Re: Social/vocational/age issues

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/28/2001 9:11:16 AM Central Daylight Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

<<

This is interesting about Ashcroft, wasn't he the one who fought the two

young men who wanted to live out on their own? oooh what was that Supreme

Court case??? my mind is blank right now lol

Kathy mom to Sara 9

>>

I thought that ccase was in Vir. or W Vir. or someplace more on the east

coast Kathy....not Miss or whereever Ashcroft is from.

Joy (who joins you with cRS) hehe. :-)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/28/2001 9:11:16 AM Central Daylight Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

<<

This is interesting about Ashcroft, wasn't he the one who fought the two

young men who wanted to live out on their own? oooh what was that Supreme

Court case??? my mind is blank right now lol

Kathy mom to Sara 9

>>

I thought that ccase was in Vir. or W Vir. or someplace more on the east

coast Kathy....not Miss or whereever Ashcroft is from.

Joy (who joins you with cRS) hehe. :-)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/28/01 5:43:40 AM Central Daylight Time, Wildwards writes:

> How many of your school systems try to put your kids in these tracks at age

> 5, when they leave preschool? For the kids placed in TMR at age 5, this

> means they will NEVER receive any academic curriculum!

>

>

This is exactly what would have happened to in public school.

Yet when another mother and I visited those classes, wasn't even old

enough to start there and he was already ahead of what they had teenagers

learning. It was pitiful. They even made placement over the phone when they

hear " DS " .

Jessie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/28/01 5:43:40 AM Central Daylight Time, Wildwards writes:

> How many of your school systems try to put your kids in these tracks at age

> 5, when they leave preschool? For the kids placed in TMR at age 5, this

> means they will NEVER receive any academic curriculum!

>

>

This is exactly what would have happened to in public school.

Yet when another mother and I visited those classes, wasn't even old

enough to start there and he was already ahead of what they had teenagers

learning. It was pitiful. They even made placement over the phone when they

hear " DS " .

Jessie

[Guest guest]

Ashcroft is from Missouri, a former governor and senator. The

only reason he is now attorney general is that he lost the election last

November to a dead man, and they had to give him some job. Mel Carnahan, who

was governor then, was running against him for senator and he was killed in a

small plane crash 3 or 4 weeks before the election. Too late to take his

name off the ballot, but awfully hard to keep slinging mud at a dead man.

The widow, Carnahan, agreed to take his place if he won. So she is now

senator. Ashcroft accepted defeat gracefully but Kit Bond, the other senator

made a real fool of himself over it.

Jessie

[Guest guest]

Ashcroft is from Missouri, a former governor and senator. The

only reason he is now attorney general is that he lost the election last

November to a dead man, and they had to give him some job. Mel Carnahan, who

was governor then, was running against him for senator and he was killed in a

small plane crash 3 or 4 weeks before the election. Too late to take his

name off the ballot, but awfully hard to keep slinging mud at a dead man.

The widow, Carnahan, agreed to take his place if he won. So she is now

senator. Ashcroft accepted defeat gracefully but Kit Bond, the other senator

made a real fool of himself over it.

Jessie

[Guest guest]

the labels here are emi, tmi, etc. (educable mentally impaired, trainable

mentally impaired). these are determined by iq test, even tho we all know

that those are not that accurate.

kerrie

[Guest guest]

the labels here are emi, tmi, etc. (educable mentally impaired, trainable

mentally impaired). these are determined by iq test, even tho we all know

that those are not that accurate.

kerrie

[Guest guest]

Ashcroft is from Missouri. The case was in Georgia. Ashcroft has come out

against the ADA many times and is in favor of the IDEA amendments. He's so

far to the right that if the earth were flat, he'd fall off the edge.

Elaine

Re: Social/vocational/age issues

> In a message dated 9/28/2001 9:11:16 AM Central Daylight Time,

> b4alltoday@... writes:

>

> <<

> This is interesting about Ashcroft, wasn't he the one who fought the two

> young men who wanted to live out on their own? oooh what was that Supreme

> Court case??? my mind is blank right now lol

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9

> >>

> I thought that ccase was in Vir. or W Vir. or someplace more on the east

> coast Kathy....not Miss or whereever Ashcroft is from.

>

> Joy (who joins you with cRS) hehe. :-)

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ashcroft is from Missouri. The case was in Georgia. Ashcroft has come out

against the ADA many times and is in favor of the IDEA amendments. He's so

far to the right that if the earth were flat, he'd fall off the edge.

Elaine

Re: Social/vocational/age issues

> In a message dated 9/28/2001 9:11:16 AM Central Daylight Time,

> b4alltoday@... writes:

>

> <<

> This is interesting about Ashcroft, wasn't he the one who fought the two

> young men who wanted to live out on their own? oooh what was that Supreme

> Court case??? my mind is blank right now lol

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9

> >>

> I thought that ccase was in Vir. or W Vir. or someplace more on the east

> coast Kathy....not Miss or whereever Ashcroft is from.

>

> Joy (who joins you with cRS) hehe. :-)

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

I'm a little late in responding to this, but here it is anyway. What you

wrote is great and very well put. We should all have high expectations for

our children, and i mean all our children. my son, non ds wants to be a

magician. should i discourage him???? 's goals and needs change from

year to year or sooner. Like now that she does well academically, i want her

to focus on her socialization.

I always knew she would be a reader, and she can do some math and her writing

is really improving. Now she's been doing more on her own and building her

confidence and self esteem. A few years ago, i would have never believed

that she would be where she is. but if i didnt keep up, keep trying and

working and encouraging her, then where would she be now???? She has some

friends ( were working on forming good friendships) and they are kids with

and without disabilities. I look at some of the older kids like yours and

michael who now works in chilis and then my hopes and expectations rise and

are strong again.

just recently got her own room. A few years ago, i could not imagine

her in her own room taking care of it and herself. But shes there and loves

it and its hers!!! She can listen to her music there and read and be alone

(away from her brother) and be the person she is becoming.

I think we all have hopes and dreams for all our children. They should

always be encouraged (in our cases, we have to encourage more, work

harder....) and always re-evaluate their goals. After all, how many of us

have decided what we want to be when we grow up????

- mom to amanda 11 ds and jesse 7

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

I'm a little late in responding to this, but here it is anyway. What you

wrote is great and very well put. We should all have high expectations for

our children, and i mean all our children. my son, non ds wants to be a

magician. should i discourage him???? 's goals and needs change from

year to year or sooner. Like now that she does well academically, i want her

to focus on her socialization.

I always knew she would be a reader, and she can do some math and her writing

is really improving. Now she's been doing more on her own and building her

confidence and self esteem. A few years ago, i would have never believed

that she would be where she is. but if i didnt keep up, keep trying and

working and encouraging her, then where would she be now???? She has some

friends ( were working on forming good friendships) and they are kids with

and without disabilities. I look at some of the older kids like yours and

michael who now works in chilis and then my hopes and expectations rise and

are strong again.

just recently got her own room. A few years ago, i could not imagine

her in her own room taking care of it and herself. But shes there and loves

it and its hers!!! She can listen to her music there and read and be alone

(away from her brother) and be the person she is becoming.

I think we all have hopes and dreams for all our children. They should

always be encouraged (in our cases, we have to encourage more, work

harder....) and always re-evaluate their goals. After all, how many of us

have decided what we want to be when we grow up????

- mom to amanda 11 ds and jesse 7

[Guest guest]

As someone who works in the entertainment industry - and was seriously

discouraged form going into this profession in school - my advice would be

that if wants to be a magician then encourage him. But at the same

time always remind him that he is wanting to enter a difficult profession and

so make sure that he gets a good education. The world will then be his

oyster.

Same goes for . Of course she will be employable. She has a good

mother who will make sure that she will find a good job that she is capable

of doing.

I was served by a girl with DS in Macs in Titusville Fla the last time

I was there. No I wasn't shocked, just ecstatically happy that MacD's were

responsible employers who didn't appear to be discriminatory. In my

experience most children with DS are employable - well, when they grow up -

lol.

Allyson

[Guest guest]

As someone who works in the entertainment industry - and was seriously

discouraged form going into this profession in school - my advice would be

that if wants to be a magician then encourage him. But at the same

time always remind him that he is wanting to enter a difficult profession and

so make sure that he gets a good education. The world will then be his

oyster.

Same goes for . Of course she will be employable. She has a good

mother who will make sure that she will find a good job that she is capable

of doing.

I was served by a girl with DS in Macs in Titusville Fla the last time

I was there. No I wasn't shocked, just ecstatically happy that MacD's were

responsible employers who didn't appear to be discriminatory. In my

experience most children with DS are employable - well, when they grow up -

lol.

Allyson