Re: HIV POZ: Confused, Stressed, Overwhelmed & INFO Overload

[Guest guest]

>

> 1) I just recently found out that I was HIV positive (2 months

ago).

> Since I have not had any sexual contact with anyone for about 3

> years, I suspect I have been positive for that long. This comes

as a

> shock to me because I don't recall developing any symptomps that I

> normally would not consider normal symptomps if I have had stomach

> flu, cold, fever, swollen nodes, etc..

>

> 2) There seems to be info on the site whether or not HIV causes

AIDS

> or not. Both have good information and have reputable sources.

This

> alone stresses me out.

>

> 3) I am also stressed at the fact that I am paranoid that my

> roommates may get HIV (though pretty much most HIV sites almost

> guarantees people will not get HIV through casual contact). My

gums

> do bleed though (no one uses my toothbrush), but I'm afraid that

the

> odd time I blood through my saliva have ended up on the kitchen

sink,

> food, washroom sink, and they may get it. How effective is HIV in

> blood mixed with Saliva? HIV found in Saliva is negligable (from

> what I've read), but blood with Saliva is another story? Does

> presence of Saliva still " weakens' the virus? The fact that I may

> get someone infected seems to be more stressful to me more than

> anything else? I know I could be a bit paranoid, but everytime my

> roommates gets sick I feel stressed and worried to death?

>

> 4) I am making a dental appointment? Are there dental clinics that

> specialize with HIV patients? Do I have to disclose my poz status

to

> my Dentist?

>

> 5) Is it really possible to decrease your viral load using only

> alternative therapies? I have not talked to anyone about my

status

> at all. So far, I have used the following products. As my

lifestyle

> involves so little sleep, I have invested a huge amount of time

> buying supplements because I was afraid I was going to sick (I

have

> many casual contact with people (not sexual) as part of my job,

and

> have gotten sick at least 4 to 5 to times per year (lasting 3 to

15

> days at the most); I used to get sick only 2 per year at the most

> (when I used to get more " less " sleep. The following supplements

I

> have been using to reinforce my immune system are:

>

> a) Colostrum

> Coconut Oil (almost weekly) if not fresh coconuts

> c) Garden of Life Multivitamin (almost bi monthly

> d) Primal Defense (Probiotics) Almost bi monthly

> e) RM10 Mushroom Blends (Shitake, Maitake, Aloe Vera, Cat's Claw,

> etc.) (almost weekly)

> f) Antioxidants such as OPC (Moducare?), Grape Seed Extract, Alpha

> Lipoic Acid mainly (almost weekly)

> g) Melatonin (almost daily but only recently 2 months)

> h) Naka Herbs (Green drink) (almost weekly)

> i) E3 Live pills (occassionally)

> j) Chlorella (occassionally)

> k) Spirulina (occassionally)

> l) Garden of Life Goat's Milk with Colstrum tablets (almost weekly)

> k) Parasitic cleanse (tried only once)

> j) Manuka Honey (on occassion)

>

> Q: How do they know all these products work (other than

testimonials

> which anyone can claim?) If they have not isolated the virus, how

do

> they know that natural products work?

>

> As you can see I have invested a huge amount of time researching

> anything that will boost my immune system; I don't take them all

the

> same time; half of them at the most and i rotate them. Another

> reason why I bought so much (an spent $$$$$) is because I don't

eat

> well as I don't sleep well (yes....I SHOULD sleep well, point

> taken). Now I'm looking into something with fibre and maybe

Bitter

> Melon. I also read about Transfer Factors, recently?

>

> As for exercise and stuff, I do Shiatsu about every six months;

> meditate (TM and QiGong at least once a week just to catch up for

> lost sleep if anything).

>

> My apologies for the long email. Any comment will help. Right

now,

> I am feeling perfectly fine but I think the lymph nodes in my arm

> pits are slightly swollen (not painful enough to be a major

> incovenience), and the one in my thighs are slightly the same).

I've

> never had this (only recently last 3 months; same time I've been

> getting even less sleep and poorer eating habits if I may add).

Once

> in a while I also get a rash (like tiny, tiny pink spots) one or

two

> at the most, but they vanish. I also developed red dots (moles?)

> (very tiny, tiny in my body except face; maybe about 10 to 11

(they

> are permanent and dont' seem to be spreading further; it seems a

lot

> but half of them you can hardly see).

>

> Anyway, I joined this group in an effort to streamline

information;

> there's just SO MUCH info that itself becomes stressful. The

clinic

> I went to did not discourage nor encouraged " alternative "

treatments

> (I suspect reading between the lines they were encouraging me).

From

> what I have read about HAART, it's just another stress factor for

me.

>

> I am so stressed and confused more than anything else; I can sense

> depression looming over the horizon already. If HIV does not kill

> me, the stress probably will (figure of speech only; I'm not

thinking

> at all of any thoughts of suicide, don't want to alarm anyone).

>

> I understand I am not seeking medical advice; just opinions and

> thoughts. Is there one site I can go to that has a " streamlined "

> regimen?

>

> T.T. HMOJR

>HIV almost instantly does when it hits the air and I wouldnt worry

about slyvia it talkes gallons to infect someone. Also your intrest

in herbal supplements are a good thing if you can avoid meds at this

moment but consult ure docor

[Guest guest]

>

> 1) I just recently found out that I was HIV positive (2 months

ago).

> Since I have not had any sexual contact with anyone for about 3

> years, I suspect I have been positive for that long. This comes

as a

> shock to me because I don't recall developing any symptomps that I

> normally would not consider normal symptomps if I have had stomach

> flu, cold, fever, swollen nodes, etc..

>

> 2) There seems to be info on the site whether or not HIV causes

AIDS

> or not. Both have good information and have reputable sources.

This

> alone stresses me out.

>

> 3) I am also stressed at the fact that I am paranoid that my

> roommates may get HIV (though pretty much most HIV sites almost

> guarantees people will not get HIV through casual contact). My

gums

> do bleed though (no one uses my toothbrush), but I'm afraid that

the

> odd time I blood through my saliva have ended up on the kitchen

sink,

> food, washroom sink, and they may get it. How effective is HIV in

> blood mixed with Saliva? HIV found in Saliva is negligable (from

> what I've read), but blood with Saliva is another story? Does

> presence of Saliva still " weakens' the virus? The fact that I may

> get someone infected seems to be more stressful to me more than

> anything else? I know I could be a bit paranoid, but everytime my

> roommates gets sick I feel stressed and worried to death?

>

> 4) I am making a dental appointment? Are there dental clinics that

> specialize with HIV patients? Do I have to disclose my poz status

to

> my Dentist?

>

> 5) Is it really possible to decrease your viral load using only

> alternative therapies? I have not talked to anyone about my

status

> at all. So far, I have used the following products. As my

lifestyle

> involves so little sleep, I have invested a huge amount of time

> buying supplements because I was afraid I was going to sick (I

have

> many casual contact with people (not sexual) as part of my job,

and

> have gotten sick at least 4 to 5 to times per year (lasting 3 to

15

> days at the most); I used to get sick only 2 per year at the most

> (when I used to get more " less " sleep. The following supplements

I

> have been using to reinforce my immune system are:

>

> a) Colostrum

> Coconut Oil (almost weekly) if not fresh coconuts

> c) Garden of Life Multivitamin (almost bi monthly

> d) Primal Defense (Probiotics) Almost bi monthly

> e) RM10 Mushroom Blends (Shitake, Maitake, Aloe Vera, Cat's Claw,

> etc.) (almost weekly)

> f) Antioxidants such as OPC (Moducare?), Grape Seed Extract, Alpha

> Lipoic Acid mainly (almost weekly)

> g) Melatonin (almost daily but only recently 2 months)

> h) Naka Herbs (Green drink) (almost weekly)

> i) E3 Live pills (occassionally)

> j) Chlorella (occassionally)

> k) Spirulina (occassionally)

> l) Garden of Life Goat's Milk with Colstrum tablets (almost weekly)

> k) Parasitic cleanse (tried only once)

> j) Manuka Honey (on occassion)

>

> Q: How do they know all these products work (other than

testimonials

> which anyone can claim?) If they have not isolated the virus, how

do

> they know that natural products work?

>

> As you can see I have invested a huge amount of time researching

> anything that will boost my immune system; I don't take them all

the

> same time; half of them at the most and i rotate them. Another

> reason why I bought so much (an spent $$$$$) is because I don't

eat

> well as I don't sleep well (yes....I SHOULD sleep well, point

> taken). Now I'm looking into something with fibre and maybe

Bitter

> Melon. I also read about Transfer Factors, recently?

>

> As for exercise and stuff, I do Shiatsu about every six months;

> meditate (TM and QiGong at least once a week just to catch up for

> lost sleep if anything).

>

> My apologies for the long email. Any comment will help. Right

now,

> I am feeling perfectly fine but I think the lymph nodes in my arm

> pits are slightly swollen (not painful enough to be a major

> incovenience), and the one in my thighs are slightly the same).

I've

> never had this (only recently last 3 months; same time I've been

> getting even less sleep and poorer eating habits if I may add).

Once

> in a while I also get a rash (like tiny, tiny pink spots) one or

two

> at the most, but they vanish. I also developed red dots (moles?)

> (very tiny, tiny in my body except face; maybe about 10 to 11

(they

> are permanent and dont' seem to be spreading further; it seems a

lot

> but half of them you can hardly see).

>

> Anyway, I joined this group in an effort to streamline

information;

> there's just SO MUCH info that itself becomes stressful. The

clinic

> I went to did not discourage nor encouraged " alternative "

treatments

> (I suspect reading between the lines they were encouraging me).

From

> what I have read about HAART, it's just another stress factor for

me.

>

> I am so stressed and confused more than anything else; I can sense

> depression looming over the horizon already. If HIV does not kill

> me, the stress probably will (figure of speech only; I'm not

thinking

> at all of any thoughts of suicide, don't want to alarm anyone).

>

> I understand I am not seeking medical advice; just opinions and

> thoughts. Is there one site I can go to that has a " streamlined "

> regimen?

>

> T.T. HMOJR

>HIV almost instantly does when it hits the air and I wouldnt worry

about slyvia it talkes gallons to infect someone. Also your intrest

in herbal supplements are a good thing if you can avoid meds at this

moment but consult ure docor

[Guest guest]

> >

> > T.T. HMOJR

> >HIV almost instantly does when it hits the air and I wouldnt worry

> about slyvia it talkes gallons to infect someone. Also your intrest

> in herbal supplements are a good thing if you can avoid meds at this

> moment but consult ure docor

Thank you! I definitely DO NOT like the idea of meds; I'm just afraid

I'll be " cajoled " by my doctor (dont' really know him personally).

This is a very frightening thing for me as you can imagine, mixed with

paranoia and guilt all combined into one emotion. Perhaps I ought to

seek a Naturopathic doctor, (or both?).

TT

[Guest guest]

> >

> > T.T. HMOJR

> >HIV almost instantly does when it hits the air and I wouldnt worry

> about slyvia it talkes gallons to infect someone. Also your intrest

> in herbal supplements are a good thing if you can avoid meds at this

> moment but consult ure docor

Thank you! I definitely DO NOT like the idea of meds; I'm just afraid

I'll be " cajoled " by my doctor (dont' really know him personally).

This is a very frightening thing for me as you can imagine, mixed with

paranoia and guilt all combined into one emotion. Perhaps I ought to

seek a Naturopathic doctor, (or both?).

TT

[Guest guest]

>

> > >

> > > T.T. HMOJR

> > >HIV almost instantly does when it hits the air and I wouldnt

worry

> > about slyvia it talkes gallons to infect someone. Also your

intrest

> > in herbal supplements are a good thing if you can avoid meds at

this

> > moment but consult ure docor

>

> Thank you! I definitely DO NOT like the idea of meds; I'm just

afraid

> I'll be " cajoled " by my doctor (dont' really know him

personally).

> This is a very frightening thing for me as you can imagine, mixed

with

> paranoia and guilt all combined into one emotion. Perhaps I ought

to

> seek a Naturopathic doctor, (or both?).

>

> TT

>You are so lucky that ure dealing with this so well. Most people

are in so much denial that they completely shut out the option of

sustaining thier health.There are many postions for advocates that

show ure level of maturity. I know its hard at first but believe me

once you learn to how to manage this in ure daily life things become

easier.

[Guest guest]

>

> > >

> > > T.T. HMOJR

> > >HIV almost instantly does when it hits the air and I wouldnt

worry

> > about slyvia it talkes gallons to infect someone. Also your

intrest

> > in herbal supplements are a good thing if you can avoid meds at

this

> > moment but consult ure docor

>

> Thank you! I definitely DO NOT like the idea of meds; I'm just

afraid

> I'll be " cajoled " by my doctor (dont' really know him

personally).

> This is a very frightening thing for me as you can imagine, mixed

with

> paranoia and guilt all combined into one emotion. Perhaps I ought

to

> seek a Naturopathic doctor, (or both?).

>

> TT

>You are so lucky that ure dealing with this so well. Most people

are in so much denial that they completely shut out the option of

sustaining thier health.There are many postions for advocates that

show ure level of maturity. I know its hard at first but believe me

once you learn to how to manage this in ure daily life things become

easier.

[Guest guest]

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This is a sight where you can ask doctors questions about HIV and AIDS

and you ususally get a response back within 24hours.

[Guest guest]

This web sight may be of value to you. thebody.org

This is a sight where you can ask doctors questions about HIV and AIDS

and you ususally get a response back within 24hours.

[Guest guest]

Hey, Marco. I have been positive for at least 23 years -- most of that

time without using meds. My newest medical regimen has kept me with an

extremely low viral load. Having researched (for years and years) the

thought on whether HIV causes the problem, I am convinced it does. My

opinion, only, and I tend toward questioning of current medical thought

-- always. I have refused to use AZT (retrovir), as I have a strong

antipathy toward that particular medicine. My partner and I use a few

herbs, we use DC-electricity, we have used medical ozone (my partner

built a medical ozone machine for under $200.) I have cured myself of

genital warts (condyloma - sp?), cryptococcal meningitis, thrush, fever

that spiked daily to 105, shingles, -- I could go on and on. Most of

the time we can cure things with echinacea alone. My partner talked to

a leading expert on herbs in Italy to find out the toxic level of

echinacea and I understood that doctor to say there was zero toxicity at

any level (please do not take this as advice -- simply my understanding)

so I took high doses of echinacea for 45 days (blending one whole plant

with water every day, straining it through a cloth and drinking it) and

cured my cryptococcus (which my doctor hated admitting, but he finally

did an antigen test and it proved that I no longer had crypto anywhere

in my system; so he sent for my blood work to prove I had never HAD it

-- it proved I HAD.) This disease demands some attention, but honestly

I get tired of people asking (in that tone of voice), " How are you

FEEling? " We live normal lives. My partner and I take precautions, but

nothing extreme, and he is still negative after 19 years together.

The only thing I worry about is your platelets. If your gums are

bleeding a lot, that could be a problem. I lost all my platelets and

started bleeding mouthsful of blood from my gums. They gave me

prednisone at the hospital (which I believe was likely the cause of my

subsequent stroke). I used the ozone machine to not only obliterate the

ensuing high spiking fever, but also to normalize my platelets. My

partner has a hematologist friend who told him my platelets would never

be normal again. Wrong! Following a short period of daily rectal ozone

(5 minutes -- 6 times a day for about a week, and then 3 times a day for

maybe 2 weeks, then another week or two maybe once a day), my 90-day

spiking fever left for good and my platelets were normal normal normal.

They tell me I may be the longest-term survivor of this stuff . I don't

know -- maybe so. (I've had it since '83 -- possibly '81 and maybe even

'79 -- bad things always happened on odd years.) I'm healthy, happy, and

generally don't worry about dying. We'll all do that one day, and I

don't think anybody goes before their time. Maybe I'm wrong, but I

don't think so. We have listened to our doctors, but neither my partner

nor I takes their word as gospel. One of them wanted me to go into a

trial and told me right up front that I would die, but " you will do so

much good for the people who come after you. " My partner stood up, said

a couple of well-chosen expletives to the doctor, turned to me and said,

" Are you ready to go? " We never went back to that doctor. Another TWO

doctors tried to force me to take AZT, and I told them where to get off.

I have had some wonderful doctors who worked WITH me, but they all

understood that the reason I am still alive is more because of the

decisions I made -- not decisions made by the medical establishment.

My only purpose in writing to you is to encourage. I'm no genius. If I

can survive this long, you can, too. Be careful the voices you listen

to.

>

> 1) I just recently found out that I was HIV positive (2 months ago).

> Since I have not had any sexual contact with anyone for about 3

> years, I suspect I have been positive for that long. This comes as a

> shock to me because I don't recall developing any symptomps that I

> normally would not consider normal symptomps if I have had stomach

> flu, cold, fever, swollen nodes, etc..

>

> 2) There seems to be info on the site whether or not HIV causes AIDS

> or not. Both have good information and have reputable sources. This

> alone stresses me out.

>

> 3) I am also stressed at the fact that I am paranoid that my

> roommates may get HIV (though pretty much most HIV sites almost

> guarantees people will not get HIV through casual contact). My gums

> do bleed though (no one uses my toothbrush), but I'm afraid that the

> odd time I blood through my saliva have ended up on the kitchen sink,

> food, washroom sink, and they may get it. How effective is HIV in

> blood mixed with Saliva? HIV found in Saliva is negligable (from

> what I've read), but blood with Saliva is another story? Does

> presence of Saliva still " weakens' the virus? The fact that I may

> get someone infected seems to be more stressful to me more than

> anything else? I know I could be a bit paranoid, but everytime my

> roommates gets sick I feel stressed and worried to death?

>

> 4) I am making a dental appointment? Are there dental clinics that

> specialize with HIV patients? Do I have to disclose my poz status to

> my Dentist?

>

> 5) Is it really possible to decrease your viral load using only

> alternative therapies? I have not talked to anyone about my status

> at all. So far, I have used the following products. As my lifestyle

> involves so little sleep, I have invested a huge amount of time

> buying supplements because I was afraid I was going to sick (I have

> many casual contact with people (not sexual) as part of my job, and

> have gotten sick at least 4 to 5 to times per year (lasting 3 to 15

> days at the most); I used to get sick only 2 per year at the most

> (when I used to get more " less " sleep. The following supplements I

> have been using to reinforce my immune system are:

>

> a) Colostrum

> Coconut Oil (almost weekly) if not fresh coconuts

> c) Garden of Life Multivitamin (almost bi monthly

> d) Primal Defense (Probiotics) Almost bi monthly

> e) RM10 Mushroom Blends (Shitake, Maitake, Aloe Vera, Cat's Claw,

> etc.) (almost weekly)

> f) Antioxidants such as OPC (Moducare?), Grape Seed Extract, Alpha

> Lipoic Acid mainly (almost weekly)

> g) Melatonin (almost daily but only recently 2 months)

> h) Naka Herbs (Green drink) (almost weekly)

> i) E3 Live pills (occassionally)

> j) Chlorella (occassionally)

> k) Spirulina (occassionally)

> l) Garden of Life Goat's Milk with Colstrum tablets (almost weekly)

> k) Parasitic cleanse (tried only once)

> j) Manuka Honey (on occassion)

>

> Q: How do they know all these products work (other than testimonials

> which anyone can claim?) If they have not isolated the virus, how do

> they know that natural products work?

>

> As you can see I have invested a huge amount of time researching

> anything that will boost my immune system; I don't take them all the

> same time; half of them at the most and i rotate them. Another

> reason why I bought so much (an spent $$$$$) is because I don't eat

> well as I don't sleep well (yes....I SHOULD sleep well, point

> taken). Now I'm looking into something with fibre and maybe Bitter

> Melon. I also read about Transfer Factors, recently?

>

> As for exercise and stuff, I do Shiatsu about every six months;

> meditate (TM and QiGong at least once a week just to catch up for

> lost sleep if anything).

>

> My apologies for the long email. Any comment will help. Right now,

> I am feeling perfectly fine but I think the lymph nodes in my arm

> pits are slightly swollen (not painful enough to be a major

> incovenience), and the one in my thighs are slightly the same). I've

> never had this (only recently last 3 months; same time I've been

> getting even less sleep and poorer eating habits if I may add). Once

> in a while I also get a rash (like tiny, tiny pink spots) one or two

> at the most, but they vanish. I also developed red dots (moles?)

> (very tiny, tiny in my body except face; maybe about 10 to 11 (they

> are permanent and dont' seem to be spreading further; it seems a lot

> but half of them you can hardly see).

>

> Anyway, I joined this group in an effort to streamline information;

> there's just SO MUCH info that itself becomes stressful. The clinic

> I went to did not discourage nor encouraged " alternative " treatments

> (I suspect reading between the lines they were encouraging me). From

> what I have read about HAART, it's just another stress factor for me.

>

> I am so stressed and confused more than anything else; I can sense

> depression looming over the horizon already. If HIV does not kill

> me, the stress probably will (figure of speech only; I'm not thinking

> at all of any thoughts of suicide, don't want to alarm anyone).

>

> I understand I am not seeking medical advice; just opinions and

> thoughts. Is there one site I can go to that has a " streamlined "

> regimen?

>

> T.T. HMOJR

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, Marco. I have been positive for at least 23 years -- most of that

time without using meds. My newest medical regimen has kept me with an

extremely low viral load. Having researched (for years and years) the

thought on whether HIV causes the problem, I am convinced it does. My

opinion, only, and I tend toward questioning of current medical thought

-- always. I have refused to use AZT (retrovir), as I have a strong

antipathy toward that particular medicine. My partner and I use a few

herbs, we use DC-electricity, we have used medical ozone (my partner

built a medical ozone machine for under $200.) I have cured myself of

genital warts (condyloma - sp?), cryptococcal meningitis, thrush, fever

that spiked daily to 105, shingles, -- I could go on and on. Most of

the time we can cure things with echinacea alone. My partner talked to

a leading expert on herbs in Italy to find out the toxic level of

echinacea and I understood that doctor to say there was zero toxicity at

any level (please do not take this as advice -- simply my understanding)

so I took high doses of echinacea for 45 days (blending one whole plant

with water every day, straining it through a cloth and drinking it) and

cured my cryptococcus (which my doctor hated admitting, but he finally

did an antigen test and it proved that I no longer had crypto anywhere

in my system; so he sent for my blood work to prove I had never HAD it

-- it proved I HAD.) This disease demands some attention, but honestly

I get tired of people asking (in that tone of voice), " How are you

FEEling? " We live normal lives. My partner and I take precautions, but

nothing extreme, and he is still negative after 19 years together.

The only thing I worry about is your platelets. If your gums are

bleeding a lot, that could be a problem. I lost all my platelets and

started bleeding mouthsful of blood from my gums. They gave me

prednisone at the hospital (which I believe was likely the cause of my

subsequent stroke). I used the ozone machine to not only obliterate the

ensuing high spiking fever, but also to normalize my platelets. My

partner has a hematologist friend who told him my platelets would never

be normal again. Wrong! Following a short period of daily rectal ozone

(5 minutes -- 6 times a day for about a week, and then 3 times a day for

maybe 2 weeks, then another week or two maybe once a day), my 90-day

spiking fever left for good and my platelets were normal normal normal.

They tell me I may be the longest-term survivor of this stuff . I don't

know -- maybe so. (I've had it since '83 -- possibly '81 and maybe even

'79 -- bad things always happened on odd years.) I'm healthy, happy, and

generally don't worry about dying. We'll all do that one day, and I

don't think anybody goes before their time. Maybe I'm wrong, but I

don't think so. We have listened to our doctors, but neither my partner

nor I takes their word as gospel. One of them wanted me to go into a

trial and told me right up front that I would die, but " you will do so

much good for the people who come after you. " My partner stood up, said

a couple of well-chosen expletives to the doctor, turned to me and said,

" Are you ready to go? " We never went back to that doctor. Another TWO

doctors tried to force me to take AZT, and I told them where to get off.

I have had some wonderful doctors who worked WITH me, but they all

understood that the reason I am still alive is more because of the

decisions I made -- not decisions made by the medical establishment.

My only purpose in writing to you is to encourage. I'm no genius. If I

can survive this long, you can, too. Be careful the voices you listen

to.

>

> 1) I just recently found out that I was HIV positive (2 months ago).

> Since I have not had any sexual contact with anyone for about 3

> years, I suspect I have been positive for that long. This comes as a

> shock to me because I don't recall developing any symptomps that I

> normally would not consider normal symptomps if I have had stomach

> flu, cold, fever, swollen nodes, etc..

>

> 2) There seems to be info on the site whether or not HIV causes AIDS

> or not. Both have good information and have reputable sources. This

> alone stresses me out.

>

> 3) I am also stressed at the fact that I am paranoid that my

> roommates may get HIV (though pretty much most HIV sites almost

> guarantees people will not get HIV through casual contact). My gums

> do bleed though (no one uses my toothbrush), but I'm afraid that the

> odd time I blood through my saliva have ended up on the kitchen sink,

> food, washroom sink, and they may get it. How effective is HIV in

> blood mixed with Saliva? HIV found in Saliva is negligable (from

> what I've read), but blood with Saliva is another story? Does

> presence of Saliva still " weakens' the virus? The fact that I may

> get someone infected seems to be more stressful to me more than

> anything else? I know I could be a bit paranoid, but everytime my

> roommates gets sick I feel stressed and worried to death?

>

> 4) I am making a dental appointment? Are there dental clinics that

> specialize with HIV patients? Do I have to disclose my poz status to

> my Dentist?

>

> 5) Is it really possible to decrease your viral load using only

> alternative therapies? I have not talked to anyone about my status

> at all. So far, I have used the following products. As my lifestyle

> involves so little sleep, I have invested a huge amount of time

> buying supplements because I was afraid I was going to sick (I have

> many casual contact with people (not sexual) as part of my job, and

> have gotten sick at least 4 to 5 to times per year (lasting 3 to 15

> days at the most); I used to get sick only 2 per year at the most

> (when I used to get more " less " sleep. The following supplements I

> have been using to reinforce my immune system are:

>

> a) Colostrum

> Coconut Oil (almost weekly) if not fresh coconuts

> c) Garden of Life Multivitamin (almost bi monthly

> d) Primal Defense (Probiotics) Almost bi monthly

> e) RM10 Mushroom Blends (Shitake, Maitake, Aloe Vera, Cat's Claw,

> etc.) (almost weekly)

> f) Antioxidants such as OPC (Moducare?), Grape Seed Extract, Alpha

> Lipoic Acid mainly (almost weekly)

> g) Melatonin (almost daily but only recently 2 months)

> h) Naka Herbs (Green drink) (almost weekly)

> i) E3 Live pills (occassionally)

> j) Chlorella (occassionally)

> k) Spirulina (occassionally)

> l) Garden of Life Goat's Milk with Colstrum tablets (almost weekly)

> k) Parasitic cleanse (tried only once)

> j) Manuka Honey (on occassion)

>

> Q: How do they know all these products work (other than testimonials

> which anyone can claim?) If they have not isolated the virus, how do

> they know that natural products work?

>

> As you can see I have invested a huge amount of time researching

> anything that will boost my immune system; I don't take them all the

> same time; half of them at the most and i rotate them. Another

> reason why I bought so much (an spent $$$$$) is because I don't eat

> well as I don't sleep well (yes....I SHOULD sleep well, point

> taken). Now I'm looking into something with fibre and maybe Bitter

> Melon. I also read about Transfer Factors, recently?

>

> As for exercise and stuff, I do Shiatsu about every six months;

> meditate (TM and QiGong at least once a week just to catch up for

> lost sleep if anything).

>

> My apologies for the long email. Any comment will help. Right now,

> I am feeling perfectly fine but I think the lymph nodes in my arm

> pits are slightly swollen (not painful enough to be a major

> incovenience), and the one in my thighs are slightly the same). I've

> never had this (only recently last 3 months; same time I've been

> getting even less sleep and poorer eating habits if I may add). Once

> in a while I also get a rash (like tiny, tiny pink spots) one or two

> at the most, but they vanish. I also developed red dots (moles?)

> (very tiny, tiny in my body except face; maybe about 10 to 11 (they

> are permanent and dont' seem to be spreading further; it seems a lot

> but half of them you can hardly see).

>

> Anyway, I joined this group in an effort to streamline information;

> there's just SO MUCH info that itself becomes stressful. The clinic

> I went to did not discourage nor encouraged " alternative " treatments

> (I suspect reading between the lines they were encouraging me). From

> what I have read about HAART, it's just another stress factor for me.

>

> I am so stressed and confused more than anything else; I can sense

> depression looming over the horizon already. If HIV does not kill

> me, the stress probably will (figure of speech only; I'm not thinking

> at all of any thoughts of suicide, don't want to alarm anyone).

>

> I understand I am not seeking medical advice; just opinions and

> thoughts. Is there one site I can go to that has a " streamlined "

> regimen?

>

> T.T. HMOJR

>

[Guest guest]

The Fact That U Said U Havent Used Meds For Most Of The Time Since Ur

Test Result, Is Probally The Reason Why Ur Still In Good Health. I

Dont Believe In This Hoax, But That's Jus My 2 Opinion.

>

>

> Hey, Marco. I have been positive for at least 23 years -- most of

that

> time without using meds. My newest medical regimen has kept me

with an

> extremely low viral load. Having researched (for years and years)

the

> thought on whether HIV causes the problem, I am convinced it does.

My

> opinion, only, and I tend toward questioning of current medical

thought

> -- always. I have refused to use AZT (retrovir), as I have a strong

> antipathy toward that particular medicine. My partner and I use a

few

> herbs, we use DC-electricity, we have used medical ozone (my partner

> built a medical ozone machine for under $200.) I have cured myself

of

> genital warts (condyloma - sp?), cryptococcal meningitis, thrush,

fever

> that spiked daily to 105, shingles, -- I could go on and on. Most

of

> the time we can cure things with echinacea alone. My partner

talked to

> a leading expert on herbs in Italy to find out the toxic level of

> echinacea and I understood that doctor to say there was zero

toxicity at

> any level (please do not take this as advice -- simply my

understanding)

> so I took high doses of echinacea for 45 days (blending one whole

plant

> with water every day, straining it through a cloth and drinking it)

and

> cured my cryptococcus (which my doctor hated admitting, but he

finally

> did an antigen test and it proved that I no longer had crypto

anywhere

> in my system; so he sent for my blood work to prove I had never HAD

it

> -- it proved I HAD.) This disease demands some attention, but

honestly

> I get tired of people asking (in that tone of voice), " How are you

> FEEling? " We live normal lives. My partner and I take

precautions, but

> nothing extreme, and he is still negative after 19 years together.

>

> The only thing I worry about is your platelets. If your gums are

> bleeding a lot, that could be a problem. I lost all my platelets

and

> started bleeding mouthsful of blood from my gums. They gave me

> prednisone at the hospital (which I believe was likely the cause of

my

> subsequent stroke). I used the ozone machine to not only

obliterate the

> ensuing high spiking fever, but also to normalize my platelets. My

> partner has a hematologist friend who told him my platelets would

never

> be normal again. Wrong! Following a short period of daily rectal

ozone

> (5 minutes -- 6 times a day for about a week, and then 3 times a

day for

> maybe 2 weeks, then another week or two maybe once a day), my 90-day

> spiking fever left for good and my platelets were normal normal

normal.

>

> They tell me I may be the longest-term survivor of this stuff . I

don't

> know -- maybe so. (I've had it since '83 -- possibly '81 and maybe

even

> '79 -- bad things always happened on odd years.) I'm healthy,

happy, and

> generally don't worry about dying. We'll all do that one day, and I

> don't think anybody goes before their time. Maybe I'm wrong, but I

> don't think so. We have listened to our doctors, but neither my

partner

> nor I takes their word as gospel. One of them wanted me to go into

a

> trial and told me right up front that I would die, but " you will do

so

> much good for the people who come after you. " My partner stood up,

said

> a couple of well-chosen expletives to the doctor, turned to me and

said,

> " Are you ready to go? " We never went back to that doctor. Another

TWO

> doctors tried to force me to take AZT, and I told them where to get

off.

> I have had some wonderful doctors who worked WITH me, but they all

> understood that the reason I am still alive is more because of the

> decisions I made -- not decisions made by the medical establishment.

>

> My only purpose in writing to you is to encourage. I'm no genius.

If I

> can survive this long, you can, too. Be careful the voices you

listen

> to.

>

>

>

> >

> > 1) I just recently found out that I was HIV positive (2 months

ago).

> > Since I have not had any sexual contact with anyone for about 3

> > years, I suspect I have been positive for that long. This comes

as a

> > shock to me because I don't recall developing any symptomps that I

> > normally would not consider normal symptomps if I have had stomach

> > flu, cold, fever, swollen nodes, etc..

> >

> > 2) There seems to be info on the site whether or not HIV causes

AIDS

> > or not. Both have good information and have reputable sources.

This

> > alone stresses me out.

> >

> > 3) I am also stressed at the fact that I am paranoid that my

> > roommates may get HIV (though pretty much most HIV sites almost

> > guarantees people will not get HIV through casual contact). My

gums

> > do bleed though (no one uses my toothbrush), but I'm afraid that

the

> > odd time I blood through my saliva have ended up on the kitchen

sink,

> > food, washroom sink, and they may get it. How effective is HIV in

> > blood mixed with Saliva? HIV found in Saliva is negligable (from

> > what I've read), but blood with Saliva is another story? Does

> > presence of Saliva still " weakens' the virus? The fact that I may

> > get someone infected seems to be more stressful to me more than

> > anything else? I know I could be a bit paranoid, but everytime my

> > roommates gets sick I feel stressed and worried to death?

> >

> > 4) I am making a dental appointment? Are there dental clinics that

> > specialize with HIV patients? Do I have to disclose my poz status

to

> > my Dentist?

> >

> > 5) Is it really possible to decrease your viral load using only

> > alternative therapies? I have not talked to anyone about my status

> > at all. So far, I have used the following products. As my

lifestyle

> > involves so little sleep, I have invested a huge amount of time

> > buying supplements because I was afraid I was going to sick (I

have

> > many casual contact with people (not sexual) as part of my job,

and

> > have gotten sick at least 4 to 5 to times per year (lasting 3 to

15

> > days at the most); I used to get sick only 2 per year at the most

> > (when I used to get more " less " sleep. The following supplements I

> > have been using to reinforce my immune system are:

> >

> > a) Colostrum

> > Coconut Oil (almost weekly) if not fresh coconuts

> > c) Garden of Life Multivitamin (almost bi monthly

> > d) Primal Defense (Probiotics) Almost bi monthly

> > e) RM10 Mushroom Blends (Shitake, Maitake, Aloe Vera, Cat's Claw,

> > etc.) (almost weekly)

> > f) Antioxidants such as OPC (Moducare?), Grape Seed Extract, Alpha

> > Lipoic Acid mainly (almost weekly)

> > g) Melatonin (almost daily but only recently 2 months)

> > h) Naka Herbs (Green drink) (almost weekly)

> > i) E3 Live pills (occassionally)

> > j) Chlorella (occassionally)

> > k) Spirulina (occassionally)

> > l) Garden of Life Goat's Milk with Colstrum tablets (almost

weekly)

> > k) Parasitic cleanse (tried only once)

> > j) Manuka Honey (on occassion)

> >

> > Q: How do they know all these products work (other than

testimonials

> > which anyone can claim?) If they have not isolated the virus, how

do

> > they know that natural products work?

> >

> > As you can see I have invested a huge amount of time researching

> > anything that will boost my immune system; I don't take them all

the

> > same time; half of them at the most and i rotate them. Another

> > reason why I bought so much (an spent $$$$$) is because I don't

eat

> > well as I don't sleep well (yes....I SHOULD sleep well, point

> > taken). Now I'm looking into something with fibre and maybe Bitter

> > Melon. I also read about Transfer Factors, recently?

> >

> > As for exercise and stuff, I do Shiatsu about every six months;

> > meditate (TM and QiGong at least once a week just to catch up for

> > lost sleep if anything).

> >

> > My apologies for the long email. Any comment will help. Right now,

> > I am feeling perfectly fine but I think the lymph nodes in my arm

> > pits are slightly swollen (not painful enough to be a major

> > incovenience), and the one in my thighs are slightly the same).

I've

> > never had this (only recently last 3 months; same time I've been

> > getting even less sleep and poorer eating habits if I may add).

Once

> > in a while I also get a rash (like tiny, tiny pink spots) one or

two

> > at the most, but they vanish. I also developed red dots (moles?)

> > (very tiny, tiny in my body except face; maybe about 10 to 11

(they

> > are permanent and dont' seem to be spreading further; it seems a

lot

> > but half of them you can hardly see).

> >

> > Anyway, I joined this group in an effort to streamline

information;

> > there's just SO MUCH info that itself becomes stressful. The

clinic

> > I went to did not discourage nor encouraged " alternative "

treatments

> > (I suspect reading between the lines they were encouraging me).

From

> > what I have read about HAART, it's just another stress factor for

me.

> >

> > I am so stressed and confused more than anything else; I can sense

> > depression looming over the horizon already. If HIV does not kill

> > me, the stress probably will (figure of speech only; I'm not

thinking

> > at all of any thoughts of suicide, don't want to alarm anyone).

> >

> > I understand I am not seeking medical advice; just opinions and

> > thoughts. Is there one site I can go to that has a " streamlined "

> > regimen?

> >

> > T.T. HMOJR

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The Fact That U Said U Havent Used Meds For Most Of The Time Since Ur

Test Result, Is Probally The Reason Why Ur Still In Good Health. I

Dont Believe In This Hoax, But That's Jus My 2 Opinion.

>

>

> Hey, Marco. I have been positive for at least 23 years -- most of

that

> time without using meds. My newest medical regimen has kept me

with an

> extremely low viral load. Having researched (for years and years)

the

> thought on whether HIV causes the problem, I am convinced it does.

My

> opinion, only, and I tend toward questioning of current medical

thought

> -- always. I have refused to use AZT (retrovir), as I have a strong

> antipathy toward that particular medicine. My partner and I use a

few

> herbs, we use DC-electricity, we have used medical ozone (my partner

> built a medical ozone machine for under $200.) I have cured myself

of

> genital warts (condyloma - sp?), cryptococcal meningitis, thrush,

fever

> that spiked daily to 105, shingles, -- I could go on and on. Most

of

> the time we can cure things with echinacea alone. My partner

talked to

> a leading expert on herbs in Italy to find out the toxic level of

> echinacea and I understood that doctor to say there was zero

toxicity at

> any level (please do not take this as advice -- simply my

understanding)

> so I took high doses of echinacea for 45 days (blending one whole

plant

> with water every day, straining it through a cloth and drinking it)

and

> cured my cryptococcus (which my doctor hated admitting, but he

finally

> did an antigen test and it proved that I no longer had crypto

anywhere

> in my system; so he sent for my blood work to prove I had never HAD

it

> -- it proved I HAD.) This disease demands some attention, but

honestly

> I get tired of people asking (in that tone of voice), " How are you

> FEEling? " We live normal lives. My partner and I take

precautions, but

> nothing extreme, and he is still negative after 19 years together.

>

> The only thing I worry about is your platelets. If your gums are

> bleeding a lot, that could be a problem. I lost all my platelets

and

> started bleeding mouthsful of blood from my gums. They gave me

> prednisone at the hospital (which I believe was likely the cause of

my

> subsequent stroke). I used the ozone machine to not only

obliterate the

> ensuing high spiking fever, but also to normalize my platelets. My

> partner has a hematologist friend who told him my platelets would

never

> be normal again. Wrong! Following a short period of daily rectal

ozone

> (5 minutes -- 6 times a day for about a week, and then 3 times a

day for

> maybe 2 weeks, then another week or two maybe once a day), my 90-day

> spiking fever left for good and my platelets were normal normal

normal.

>

> They tell me I may be the longest-term survivor of this stuff . I

don't

> know -- maybe so. (I've had it since '83 -- possibly '81 and maybe

even

> '79 -- bad things always happened on odd years.) I'm healthy,

happy, and

> generally don't worry about dying. We'll all do that one day, and I

> don't think anybody goes before their time. Maybe I'm wrong, but I

> don't think so. We have listened to our doctors, but neither my

partner

> nor I takes their word as gospel. One of them wanted me to go into

a

> trial and told me right up front that I would die, but " you will do

so

> much good for the people who come after you. " My partner stood up,

said

> a couple of well-chosen expletives to the doctor, turned to me and

said,

> " Are you ready to go? " We never went back to that doctor. Another

TWO

> doctors tried to force me to take AZT, and I told them where to get

off.

> I have had some wonderful doctors who worked WITH me, but they all

> understood that the reason I am still alive is more because of the

> decisions I made -- not decisions made by the medical establishment.

>

> My only purpose in writing to you is to encourage. I'm no genius.

If I

> can survive this long, you can, too. Be careful the voices you

listen

> to.

>

>

>

> >

> > 1) I just recently found out that I was HIV positive (2 months

ago).

> > Since I have not had any sexual contact with anyone for about 3

> > years, I suspect I have been positive for that long. This comes

as a

> > shock to me because I don't recall developing any symptomps that I

> > normally would not consider normal symptomps if I have had stomach

> > flu, cold, fever, swollen nodes, etc..

> >

> > 2) There seems to be info on the site whether or not HIV causes

AIDS

> > or not. Both have good information and have reputable sources.

This

> > alone stresses me out.

> >

> > 3) I am also stressed at the fact that I am paranoid that my

> > roommates may get HIV (though pretty much most HIV sites almost

> > guarantees people will not get HIV through casual contact). My

gums

> > do bleed though (no one uses my toothbrush), but I'm afraid that

the

> > odd time I blood through my saliva have ended up on the kitchen

sink,

> > food, washroom sink, and they may get it. How effective is HIV in

> > blood mixed with Saliva? HIV found in Saliva is negligable (from

> > what I've read), but blood with Saliva is another story? Does

> > presence of Saliva still " weakens' the virus? The fact that I may

> > get someone infected seems to be more stressful to me more than

> > anything else? I know I could be a bit paranoid, but everytime my

> > roommates gets sick I feel stressed and worried to death?

> >

> > 4) I am making a dental appointment? Are there dental clinics that

> > specialize with HIV patients? Do I have to disclose my poz status

to

> > my Dentist?

> >

> > 5) Is it really possible to decrease your viral load using only

> > alternative therapies? I have not talked to anyone about my status

> > at all. So far, I have used the following products. As my

lifestyle

> > involves so little sleep, I have invested a huge amount of time

> > buying supplements because I was afraid I was going to sick (I

have

> > many casual contact with people (not sexual) as part of my job,

and

> > have gotten sick at least 4 to 5 to times per year (lasting 3 to

15

> > days at the most); I used to get sick only 2 per year at the most

> > (when I used to get more " less " sleep. The following supplements I

> > have been using to reinforce my immune system are:

> >

> > a) Colostrum

> > Coconut Oil (almost weekly) if not fresh coconuts

> > c) Garden of Life Multivitamin (almost bi monthly

> > d) Primal Defense (Probiotics) Almost bi monthly

> > e) RM10 Mushroom Blends (Shitake, Maitake, Aloe Vera, Cat's Claw,

> > etc.) (almost weekly)

> > f) Antioxidants such as OPC (Moducare?), Grape Seed Extract, Alpha

> > Lipoic Acid mainly (almost weekly)

> > g) Melatonin (almost daily but only recently 2 months)

> > h) Naka Herbs (Green drink) (almost weekly)

> > i) E3 Live pills (occassionally)

> > j) Chlorella (occassionally)

> > k) Spirulina (occassionally)

> > l) Garden of Life Goat's Milk with Colstrum tablets (almost

weekly)

> > k) Parasitic cleanse (tried only once)

> > j) Manuka Honey (on occassion)

> >

> > Q: How do they know all these products work (other than

testimonials

> > which anyone can claim?) If they have not isolated the virus, how

do

> > they know that natural products work?

> >

> > As you can see I have invested a huge amount of time researching

> > anything that will boost my immune system; I don't take them all

the

> > same time; half of them at the most and i rotate them. Another

> > reason why I bought so much (an spent $$$$$) is because I don't

eat

> > well as I don't sleep well (yes....I SHOULD sleep well, point

> > taken). Now I'm looking into something with fibre and maybe Bitter

> > Melon. I also read about Transfer Factors, recently?

> >

> > As for exercise and stuff, I do Shiatsu about every six months;

> > meditate (TM and QiGong at least once a week just to catch up for

> > lost sleep if anything).

> >

> > My apologies for the long email. Any comment will help. Right now,

> > I am feeling perfectly fine but I think the lymph nodes in my arm

> > pits are slightly swollen (not painful enough to be a major

> > incovenience), and the one in my thighs are slightly the same).

I've

> > never had this (only recently last 3 months; same time I've been

> > getting even less sleep and poorer eating habits if I may add).

Once

> > in a while I also get a rash (like tiny, tiny pink spots) one or

two

> > at the most, but they vanish. I also developed red dots (moles?)

> > (very tiny, tiny in my body except face; maybe about 10 to 11

(they

> > are permanent and dont' seem to be spreading further; it seems a

lot

> > but half of them you can hardly see).

> >

> > Anyway, I joined this group in an effort to streamline

information;

> > there's just SO MUCH info that itself becomes stressful. The

clinic

> > I went to did not discourage nor encouraged " alternative "

treatments

> > (I suspect reading between the lines they were encouraging me).

From

> > what I have read about HAART, it's just another stress factor for

me.

> >

> > I am so stressed and confused more than anything else; I can sense

> > depression looming over the horizon already. If HIV does not kill

> > me, the stress probably will (figure of speech only; I'm not

thinking

> > at all of any thoughts of suicide, don't want to alarm anyone).

> >

> > I understand I am not seeking medical advice; just opinions and

> > thoughts. Is there one site I can go to that has a " streamlined "

> > regimen?

> >

> > T.T. HMOJR

> >

>

>

>

>

>