Re: Need Help ASAP...ATTEN. Kent

[Guest guest]

Hi Ona,

I would like to say, congratulations on seeing thier manipulation before it

actually begins. :-) Some times we who should know better don't see it

until we've let it go to far.

My suggestion would be to just have him sit on the toilet during the same

time that the rest of the class goes, if necessary time wise perhaps he could

leave a few mins earlier then the rest. bascially went at the same time

as the rest, tho she was taken to a more private bathroom, and she was never

forced to sit for 20 min. taken off and then forced to sit again. It sounds

alot like the teacher has decided to do that potty training in a day

thing....I think the staff who are pushing this should do it all day first

then decide if it's appropriate torcher for a child. :-/ If he's not

having alot of accidents WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? and even if he was having alot

of accidents....isn't that one reason he has a TA available????

Personally from the discription of this 'program' it is something that

should only be done at home if the parents decide it is the right approach.

Joy

[Guest guest]

Hi Ona,

I would like to say, congratulations on seeing thier manipulation before it

actually begins. :-) Some times we who should know better don't see it

until we've let it go to far.

My suggestion would be to just have him sit on the toilet during the same

time that the rest of the class goes, if necessary time wise perhaps he could

leave a few mins earlier then the rest. bascially went at the same time

as the rest, tho she was taken to a more private bathroom, and she was never

forced to sit for 20 min. taken off and then forced to sit again. It sounds

alot like the teacher has decided to do that potty training in a day

thing....I think the staff who are pushing this should do it all day first

then decide if it's appropriate torcher for a child. :-/ If he's not

having alot of accidents WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? and even if he was having alot

of accidents....isn't that one reason he has a TA available????

Personally from the discription of this 'program' it is something that

should only be done at home if the parents decide it is the right approach.

Joy

[Guest guest]

Sounds abusive to me. She can always change her mind and call another

meeting and tell them that this is abuse. Lots of kids with DS are potty

trained late. Boys just don't always object to the feeling:)) was

5.

Elaine

Need Help ASAP...ATTEN. Kent

> HI

>

> I need some emails with stories about your kids and potty training. This

is

> the problem, a friend of mine called me yesterday. She was worn and

frazzled

> at her sons IEP meeting and mistakenly agreed to this " Potty Plan " they

want

> to do. After giving it much thought she knew this was wrong, for her son

or

> any other kid.

>

> They are wanting to put this 6 yr. old kindergartner on the potty for 20

> mins, then off for 10 mins while he consumes salty products and lots of

> water....then back to the toilet for another 20 mins. This will go on all

day

> because they have told her that if her son is not potty trained he'll

never

> be. That at the age of 15 he'll still be in pull-ups UGGGGGGGGGGGGG major

> scream here. Sara was not potty trained fully until Jan of this year, she

was

> schedule trained for a few years but while in Kindy she was in pull-ups.

This

> sweet little boy is not having accidents at school, in fact he holds it

all

> day and then goes at his sitters house, I know this because I used to be

his

> sitter

>

> You know every time I think Ive heard it all I get hit with something as

> ridiculous as this IMHO I cannot see this as anything but a violation to

his

> FAPE (like when is he going to get his reading lesson????) Ive already

told

> her to call human services, this might be a form of child abuse or

neglect.

>

> Please send any emails that would help this Mom or emails she can pass on

to

> this school (Sara's old school ugggggg) ......please send. She needs to

get

> this taken care of by Monday....D Day for this potty plan and a sore rear

end.

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9..........mom's name is Ona Jol432@... and she's on

> digest to this list

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds abusive to me. She can always change her mind and call another

meeting and tell them that this is abuse. Lots of kids with DS are potty

trained late. Boys just don't always object to the feeling:)) was

5.

Elaine

Need Help ASAP...ATTEN. Kent

> HI

>

> I need some emails with stories about your kids and potty training. This

is

> the problem, a friend of mine called me yesterday. She was worn and

frazzled

> at her sons IEP meeting and mistakenly agreed to this " Potty Plan " they

want

> to do. After giving it much thought she knew this was wrong, for her son

or

> any other kid.

>

> They are wanting to put this 6 yr. old kindergartner on the potty for 20

> mins, then off for 10 mins while he consumes salty products and lots of

> water....then back to the toilet for another 20 mins. This will go on all

day

> because they have told her that if her son is not potty trained he'll

never

> be. That at the age of 15 he'll still be in pull-ups UGGGGGGGGGGGGG major

> scream here. Sara was not potty trained fully until Jan of this year, she

was

> schedule trained for a few years but while in Kindy she was in pull-ups.

This

> sweet little boy is not having accidents at school, in fact he holds it

all

> day and then goes at his sitters house, I know this because I used to be

his

> sitter

>

> You know every time I think Ive heard it all I get hit with something as

> ridiculous as this IMHO I cannot see this as anything but a violation to

his

> FAPE (like when is he going to get his reading lesson????) Ive already

told

> her to call human services, this might be a form of child abuse or

neglect.

>

> Please send any emails that would help this Mom or emails she can pass on

to

> this school (Sara's old school ugggggg) ......please send. She needs to

get

> this taken care of by Monday....D Day for this potty plan and a sore rear

end.

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9..........mom's name is Ona Jol432@... and she's on

> digest to this list

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I call this bizzare discipline and very cruel. Someone needs to report this

so the school will never do this to any child.

[Guest guest]

I call this bizzare discipline and very cruel. Someone needs to report this

so the school will never do this to any child.

[Guest guest]

Sounds like educator brain disconnect to me. Yes, you should have him

visit the potty regularly at timed intervals so you can catch him doing

what he needs to do there and then reinforce strongly that he did it

right, but you don't need to just leave him there all day. That's nuts.

Better to observe when he seems likely to need the potty and coordinate

visits with likely use to catch in the first place and to keep catching

until he gets the idea. If he has to stay on it that long, he'll

probably start to hate it and maybe have more accidents.

The salt and water consumption is a bad idea--does he have any cardiac

problems? Bet his cardiologist wouldn't go for all that unnecessary

salt consumption--and what are they gonna do if he isn't interested in

consuming it?

She should tell them she has reconsidered and is revoking consent (in

writing) to this half-baked plan until they align it with reality.

And why on earth if he has no accidents at school are they even pursuing

this??? Are they using it as a half-baked potato goal so they look like

they're educating him in something (whether he needs it or not)?

Judi

Need Help ASAP...ATTEN. Kent

HI

I need some emails with stories about your kids and potty training. This

is

the problem, a friend of mine called me yesterday. She was worn and

frazzled

at her sons IEP meeting and mistakenly agreed to this " Potty Plan " they

want

to do. After giving it much thought she knew this was wrong, for her son

or

any other kid.

They are wanting to put this 6 yr. old kindergartner on the potty for 20

mins, then off for 10 mins while he consumes salty products and lots of

water....then back to the toilet for another 20 mins. This will go on

all day

because they have told her that if her son is not potty trained he'll

never

be. That at the age of 15 he'll still be in pull-ups UGGGGGGGGGGGGG

major

scream here. Sara was not potty trained fully until Jan of this year,

she was

schedule trained for a few years but while in Kindy she was in pull-ups.

This

sweet little boy is not having accidents at school, in fact he holds it

all

day and then goes at his sitters house, I know this because I used to be

his

sitter

You know every time I think Ive heard it all I get hit with something as

ridiculous as this IMHO I cannot see this as anything but a violation to

his

FAPE (like when is he going to get his reading lesson????) Ive already

told

her to call human services, this might be a form of child abuse or

neglect.

Please send any emails that would help this Mom or emails she can pass

on to

this school (Sara's old school ugggggg) ......please send. She needs to

get

this taken care of by Monday....D Day for this potty plan and a sore

rear end.

Kathy mom to Sara 9..........mom's name is Ona Jol432@... and she's

on

digest to this list

Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

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[Guest guest]

Sounds like educator brain disconnect to me. Yes, you should have him

visit the potty regularly at timed intervals so you can catch him doing

what he needs to do there and then reinforce strongly that he did it

right, but you don't need to just leave him there all day. That's nuts.

Better to observe when he seems likely to need the potty and coordinate

visits with likely use to catch in the first place and to keep catching

until he gets the idea. If he has to stay on it that long, he'll

probably start to hate it and maybe have more accidents.

The salt and water consumption is a bad idea--does he have any cardiac

problems? Bet his cardiologist wouldn't go for all that unnecessary

salt consumption--and what are they gonna do if he isn't interested in

consuming it?

She should tell them she has reconsidered and is revoking consent (in

writing) to this half-baked plan until they align it with reality.

And why on earth if he has no accidents at school are they even pursuing

this??? Are they using it as a half-baked potato goal so they look like

they're educating him in something (whether he needs it or not)?

Judi

Need Help ASAP...ATTEN. Kent

HI

I need some emails with stories about your kids and potty training. This

is

the problem, a friend of mine called me yesterday. She was worn and

frazzled

at her sons IEP meeting and mistakenly agreed to this " Potty Plan " they

want

to do. After giving it much thought she knew this was wrong, for her son

or

any other kid.

They are wanting to put this 6 yr. old kindergartner on the potty for 20

mins, then off for 10 mins while he consumes salty products and lots of

water....then back to the toilet for another 20 mins. This will go on

all day

because they have told her that if her son is not potty trained he'll

never

be. That at the age of 15 he'll still be in pull-ups UGGGGGGGGGGGGG

major

scream here. Sara was not potty trained fully until Jan of this year,

she was

schedule trained for a few years but while in Kindy she was in pull-ups.

This

sweet little boy is not having accidents at school, in fact he holds it

all

day and then goes at his sitters house, I know this because I used to be

his

sitter

You know every time I think Ive heard it all I get hit with something as

ridiculous as this IMHO I cannot see this as anything but a violation to

his

FAPE (like when is he going to get his reading lesson????) Ive already

told

her to call human services, this might be a form of child abuse or

neglect.

Please send any emails that would help this Mom or emails she can pass

on to

this school (Sara's old school ugggggg) ......please send. She needs to

get

this taken care of by Monday....D Day for this potty plan and a sore

rear end.

Kathy mom to Sara 9..........mom's name is Ona Jol432@... and she's

on

digest to this list

Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

[Guest guest]

I certainly hope she is going to request a new IEP and get this changed ASAP.

If I were her I would call (and follow up in writing) and tell them that

she has some health concerns about the program and ask them to hold off until

after she consults with her Ped. This will buy her some time. At the same

time request another IEP meeting,,(which will occur within 10

days.....LOL).....and change the program at that point.

[Guest guest]

I certainly hope she is going to request a new IEP and get this changed ASAP.

If I were her I would call (and follow up in writing) and tell them that

she has some health concerns about the program and ask them to hold off until

after she consults with her Ped. This will buy her some time. At the same

time request another IEP meeting,,(which will occur within 10

days.....LOL).....and change the program at that point.

[Guest guest]

It sounds very much like an aberration of the method described in the

book Toilet Training in A Day (or something like that), which was

developed over 25 years ago for special ed kids. In its day, it was

considered to be a real break-through. Personally, I could never buy

into it for my own children.

Bev

wrote:I call this bizzare discipline and very cruel. Someone

needs to report thisso the school will never do this to any child.

[Guest guest]

It sounds very much like an aberration of the method described in the

book Toilet Training in A Day (or something like that), which was

developed over 25 years ago for special ed kids. In its day, it was

considered to be a real break-through. Personally, I could never buy

into it for my own children.

Bev

wrote:I call this bizzare discipline and very cruel. Someone

needs to report thisso the school will never do this to any child.