Yet another one cured by Tine.

[Guest guest]

No media keeps track of the successes of the Van der Maas approach and

its deliciously quick results. The latest is a family member of a well

known and influential politician, where the SOS came after the woman

was discharged from hospital to die at home. She had completed six

months of TB treatment, was on antiretrovirals and in a wheelchair.

When the Van der Maas' saw her for the first time her skin was grey,

her lips were white, her hair was fluffy and falling out. She was

extremely anaemic, with swollen glands, legs and feet. A rash covered

her face and black spots had broken out on her back and arms. She

complained of blindness, severe stomach ache, itchy skin, painful

hands and joints and a persistent dry cough. She could not stand

beyond a few short minutes. Since the Van Der Maas' do not treat

patients who on antiretrovirals, the first choice the woman had to

make was to stop taking them

Her treatment started on a Saturday three weeks ago - a full programme

of lemons, garlic and olive oil three times a day; a special tonic

comprised of grapefruit seed extract, micronutrients, vitamins and

antioxidants; Pronutro for selenium and zinc; ginger and beetroot. No

refined foods, no sugar, no red meat.

A day later, the woman reported feeling better. Within three days she

was able to read with no difficulty. After a week she felt well enough

to clean house. Three weeks after starting the programme, the rash has

disappeared, the black spots have faded, new healthy hair is growing

across the bald spots. The itchiness has gone. The woman, who had been

given three months paid sick leave pending retirement at the end of

June, wants to renegotiate her contract and return to work. When I was

given the opportunity to speak to her, the only signs of infection of

any kind was infectious laughter.

This woman's family is extremely well known and hugely respected in

this country and the bush telegraph is very effective in spreading

the good news of her recovery. Then remember she is but one of many

who have first hand experience of the Van der Maas pair's approach to

healing. There's an informal communications network active in South

Africa that is spreading the good news. Judging by the number of calls

the Van deer Maas' get for their advice and services it is growing.

Not a cent has been paid out on PR or advertising. No matter how

venomous the vilifications and lampooning, people are not being

misled. Just as in the darkest days of Apartheid, they are putting

their faith in what they know from personal experience, and leaders

who have earned trust and respect. Of course AIDS is curable.

[Guest guest]

No media keeps track of the successes of the Van der Maas approach and

its deliciously quick results. The latest is a family member of a well

known and influential politician, where the SOS came after the woman

was discharged from hospital to die at home. She had completed six

months of TB treatment, was on antiretrovirals and in a wheelchair.

When the Van der Maas' saw her for the first time her skin was grey,

her lips were white, her hair was fluffy and falling out. She was

extremely anaemic, with swollen glands, legs and feet. A rash covered

her face and black spots had broken out on her back and arms. She

complained of blindness, severe stomach ache, itchy skin, painful

hands and joints and a persistent dry cough. She could not stand

beyond a few short minutes. Since the Van Der Maas' do not treat

patients who on antiretrovirals, the first choice the woman had to

make was to stop taking them

Her treatment started on a Saturday three weeks ago - a full programme

of lemons, garlic and olive oil three times a day; a special tonic

comprised of grapefruit seed extract, micronutrients, vitamins and

antioxidants; Pronutro for selenium and zinc; ginger and beetroot. No

refined foods, no sugar, no red meat.

A day later, the woman reported feeling better. Within three days she

was able to read with no difficulty. After a week she felt well enough

to clean house. Three weeks after starting the programme, the rash has

disappeared, the black spots have faded, new healthy hair is growing

across the bald spots. The itchiness has gone. The woman, who had been

given three months paid sick leave pending retirement at the end of

June, wants to renegotiate her contract and return to work. When I was

given the opportunity to speak to her, the only signs of infection of

any kind was infectious laughter.

This woman's family is extremely well known and hugely respected in

this country and the bush telegraph is very effective in spreading

the good news of her recovery. Then remember she is but one of many

who have first hand experience of the Van der Maas pair's approach to

healing. There's an informal communications network active in South

Africa that is spreading the good news. Judging by the number of calls

the Van deer Maas' get for their advice and services it is growing.

Not a cent has been paid out on PR or advertising. No matter how

venomous the vilifications and lampooning, people are not being

misled. Just as in the darkest days of Apartheid, they are putting

their faith in what they know from personal experience, and leaders

who have earned trust and respect. Of course AIDS is curable.

[Guest guest]

>

> No media keeps track of the successes of the Van der Maas approach

> and its deliciously quick results.

Should the media be used to trumpet an anacdotal case of a woman with

a lot of non 'AIDS-defining' conditions including " white lips "

and " fluffy hair " with a non-specific rash, black spots, anemia,

severe stomach ache, painful hands and joints? Three weeks is hardly

enough time to tell anything. How do we know she didn't get better,

simply by following a healthy diet and getting off the TB and 'AIDS'

drugs? No controls in this one-woman study.

> The latest is a family member of a well known and influential

> politician, where the SOS came after the woman was discharged from

> hospital to die at home. She had completed six months of TB

> treatment, was on antiretrovirals and in a wheelchair.

> When the Van der Maas' saw her for the first time her skin was grey,

> her lips were white, her hair was fluffy and falling out. She was

> extremely anaemic, with swollen glands, legs and feet. A rash

> covered her face and black spots had broken out on her back and

> arms. She complained of blindness, severe stomach ache, itchy skin,

> painful hands and joints and a persistent dry cough. She could not

> stand beyond a few short minutes. Since the Van Der Maas' do not

> treat patients who on antiretrovirals, the first choice the woman

> had to make was to stop taking them.

And probably the most important thing she got her to do.

> Her treatment started on a Saturday three weeks ago - a full

> programme of lemons, garlic and olive oil three times a day; a

> special tonic comprised of grapefruit seed extract, micronutrients,

> vitamins and antioxidants; Pronutro for selenium and zinc; ginger

> and beetroot. No refined foods, no sugar, no red meat.

Sounds like a good supplement regimen and general diet. Is Tine

claiming to have discovered the healing properties of these

supplements or this diet program?

> A day later, the woman reported feeling better. Within three days

> she was able to read with no difficulty. After a week she felt well

> enough to clean house. Three weeks after starting the programme,

> the rash has disappeared, the black spots have faded, new healthy

> hair is growing across the bald spots. The itchiness has gone. The

> woman, who had been given three months paid sick leave pending

> retirement at the end of June, wants to renegotiate her contract

> and return to work. When I was given the opportunity to speak to

> her, the only signs of infection of any kind was infectious

> laughter.

That's wonderful that this woman recovered her health and that Tine,

inadvertantly at least, helped her do just that. However, the

question remains, did she recover from 'AIDS' and how did you

determine or measure this outcome?

> This woman's family is extremely well known and hugely respected in

> this country and the bush telegraph is very effective in spreading

> the good news of her recovery. Then remember she is but one of many

> who have first hand experience of the Van der Maas pair's approach

> to healing.

So they say. Where's the data?

> There's an informal communications network active in South Africa

> that is spreading the good news. Judging by the number of calls

> the Van deer Maas' get for their advice and services it is growing.

Dr. Rath Foundation made similiar claims and several of their

'walking testimonials' died and now they've left the country without

defending their claims in court.

> No matter how venomous the vilifications and lampooning, people are

> not being misled.

People are being misled if Tine et al. are claiming a 'cure-all' for

the 'catch-all' catagory called 'AIDS' which redefines 30 old illness

under a new name. I would like to know what Tine et al. are defining

as 'AIDS' then, if not by CD4 T-Cell depletion? And is that the

surrogate marker by which they are claiming to cure 'AIDS?' Also, you

didn't mention, though was this woman ever diagnosed officially

with 'AIDS' or just TB?

> Just as in the darkest days of Apartheid, they are putting their

> faith in what they know from personal experience, and leaders

> who have earned trust and respect.

Trust but verify. Answer these questions in a public forum.

> Of course AIDS is curable.

Of course? You still haven't defined what 'AIDS' is and how you

measured it was 'cured.' According to the AIDS Industry and

conventional pharmaceutically-based Medicine, which is who has

defined 'AIDS' there is no cure without sero-reversion of 'HIV'

antibody status. Or did you measure CD4 T-Cells or PCR " Viral Load " ?

If you are calling a generalized immune deficiency 'AIDS' and thus

created your own definition, why do you not at least make this

distinction?

Don't you and Tine infact reject that there is any such animal

as 'HIV'? And if 'AIDS' is no valid definition for diagnosis why do

you mislead the public in claiming the cure for it?

Healthfully and Hopefully,

Jon Landis

V I R U S M Y T H

http://forums.delphiforums.com/innocuous

[Guest guest]

>

> No media keeps track of the successes of the Van der Maas approach

> and its deliciously quick results.

Should the media be used to trumpet an anacdotal case of a woman with

a lot of non 'AIDS-defining' conditions including " white lips "

and " fluffy hair " with a non-specific rash, black spots, anemia,

severe stomach ache, painful hands and joints? Three weeks is hardly

enough time to tell anything. How do we know she didn't get better,

simply by following a healthy diet and getting off the TB and 'AIDS'

drugs? No controls in this one-woman study.

> The latest is a family member of a well known and influential

> politician, where the SOS came after the woman was discharged from

> hospital to die at home. She had completed six months of TB

> treatment, was on antiretrovirals and in a wheelchair.

> When the Van der Maas' saw her for the first time her skin was grey,

> her lips were white, her hair was fluffy and falling out. She was

> extremely anaemic, with swollen glands, legs and feet. A rash

> covered her face and black spots had broken out on her back and

> arms. She complained of blindness, severe stomach ache, itchy skin,

> painful hands and joints and a persistent dry cough. She could not

> stand beyond a few short minutes. Since the Van Der Maas' do not

> treat patients who on antiretrovirals, the first choice the woman

> had to make was to stop taking them.

And probably the most important thing she got her to do.

> Her treatment started on a Saturday three weeks ago - a full

> programme of lemons, garlic and olive oil three times a day; a

> special tonic comprised of grapefruit seed extract, micronutrients,

> vitamins and antioxidants; Pronutro for selenium and zinc; ginger

> and beetroot. No refined foods, no sugar, no red meat.

Sounds like a good supplement regimen and general diet. Is Tine

claiming to have discovered the healing properties of these

supplements or this diet program?

> A day later, the woman reported feeling better. Within three days

> she was able to read with no difficulty. After a week she felt well

> enough to clean house. Three weeks after starting the programme,

> the rash has disappeared, the black spots have faded, new healthy

> hair is growing across the bald spots. The itchiness has gone. The

> woman, who had been given three months paid sick leave pending

> retirement at the end of June, wants to renegotiate her contract

> and return to work. When I was given the opportunity to speak to

> her, the only signs of infection of any kind was infectious

> laughter.

That's wonderful that this woman recovered her health and that Tine,

inadvertantly at least, helped her do just that. However, the

question remains, did she recover from 'AIDS' and how did you

determine or measure this outcome?

> This woman's family is extremely well known and hugely respected in

> this country and the bush telegraph is very effective in spreading

> the good news of her recovery. Then remember she is but one of many

> who have first hand experience of the Van der Maas pair's approach

> to healing.

So they say. Where's the data?

> There's an informal communications network active in South Africa

> that is spreading the good news. Judging by the number of calls

> the Van deer Maas' get for their advice and services it is growing.

Dr. Rath Foundation made similiar claims and several of their

'walking testimonials' died and now they've left the country without

defending their claims in court.

> No matter how venomous the vilifications and lampooning, people are

> not being misled.

People are being misled if Tine et al. are claiming a 'cure-all' for

the 'catch-all' catagory called 'AIDS' which redefines 30 old illness

under a new name. I would like to know what Tine et al. are defining

as 'AIDS' then, if not by CD4 T-Cell depletion? And is that the

surrogate marker by which they are claiming to cure 'AIDS?' Also, you

didn't mention, though was this woman ever diagnosed officially

with 'AIDS' or just TB?

> Just as in the darkest days of Apartheid, they are putting their

> faith in what they know from personal experience, and leaders

> who have earned trust and respect.

Trust but verify. Answer these questions in a public forum.

> Of course AIDS is curable.

Of course? You still haven't defined what 'AIDS' is and how you

measured it was 'cured.' According to the AIDS Industry and

conventional pharmaceutically-based Medicine, which is who has

defined 'AIDS' there is no cure without sero-reversion of 'HIV'

antibody status. Or did you measure CD4 T-Cells or PCR " Viral Load " ?

If you are calling a generalized immune deficiency 'AIDS' and thus

created your own definition, why do you not at least make this

distinction?

Don't you and Tine infact reject that there is any such animal

as 'HIV'? And if 'AIDS' is no valid definition for diagnosis why do

you mislead the public in claiming the cure for it?

Healthfully and Hopefully,

Jon Landis

V I R U S M Y T H

http://forums.delphiforums.com/innocuous