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My friend was just over tonight and showed me a pair of snazzy wind pants

that had a MAGNET in place of a snap or button at the top of the zipper!

This would be great for some of our kids! is 14 and still cannot do

snaps and buttons at the top of his jeans (and elastic waist pants are out of

the question in middle school) This may be a solution. I will find out more

about this.........

Jackie, Mom to 14ds, 11, and Bradley 7

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My friend was just over tonight and showed me a pair of snazzy wind pants

that had a MAGNET in place of a snap or button at the top of the zipper!

This would be great for some of our kids! is 14 and still cannot do

snaps and buttons at the top of his jeans (and elastic waist pants are out of

the question in middle school) This may be a solution. I will find out more

about this.........

Jackie, Mom to 14ds, 11, and Bradley 7

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We've been pretty lucky that can fit into the clothes from Old Navy

and other trendy brands. I've actually had some luck buying nice things for

him at Walmart (dont' tell Tim!!). It's nice to know that Lands End is out

there if we ever need to look there. I haven't looked at their online

catalog, but from what's been written on this listserv for the past few

years is that their stuff is pretty good. We do have problems snapping the

jeans though. We also have to roll up the bottom...I don't sew so hemming

is out of the question.

was blessed by having an older brother. He told me that

would never play soccer or join the boy scouts or wear polo shirts (that was

years ago and TJ was only interested in football and baseball). TJ now

wears polo shirts, but he prefers plaid shirts that are not tucked in. Of

course, his little brother must dress like he does. can spot a

corvette on the road as quickly as TJ does. adores his brother and

TJ likes to have fun with him. I'm going to have one sad little boy next

August when TJ leaves for college. TJ often does tell me how things should

be with .....he can provide insight many times.

I do get comments about how I dress just like his peers. It's rare

that he wears sweat pants (unlike me..I put them on as soon as I get home).

is finally starting to express his desires in what to wear. The

other day I put this Old Navy Fleece sweater on him..it's bright yellow, and

he told me " No, blue " .

Oh well, I am off to do some Christmas shopping tonight. We haven't really

started with the exception of a few online purchases. TJ is watching

and Katey is meeting us at the mall. comes home on

Wednesday...she probably will be with her boyfriend until Thursday.

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We've been pretty lucky that can fit into the clothes from Old Navy

and other trendy brands. I've actually had some luck buying nice things for

him at Walmart (dont' tell Tim!!). It's nice to know that Lands End is out

there if we ever need to look there. I haven't looked at their online

catalog, but from what's been written on this listserv for the past few

years is that their stuff is pretty good. We do have problems snapping the

jeans though. We also have to roll up the bottom...I don't sew so hemming

is out of the question.

was blessed by having an older brother. He told me that

would never play soccer or join the boy scouts or wear polo shirts (that was

years ago and TJ was only interested in football and baseball). TJ now

wears polo shirts, but he prefers plaid shirts that are not tucked in. Of

course, his little brother must dress like he does. can spot a

corvette on the road as quickly as TJ does. adores his brother and

TJ likes to have fun with him. I'm going to have one sad little boy next

August when TJ leaves for college. TJ often does tell me how things should

be with .....he can provide insight many times.

I do get comments about how I dress just like his peers. It's rare

that he wears sweat pants (unlike me..I put them on as soon as I get home).

is finally starting to express his desires in what to wear. The

other day I put this Old Navy Fleece sweater on him..it's bright yellow, and

he told me " No, blue " .

Oh well, I am off to do some Christmas shopping tonight. We haven't really

started with the exception of a few online purchases. TJ is watching

and Katey is meeting us at the mall. comes home on

Wednesday...she probably will be with her boyfriend until Thursday.

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My mom sat with Burke's mom at a luncheon at some conference (can't

remember which one) a few years ago and she made an impression on my mom

that the one thing she did do was to make sure always looked good--she

always dressed him cute and in style. Mac is also always dressed nice--even

on days when nothing special is going on and we're just lounging around the

house--he may just wear a sweatsuit, but it matches and is clean and in good

condition. My mom is also one to buy him nice clothes and she's always

reminding me about what Burke's mom said!

Jill

>

> In the Burke book, " A Special Kind of Hero " , his mother was quoted

as

> saying something along the lines that no matter what, he won't be made fun

of

> for the way he's dressed. I agree with that.

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My mom sat with Burke's mom at a luncheon at some conference (can't

remember which one) a few years ago and she made an impression on my mom

that the one thing she did do was to make sure always looked good--she

always dressed him cute and in style. Mac is also always dressed nice--even

on days when nothing special is going on and we're just lounging around the

house--he may just wear a sweatsuit, but it matches and is clean and in good

condition. My mom is also one to buy him nice clothes and she's always

reminding me about what Burke's mom said!

Jill

>

> In the Burke book, " A Special Kind of Hero " , his mother was quoted

as

> saying something along the lines that no matter what, he won't be made fun

of

> for the way he's dressed. I agree with that.

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Personally I like the Climber pants by Lands End.

as a matter of fact I have 2 pair that Nic grew out of if anyone is interested

in them . Size 3T denim and tan

Di, mom to Jake(19,nda) and 4 (DS)

Pennsylvania

Clothes for kids with DS

Could someone tell me the websites to get clothing that is made to better fit

some of our kids with DS?

Thanks!

Lori Marquette

Mom to Will, 6 yrs. and , 3 yrs. (Child w/DS)

Vice-president, Sharing Down Syndrome Arizona, Inc.

Webmaster, www.sharingds.org

Family website: http://hometown.aol.com/lorimarque/MarquetteFamily.html

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Personally I like the Climber pants by Lands End.

as a matter of fact I have 2 pair that Nic grew out of if anyone is interested

in them . Size 3T denim and tan

Di, mom to Jake(19,nda) and 4 (DS)

Pennsylvania

Clothes for kids with DS

Could someone tell me the websites to get clothing that is made to better fit

some of our kids with DS?

Thanks!

Lori Marquette

Mom to Will, 6 yrs. and , 3 yrs. (Child w/DS)

Vice-president, Sharing Down Syndrome Arizona, Inc.

Webmaster, www.sharingds.org

Family website: http://hometown.aol.com/lorimarque/MarquetteFamily.html

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In a message dated 12/15/01 11:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,

shippd@... writes:

However, if you can find them, it's always best to send them in the latest

in-styles like Nike, Hilfiger, Old Navy, etc.

My wife buys the best clothes for our kids and each morning we send them to

school looking like a million dollars (though worth much more). These clothes

improved our kids self-esteem and won them respect from the

> teachers and admiration from other students.

YIKES!! Now it's my turn to disagree in the strongest terms imaginable!!!!!

I am of 100% the opposite opinion for ALL THREE of my kids - I actively

discourage buying " big name brand " clothing or shoes or anything else. The

last thing I want is for my kids to become obnoxious little label snobs.....

We strongly emphasize to our kids that it's whats INSIDE that counts, not

whose name, or which store name, is on their clothes.

Now, mind you, I don't send my kids to school looking like ragamuffins. I

think it's very possible to dress your kids very nicely in clothes that don't

cost twice as much just because they have a " name " on them. We show them the

difference in price, and the fact that frequently, the quality and

stylishness is the same. Recently in Jim's class, they had an activity where

each kid writes a compliment to each other kid in class on a slip of paper.

In addition to a lot of nice personality-related things, there were also

several comments about " you have great shirts " and " I love your sneakers " .

Most of the shirts and the sneakers were purchased at K-Mart......those that

weren't, came from Wal-Mart.

Last of all, I don't want my kids hanging around with kids that like them

based on what kind of clothes they wear.....or that even CARE what kinds of

clothes they wear. If that makes me an " anti-label snob " , then so be it. I

just think that there are so many more important things in life. I want my

kids to care about being kind to others, about having interesting things to

talk about with their friends, about doing their best at school, and about

having things that they enjoy doing in their free time. Not one of those

things depends one whit on what you wear.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

(who's wearing a sweatshirt and no-label jeans)

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In a message dated 12/15/01 11:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,

shippd@... writes:

However, if you can find them, it's always best to send them in the latest

in-styles like Nike, Hilfiger, Old Navy, etc.

My wife buys the best clothes for our kids and each morning we send them to

school looking like a million dollars (though worth much more). These clothes

improved our kids self-esteem and won them respect from the

> teachers and admiration from other students.

YIKES!! Now it's my turn to disagree in the strongest terms imaginable!!!!!

I am of 100% the opposite opinion for ALL THREE of my kids - I actively

discourage buying " big name brand " clothing or shoes or anything else. The

last thing I want is for my kids to become obnoxious little label snobs.....

We strongly emphasize to our kids that it's whats INSIDE that counts, not

whose name, or which store name, is on their clothes.

Now, mind you, I don't send my kids to school looking like ragamuffins. I

think it's very possible to dress your kids very nicely in clothes that don't

cost twice as much just because they have a " name " on them. We show them the

difference in price, and the fact that frequently, the quality and

stylishness is the same. Recently in Jim's class, they had an activity where

each kid writes a compliment to each other kid in class on a slip of paper.

In addition to a lot of nice personality-related things, there were also

several comments about " you have great shirts " and " I love your sneakers " .

Most of the shirts and the sneakers were purchased at K-Mart......those that

weren't, came from Wal-Mart.

Last of all, I don't want my kids hanging around with kids that like them

based on what kind of clothes they wear.....or that even CARE what kinds of

clothes they wear. If that makes me an " anti-label snob " , then so be it. I

just think that there are so many more important things in life. I want my

kids to care about being kind to others, about having interesting things to

talk about with their friends, about doing their best at school, and about

having things that they enjoy doing in their free time. Not one of those

things depends one whit on what you wear.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

(who's wearing a sweatshirt and no-label jeans)

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In a message dated 12/16/01 10:41:56 AM Central Standard Time,

lauralk38@... writes:

> Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

>

> (who's wearing a sweatshirt and no-label jeans)

HI :)

NO you are not wrong :)

Here at home if a pair shoes cost more than 50 (for tennis shoes) or 25 for

(dress shoes) my kids have to pay the difference. The only thing about

certain labels or stores is the quality of clothes....See I have to wash

clothes a million times for Sara, she doesn't out grow her clothes so they

have to with stand washing and keeping the color. I could have done Gymboree

commercials for her since that was all I'd buy for years....she out grew that

store this year :( both of my sisters have Sara's old clothes and they still

look brand new..........a big plug for Gymboree and my wallet. I also will

not buy anything unless its on sale.........a compulsion my Mom says I have

lol but in my weather area we have a quick turn around for clothes so I can

get clearance clothes that are still seasonal.

I boycotted NIKE for years. We have a plant here and awhile back it hit the

media that it cost 5.00 to make a shoe, and less than an hour to do it paying

the employee 5.00 and hour soooooooo a shoe costing 100.00 to 150.00 was out

of the question.....that's when the 50.00 rule started.

I do shop at Target for some stuff but they do fade after some washing :( and

some stores szs don't work for Sara.

Do you all remember the jeans Sears used to make for little boys??? my son

lived in them 20 years ago, were they 'tough skins " double patched at the

knee heehee

Kathy mom to Sara 10..........Sara doesn't ask for store brands just styles

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In a message dated 12/16/01 10:41:56 AM Central Standard Time,

lauralk38@... writes:

> Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

>

> (who's wearing a sweatshirt and no-label jeans)

HI :)

NO you are not wrong :)

Here at home if a pair shoes cost more than 50 (for tennis shoes) or 25 for

(dress shoes) my kids have to pay the difference. The only thing about

certain labels or stores is the quality of clothes....See I have to wash

clothes a million times for Sara, she doesn't out grow her clothes so they

have to with stand washing and keeping the color. I could have done Gymboree

commercials for her since that was all I'd buy for years....she out grew that

store this year :( both of my sisters have Sara's old clothes and they still

look brand new..........a big plug for Gymboree and my wallet. I also will

not buy anything unless its on sale.........a compulsion my Mom says I have

lol but in my weather area we have a quick turn around for clothes so I can

get clearance clothes that are still seasonal.

I boycotted NIKE for years. We have a plant here and awhile back it hit the

media that it cost 5.00 to make a shoe, and less than an hour to do it paying

the employee 5.00 and hour soooooooo a shoe costing 100.00 to 150.00 was out

of the question.....that's when the 50.00 rule started.

I do shop at Target for some stuff but they do fade after some washing :( and

some stores szs don't work for Sara.

Do you all remember the jeans Sears used to make for little boys??? my son

lived in them 20 years ago, were they 'tough skins " double patched at the

knee heehee

Kathy mom to Sara 10..........Sara doesn't ask for store brands just styles

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Dear Diane:

<< Personally I like the Climber pants by Lands End.

as a matter of fact I have 2 pair that Nic grew out of if anyone is

interested in them . Size 3T denim and tan >> My problem with at age

3, is that he has pretty short legs, and his pants slide right down under his

belly and I don't like how they look. He seems to look the " best " in

overalls!

Lori Marquette

Mom to Will, 6 yrs. and , 3 yrs. (Child w/DS)

Vice-president, Sharing Down Syndrome Arizona, Inc.

Webmaster, www.sharingds.org

Family website: http://hometown.aol.com/lorimarque/MarquetteFamily.html

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Dear Diane:

<< Personally I like the Climber pants by Lands End.

as a matter of fact I have 2 pair that Nic grew out of if anyone is

interested in them . Size 3T denim and tan >> My problem with at age

3, is that he has pretty short legs, and his pants slide right down under his

belly and I don't like how they look. He seems to look the " best " in

overalls!

Lori Marquette

Mom to Will, 6 yrs. and , 3 yrs. (Child w/DS)

Vice-president, Sharing Down Syndrome Arizona, Inc.

Webmaster, www.sharingds.org

Family website: http://hometown.aol.com/lorimarque/MarquetteFamily.html

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<< Do you all remember the jeans Sears used to make for little boys??? my son

lived in them 20 years ago, were they 'tough skins " double patched at the

knee heehee >>

Hey, I need these for my 6 year old who rips through knees so fast! Are they

still around??

Lori Marquette

Mom to Will, 6 yrs. and , 3 yrs. (Child w/DS)

Vice-president, Sharing Down Syndrome Arizona, Inc.

Webmaster, www.sharingds.org

Family website: http://hometown.aol.com/lorimarque/MarquetteFamily.html

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<< Do you all remember the jeans Sears used to make for little boys??? my son

lived in them 20 years ago, were they 'tough skins " double patched at the

knee heehee >>

Hey, I need these for my 6 year old who rips through knees so fast! Are they

still around??

Lori Marquette

Mom to Will, 6 yrs. and , 3 yrs. (Child w/DS)

Vice-president, Sharing Down Syndrome Arizona, Inc.

Webmaster, www.sharingds.org

Family website: http://hometown.aol.com/lorimarque/MarquetteFamily.html

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In a message dated 12/16/01 10:41:56 AM Central Standard Time,

lauralk38@... writes:

> YIKES!! Now it's my turn to disagree in the strongest terms imaginable!!!!!

>

> I am of 100% the opposite opinion for ALL THREE of my kids - I actively

> discourage buying " big name brand " clothing or shoes or anything else. The

>

> last thing I want is for my kids to become obnoxious little label

> snobs.....

> We strongly emphasize to our kids that it's whats INSIDE that counts, not

> whose name, or which store name, is on their clothes.

>

>

,

I don't think I was clear in my post. doesn't have lots of name brand

clothes but I make sure that his clothes are in excellent shape and that he

looks sharp each day. (when he lets me).

Karyn

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In a message dated 12/16/01 10:41:56 AM Central Standard Time,

lauralk38@... writes:

> YIKES!! Now it's my turn to disagree in the strongest terms imaginable!!!!!

>

> I am of 100% the opposite opinion for ALL THREE of my kids - I actively

> discourage buying " big name brand " clothing or shoes or anything else. The

>

> last thing I want is for my kids to become obnoxious little label

> snobs.....

> We strongly emphasize to our kids that it's whats INSIDE that counts, not

> whose name, or which store name, is on their clothes.

>

>

,

I don't think I was clear in my post. doesn't have lots of name brand

clothes but I make sure that his clothes are in excellent shape and that he

looks sharp each day. (when he lets me).

Karyn

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In a message dated 12/16/01 2:36:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, KVanRyzin

writes:

> ,

> I don't think I was clear in my post. doesn't have lots of name brand

> clothes but I make sure that his clothes are in excellent shape and that he

> looks sharp each day. (when he lets me).

>

>

This I agree with 100%.  Again, I wouldn't let any of my kids go to school

looking like a slob.  LOL - although I may have less and less input on this

now that my oldest is nearing 13.......

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In a message dated 12/16/01 2:36:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, KVanRyzin

writes:

> ,

> I don't think I was clear in my post. doesn't have lots of name brand

> clothes but I make sure that his clothes are in excellent shape and that he

> looks sharp each day. (when he lets me).

>

>

This I agree with 100%.  Again, I wouldn't let any of my kids go to school

looking like a slob.  LOL - although I may have less and less input on this

now that my oldest is nearing 13.......

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I am the same way about . I figure she has enough to learn to deal

with, she will never be teased for her clothing. We also spend a little

extra on her and her sister to see that they are in good, nice looking

clothes. Their grandparents also agree and buy nice clothing also.

's teeth are not coming in straight. The same issue of first

impressions applies here. I thought I had found a wonderful orthodontist,

who took time with her and was patient, and she did have a retainer that

corrected a crossbite. When it came time to move on to the next step, he

decided he was too busy. It was going to take effort, he would have to go

to 's dentist' office (2 miles from his office) where they have the

sedation capabilities, to put a spacer in on the bottom, but he decided he

didn't have the time to do this. The orthodontist and I had talked about

our goals for 's teeth. I told him we didn't necessarily want the

perfect " Miss America " teeth, but we also knew she had enough obstacles

ahead of her, and if this is one we can remove, we will. He seemed in

perfect agreement, or at least he said he was. Oh well. We were very

upset, 's dentist was very upset and said he wouldn't recommend to him

anymore. Now that we have moved, I am in the dentist/orthodontist hunt

again.

Sharon

Mom to , (10, DS) and (6)

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I am the same way about . I figure she has enough to learn to deal

with, she will never be teased for her clothing. We also spend a little

extra on her and her sister to see that they are in good, nice looking

clothes. Their grandparents also agree and buy nice clothing also.

's teeth are not coming in straight. The same issue of first

impressions applies here. I thought I had found a wonderful orthodontist,

who took time with her and was patient, and she did have a retainer that

corrected a crossbite. When it came time to move on to the next step, he

decided he was too busy. It was going to take effort, he would have to go

to 's dentist' office (2 miles from his office) where they have the

sedation capabilities, to put a spacer in on the bottom, but he decided he

didn't have the time to do this. The orthodontist and I had talked about

our goals for 's teeth. I told him we didn't necessarily want the

perfect " Miss America " teeth, but we also knew she had enough obstacles

ahead of her, and if this is one we can remove, we will. He seemed in

perfect agreement, or at least he said he was. Oh well. We were very

upset, 's dentist was very upset and said he wouldn't recommend to him

anymore. Now that we have moved, I am in the dentist/orthodontist hunt

again.

Sharon

Mom to , (10, DS) and (6)

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I agree, whenever we go somewhere or just sending him to school I am always

particular about his appearance, just because of the stereotype that " our kids "

are dirty and low income.

I know it sounds ridiculous but that what people think....

Di, mom to Jake(19,nda) and 4 (DS)

Pennsylvania

Re: Clothes for Kids with Ds

In the Burke book, " A Special Kind of Hero " , his mother was quoted as

saying something along the lines that no matter what, he won't be made fun of

for the way he's dressed. I agree with that. I send both boys to school in

nice clothes, and spend the little extra to do it. Kids can be so cruel, and

they will find so many things to tease about. I can't stop it all, but at

least he will be a snazzy dresser. Sounds vain, uppity, shallow, whatever,

but true. He's a great kid, and I can go that extra mile to get him in the

door. His personality can take over after that...Beth

In a message dated 12/15/2001 8:44:47 PM Central Standard Time,

huie@... writes:

> > My wife buys the best clothes for our kids and each morning we send them

> to school looking like a million dollars (though worth much more). I used

> to chide her about this saying how they will be playing out in the mud,

> doing things in PE, spilling stuff on them in art and cafeteria, why not

> send them in regular clothes? Well she was on the right track. These

> clothes improved our kids self-esteem and won them respect from the

> teachers

> and admiration from other students. Everywhere we go in town, someone

> knows

> our kids. And every day at school they get complimented on how they look.

> >

>

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I agree, whenever we go somewhere or just sending him to school I am always

particular about his appearance, just because of the stereotype that " our kids "

are dirty and low income.

I know it sounds ridiculous but that what people think....

Di, mom to Jake(19,nda) and 4 (DS)

Pennsylvania

Re: Clothes for Kids with Ds

In the Burke book, " A Special Kind of Hero " , his mother was quoted as

saying something along the lines that no matter what, he won't be made fun of

for the way he's dressed. I agree with that. I send both boys to school in

nice clothes, and spend the little extra to do it. Kids can be so cruel, and

they will find so many things to tease about. I can't stop it all, but at

least he will be a snazzy dresser. Sounds vain, uppity, shallow, whatever,

but true. He's a great kid, and I can go that extra mile to get him in the

door. His personality can take over after that...Beth

In a message dated 12/15/2001 8:44:47 PM Central Standard Time,

huie@... writes:

> > My wife buys the best clothes for our kids and each morning we send them

> to school looking like a million dollars (though worth much more). I used

> to chide her about this saying how they will be playing out in the mud,

> doing things in PE, spilling stuff on them in art and cafeteria, why not

> send them in regular clothes? Well she was on the right track. These

> clothes improved our kids self-esteem and won them respect from the

> teachers

> and admiration from other students. Everywhere we go in town, someone

> knows

> our kids. And every day at school they get complimented on how they look.

> >

>

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>

> << Do you all remember the jeans Sears used to make for little boys??? my

son

> lived in them 20 years ago, were they 'tough skins " double patched at the

> knee heehee >>

Lori, et al

You can buy the stuff to iron inside the jeans or pants to save those knees

from wearing out. We had tough skin jeans for TJ, too...had to. is

not tht rough.

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