> tried these herbs http://www.aidscureherbal.com/ ,

> please share your experience and or results.

> Thanks

> Sylvain

>

> --- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

>

> > I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols,

> for

> > 3 years CD4 counts were always in the 350/400

> range.

> > About a year ago I decided after extensive

> > reading, and seeing the condition of some of my

> > friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not

> on

> > meds, that it was time to forget about my body

> > being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

> > positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

> > Cheers

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or

> > not, it is not a

> > concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am

> starting

> > to exhibit all the

> > classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that

> AIDS

> > is a myth is not

> > going to help me at all!

> >

> > Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique "

> person

> > on earth who can

> > " cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But

> when

> > I am experiencing

> > the signs of failing health, I am really not keen

> in

> > being politically

> > correct or whatsoever.

> >

> > Among the various modalities I have tried, I must

> > say that ozone

> > therapy has helped me the most. This has been

> > verified by my skeptical

> > medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what

> I

> > am doing. When

> > anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is

> > definitely not

> > doing enough research.

> >

> > My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the

> > same predicament as

> > me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it

> > works for others or

> > not, it is up to the individuals to make their own

> > informed decision.

> > But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce

> > other possible

> > alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that

> > vital information.

> >

> > Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been

> > following my

> > condition for the past year & have seen results

> > which can be verified

> > by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

> >

> > Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter

> to

> > the millions who

> > are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is

> a

> > real threat.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Orinnoco,

> > >

> > > I found your posting very interesting, and,

> while

> > I don't agree with

> > > anything you are doing, I am glad you at least

> had

> > the luck to reject

> > > your doctor's advice -- which has more to do

> with

> > your retaining your

> > > health than any of the crazy things you are

> doing

> > in the name

> > > of " treating HIV. "

> > >

> > > An increase in CD4 cells is not a sign of

> improved

> > health, but rather

> > > a body-initiated response to an increase in

> toxins

> > in the blood.

> > > Anyone who has taken a course in human

> physiology

> > (i.e., everyone in

> > > the medical " profession, " ) should know this.

> This

> > fact was further

> > > affirmed in major orthodox AIDS research from

> the

> > early 90's which

> > > coearly concluded that t-cells were " not a valid

> > surrogate marker for

> > > health or disease progression in AIDS. "

> > >

> > > As to " viral load, " the major findings announced

> > at the recent

> > > orthodox AIDS conference in Canada was that,

> after

> > a decade of

> > > studies, it appeared that viral load was only an

> > accurate indicator

> > > in 5% of the cases! Of course anyone who has

> > examined the AIDS hoax

> > > with scientific scrutiny (i.e., AIDS Dissidents)

> > has known this all

> > > along. We saw " HIV-negative " people with viral

> > loads. We also turned

> > > to the world's foremost authority, the scientist

> > who won the Nobel

> > > Prize in Chemistry for the technology being

> called

> > the viral load

> > > test, Dr. Kary Mullis, who called it a " viral

> load

> > of crap. "

> > >

> > > If you tested " positive " on a test for

> antibodies,

> > it means you are

> > > immune to whatever-it-is the medical quacks are

> > calling " HIV. " It

> > > doesn't mean you have a frightening infection.

> The

> > only thing

> > > infected is your mind -- with misinformation. As

> > long as you

> > > continue under these misconceptions, you are

> > right, you don't dare

> > > dream of being 100% cured. The only cure for

> lies

> > is the truth.

>

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Direct iv ozone therapy fixes Aids. Check out www.ozoneuniversity.com for more

info.

Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> wrote: , I think that you are

doing the right thing for

your health but I am not convinced at all that

HIV-AIDS is a myth, especially after considering

Maggiore's experience that was recently put

to light by Mercury.

Sylvain

--- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

> The point I was making is that Orinnoco feels so

> long as his cd4 count is declining, then he can't

> even consider that aid$ is a myth.

> Hiv/aids is a death sentence all be it a slow one,

> when first diagnosed, the mental effect cannot be

> over emphasised.

> To be convinced its a hoax is the most powerful

> thing you can do for your health, regardless of cd4

> numbers.

> The reason I do rebounding, take a multivitaman,

> drink herb teas, and take glyconutrients, is because

> Im interested in health, trying to kill hiv, does

> not enter my mind.

> Cheers.

>

> ps. I like the Glycomannan product for

> glyconutrients..

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> wrote:

> ,

> you forgot to mention that you were able to raise

> your

> CD4 level with the help of glyconutrients so you

> were

> still concerned about a possible virus and with good

> reasons.

> I am also against meds but don't rule them out

> completely in last resort.

> I just started on Glycolync, hopefully it will help

> raise my CD4s.

> I also recently received some Indian medicine but

> stopped taking it after 2 weeks because of suspect

> side effects that make me believe that the ayurvedic

> could be mixed with anti-retroviral drugs.

> I am waiting for a reply from the supplier. If

> anyone

> tried these herbs http://www.aidscureherbal.com/ ,

> please share your experience and or results.

> Thanks

> Sylvain

>

> --- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

>

> > I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols,

> for

> > 3 years CD4 counts were always in the 350/400

> range.

> > About a year ago I decided after extensive

> > reading, and seeing the condition of some of my

> > friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not

> on

> > meds, that it was time to forget about my body

> > being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

> > positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

> > Cheers

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or

> > not, it is not a

> > concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am

> starting

> > to exhibit all the

> > classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that

> AIDS

> > is a myth is not

> > going to help me at all!

> >

> > Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique "

> person

> > on earth who can

> > " cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But

> when

> > I am experiencing

> > the signs of failing health, I am really not keen

> in

> > being politically

> > correct or whatsoever.

> >

> > Among the various modalities I have tried, I must

> > say that ozone

> > therapy has helped me the most. This has been

> > verified by my skeptical

> > medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what

> I

> > am doing. When

> > anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is

> > definitely not

> > doing enough research.

> >

> > My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the

> > same predicament as

> > me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it

> > works for others or

> > not, it is up to the individuals to make their own

> > informed decision.

> > But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce

> > other possible

> > alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that

> > vital information.

> >

> > Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been

> > following my

> > condition for the past year & have seen results

> > which can be verified

> > by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

> >

> > Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter

> to

> > the millions who

> > are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is

> a

> > real threat.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Orinnoco,

> > >

> > > I found your posting very interesting, and,

> while

> > I don't agree with

> > > anything you are doing, I am glad you at least

> had

> > the luck to reject

> > > your doctor's advice -- which has more to do

> with

> > your retaining your

> > > health than any of the crazy things you are

> doing

> > in the name

> > > of " treating HIV. "

> > >

> > > An increase in CD4 cells is not a sign of

> improved

> > health, but rather

> > > a body-initiated response to an increase in

> toxins

> > in the blood.

> > > Anyone who has taken a course in human

> physiology

> > (i.e., everyone in

> > > the medical " profession, " ) should know this.

> This

> > fact was further

> > > affirmed in major orthodox AIDS research from

> the

> > early 90's which

> > > coearly concluded that t-cells were " not a valid

> > surrogate marker for

> > > health or disease progression in AIDS. "

> > >

> > > As to " viral load, " the major findings announced

> > at the recent

> > > orthodox AIDS conference in Canada was that,

> after

> > a decade of

> > > studies, it appeared that viral load was only an

> > accurate indicator

> > > in 5% of the cases! Of course anyone who has

> > examined the AIDS hoax

> > > with scientific scrutiny (i.e., AIDS Dissidents)

> > has known this all

> > > along. We saw " HIV-negative " people with viral

> > loads. We also turned

> > > to the world's foremost authority, the scientist

> > who won the Nobel

> > > Prize in Chemistry for the technology being

> called

> > the viral load

> > > test, Dr. Kary Mullis, who called it a " viral

> load

> > of crap. "

> > >

> > > If you tested " positive " on a test for

> antibodies,

> > it means you are

> > > immune to whatever-it-is the medical quacks are

> > calling " HIV. " It

> > > doesn't mean you have a frightening infection.

> The

> > only thing

> > > infected is your mind -- with misinformation. As

> > long as you

> > > continue under these misconceptions, you are

> > right, you don't dare

> > > dream of being 100% cured. The only cure for

> lies

> > is the truth.

>

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is toxic if not used in the right manner....

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From: cures for AIDS [mailto:cures for AIDS ] On Behalf

Of

Sent: January-06-07 6:56 PM18:56

cures for AIDS

Subject: Re: Alternative Treatment beside medication

Sylvain,

Could you please give some scientific evidence for raising t-cells

being a sign of good health? Every study ever done confirms what

anyone with a medical education should have known in the first place -

- t-cells are not a valid surrogate marker for health or disease

progression in AIDS. Very healthy people have very low counts. Very

sick people have very high counts -- unless their thymus glands have

been destroyed, as was the case with the first 1% of AIDS victims.

Anyone who believes in counting t-cells is already in trouble. What I

see happening to these people is when their t-cell counts go down and

they believe it is the virus destroying their immune system, their

belief system makes them sick. Almost any toxic substance (and many

of the so-called holistic treatments, including ozone, are toxic)

will raise your t-cell count. Black Flag, Combat and Raid are a lot

less expensive than pharmaceutical poisons, which have a markup in

excess of 20,000%. Of course, eventually, these things will destroy

the thymus, the bone marrow and other important parts of the body and

then the t-cell count will go down, along with the victim's health.

Ed

Since the AIDS meds are all based on an invalid theory, and they are

all highly toxic -- the most toxic drugs ever given to humans -- and

all are immunosuppressive, I am opposed to them and any treatment

for " HIV " 100%.

> > > >

> > > > Hi Jenn,

> > > >

> > > > I read about your posting. While I am unsure

> > what other treatments

> > > > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can

> > inform you of what I

> > > > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> > > >

> > > > I am infected exactly one year ago during the

> > Christmas period. My

> > > > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my

> > CD4 was below 200.

> > > > However, I rejected that & decided to look for

> > alternative methods.

> > > >

> > > > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor

> > Bob Beck, which

> > > > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic

> > pulsing on lymphatic

> > > nodes,

> > > > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on

> > a daily basis.

> > > Three

> > > > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> > > >

> > > > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an

> > anti-viral

> > > supplement)

> > > > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> > > >

> > > > For the past six months, I have been undergoing

> > Polyatomic

> > > Apheresis

> > > > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized

> > & cleansed with

> > > ozone

> > > > outside my body before returning to my body.

> > While at home, I am

> > > > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily

> > basis.

> > > >

> > > > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved

> > tremedously & my

> > > > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3,

> > an immune-modulator

> > > &

> > > > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus

> > gland).

> > > >

> > > > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare

> > to dream of getting

> > > > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope

> > other than medication

> > > > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> > > >

> > > > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to

> > all who are

> > > > searching for alternative ways to fighting this

> > frightening

> > > > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one

> > of our surest bet

> > > to

> > > > fight this infection. There may be a lot of

> > people who do not

> > > believe

> > > > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But

> > eventually,

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> Musically yours,

> Sylvain Gagnon

> www.sylvaingagnon.net

> info@...

>

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Well Ed, I was with you until you said ozone was toxic, you should say ozone

is toxic if not used in the right manner....

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

(Professor Ozone) Jovanovic

www.ozoneuniversity.com

<http://us.f309.mail./ym/www.ozoneuniversity.com>

www.ozonehospital.com

<http://us.f309.mail./ym/www.ozonehospital.com>

www.oxygentherapyexperts.com

<http://us.f309.mail./ym/www.oxygentherapyexperts.com>

www.medicalozone.info

<http://us.f309.mail./ym/www.medicalozone.info>

Phone - +1-604-501-6051

Phone US - +1-760-208-1692

Fax - +1-604-501-6051 Call First

Ozone Research Group

Founder

Skype ID - ozoneresearch

ID - humansafe2001

Group Owner - oxyzone

Secure E-Mail- ozoneresearch@...

Without prejudice to the generality of the contents herein, this

communication does not attach any legal liability on the originator thereof.

This communication contains information, which is confidential and may also

be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If

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From: cures for AIDS [mailto:cures for AIDS ] On Behalf

Of

Sent: January-06-07 6:56 PM18:56

cures for AIDS

Subject: Re: Alternative Treatment beside medication

Sylvain,

Could you please give some scientific evidence for raising t-cells

being a sign of good health? Every study ever done confirms what

anyone with a medical education should have known in the first place -

- t-cells are not a valid surrogate marker for health or disease

progression in AIDS. Very healthy people have very low counts. Very

sick people have very high counts -- unless their thymus glands have

been destroyed, as was the case with the first 1% of AIDS victims.

Anyone who believes in counting t-cells is already in trouble. What I

see happening to these people is when their t-cell counts go down and

they believe it is the virus destroying their immune system, their

belief system makes them sick. Almost any toxic substance (and many

of the so-called holistic treatments, including ozone, are toxic)

will raise your t-cell count. Black Flag, Combat and Raid are a lot

less expensive than pharmaceutical poisons, which have a markup in

excess of 20,000%. Of course, eventually, these things will destroy

the thymus, the bone marrow and other important parts of the body and

then the t-cell count will go down, along with the victim's health.

Ed

Since the AIDS meds are all based on an invalid theory, and they are

all highly toxic -- the most toxic drugs ever given to humans -- and

all are immunosuppressive, I am opposed to them and any treatment

for " HIV " 100%.

> > > >

> > > > Hi Jenn,

> > > >

> > > > I read about your posting. While I am unsure

> > what other treatments

> > > > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can

> > inform you of what I

> > > > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> > > >

> > > > I am infected exactly one year ago during the

> > Christmas period. My

> > > > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my

> > CD4 was below 200.

> > > > However, I rejected that & decided to look for

> > alternative methods.

> > > >

> > > > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor

> > Bob Beck, which

> > > > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic

> > pulsing on lymphatic

> > > nodes,

> > > > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on

> > a daily basis.

> > > Three

> > > > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> > > >

> > > > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an

> > anti-viral

> > > supplement)

> > > > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> > > >

> > > > For the past six months, I have been undergoing

> > Polyatomic

> > > Apheresis

> > > > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized

> > & cleansed with

> > > ozone

> > > > outside my body before returning to my body.

> > While at home, I am

> > > > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily

> > basis.

> > > >

> > > > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved

> > tremedously & my

> > > > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3,

> > an immune-modulator

> > > &

> > > > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus

> > gland).

> > > >

> > > > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare

> > to dream of getting

> > > > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope

> > other than medication

> > > > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> > > >

> > > > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to

> > all who are

> > > > searching for alternative ways to fighting this

> > frightening

> > > > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one

> > of our surest bet

> > > to

> > > > fight this infection. There may be a lot of

> > people who do not

> > > believe

> > > > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But

> > eventually,

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> Musically yours,

> Sylvain Gagnon

> www.sylvaingagnon.net

> info@...

>

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When you say, healthy people have a lower count of

CD4, how many are these? Under 200? or in the normal

range 450-1200? Is it a well known fact that HIV

affected people have their CD4 going down until they

get sick if they don't take care of their health. You

and me are taking care of our health, even though my

CD4s went down from 485 2 years ago to 193 today.

Please show me a study that confirms what you are

saying. Ozone is not toxic at all and very safe if

used according to correct protocols. Ozone is known to

unclog blood but of course if someone injects himself

with a concentration higher than 23mg/ml and faster

than 2cc per minute, it might not be safe anymore.

Ozone is the treatment with the safest record in

Germany where they used it over 10million treatments

during the last 50 years. Do some research on it.

Live long and healthy!

Sylvain

--- <aidsisover@...> wrote:

> Sylvain,

>

> Could you please give some scientific evidence for

> raising t-cells

> being a sign of good health? Every study ever done

> confirms what

> anyone with a medical education should have known in

> the first place -

> - t-cells are not a valid surrogate marker for

> health or disease

> progression in AIDS. Very healthy people have very

> low counts. Very

> sick people have very high counts -- unless their

> thymus glands have

> been destroyed, as was the case with the first 1% of

> AIDS victims.

>

> Anyone who believes in counting t-cells is already

> in trouble. What I

> see happening to these people is when their t-cell

> counts go down and

> they believe it is the virus destroying their immune

> system, their

> belief system makes them sick. Almost any toxic

> substance (and many

> of the so-called holistic treatments, including

> ozone, are toxic)

> will raise your t-cell count. Black Flag, Combat

> and Raid are a lot

> less expensive than pharmaceutical poisons, which

> have a markup in

> excess of 20,000%. Of course, eventually, these

> things will destroy

> the thymus, the bone marrow and other important

> parts of the body and

> then the t-cell count will go down, along with the

> victim's health.

>

> Ed

>

> Since the AIDS meds are all based on an invalid

> theory, and they are

> all highly toxic -- the most toxic drugs ever given

> to humans -- and

> all are immunosuppressive, I am opposed to them and

> any treatment

> for " HIV " 100%.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi Orinnoco,

> > > >

> > > > I found your posting very interesting, and,

> while

> > > I don't agree with

> > > > anything you are doing, I am glad you at least

> had

> > > the luck to reject

> > > > your doctor's advice -- which has more to do

> with

> > > your retaining your

> > > > health than any of the crazy things you are

> doing

> > > in the name

> > > > of " treating HIV. "

> > > >

> > > > An increase in CD4 cells is not a sign of

> improved

> > > health, but rather

> > > > a body-initiated response to an increase in

> toxins

> > > in the blood.

> > > > Anyone who has taken a course in human

> physiology

> > > (i.e., everyone in

> > > > the medical " profession, " ) should know this.

> This

> > > fact was further

> > > > affirmed in major orthodox AIDS research from

> the

> > > early 90's which

> > > > coearly concluded that t-cells were " not a

> valid

> > > surrogate marker for

>

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When you say, healthy people have a lower count of

CD4, how many are these? Under 200? or in the normal

range 450-1200? Is it a well known fact that HIV

affected people have their CD4 going down until they

get sick if they don't take care of their health. You

and me are taking care of our health, even though my

CD4s went down from 485 2 years ago to 193 today.

Please show me a study that confirms what you are

saying. Ozone is not toxic at all and very safe if

used according to correct protocols. Ozone is known to

unclog blood but of course if someone injects himself

with a concentration higher than 23mg/ml and faster

than 2cc per minute, it might not be safe anymore.

Ozone is the treatment with the safest record in

Germany where they used it over 10million treatments

during the last 50 years. Do some research on it.

Live long and healthy!

Sylvain

--- <aidsisover@...> wrote:

> Sylvain,

>

> Could you please give some scientific evidence for

> raising t-cells

> being a sign of good health? Every study ever done

> confirms what

> anyone with a medical education should have known in

> the first place -

> - t-cells are not a valid surrogate marker for

> health or disease

> progression in AIDS. Very healthy people have very

> low counts. Very

> sick people have very high counts -- unless their

> thymus glands have

> been destroyed, as was the case with the first 1% of

> AIDS victims.

>

> Anyone who believes in counting t-cells is already

> in trouble. What I

> see happening to these people is when their t-cell

> counts go down and

> they believe it is the virus destroying their immune

> system, their

> belief system makes them sick. Almost any toxic

> substance (and many

> of the so-called holistic treatments, including

> ozone, are toxic)

> will raise your t-cell count. Black Flag, Combat

> and Raid are a lot

> less expensive than pharmaceutical poisons, which

> have a markup in

> excess of 20,000%. Of course, eventually, these

> things will destroy

> the thymus, the bone marrow and other important

> parts of the body and

> then the t-cell count will go down, along with the

> victim's health.

>

> Ed

>

> Since the AIDS meds are all based on an invalid

> theory, and they are

> all highly toxic -- the most toxic drugs ever given

> to humans -- and

> all are immunosuppressive, I am opposed to them and

> any treatment

> for " HIV " 100%.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi Orinnoco,

> > > >

> > > > I found your posting very interesting, and,

> while

> > > I don't agree with

> > > > anything you are doing, I am glad you at least

> had

> > > the luck to reject

> > > > your doctor's advice -- which has more to do

> with

> > > your retaining your

> > > > health than any of the crazy things you are

> doing

> > > in the name

> > > > of " treating HIV. "

> > > >

> > > > An increase in CD4 cells is not a sign of

> improved

> > > health, but rather

> > > > a body-initiated response to an increase in

> toxins

> > > in the blood.

> > > > Anyone who has taken a course in human

> physiology

> > > (i.e., everyone in

> > > > the medical " profession, " ) should know this.

> This

> > > fact was further

> > > > affirmed in major orthodox AIDS research from

> the

> > > early 90's which

> > > > coearly concluded that t-cells were " not a

> valid

> > > surrogate marker for

>

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,....did you find any difference with those on meds and those not on meds?

- as far as health goes.

paul

-- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for 3 years CD4 counts were

always in the 350/400 range.

About a year ago I decided after extensive reading, and seeing the condition of

some of my friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on meds, that it

was time to forget about my body being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

Cheers

orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

Hi,

As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or not, it is not a

concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting to exhibit all the

classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS is a myth is not

going to help me at all!

Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person on earth who can

" cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when I am experiencing

the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in being politically

correct or whatsoever.

Among the various modalities I have tried, I must say that ozone

therapy has helped me the most. This has been verified by my skeptical

medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I am doing. When

anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is definitely not

doing enough research.

My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the same predicament as

me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it works for others or

not, it is up to the individuals to make their own informed decision.

But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce other possible

alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that vital information.

Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been following my

condition for the past year & have seen results which can be verified

by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to the millions who

are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a real threat.

> >

> > Hi Jenn,

> >

> > I read about your posting. While I am unsure what other treatments

> > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can inform you of what I

> > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> >

> > I am infected exactly one year ago during the Christmas period. My

> > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my CD4 was below 200.

> > However, I rejected that & decided to look for alternative methods.

> >

> > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor Bob Beck, which

> > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic pulsing on lymphatic

> nodes,

> > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on a daily basis.

> Three

> > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> >

> > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an anti-viral

> supplement)

> > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> >

> > For the past six months, I have been undergoing Polyatomic

> Apheresis

> > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized & cleansed with

> ozone

> > outside my body before returning to my body. While at home, I am

> > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily basis.

> >

> > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved tremedously & my

> > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3, an immune-modulator

> &

> > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus gland).

> >

> > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare to dream of getting

> > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope other than medication

> > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> >

> > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to all who are

> > searching for alternative ways to fighting this frightening

> > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one of our surest bet

> to

> > fight this infection. There may be a lot of people who do not

> believe

> > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But eventually, I know ozone

> &

> > beck's protocol works.

> >

>

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,....did you find any difference with those on meds and those not on meds?

- as far as health goes.

paul

-- peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote:

I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for 3 years CD4 counts were

always in the 350/400 range.

About a year ago I decided after extensive reading, and seeing the condition of

some of my friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on meds, that it

was time to forget about my body being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

Cheers

orinnoco_nobilis <officinalis@...> wrote:

Hi,

As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or not, it is not a

concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting to exhibit all the

classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS is a myth is not

going to help me at all!

Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person on earth who can

" cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when I am experiencing

the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in being politically

correct or whatsoever.

Among the various modalities I have tried, I must say that ozone

therapy has helped me the most. This has been verified by my skeptical

medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I am doing. When

anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is definitely not

doing enough research.

My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the same predicament as

me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it works for others or

not, it is up to the individuals to make their own informed decision.

But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce other possible

alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that vital information.

Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been following my

condition for the past year & have seen results which can be verified

by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to the millions who

are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a real threat.

> >

> > Hi Jenn,

> >

> > I read about your posting. While I am unsure what other treatments

> > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can inform you of what I

> > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> >

> > I am infected exactly one year ago during the Christmas period. My

> > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my CD4 was below 200.

> > However, I rejected that & decided to look for alternative methods.

> >

> > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor Bob Beck, which

> > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic pulsing on lymphatic

> nodes,

> > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on a daily basis.

> Three

> > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> >

> > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an anti-viral

> supplement)

> > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> >

> > For the past six months, I have been undergoing Polyatomic

> Apheresis

> > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized & cleansed with

> ozone

> > outside my body before returning to my body. While at home, I am

> > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily basis.

> >

> > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved tremedously & my

> > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3, an immune-modulator

> &

> > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus gland).

> >

> > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare to dream of getting

> > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope other than medication

> > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> >

> > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to all who are

> > searching for alternative ways to fighting this frightening

> > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one of our surest bet

> to

> > fight this infection. There may be a lot of people who do not

> believe

> > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But eventually, I know ozone

> &

> > beck's protocol works.

> >

>

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... The two I know on meds both lack energy, Hiv controls their lives, one

wears diapers most of the time, their viral load is non- detectable, The state

of their liver and heart I can only imagine.

I do notice one non meds guy has quite severe finger and toe nail fungus

issues, but otherwise a picture of health, certainly has energy.

" freelightexpress@... " <freelightexpress@...> wrote:

,....did you find any difference with those on meds and those not on

meds? - as far as health goes.

paul

-- peter newman

wrote:

I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for 3 years CD4 counts were

always in the 350/400 range.

About a year ago I decided after extensive reading, and seeing the condition of

some of my friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on meds, that it

was time to forget about my body being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

Cheers

orinnoco_nobilis wrote:

Hi,

As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or not, it is not a

concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting to exhibit all the

classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS is a myth is not

going to help me at all!

Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person on earth who can

" cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when I am experiencing

the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in being politically

correct or whatsoever.

Among the various modalities I have tried, I must say that ozone

therapy has helped me the most. This has been verified by my skeptical

medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I am doing. When

anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is definitely not

doing enough research.

My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the same predicament as

me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it works for others or

not, it is up to the individuals to make their own informed decision.

But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce other possible

alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that vital information.

Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been following my

condition for the past year & have seen results which can be verified

by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to the millions who

are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a real threat.

> >

> > Hi Jenn,

> >

> > I read about your posting. While I am unsure what other treatments

> > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can inform you of what I

> > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> >

> > I am infected exactly one year ago during the Christmas period. My

> > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my CD4 was below 200.

> > However, I rejected that & decided to look for alternative methods.

> >

> > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor Bob Beck, which

> > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic pulsing on lymphatic

> nodes,

> > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on a daily basis.

> Three

> > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> >

> > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an anti-viral

> supplement)

> > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> >

> > For the past six months, I have been undergoing Polyatomic

> Apheresis

> > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized & cleansed with

> ozone

> > outside my body before returning to my body. While at home, I am

> > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily basis.

> >

> > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved tremedously & my

> > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3, an immune-modulator

> &

> > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus gland).

> >

> > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare to dream of getting

> > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope other than medication

> > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> >

> > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to all who are

> > searching for alternative ways to fighting this frightening

> > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one of our surest bet

> to

> > fight this infection. There may be a lot of people who do not

> believe

> > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But eventually, I know ozone

> &

> > beck's protocol works.

> >

>

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... The two I know on meds both lack energy, Hiv controls their lives, one

wears diapers most of the time, their viral load is non- detectable, The state

of their liver and heart I can only imagine.

I do notice one non meds guy has quite severe finger and toe nail fungus

issues, but otherwise a picture of health, certainly has energy.

" freelightexpress@... " <freelightexpress@...> wrote:

,....did you find any difference with those on meds and those not on

meds? - as far as health goes.

paul

-- peter newman

wrote:

I did ozone, Beck, and various other protocols, for 3 years CD4 counts were

always in the 350/400 range.

About a year ago I decided after extensive reading, and seeing the condition of

some of my friends who were on meds, as opposed to those not on meds, that it

was time to forget about my body being ravaged by a virus, and instead focus on

positive things, my last cd4 count was 950.

Cheers

orinnoco_nobilis wrote:

Hi,

As far as I am concerned, whether HIV is a hoax or not, it is not a

concern for me. If my CD4 is dropping & am starting to exhibit all the

classical symptoms of AIDS, telling myself that AIDS is a myth is not

going to help me at all!

Perhaps you might be one of the more " unique " person on earth who can

" cure " yourself of HIV tru " enlightenment " . But when I am experiencing

the signs of failing health, I am really not keen in being politically

correct or whatsoever.

Among the various modalities I have tried, I must say that ozone

therapy has helped me the most. This has been verified by my skeptical

medical doctor, who encouraged me to continue what I am doing. When

anyone says that ozone is a poison, that person is definitely not

doing enough research.

My purpose of sharing is to enable others in the same predicament as

me to have a wider choice & selection. Whether it works for others or

not, it is up to the individuals to make their own informed decision.

But I feel it is not right for anyone to denounce other possible

alternative treatments for HIV & to withold that vital information.

Last but not least, believe it or not, I have been following my

condition for the past year & have seen results which can be verified

by the medical tests I have taken in hospitals.

Whether AIDS is a hoax or not, it does not matter to the millions who

are dying around the world. To them & me, AIDS is a real threat.

> >

> > Hi Jenn,

> >

> > I read about your posting. While I am unsure what other treatments

> > there may be for HIV besides medication, I can inform you of what I

> > am doing for myself to treat my HIV infection.

> >

> > I am infected exactly one year ago during the Christmas period. My

> > doctor wanted me to start on medication as my CD4 was below 200.

> > However, I rejected that & decided to look for alternative methods.

> >

> > I found the Beck's Protocol by the late Doctor Bob Beck, which

> > involves electrifying the blood, magnetic pulsing on lymphatic

> nodes,

> > drinking of colloidal silver & ozonated water on a daily basis.

> Three

> > months into the protocol, my CD4 had improved.

> >

> > Shortly after, I found Olive Leaf Extract (an anti-viral

> supplement)

> > which further boosted my CD4 marginally.

> >

> > For the past six months, I have been undergoing Polyatomic

> Apheresis

> > treatments whereby my blood is being sterilized & cleansed with

> ozone

> > outside my body before returning to my body. While at home, I am

> > doing ozone rectal insufflations on a daily basis.

> >

> > What amazes me is that my CD4 has since improved tremedously & my

> > Viral Load is dropping! I am also taking MGN-3, an immune-modulator

> &

> > Pro-Protein-Plus (to stimulate the Thymus gland).

> >

> > So far, I am seeing good results but I dun dare to dream of getting

> > myself 100% cured but I believe there is hope other than medication

> > which will only lead to a downward spiral.

> >

> > I hope that this ibnformation would be useful to all who are

> > searching for alternative ways to fighting this frightening

> > infection. I believe that ozone treatment is one of our surest bet

> to

> > fight this infection. There may be a lot of people who do not

> believe

> > in its efficacy, including my doctor. But eventually, I know ozone

> &

> > beck's protocol works.

> >

>

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I put GSE(grapefruit seed extract) drops in my drinking water which does a

wonderful job of keeping candida levels and other nasty bugs in the system under

control. One of natures most powerful antiseptics.

paul

-- School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk@...> wrote:

I do notice one non meds guy has quite severe finger and toe nail fungus issues,

but otherwise a picture of health, certainly has energy.

---- One of the underlying issues with AIDS, a precursor even, is CANDIDA. And

toe and nail fungus are totally (admittedly unattractive) symptoms of candida.

This is documented in many natural books on AIDS/HIV and is worth investigating

if you have never heard of the topic (candida, that is).

Cheers!

a Albanese

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I put GSE(grapefruit seed extract) drops in my drinking water which does a

wonderful job of keeping candida levels and other nasty bugs in the system under

control. One of natures most powerful antiseptics.

paul

-- School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk@...> wrote:

I do notice one non meds guy has quite severe finger and toe nail fungus issues,

but otherwise a picture of health, certainly has energy.

---- One of the underlying issues with AIDS, a precursor even, is CANDIDA. And

toe and nail fungus are totally (admittedly unattractive) symptoms of candida.

This is documented in many natural books on AIDS/HIV and is worth investigating

if you have never heard of the topic (candida, that is).

Cheers!

a Albanese

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Certified Raw Chef, Raw Nutritionist and Health Coach

Advanced Practitioner of The Living Foods Lifestyle

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That's funny. I and at least 1000 other Rethinkers, who all happen to be

very intelligent, are quite convinced that HIV-AIDS is a myth.

Maggiore was intimidated by the system to medicate her child. The doctoring

killed Eliza Jane. It's quite clear that the reaction to the amoxophillan

(sp?)

was what killed her -- just one more victim of the doctors of doom who have

murdered millions of Americans in the time that AIDS claimed less than one

million.

_http://www.myspace.com/79705411_ (http://www.myspace.com/79705411)

In a message dated 1/11/2007 6:41:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

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Direct iv ozone therapy fixes Aids. Check out www.ozoneuniversityDirect iv

ozone the

Sylvain Gagnon <_happytype@..._ (mailto:happytype@...) > wrote:

, I think that you are doing the right thing for

your health but I am not convinced at all that

HIV-AIDS is a myth, especially after considering

Maggiore's experience that was recently put

to light by Mercury.

Sylvain

--- peter newman <_petenewman2004@petenewmape_

(mailto:petenewman2004@...) > wrote:

> The point I was making is that Orinnoco feels so

> long as his cd4 count is declining, then he can't

> even consider that aid$ is a myth.

> Hiv/aids is a death sentence all be it a slow one,

> when first diagnosed, the mental effect cannot be

> over emphasised.

> To be convinced its a hoax is the most powerful

> thing you can do for your health, regardless of cd4

> numbers.

> The reason I do rebounding, take a multivitaman,

> drink herb teas, and take glyconutrients, is because

> Im interested in health, trying to kill hiv, does

> not enter my mind.

> Cheers.

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That's funny. I and at least 1000 other Rethinkers, who all happen to be

very intelligent, are quite convinced that HIV-AIDS is a myth.

Maggiore was intimidated by the system to medicate her child. The doctoring

killed Eliza Jane. It's quite clear that the reaction to the amoxophillan

(sp?)

was what killed her -- just one more victim of the doctors of doom who have

murdered millions of Americans in the time that AIDS claimed less than one

million.

_http://www.myspace.com/79705411_ (http://www.myspace.com/79705411)

In a message dated 1/11/2007 6:41:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

howardrobins@... writes:

Direct iv ozone therapy fixes Aids. Check out www.ozoneuniversityDirect iv

ozone the

Sylvain Gagnon <_happytype@..._ (mailto:happytype@...) > wrote:

, I think that you are doing the right thing for

your health but I am not convinced at all that

HIV-AIDS is a myth, especially after considering

Maggiore's experience that was recently put

to light by Mercury.

Sylvain

--- peter newman <_petenewman2004@petenewmape_

(mailto:petenewman2004@...) > wrote:

> The point I was making is that Orinnoco feels so

> long as his cd4 count is declining, then he can't

> even consider that aid$ is a myth.

> Hiv/aids is a death sentence all be it a slow one,

> when first diagnosed, the mental effect cannot be

> over emphasised.

> To be convinced its a hoax is the most powerful

> thing you can do for your health, regardless of cd4

> numbers.

> The reason I do rebounding, take a multivitaman,

> drink herb teas, and take glyconutrients, is because

> Im interested in health, trying to kill hiv, does

> not enter my mind.

> Cheers.

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Any cases of people coming HIV- after being diagnosed positive?

On 1/11/07, aidsisover@... <aidsisover@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> That's funny. I and at least 1000 other Rethinkers, who all happen to be

> very intelligent, are quite convinced that HIV-AIDS is a myth.

> Maggiore was intimidated by the system to medicate her child. The

> doctoring

> killed Eliza Jane. It's quite clear that the reaction to the amoxophillan

> (sp?)

> was what killed her -- just one more victim of the doctors of doom who

> have

> murdered millions of Americans in the time that AIDS claimed less than one

>

> million.

>

>

> _http://www.myspace.com/79705411_ (http://www.myspace.com/79705411)

>

> In a message dated 1/11/2007 6:41:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> howardrobins@... <howardrobins%40verizon.net> writes:

>

> Direct iv ozone therapy fixes Aids. Check out www.ozoneuniversityDirect iv

>

> ozone the

>

> Sylvain Gagnon <_happytype@... <_happytype%40.hap>_ (mailto:

> happytype@... <happytype%40>) > wrote:

> , I think that you are doing the right thing for

> your health but I am not convinced at all that

> HIV-AIDS is a myth, especially after considering

> Maggiore's experience that was recently put

> to light by Mercury.

> Sylvain

> --- peter newman <_petenewman2004@petenewmape_

> (mailto:petenewman2004@... <petenewman2004%40.co.nz>) >

> wrote:

>

> > The point I was making is that Orinnoco feels so

> > long as his cd4 count is declining, then he can't

> > even consider that aid$ is a myth.

> > Hiv/aids is a death sentence all be it a slow one,

> > when first diagnosed, the mental effect cannot be

> > over emphasised.

> > To be convinced its a hoax is the most powerful

> > thing you can do for your health, regardless of cd4

> > numbers.

> > The reason I do rebounding, take a multivitaman,

> > drink herb teas, and take glyconutrients, is because

> > Im interested in health, trying to kill hiv, does

> > not enter my mind.

> > Cheers.

>

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