Guest guest Posted September 29, 2001 Report Share Posted September 29, 2001 In a message dated 9/28/2001 11:32:07 PM Central Daylight Time, b4alltoday@... writes: << ..I don't know what Im waiting on lolol >> Being head procastinator I could tell you it's cause you work best under pressure.........but I won't. heheehehe Joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2001 Report Share Posted September 29, 2001 HI Sissy (that's the name my younger girls call their older sister What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive done in the past. Can they still give out those labels you were talking about? Kathy mom to Sara 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2001 Report Share Posted September 29, 2001 HI Sissy (that's the name my younger girls call their older sister What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive done in the past. Can they still give out those labels you were talking about? Kathy mom to Sara 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2001 Report Share Posted September 29, 2001 --- b4alltoday@... wrote: > In a message dated 9/28/01 5:45:16 AM Central > Daylight Time, > wildwards@... writes: > > > Now how about a poll for those of you with kids > still in school. > > How many are in school systems where categorical > labels are used for the > MR > > kids? Here TMR means trainable and no child in > those classes receives any > > academic curriculum ... it is totally functional. > EMR means educatable > and > > there is a minimum of academic curriculum, > totally dependent on what > > materials a teacher has in her room, no regular > curriculum exposure unless > a > > > > parent demands it. > There are labels in our district. The labels come from the psych testing to determine if the child " qualifies " for sped services. My child's label was EMH (educable menatlly handicapped), now they are more politically correct ( I am guessing this is what they think) as now it is referred to as EMD (educable mentally delayed). My child has always been in a " regular " classroom and taught the same curriculum. Necessary supports of course. Has this been easy?? Never. Always have to fight. Has it been worth it? You betcha. He almost passed the state standardized testing!! We will face middle school next year, we will start all over with teachers, admin, etc. Gotta get them trained let the games begin.... mho, sissy __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2001 Report Share Posted September 29, 2001 --- b4alltoday@... wrote: > In a message dated 9/28/01 5:45:16 AM Central > Daylight Time, > wildwards@... writes: > > > Now how about a poll for those of you with kids > still in school. > > How many are in school systems where categorical > labels are used for the > MR > > kids? Here TMR means trainable and no child in > those classes receives any > > academic curriculum ... it is totally functional. > EMR means educatable > and > > there is a minimum of academic curriculum, > totally dependent on what > > materials a teacher has in her room, no regular > curriculum exposure unless > a > > > > parent demands it. > There are labels in our district. The labels come from the psych testing to determine if the child " qualifies " for sped services. My child's label was EMH (educable menatlly handicapped), now they are more politically correct ( I am guessing this is what they think) as now it is referred to as EMD (educable mentally delayed). My child has always been in a " regular " classroom and taught the same curriculum. Necessary supports of course. Has this been easy?? Never. Always have to fight. Has it been worth it? You betcha. He almost passed the state standardized testing!! We will face middle school next year, we will start all over with teachers, admin, etc. Gotta get them trained let the games begin.... mho, sissy __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 In a message dated 9/29/2001 8:53:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, b4alltoday@... writes: > Can > they still give out those labels you were talking about? > yes! Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 In a message dated 9/29/2001 8:53:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, b4alltoday@... writes: > Can > they still give out those labels you were talking about? > yes! Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 In a message dated 10/6/2001 5:43:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, sissybsc@... writes: > What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive > > done in the past. Can > > they still give out those labels you were talking > > about? > Maverick was tested for preschool. He earned the label " MMR " Mild Mental Retardation. Since preschool I have refused testing and his label remains the same. He is in 5th grade now. His placement is NOT based on his label becuase we fought for full inclusion and are ignoring the label. They did try to tell us that a child with that label learns best in the self-contained classroom...and we have had so much fun these 5 years showing them differently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 In a message dated 10/6/2001 5:43:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, sissybsc@... writes: > What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive > > done in the past. Can > > they still give out those labels you were talking > > about? > Maverick was tested for preschool. He earned the label " MMR " Mild Mental Retardation. Since preschool I have refused testing and his label remains the same. He is in 5th grade now. His placement is NOT based on his label becuase we fought for full inclusion and are ignoring the label. They did try to tell us that a child with that label learns best in the self-contained classroom...and we have had so much fun these 5 years showing them differently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 In a message dated 10/6/2001 9:04:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michdock@... writes: > <<Maverick was tested for preschool. He earned the label " MMR " Mild Mental > Retardation. Since preschool I have refused testing and his label remains > the same. He is in 5th grade now. > His placement is NOT based on his label becuase we fought for full > inclusion > and are ignoring the label. >> They can perform the pysch tests and then just look at the subtests and take their data from that, rather than formulating the tests into an IQ score. I know a mom who said she will admit to a label of MR without the testing, thereby making the IQ testing unnecessary! ;-) <<> They did try to tell us that a child with that label learns best in the > self-contained classroom...and we have had so much fun these 5 years > showing > them differently! >> That's assumptions, not looking at an individual and their needs. What does a classroom have to do with what a child learns? I wonder how many of the children in your self contained classrooms have access to the regular ed curriculum? Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 In a message dated 10/6/2001 9:04:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michdock@... writes: > <<Maverick was tested for preschool. He earned the label " MMR " Mild Mental > Retardation. Since preschool I have refused testing and his label remains > the same. He is in 5th grade now. > His placement is NOT based on his label becuase we fought for full > inclusion > and are ignoring the label. >> They can perform the pysch tests and then just look at the subtests and take their data from that, rather than formulating the tests into an IQ score. I know a mom who said she will admit to a label of MR without the testing, thereby making the IQ testing unnecessary! ;-) <<> They did try to tell us that a child with that label learns best in the > self-contained classroom...and we have had so much fun these 5 years > showing > them differently! >> That's assumptions, not looking at an individual and their needs. What does a classroom have to do with what a child learns? I wonder how many of the children in your self contained classrooms have access to the regular ed curriculum? Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Rick, I am not even going to get into the inclusion/self-contained battle with you. There are pro's and con's...good situations and bad situations on both sides. The point of my email was that MY school district, tries to use the label to place the student in the self-contained classroom, without really LOOKING at what would be the best for THAT INDIVIDUAL CHILD!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Rick, I am not even going to get into the inclusion/self-contained battle with you. There are pro's and con's...good situations and bad situations on both sides. The point of my email was that MY school district, tries to use the label to place the student in the self-contained classroom, without really LOOKING at what would be the best for THAT INDIVIDUAL CHILD!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 --- B4alltoday@... wrote: > HI Sissy (that's the name my younger girls call > their older sister > > What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive > done in the past. Can > they still give out those labels you were talking > about? > > Kathy mom to Sara 9 I don't think so Kathy, around here the label is given as a result of the testing...but if they don't test the kids, they say they can't quailify them for services. I let them test my son in first grade, but this is when I was new to all of this and knew very little. He is in fifth grade this year and A LOT has changed since then sissy __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 --- B4alltoday@... wrote: > HI Sissy (that's the name my younger girls call > their older sister > > What if a parent refuses the psych test...which Ive > done in the past. Can > they still give out those labels you were talking > about? > > Kathy mom to Sara 9 I don't think so Kathy, around here the label is given as a result of the testing...but if they don't test the kids, they say they can't quailify them for services. I let them test my son in first grade, but this is when I was new to all of this and knew very little. He is in fifth grade this year and A LOT has changed since then sissy __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Everyone please remember, the IDEA states that you cannot place a child based upon his/her label. The label may be used to quailfy for services and may help guide teaching approaches, mods, etc. Despite having an EMD label, my child has always been in a regular education classroom, I refuse any other placement ( we have battled this over the years, but it has been worth it, he is learning soooo much). He is in fifth grade this year. sissy --- JB66111@... wrote: > In a message dated 9/28/01 8:04:09 AM Central > Daylight Time, > wildwards@... writes: > > > > severe and profound > > and there ends up being no life skills, no > academics, no verbalization > > except > > from teachers. School can be a nightmare! > > Cheryl > > > Kathy, please don't move there!!!!!!!!! > Jessie > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Everyone please remember, the IDEA states that you cannot place a child based upon his/her label. The label may be used to quailfy for services and may help guide teaching approaches, mods, etc. Despite having an EMD label, my child has always been in a regular education classroom, I refuse any other placement ( we have battled this over the years, but it has been worth it, he is learning soooo much). He is in fifth grade this year. sissy --- JB66111@... wrote: > In a message dated 9/28/01 8:04:09 AM Central > Daylight Time, > wildwards@... writes: > > > > severe and profound > > and there ends up being no life skills, no > academics, no verbalization > > except > > from teachers. School can be a nightmare! > > Cheryl > > > Kathy, please don't move there!!!!!!!!! > Jessie > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 , You imply that 'they' believe that a child with Maverick's label learns best in a self-contained classroom while you havehad fiveyears of inclusion.. While you may well be right, you can't laugh at them because there is no 'double blind' study that really proves which is better for learning. Yes, there is a lot of theory on both sides. Either full inclusion or self-contained classroom can be awful and correspondingly, either can be wonderful. If both are good, then the question is what things you value for Maverick to learn. The inclusive classroom is better socially (or at least that is what I'm told to believe) while the self-contained classroom might be better with academics if run wiith excellence. Either or both can be bad. This whole arena is one of compromises. There is no 'one size fits all' and so much depends upon the variables of child/parents/school. Rick .......... been there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 , You imply that 'they' believe that a child with Maverick's label learns best in a self-contained classroom while you havehad fiveyears of inclusion.. While you may well be right, you can't laugh at them because there is no 'double blind' study that really proves which is better for learning. Yes, there is a lot of theory on both sides. Either full inclusion or self-contained classroom can be awful and correspondingly, either can be wonderful. If both are good, then the question is what things you value for Maverick to learn. The inclusive classroom is better socially (or at least that is what I'm told to believe) while the self-contained classroom might be better with academics if run wiith excellence. Either or both can be bad. This whole arena is one of compromises. There is no 'one size fits all' and so much depends upon the variables of child/parents/school. Rick .......... been there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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