Re: appoints Bozo head of spec ed comm'n

November 8, 2001

In a message dated 11/8/2001 11:43:02 AM Central Standard Time,

amyp@... writes:

> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/schools_1-16.html

OK, does this idiot need a hammer against the head, or what? Beth

November 8, 2001

In a message dated 11/8/2001 11:43:02 AM Central Standard Time,

amyp@... writes:

> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/schools_1-16.html

OK, does this idiot need a hammer against the head, or what? Beth

November 8, 2001

How can we get to this guy? This is horrifying.

Jackie, Mom to 14ds

November 8, 2001

How can we get to this guy? This is horrifying.

Jackie, Mom to 14ds

November 8, 2001

Hey I cant read the transcripts right now because im in a rush, but any one

of us should hav been appointed and we can tell the whole country, well the

whole world a thing or two, and keep the money flowing for our kids!!!!

~ mom to amanda 11 ds and jesse 7 NY

November 8, 2001

Hey I cant read the transcripts right now because im in a rush, but any one

of us should hav been appointed and we can tell the whole country, well the

whole world a thing or two, and keep the money flowing for our kids!!!!

~ mom to amanda 11 ds and jesse 7 NY

November 8, 2001

Oh, yeah, sounds like a Bozo all right. Any of us could do better

than that! Jessie

November 8, 2001

Oh, yeah, sounds like a Bozo all right. Any of us could do better

than that! Jessie

November 8, 2001

In a message dated 11/8/01 11:52:08 AM Central Standard Time, djackht@...

writes:

> OK, does this idiot need a hammer against the head, or what? Beth

>

> the trouble is an awful lot of people would agree with him. And they

> don't want the regular kids to have to give up sports or school trips or

> extra things. They consider that more important. This is like putting the

> fox in charge of thes chicken coop.

November 8, 2001

In a message dated 11/8/01 11:52:08 AM Central Standard Time, djackht@...

writes:

> OK, does this idiot need a hammer against the head, or what? Beth

>

> the trouble is an awful lot of people would agree with him. And they

> don't want the regular kids to have to give up sports or school trips or

> extra things. They consider that more important. This is like putting the

> fox in charge of thes chicken coop.

November 8, 2001

What an a**.

I recall reading something about this " spec ed " $$ . I believe that the $$

wasn't even seen by the spec ed dept.

Many of our older kids are out their working and learning to support

themselves. I see many teens/young adult w/ds working at fast food

restaurants etc...so does this mean we shouldn't educate any individual who

works for minimum wage?

Maura

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----Original Message Follows----

From: " Amy Petulla " <amyp@...>

" Gibbens " <macgiobuin@...>, " Cecelia "

<candkcox@...>, <SPECED-L@...>, " "

< >

Subject: appoints Bozo head of spec ed comm'n

Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:40:37 -0500

Thanks a bunch, . Does anybody know if this guy has any experience

with or knowledge of special education whatsoever???

Amy

Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:19 PM

Subject: FYI: more trouble on the Education horizon

> Some bad news for education

>>

>> Gov. Branstad (former governor of Iowa) has been

>> appointed to serve as chair

>> of the Administration's new special education

>> commission.

>>

>> Following is a quote from Gov Branstad (Iowa) from

>> an interview transcript.

>> The entire transcript is available at:

>>

>http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/schools_1-16.html

>>

>> GOV. TERRY BRANSTAD: In our state nearly 60 percent

>> of the budget goes for

>> education. And what we find is people are willing to

>> invest in quality

>> education, but theyb> They want to see results.

>> They want to see achievement for the dollars that

>> they put in. I think that

>> the federal government in its mandates in the area

>> of special ed has driven

>> up costs needlessly. I think that needs to be

>> reviewed. I want to see every

>> child have an opportunity to learn. All special ed

>> children do have a right

>> to an education, but to spend tens of thousands of

>> dollars on kids that

>> really are not going to be able to support

>> themselves or be able to really

>> learn a great deal at the expense of the general

>> education of the rest of the

>> students is not fair. And so that has to be

>> addressed. A lot of people are

>> afraid of it, of being, you know, accused of being

>> insensitive or whatever. I

>> was in Sioux City, Iowa, yesterday, and I heard from

>> a Teacher of the Year,

>> Mounts, who had been Teacher of the Year, and

>> the superintendent there

>> about how their school is being squeezed because of

>> the federal mandates in

>> the area of special ed and how there needs to be

>> more flexibility and

>> latitude given to local school districts in that

>> area.

>

>__________________________________________________

>

November 8, 2001

What an a**.

I recall reading something about this " spec ed " $$ . I believe that the $$

wasn't even seen by the spec ed dept.

Many of our older kids are out their working and learning to support

themselves. I see many teens/young adult w/ds working at fast food

restaurants etc...so does this mean we shouldn't educate any individual who

works for minimum wage?

Maura

Log on to- http://www.igive.com/lindseyrae. Each time you purchase from this

site, a percentage is donated to the Lindsey Rae Foundation(a non-profit

organization for children with Down Syndrome). Plus, your purchase maybe

tax deductible.

----Original Message Follows----

From: " Amy Petulla " <amyp@...>

" Gibbens " <macgiobuin@...>, " Cecelia "

<candkcox@...>, <SPECED-L@...>, " "

< >

Subject: appoints Bozo head of spec ed comm'n

Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:40:37 -0500

Thanks a bunch, . Does anybody know if this guy has any experience

with or knowledge of special education whatsoever???

Amy

Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:19 PM

Subject: FYI: more trouble on the Education horizon

> Some bad news for education

>>

>> Gov. Branstad (former governor of Iowa) has been

>> appointed to serve as chair

>> of the Administration's new special education

>> commission.

>>

>> Following is a quote from Gov Branstad (Iowa) from

>> an interview transcript.

>> The entire transcript is available at:

>>

>http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/schools_1-16.html

>>

>> GOV. TERRY BRANSTAD: In our state nearly 60 percent

>> of the budget goes for

>> education. And what we find is people are willing to

>> invest in quality

>> education, but theyb> They want to see results.

>> They want to see achievement for the dollars that

>> they put in. I think that

>> the federal government in its mandates in the area

>> of special ed has driven

>> up costs needlessly. I think that needs to be

>> reviewed. I want to see every

>> child have an opportunity to learn. All special ed

>> children do have a right

>> to an education, but to spend tens of thousands of

>> dollars on kids that

>> really are not going to be able to support

>> themselves or be able to really

>> learn a great deal at the expense of the general

>> education of the rest of the

>> students is not fair. And so that has to be

>> addressed. A lot of people are

>> afraid of it, of being, you know, accused of being

>> insensitive or whatever. I

>> was in Sioux City, Iowa, yesterday, and I heard from

>> a Teacher of the Year,

>> Mounts, who had been Teacher of the Year, and

>> the superintendent there

>> about how their school is being squeezed because of

>> the federal mandates in

>> the area of special ed and how there needs to be

>> more flexibility and

>> latitude given to local school districts in that

>> area.

>

>__________________________________________________

>

November 8, 2001

In a message dated 11/8/2001 7:24:29 PM Central Standard Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

<< the ADA whenever they get

the chance. I know which side my bread is buttered on. >>

ADA would never has passed out of congress wtihout the republicans, since

many southern democrats, including former VP Gore's daddy, voted against it.

:-)

I have read a few different lists, on which ADA lawsuits are

mentioned....personally having the same type of impairment as some of those

sueing under ADA, I really think that they're extorting the whole amendment.

Joy

November 8, 2001

In a message dated 11/8/2001 7:24:29 PM Central Standard Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

<< the ADA whenever they get

the chance. I know which side my bread is buttered on. >>

ADA would never has passed out of congress wtihout the republicans, since

many southern democrats, including former VP Gore's daddy, voted against it.

:-)

I have read a few different lists, on which ADA lawsuits are

mentioned....personally having the same type of impairment as some of those

sueing under ADA, I really think that they're extorting the whole amendment.

Joy

November 8, 2001

Much sped money in years passed has NOT gone to the kids with special

educational needs. The powers that be have put the money into regular ed.

labeling courses such as PE, music, and art as " specials " to keep from

having to use the money where it was earmarked. I know that Alaska and

Missouri did this in the past. Our kids don't cost thousands of dollars if

the educators do sped properly. It may be all patriotic to like Shrub right

now, but I know what republicans do to IDEA and the ADA whenever they get

the chance. I know which side my bread is buttered on.

Elaine

FYI: more trouble on the Education horizon

>

> > Some bad news for education

> >>

> >> Gov. Branstad (former governor of Iowa) has been

> >> appointed to serve as chair

> >> of the Administration's new special education

> >> commission.

> >>

> >> Following is a quote from Gov Branstad (Iowa) from

> >> an interview transcript.

> >> The entire transcript is available at:

> >>

> >http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/schools_1-16.html

> >>

> >> GOV. TERRY BRANSTAD: In our state nearly 60 percent

> >> of the budget goes for

> >> education. And what we find is people are willing to

> >> invest in quality

> >> education, but theyb> They want to see results.

> >> They want to see achievement for the dollars that

> >> they put in. I think that

> >> the federal government in its mandates in the area

> >> of special ed has driven

> >> up costs needlessly. I think that needs to be

> >> reviewed. I want to see every

> >> child have an opportunity to learn. All special ed

> >> children do have a right

> >> to an education, but to spend tens of thousands of

> >> dollars on kids that

> >> really are not going to be able to support

> >> themselves or be able to really

> >> learn a great deal at the expense of the general

> >> education of the rest of the

> >> students is not fair. And so that has to be

> >> addressed. A lot of people are

> >> afraid of it, of being, you know, accused of being

> >> insensitive or whatever. I

> >> was in Sioux City, Iowa, yesterday, and I heard from

> >> a Teacher of the Year,

> >> Mounts, who had been Teacher of the Year, and

> >> the superintendent there

> >> about how their school is being squeezed because of

> >> the federal mandates in

> >> the area of special ed and how there needs to be

> >> more flexibility and

> >> latitude given to local school districts in that

> >> area.

> >

> >__________________________________________________

> >

November 8, 2001

Much sped money in years passed has NOT gone to the kids with special

educational needs. The powers that be have put the money into regular ed.

labeling courses such as PE, music, and art as " specials " to keep from

having to use the money where it was earmarked. I know that Alaska and

Missouri did this in the past. Our kids don't cost thousands of dollars if

the educators do sped properly. It may be all patriotic to like Shrub right

now, but I know what republicans do to IDEA and the ADA whenever they get

the chance. I know which side my bread is buttered on.

Elaine

FYI: more trouble on the Education horizon

>

> > Some bad news for education

> >>

> >> Gov. Branstad (former governor of Iowa) has been

> >> appointed to serve as chair

> >> of the Administration's new special education

> >> commission.

> >>

> >> Following is a quote from Gov Branstad (Iowa) from

> >> an interview transcript.

> >> The entire transcript is available at:

> >>

> >http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/schools_1-16.html

> >>

> >> GOV. TERRY BRANSTAD: In our state nearly 60 percent

> >> of the budget goes for

> >> education. And what we find is people are willing to

> >> invest in quality

> >> education, but theyb> They want to see results.

> >> They want to see achievement for the dollars that

> >> they put in. I think that

> >> the federal government in its mandates in the area

> >> of special ed has driven

> >> up costs needlessly. I think that needs to be

> >> reviewed. I want to see every

> >> child have an opportunity to learn. All special ed

> >> children do have a right

> >> to an education, but to spend tens of thousands of

> >> dollars on kids that

> >> really are not going to be able to support

> >> themselves or be able to really

> >> learn a great deal at the expense of the general

> >> education of the rest of the

> >> students is not fair. And so that has to be

> >> addressed. A lot of people are

> >> afraid of it, of being, you know, accused of being

> >> insensitive or whatever. I

> >> was in Sioux City, Iowa, yesterday, and I heard from

> >> a Teacher of the Year,

> >> Mounts, who had been Teacher of the Year, and

> >> the superintendent there

> >> about how their school is being squeezed because of

> >> the federal mandates in

> >> the area of special ed and how there needs to be

> >> more flexibility and

> >> latitude given to local school districts in that

> >> area.

> >

> >__________________________________________________

> >

November 8, 2001

When we lived in IA, sped certainly wasn't anything to brag about. When our son

was 6, we were told by a state official that things wouldn't change in time to

help our son. After various " battles " for several years, we moved to MN.

O.

wrote:

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

November 8, 2001

When we lived in IA, sped certainly wasn't anything to brag about. When our son

was 6, we were told by a state official that things wouldn't change in time to

help our son. After various " battles " for several years, we moved to MN.

O.

wrote:

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

November 9, 2001

Here in VA, the city keeps stats on how many children are labeled so that

they receive a stipend from the pool of money the feds distribute. Two years

ago when I checked, that amount was about $300.00 per student. Not really

much to cover the cost of extra transportation costs, extra teaching staff,

extra AT, extra therapies, and extra administration that are associated with

special education. How sad that schools would misuse that paltry amount for

something else.

Our local media reports that the average cost difference for educating a

special ed student vs regular ed student is $10,000.00 vs $5,000.00. This

difference is paid by the local government from their school budget. That's

why parents have such a hard time obtaining services here, because the cost

is borne by the community and our staff have to be accountable to the local

politicians. The costs affiliated with special education have long been

touted as a source of deprivation in education programs for regular ed and

gifted students. It's a regular story here every fall and spring. I am

waiting for the fallout to come when schools start blaming special education

students for the schools not receiving their accreditation on our statewide

SOL assessments. I never see stories about the exorbitant cost of football

programs here, whose only purpose is to showcase a few star athletes to allow

them to receive offers from colleges, even though the games are not

supported by the public or the students, with the majority of the fans being

the parents of the players.

Cheryl in VA

November 9, 2001