Re: Funny Meg story yet kinda sad in general

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In a message dated 9/18/01 8:09:45 AM Central Daylight Time,

Kent_Moreno@... writes:

> So for all you parents out there, go out and get a good book on the

> accomplishments of women ( " Cool Women " is a good one) and read it to your

> sons and duaghters!!!!!!!!!!!

>

>

> Take Care,

>

>

> Kent

Thank You Kent I guess I assumed they are learning this in school, NOT....

obviously

Kaite's in the library weekly with her daddy, who is a big book reader. Ill

put this on her to read list heehee his too

Kathy mom to Sara 9...........who has 3 daughters

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In a message dated 9/18/01 8:09:45 AM Central Daylight Time,

Kent_Moreno@... writes:

> So for all you parents out there, go out and get a good book on the

> accomplishments of women ( " Cool Women " is a good one) and read it to your

> sons and duaghters!!!!!!!!!!!

>

>

> Take Care,

>

>

> Kent

Thank You Kent I guess I assumed they are learning this in school, NOT....

obviously

Kaite's in the library weekly with her daddy, who is a big book reader. Ill

put this on her to read list heehee his too

Kathy mom to Sara 9...........who has 3 daughters

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In a message dated 09/18/2001 9:09:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Kent_Moreno@... writes:

<< but a sad one in that girls are not being taught about

the accomplishments of women. Is it any wonder that many women (and men)

even today, view women as inferior to men or that women should have only

that of a subservient or a supportive role to a male. >>

You assume the students are not being provided with this information. In

fact, in our schools they are. Realize they are being taught but they choose

not to retain that knowledge. Could be they don't feel it is important in

their lives. Of course, I think putting famous people on money is one of the

best ways to have people remember their names! ;-)

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 09/18/2001 9:09:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Kent_Moreno@... writes:

<< but a sad one in that girls are not being taught about

the accomplishments of women. Is it any wonder that many women (and men)

even today, view women as inferior to men or that women should have only

that of a subservient or a supportive role to a male. >>

You assume the students are not being provided with this information. In

fact, in our schools they are. Realize they are being taught but they choose

not to retain that knowledge. Could be they don't feel it is important in

their lives. Of course, I think putting famous people on money is one of the

best ways to have people remember their names! ;-)

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

Hi,

First of all I kinda chuckled when I read about meg and her poor limitations

of TV. Right now we have no TV. So we are trying many other ways to

entertain ourselves - games, cards, reading and read alouds.

Second, as a woman and a teacher, I do dedicate at least a month (Women's

History Month in March) to read biographies and do research on famous women

in our history. I also read alot of stories where girls are the main

character and they are strong and independent.

Next, I think that girls are not complacent. Not here. They know they can

do what ever they set out to do. Many moms work and have careers. Many dads

cook and do housework (at least thats how it is here in my house!!!!)

Girls play sports now as part of their growing up. We never had a soccer

team to play on when I was growing up. One of the biggest things that I

fought for (as a feminist) in JHS was the right for us to wear pants!!!! Can

you imagine that someone had to fight for that???? Our girls now - take many

of their rights for granted because our generation before established those

rights that now they are second nature.

It's like when I read about Parks to my class, they are in disbelief

that black people had to sit in the back of the bus and had to use different

water fountains. They argue with me - no way that didnt happen!!!!

See, so my point to all this is that I think we have made strides and made a

difference especially for girls who know they really can be and do anything

they want to.

Maybe not everywhere, but in the cities, for sure.

~ Mom to 11 DS who wants to be a cook/waitress and a librarian

and 7 who wants to be a magician and a cyclones baseball player (that

is the mets farm team!!!)

[Guest guest]

Hi,

First of all I kinda chuckled when I read about meg and her poor limitations

of TV. Right now we have no TV. So we are trying many other ways to

entertain ourselves - games, cards, reading and read alouds.

Second, as a woman and a teacher, I do dedicate at least a month (Women's

History Month in March) to read biographies and do research on famous women

in our history. I also read alot of stories where girls are the main

character and they are strong and independent.

Next, I think that girls are not complacent. Not here. They know they can

do what ever they set out to do. Many moms work and have careers. Many dads

cook and do housework (at least thats how it is here in my house!!!!)

Girls play sports now as part of their growing up. We never had a soccer

team to play on when I was growing up. One of the biggest things that I

fought for (as a feminist) in JHS was the right for us to wear pants!!!! Can

you imagine that someone had to fight for that???? Our girls now - take many

of their rights for granted because our generation before established those

rights that now they are second nature.

It's like when I read about Parks to my class, they are in disbelief

that black people had to sit in the back of the bus and had to use different

water fountains. They argue with me - no way that didnt happen!!!!

See, so my point to all this is that I think we have made strides and made a

difference especially for girls who know they really can be and do anything

they want to.

Maybe not everywhere, but in the cities, for sure.

~ Mom to 11 DS who wants to be a cook/waitress and a librarian

and 7 who wants to be a magician and a cyclones baseball player (that

is the mets farm team!!!)

[Guest guest]

If the girls were asked about famous men, would they have had the answers?

No, I'm not a chauvanist...lol...just playing devil's advocate.

Kent, here in VA the children do learn about famous women and girls are

encouraged to reach for the stars. I also had to wear dresses in grade

school and sports were not encouraged for girls. Come junior high, I played

football for an all girls team.

However, I think if a girl wants to grow up and be a mom and home maker, more

power to her!! The saddest thing about our society is that many women are

made to feel bad if they do not have a career. Personally, I love to work

and that is my choice. But my first job and priority is my family and my day

job supports that philosophy!

[Guest guest]

If the girls were asked about famous men, would they have had the answers?

No, I'm not a chauvanist...lol...just playing devil's advocate.

Kent, here in VA the children do learn about famous women and girls are

encouraged to reach for the stars. I also had to wear dresses in grade

school and sports were not encouraged for girls. Come junior high, I played

football for an all girls team.

However, I think if a girl wants to grow up and be a mom and home maker, more

power to her!! The saddest thing about our society is that many women are

made to feel bad if they do not have a career. Personally, I love to work

and that is my choice. But my first job and priority is my family and my day

job supports that philosophy!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/18/2001 8:01:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

linman42@... writes:

> Girls play sports now as part of their growing up. We never had a soccer

> team to play on when I was growing up. One of the biggest things that I

> fought for (as a feminist) in JHS was the right for us to wear pants!!!!

> Can

> you imagine that someone had to fight for that???? Our girls now - take

> many

> of their rights for granted because our generation before established those

> rights that now they are second nature.

>

Good Grief I dind't think you were that much older then me. LOL We

began to wear pants to school when I was in like 4th grade, proably about 9

or 10. :-)

Oh and I played sports in hs.

Joy

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In a message dated 9/18/2001 8:01:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

linman42@... writes:

> Girls play sports now as part of their growing up. We never had a soccer

> team to play on when I was growing up. One of the biggest things that I

> fought for (as a feminist) in JHS was the right for us to wear pants!!!!

> Can

> you imagine that someone had to fight for that???? Our girls now - take

> many

> of their rights for granted because our generation before established those

> rights that now they are second nature.

>

Good Grief I dind't think you were that much older then me. LOL We

began to wear pants to school when I was in like 4th grade, proably about 9

or 10. :-)

Oh and I played sports in hs.

Joy

[Guest guest]

,

I did forget to mention that I feel like I didnt have a choice to stay home

and be a mom because financially I had to work. So some of my contemporaries

who chose careers and to have children later, didnt get the luxury of staying

home either. At least as a teacher, I do get a lot of vaca time to spend

with my kids and regret when I do have to go back to work.

But you are right! That should always be an option and for men as well, hey

stay home dads, Ralph has done that!!!! And quite well, I might add.

[Guest guest]

,

I did forget to mention that I feel like I didnt have a choice to stay home

and be a mom because financially I had to work. So some of my contemporaries

who chose careers and to have children later, didnt get the luxury of staying

home either. At least as a teacher, I do get a lot of vaca time to spend

with my kids and regret when I do have to go back to work.

But you are right! That should always be an option and for men as well, hey

stay home dads, Ralph has done that!!!! And quite well, I might add.

[Guest guest]

Joy,

See I broke the ground for ya!!!!! Girls playing sports in JHS or HS was not

big when I went to school. But now its awesome. 4 year olds can play

soccer, hockey, t- ball, whatever. Most teams are coed especially for the

youngest kids. and will both be playing soccer this fall and

opening day is this Saturday. has always had girls on all his teams

and amanda is usually on all girls teams.

And joy, I really dont think I am that much older!!!! LOL

[Guest guest]

Joy,

See I broke the ground for ya!!!!! Girls playing sports in JHS or HS was not

big when I went to school. But now its awesome. 4 year olds can play

soccer, hockey, t- ball, whatever. Most teams are coed especially for the

youngest kids. and will both be playing soccer this fall and

opening day is this Saturday. has always had girls on all his teams

and amanda is usually on all girls teams.

And joy, I really dont think I am that much older!!!! LOL

[Guest guest]

This is really sad Kent. I kept wondering why young women didn't see any

need to continue to fight for women's rights. They are rather complacent.

My young neighbor who cuts hair in her home to make some extra income told

me that her husband was not the kind of man who helps around the house. I

wanted to scream at her--HELP, this is his home too. She quit work to stay

home with their infant and he won't " help. " When I go home to Oxford,

Alabama, it is like going into a time warp. The girls wear entirely too

much makeup, wear the big hair, and strive the be the best Golden Girl (kick

line) they can be. When my niece ran for office in the student election

(they run the city for a day), she ran and was elected to the office of

secretary to the mayor. My daughter asked her " Why didn't you run for

mayor? " My niece had to explain the reality of life there. When I was a

teen, girls were forced to take home economics, boys took science. It was

against the law at that time but no one would have made waves. One would be

totally ostracized. I wanted to be an astronaut. I was laughed at. I was

very angry when I found out that Sally Ride (first woman astronaut) was my

age. My husband said something about wanting to move back home when we were

last there. My mind was screaming " NO WAY. " I can't live like that. I'm a

woman, a liberal Democrat, a Roman Catholic, and a parent advocate.

would not be better off there and neither would I. Thanks for the book

suggestion. I used to read all kinds of biographies of famous women when I

was a girl. They always had to go through a lot of adversity to be taken

seriously. Sorry for the soapbox and the Russian novel:))

Elaine

Funny Meg story yet kinda sad in general

> Hi!

>

>

> Funny story yet in a more general way, somewhat sad - as most of you

> know, I coach my daughter Meg's (age 10 nda) soccer team. To make the

> practices fun, there are a number of games which also build skills. One

> of the games, Terminator, has all the team members exept for 1 in a large

> square each with a soccer ball. The reamaining player does not have a

> soccer ball and is the " terminator " . Her job is to go around kicking the

> other kids soccer balls out of the square. Anyway to make it educational,

> I always ask a trivia question to see who gets to be the terminator. We

> played about 6 games of terminator last night. Being that I am coaching

> girls, I thought I would focus on the accomplishments of women. First

> question: " Name a woman who helped fight for women to gain the right to

> vote? " Only Meg knew the answer and I wouldn't let her answer. Even when

> I gave them " B. " They still didn't know who she was. Meg was

> finally so exasperated, she yelled out " B. and

> Cady Stanton! " Then she says " you have to understand, my parents limit my

> tv time so I have to pass the time by reading " Next question: " Name a

> famous Women author? " Again, no one but Meg and she wasn't allowed to

> answer. Finally, someone said J.K. Rowley (Harry Potter author). Good

> enough! Next question: " Name the woman who sewed the first American

> flag " Again, no one but Meg until I gave them her first name and then

> someone yelled out " Roth, Betsy Roth! " Good enough. Finally in

> exasperation, my next question was " Name a famous dead person. " Meg

> yells out " Shakespeare " The only other answer was " Dale Earnhardt " Meg

> says again " I have limited tv time so I read a lot. " It's a funny story

> from the perspective of Meg saying how we " limit her tv time and thus she

> is forced to read " but a sad one in that girls are not being taught about

> the accomplishments of women. Is it any wonder that many women (and men)

> even today, view women as inferior to men or that women should have only

> that of a subservient or a supportive role to a male.

>

> So for all you parents out there, go out and get a good book on the

> accomplishments of women ( " Cool Women " is a good one) and read it to your

> sons and duaghters!!!!!!!!!!!

>

>

> Take Care,

>

>

> Kent

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is really sad Kent. I kept wondering why young women didn't see any

need to continue to fight for women's rights. They are rather complacent.

My young neighbor who cuts hair in her home to make some extra income told

me that her husband was not the kind of man who helps around the house. I

wanted to scream at her--HELP, this is his home too. She quit work to stay

home with their infant and he won't " help. " When I go home to Oxford,

Alabama, it is like going into a time warp. The girls wear entirely too

much makeup, wear the big hair, and strive the be the best Golden Girl (kick

line) they can be. When my niece ran for office in the student election

(they run the city for a day), she ran and was elected to the office of

secretary to the mayor. My daughter asked her " Why didn't you run for

mayor? " My niece had to explain the reality of life there. When I was a

teen, girls were forced to take home economics, boys took science. It was

against the law at that time but no one would have made waves. One would be

totally ostracized. I wanted to be an astronaut. I was laughed at. I was

very angry when I found out that Sally Ride (first woman astronaut) was my

age. My husband said something about wanting to move back home when we were

last there. My mind was screaming " NO WAY. " I can't live like that. I'm a

woman, a liberal Democrat, a Roman Catholic, and a parent advocate.

would not be better off there and neither would I. Thanks for the book

suggestion. I used to read all kinds of biographies of famous women when I

was a girl. They always had to go through a lot of adversity to be taken

seriously. Sorry for the soapbox and the Russian novel:))

Elaine

Funny Meg story yet kinda sad in general

> Hi!

>

>

> Funny story yet in a more general way, somewhat sad - as most of you

> know, I coach my daughter Meg's (age 10 nda) soccer team. To make the

> practices fun, there are a number of games which also build skills. One

> of the games, Terminator, has all the team members exept for 1 in a large

> square each with a soccer ball. The reamaining player does not have a

> soccer ball and is the " terminator " . Her job is to go around kicking the

> other kids soccer balls out of the square. Anyway to make it educational,

> I always ask a trivia question to see who gets to be the terminator. We

> played about 6 games of terminator last night. Being that I am coaching

> girls, I thought I would focus on the accomplishments of women. First

> question: " Name a woman who helped fight for women to gain the right to

> vote? " Only Meg knew the answer and I wouldn't let her answer. Even when

> I gave them " B. " They still didn't know who she was. Meg was

> finally so exasperated, she yelled out " B. and

> Cady Stanton! " Then she says " you have to understand, my parents limit my

> tv time so I have to pass the time by reading " Next question: " Name a

> famous Women author? " Again, no one but Meg and she wasn't allowed to

> answer. Finally, someone said J.K. Rowley (Harry Potter author). Good

> enough! Next question: " Name the woman who sewed the first American

> flag " Again, no one but Meg until I gave them her first name and then

> someone yelled out " Roth, Betsy Roth! " Good enough. Finally in

> exasperation, my next question was " Name a famous dead person. " Meg

> yells out " Shakespeare " The only other answer was " Dale Earnhardt " Meg

> says again " I have limited tv time so I read a lot. " It's a funny story

> from the perspective of Meg saying how we " limit her tv time and thus she

> is forced to read " but a sad one in that girls are not being taught about

> the accomplishments of women. Is it any wonder that many women (and men)

> even today, view women as inferior to men or that women should have only

> that of a subservient or a supportive role to a male.

>

> So for all you parents out there, go out and get a good book on the

> accomplishments of women ( " Cool Women " is a good one) and read it to your

> sons and duaghters!!!!!!!!!!!

>

>

> Take Care,

>

>

> Kent

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/19/2001 3:11:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

<< My daughter

certainly takes it for granted that she can vote, that she does not have to

be supported financially by someone else, that she can choose the career of

her choice, that she can have an education, etc. >>

PBS had a special on recently, simply entitled School. ( I think) Several

parts to the show. Anyway, a girlfriend and I were watching and called each

other immediately when we saw the statistics for how many women were employed

in 1970 and in what jobs. Less than 7% ( ok, I am hoping my memory is

correct here) were doctors and lawyers. Isn't that just hard to believe????

We've come a long way baby!

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/19/2001 3:11:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

<< My daughter

certainly takes it for granted that she can vote, that she does not have to

be supported financially by someone else, that she can choose the career of

her choice, that she can have an education, etc. >>

PBS had a special on recently, simply entitled School. ( I think) Several

parts to the show. Anyway, a girlfriend and I were watching and called each

other immediately when we saw the statistics for how many women were employed

in 1970 and in what jobs. Less than 7% ( ok, I am hoping my memory is

correct here) were doctors and lawyers. Isn't that just hard to believe????

We've come a long way baby!

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

> wanted to scream at her--HELP, this is his home too. She quit work to

stay

> home with their infant and he won't " help. "

This irks me too. My other pet peeve is when fathers say (or woman say

about their husbands) that they are babysitting the kids. Father don't

babysit their own children!!!

R.

Mom to (7, ds) and Grace (4)

[Guest guest]

> wanted to scream at her--HELP, this is his home too. She quit work to

stay

> home with their infant and he won't " help. "

This irks me too. My other pet peeve is when fathers say (or woman say

about their husbands) that they are babysitting the kids. Father don't

babysit their own children!!!

R.

Mom to (7, ds) and Grace (4)

[Guest guest]

linman42@... wrote:

>

> Next, I think that girls are not complacent. Not here. They know they

can

> do what ever they set out to do. Many moms work and have careers. Many

dads

> cook and do housework (at least thats how it is here in my house!!!!)

>

> One of the biggest things that I fought for (as a feminist) in JHS was

the right for us to wear pants!!!! Can you imagine that someone had to

fight for that???? Our girls now - take many

> of their rights for granted because our generation before established

those

> rights that now they are second nature.

, You made my point. I used complacent to mean that they are

satisfied, take things for granted. They take it for granted that we had to

fight to wear pants. It would be freezing outside when I was a kid and I

envied the boys their right to wear pants and stay warm. My daughter

certainly takes it for granted that she can vote, that she does not have to

be supported financially by someone else, that she can choose the career of

her choice, that she can have an education, etc.

Elaine

> Maybe not everywhere, but in the cities, for sure.

>

> ~ Mom to 11 DS who wants to be a cook/waitress and a

librarian

> and 7 who wants to be a magician and a cyclones baseball player

(that

> is the mets farm team!!!)

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

linman42@... wrote:

>

> Next, I think that girls are not complacent. Not here. They know they

can

> do what ever they set out to do. Many moms work and have careers. Many

dads

> cook and do housework (at least thats how it is here in my house!!!!)

>

> One of the biggest things that I fought for (as a feminist) in JHS was

the right for us to wear pants!!!! Can you imagine that someone had to

fight for that???? Our girls now - take many

> of their rights for granted because our generation before established

those

> rights that now they are second nature.

, You made my point. I used complacent to mean that they are

satisfied, take things for granted. They take it for granted that we had to

fight to wear pants. It would be freezing outside when I was a kid and I

envied the boys their right to wear pants and stay warm. My daughter

certainly takes it for granted that she can vote, that she does not have to

be supported financially by someone else, that she can choose the career of

her choice, that she can have an education, etc.

Elaine

> Maybe not everywhere, but in the cities, for sure.

>

> ~ Mom to 11 DS who wants to be a cook/waitress and a

librarian

> and 7 who wants to be a magician and a cyclones baseball player

(that

> is the mets farm team!!!)

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's what we all wanted wasn't it?? Options for our daughters and for

us??

Elaine

Re: Funny Meg story yet kinda sad in general

> If the girls were asked about famous men, would they have had the answers?

> No, I'm not a chauvanist...lol...just playing devil's advocate.

>

> Kent, here in VA the children do learn about famous women and girls are

> encouraged to reach for the stars. I also had to wear dresses in grade

> school and sports were not encouraged for girls. Come junior high, I

played

> football for an all girls team.

>

> However, I think if a girl wants to grow up and be a mom and home maker,

more

> power to her!! The saddest thing about our society is that many women are

> made to feel bad if they do not have a career. Personally, I love to work

> and that is my choice. But my first job and priority is my family and my

day

> job supports that philosophy!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's what we all wanted wasn't it?? Options for our daughters and for

us??

Elaine

Re: Funny Meg story yet kinda sad in general

> If the girls were asked about famous men, would they have had the answers?

> No, I'm not a chauvanist...lol...just playing devil's advocate.

>

> Kent, here in VA the children do learn about famous women and girls are

> encouraged to reach for the stars. I also had to wear dresses in grade

> school and sports were not encouraged for girls. Come junior high, I

played

> football for an all girls team.

>

> However, I think if a girl wants to grow up and be a mom and home maker,

more

> power to her!! The saddest thing about our society is that many women are

> made to feel bad if they do not have a career. Personally, I love to work

> and that is my choice. But my first job and priority is my family and my

day

> job supports that philosophy!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/19/2001 2:11:45 PM Central Daylight Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

> It would be freezing outside when I was a kid and I

>

They didn't let you wear pants under your dress? LOL here they did, and

every friday we could wear pants. That's probably why by the time i was in

3rd or 4th grade they'd already dropped the dress 'dress code'

Joy