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In a message dated 9/28/2001 11:32:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

<< ..I don't know what Im waiting on lolol >>

Being head procastinator I could tell you it's cause you work best under

pressure.........but I won't. heheehehe

Joy

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HI Sissy (that's the name my younger girls call their older sister :)

What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive done in the past. Can

they still give out those labels you were talking about?

Kathy mom to Sara 9

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HI Sissy (that's the name my younger girls call their older sister :)

What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive done in the past. Can

they still give out those labels you were talking about?

Kathy mom to Sara 9

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--- b4alltoday@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/28/01 5:45:16 AM Central

> Daylight Time,

> wildwards@... writes:

>

> > Now how about a poll for those of you with kids

> still in school.

> > How many are in school systems where categorical

> labels are used for the

> MR

> > kids? Here TMR means trainable and no child in

> those classes receives any

> > academic curriculum ... it is totally functional.

> EMR means educatable

> and

> > there is a minimum of academic curriculum,

> totally dependent on what

> > materials a teacher has in her room, no regular

> curriculum exposure unless

> a

> >

> > parent demands it.

>

There are labels in our district. The labels come

from the psych testing to determine if the child

" qualifies " for sped services. My child's label was

EMH (educable menatlly handicapped), now they are more

politically correct ( I am guessing this is what they

think) as now it is referred to as EMD (educable

mentally delayed).

My child has always been in a " regular " classroom and

taught the same curriculum. Necessary supports of

course. Has this been easy?? Never. Always have to

fight. Has it been worth it? You betcha. He almost

passed the state standardized testing!!

We will face middle school next year, we will start

all over with teachers, admin, etc. Gotta get them

trained ;) let the games begin....

mho,

sissy

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--- b4alltoday@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/28/01 5:45:16 AM Central

> Daylight Time,

> wildwards@... writes:

>

> > Now how about a poll for those of you with kids

> still in school.

> > How many are in school systems where categorical

> labels are used for the

> MR

> > kids? Here TMR means trainable and no child in

> those classes receives any

> > academic curriculum ... it is totally functional.

> EMR means educatable

> and

> > there is a minimum of academic curriculum,

> totally dependent on what

> > materials a teacher has in her room, no regular

> curriculum exposure unless

> a

> >

> > parent demands it.

>

There are labels in our district. The labels come

from the psych testing to determine if the child

" qualifies " for sped services. My child's label was

EMH (educable menatlly handicapped), now they are more

politically correct ( I am guessing this is what they

think) as now it is referred to as EMD (educable

mentally delayed).

My child has always been in a " regular " classroom and

taught the same curriculum. Necessary supports of

course. Has this been easy?? Never. Always have to

fight. Has it been worth it? You betcha. He almost

passed the state standardized testing!!

We will face middle school next year, we will start

all over with teachers, admin, etc. Gotta get them

trained ;) let the games begin....

mho,

sissy

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In a message dated 10/6/2001 5:43:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

sissybsc@... writes:

> What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive

> > done in the past. Can

> > they still give out those labels you were talking

> > about?

>

Maverick was tested for preschool. He earned the label " MMR " Mild Mental

Retardation. Since preschool I have refused testing and his label remains

the same. He is in 5th grade now.

His placement is NOT based on his label becuase we fought for full inclusion

and are ignoring the label.

They did try to tell us that a child with that label learns best in the

self-contained classroom...and we have had so much fun these 5 years showing

them differently!

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In a message dated 10/6/2001 5:43:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

sissybsc@... writes:

> What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive

> > done in the past. Can

> > they still give out those labels you were talking

> > about?

>

Maverick was tested for preschool. He earned the label " MMR " Mild Mental

Retardation. Since preschool I have refused testing and his label remains

the same. He is in 5th grade now.

His placement is NOT based on his label becuase we fought for full inclusion

and are ignoring the label.

They did try to tell us that a child with that label learns best in the

self-contained classroom...and we have had so much fun these 5 years showing

them differently!

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In a message dated 10/6/2001 9:04:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> <<Maverick was tested for preschool. He earned the label " MMR " Mild Mental

> Retardation. Since preschool I have refused testing and his label remains

> the same. He is in 5th grade now.

> His placement is NOT based on his label becuase we fought for full

> inclusion

> and are ignoring the label. >>

They can perform the pysch tests and then just look at the subtests and

take their data from that, rather than formulating the tests into an IQ

score. I know a mom who said she will admit to a label of MR without the

testing, thereby making the IQ testing unnecessary! ;-)

<<> They did try to tell us that a child with that label learns best in the

> self-contained classroom...and we have had so much fun these 5 years

> showing

> them differently! >>

That's assumptions, not looking at an individual and their needs. What

does a classroom have to do with what a child learns? I wonder how many of

the children in your self contained classrooms have access to the regular ed

curriculum?

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 10/6/2001 9:04:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> <<Maverick was tested for preschool. He earned the label " MMR " Mild Mental

> Retardation. Since preschool I have refused testing and his label remains

> the same. He is in 5th grade now.

> His placement is NOT based on his label becuase we fought for full

> inclusion

> and are ignoring the label. >>

They can perform the pysch tests and then just look at the subtests and

take their data from that, rather than formulating the tests into an IQ

score. I know a mom who said she will admit to a label of MR without the

testing, thereby making the IQ testing unnecessary! ;-)

<<> They did try to tell us that a child with that label learns best in the

> self-contained classroom...and we have had so much fun these 5 years

> showing

> them differently! >>

That's assumptions, not looking at an individual and their needs. What

does a classroom have to do with what a child learns? I wonder how many of

the children in your self contained classrooms have access to the regular ed

curriculum?

Cheryl in VA

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Rick,

I am not even going to get into the inclusion/self-contained battle with you.

There are pro's and con's...good situations and bad situations on both

sides.

The point of my email was that MY school district, tries to use the label to

place the student in the self-contained classroom, without really LOOKING at

what would be the best for THAT INDIVIDUAL CHILD!!

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Rick,

I am not even going to get into the inclusion/self-contained battle with you.

There are pro's and con's...good situations and bad situations on both

sides.

The point of my email was that MY school district, tries to use the label to

place the student in the self-contained classroom, without really LOOKING at

what would be the best for THAT INDIVIDUAL CHILD!!

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--- B4alltoday@... wrote:

> HI Sissy (that's the name my younger girls call

> their older sister :)

>

> What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive

> done in the past. Can

> they still give out those labels you were talking

> about?

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9

I don't think so Kathy, around here the label is given

as a result of the testing...but if they don't test

the kids, they say they can't quailify them for

services. I let them test my son in first grade, but

this is when I was new to all of this and knew very

little. He is in fifth grade this year and A LOT has

changed since then ;)

sissy

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--- B4alltoday@... wrote:

> HI Sissy (that's the name my younger girls call

> their older sister :)

>

> What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive

> done in the past. Can

> they still give out those labels you were talking

> about?

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9

I don't think so Kathy, around here the label is given

as a result of the testing...but if they don't test

the kids, they say they can't quailify them for

services. I let them test my son in first grade, but

this is when I was new to all of this and knew very

little. He is in fifth grade this year and A LOT has

changed since then ;)

sissy

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Everyone please remember, the IDEA states that you

cannot place a child based upon his/her label. The

label may be used to quailfy for services and may help

guide teaching approaches, mods, etc. Despite having

an EMD label, my child has always been in a regular

education classroom, I refuse any other placement ( we

have battled this over the years, but it has been

worth it, he is learning soooo much). He is in fifth

grade this year.

sissy

--- JB66111@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/28/01 8:04:09 AM Central

> Daylight Time,

> wildwards@... writes:

>

>

> > severe and profound

> > and there ends up being no life skills, no

> academics, no verbalization

> > except

> > from teachers. School can be a nightmare!

> > Cheryl

> >

> Kathy, please don't move there!!!!!!!!!

> Jessie

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Everyone please remember, the IDEA states that you

cannot place a child based upon his/her label. The

label may be used to quailfy for services and may help

guide teaching approaches, mods, etc. Despite having

an EMD label, my child has always been in a regular

education classroom, I refuse any other placement ( we

have battled this over the years, but it has been

worth it, he is learning soooo much). He is in fifth

grade this year.

sissy

--- JB66111@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/28/01 8:04:09 AM Central

> Daylight Time,

> wildwards@... writes:

>

>

> > severe and profound

> > and there ends up being no life skills, no

> academics, no verbalization

> > except

> > from teachers. School can be a nightmare!

> > Cheryl

> >

> Kathy, please don't move there!!!!!!!!!

> Jessie

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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,

You imply that 'they' believe that a child with Maverick's label learns

best in a self-contained classroom while you havehad fiveyears of

inclusion.. While you may well be right, you can't laugh at them

because there is no 'double blind' study that really proves which is

better for learning. Yes, there is a lot of theory on both sides.

Either full inclusion or self-contained classroom can be awful and

correspondingly, either can be wonderful. If both are good, then the

question is what things you value for Maverick to learn. The inclusive

classroom is better socially (or at least that is what I'm told to

believe) while the self-contained classroom might be better with

academics if run wiith excellence. Either or both can be bad.

This whole arena is one of compromises. There is no 'one size fits all'

and so much depends upon the variables of child/parents/school.

Rick .......... been there.

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,

You imply that 'they' believe that a child with Maverick's label learns

best in a self-contained classroom while you havehad fiveyears of

inclusion.. While you may well be right, you can't laugh at them

because there is no 'double blind' study that really proves which is

better for learning. Yes, there is a lot of theory on both sides.

Either full inclusion or self-contained classroom can be awful and

correspondingly, either can be wonderful. If both are good, then the

question is what things you value for Maverick to learn. The inclusive

classroom is better socially (or at least that is what I'm told to

believe) while the self-contained classroom might be better with

academics if run wiith excellence. Either or both can be bad.

This whole arena is one of compromises. There is no 'one size fits all'

and so much depends upon the variables of child/parents/school.

Rick .......... been there.

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