Re: Just for smiles :)..Len?

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In a message dated 7/14/01 9:01:41 AM Central Daylight Time,

chessie@... writes:

>

> We did the fetal protein test just because I was 32. Because the results

> were " Normal " , we did not do an amino. Imagine our surprise when was

> born with DS.

>

> Lesa

> (mom to 10m,DS)

Hi

I do have a question that's been on my mind lately lol My sister is PG and

had an ultrasound done recently. She told all of us last weekend that the

technician said there is nothing wrong with her baby My question is... in

an ultra sound can they pick up a dx of Down Syndrome? Not that she couldn't

handle any disability (she's awesome with Sara) but I worry about this false

sense of perfection she has....even through the birthing process, things can

happen.

I will not say anything to her, to rain on her parade but I am wondering if

ultra sounds are so accurate to rule out DS

Kathy mom to Sara 9...........who had 3 ultra sounds and it picked up nothing

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In a message dated 7/14/01 9:01:41 AM Central Daylight Time,

chessie@... writes:

>

> We did the fetal protein test just because I was 32. Because the results

> were " Normal " , we did not do an amino. Imagine our surprise when was

> born with DS.

>

> Lesa

> (mom to 10m,DS)

Hi

I do have a question that's been on my mind lately lol My sister is PG and

had an ultrasound done recently. She told all of us last weekend that the

technician said there is nothing wrong with her baby My question is... in

an ultra sound can they pick up a dx of Down Syndrome? Not that she couldn't

handle any disability (she's awesome with Sara) but I worry about this false

sense of perfection she has....even through the birthing process, things can

happen.

I will not say anything to her, to rain on her parade but I am wondering if

ultra sounds are so accurate to rule out DS

Kathy mom to Sara 9...........who had 3 ultra sounds and it picked up nothing

[Guest guest]

Our pediatrician told us about a baby he cared for who was very

premature, and that was the big concern. Just before he was to go home, Dr.

B. picked up his hand and noticed the line. Then he looked closer, as he

hadn't before, and realized this baby had DS. He said many of the " markers'

are similar to those seen in prematurity. Just another thought. Jessie

[Guest guest]

Our pediatrician told us about a baby he cared for who was very

premature, and that was the big concern. Just before he was to go home, Dr.

B. picked up his hand and noticed the line. Then he looked closer, as he

hadn't before, and realized this baby had DS. He said many of the " markers'

are similar to those seen in prematurity. Just another thought. Jessie

[Guest guest]

At 09:54 AM 7/14/2001 , b4alltoday@... wrote:

>

>I do have a question that's been on my mind lately lol My sister is PG and

>had an ultrasound done recently. She told all of us last weekend that the

>technician said there is nothing wrong with her baby My question is... in

>an ultra sound can they pick up a dx of Down Syndrome? Not that she couldn't

>handle any disability (she's awesome with Sara) but I worry about this false

>sense of perfection she has....even through the birthing process, things can

>happen.

>

>I will not say anything to her, to rain on her parade but I am wondering if

>ultra sounds are so accurate to rule out DS

My pesonal opinion is that ultrasounds are not as good as the OBs and

technologists think they are. You can't determine the chromosomes by

ultrasound, so all you have are " markers " such as thickened neck fold and

some others. We parents know that every feature of DS can be seen in the

general population, so the presence of one or even two markers isn't

noteworthy. When you combine maternal age, maternal blood tests and

ultrasound findings, you can get close, but the most you can get is an

assessment of risk for having a child with DS. You cannot *diagnose* DS

this way.

Len Leshin, M.D., F.A.A.P.

Father to Avi, 7 y/o with DS

Down Syndrome: Health Issues http://www.ds-health.com

[Guest guest]

At 09:54 AM 7/14/2001 , b4alltoday@... wrote:

>

>I do have a question that's been on my mind lately lol My sister is PG and

>had an ultrasound done recently. She told all of us last weekend that the

>technician said there is nothing wrong with her baby My question is... in

>an ultra sound can they pick up a dx of Down Syndrome? Not that she couldn't

>handle any disability (she's awesome with Sara) but I worry about this false

>sense of perfection she has....even through the birthing process, things can

>happen.

>

>I will not say anything to her, to rain on her parade but I am wondering if

>ultra sounds are so accurate to rule out DS

My pesonal opinion is that ultrasounds are not as good as the OBs and

technologists think they are. You can't determine the chromosomes by

ultrasound, so all you have are " markers " such as thickened neck fold and

some others. We parents know that every feature of DS can be seen in the

general population, so the presence of one or even two markers isn't

noteworthy. When you combine maternal age, maternal blood tests and

ultrasound findings, you can get close, but the most you can get is an

assessment of risk for having a child with DS. You cannot *diagnose* DS

this way.

Len Leshin, M.D., F.A.A.P.

Father to Avi, 7 y/o with DS

Down Syndrome: Health Issues http://www.ds-health.com

[Guest guest]

I had a level 2 ultrasound when was 20 weeks in gestation... they

did not find any markers for Down syndrome,,, the u/s by itself only picks up

about 50% of the cases of Down syndrome...... Though I had the first

trimester screening for Down syndrome and knew I already had a 1 in 5

chance....... they said the clear u/s only moved my chances to 1/10

[Guest guest]

I had a level 2 ultrasound when was 20 weeks in gestation... they

did not find any markers for Down syndrome,,, the u/s by itself only picks up

about 50% of the cases of Down syndrome...... Though I had the first

trimester screening for Down syndrome and knew I already had a 1 in 5

chance....... they said the clear u/s only moved my chances to 1/10

[Guest guest]

That is what happened with us. Austin was born 8 wks premature. He did not

have heart or GI problems. He was in the NICU for 5 wks. Came home had a

pediatrician look after him. We moved and the new pediatrician suggested a

chromosome study. And at 4 months of age Austin was diagnosed with DS.

Kelli mom to Austin 5 1/2 yr.

>>

> Our pediatrician told us about a baby he cared for who was very

>premature, and that was the big concern. Just before he was to go home,

>Dr.

>B. picked up his hand and noticed the line. Then he looked closer, as he

>hadn't before, and realized this baby had DS. He said many of the

> " markers'

>are similar to those seen in prematurity. Just another thought. Jessie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is what happened with us. Austin was born 8 wks premature. He did not

have heart or GI problems. He was in the NICU for 5 wks. Came home had a

pediatrician look after him. We moved and the new pediatrician suggested a

chromosome study. And at 4 months of age Austin was diagnosed with DS.

Kelli mom to Austin 5 1/2 yr.

>>

> Our pediatrician told us about a baby he cared for who was very

>premature, and that was the big concern. Just before he was to go home,

>Dr.

>B. picked up his hand and noticed the line. Then he looked closer, as he

>hadn't before, and realized this baby had DS. He said many of the

> " markers'

>are similar to those seen in prematurity. Just another thought. Jessie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had the routine triple screen at age 34, which came back normal (though I

now know it was at the very bottom of the normal range....whatever that

means). Plus, I was involved in a study at s Hopkins and had about 7

ultrasounds in addition to the one done by the OB. Boy, were we surprised

when arrived! The funniest story I have about DS " markers " is my

husband in the pediatricain's office when was about a week old,

looking at his own hand and 's, trying to find " the line " .

Finally, the Dr. took his hand to show him, and low and behold, he is one

the the ~ 6% of the non-DS population who also had that same line! We got a

chuckle (at a very stressful time) about how funny genetics could be.

With our third, we did have CVS and know everything was fine by ~ 11

weeks.... it made for a much easier pregnancy without as much worry.

Mom to (5.5), (3.5 w DS), and (1.5)

>

[Guest guest]

I had the routine triple screen at age 34, which came back normal (though I

now know it was at the very bottom of the normal range....whatever that

means). Plus, I was involved in a study at s Hopkins and had about 7

ultrasounds in addition to the one done by the OB. Boy, were we surprised

when arrived! The funniest story I have about DS " markers " is my

husband in the pediatricain's office when was about a week old,

looking at his own hand and 's, trying to find " the line " .

Finally, the Dr. took his hand to show him, and low and behold, he is one

the the ~ 6% of the non-DS population who also had that same line! We got a

chuckle (at a very stressful time) about how funny genetics could be.

With our third, we did have CVS and know everything was fine by ~ 11

weeks.... it made for a much easier pregnancy without as much worry.

Mom to (5.5), (3.5 w DS), and (1.5)

>

[Guest guest]

In my case the first specialist who performed an ultrasound on me felt he

knew then that she had down syndrome. She had a slightly different shape of

the head and calcium deposits on her heart, neither of which are a problem

for her. She did not have the neck problems or any heart problems. and had

a good profile and high set ears. After a few months she developed duodenal

atresia (blockage in stomach). But even at the first visit he felt hw knew,

although I have heard many people in which the dr missed. I do know how you

feel though. When I see people who are PG I think to myself that this could

happen to anyone and are you prepared. A lot of people take for granted

that they will have a normal healthy baby.

Re: Just for smiles ..Len?

> At 09:54 AM 7/14/2001 , b4alltoday@... wrote:

> >

> >I do have a question that's been on my mind lately lol My sister is PG

and

> >had an ultrasound done recently. She told all of us last weekend that

the

> >technician said there is nothing wrong with her baby My question

is... in

> >an ultra sound can they pick up a dx of Down Syndrome? Not that she

couldn't

> >handle any disability (she's awesome with Sara) but I worry about this

false

> >sense of perfection she has....even through the birthing process, things

can

> >happen.

> >

> >I will not say anything to her, to rain on her parade but I am wondering

if

> >ultra sounds are so accurate to rule out DS

>

> My pesonal opinion is that ultrasounds are not as good as the OBs and

> technologists think they are. You can't determine the chromosomes by

> ultrasound, so all you have are " markers " such as thickened neck fold and

> some others. We parents know that every feature of DS can be seen in the

> general population, so the presence of one or even two markers isn't

> noteworthy. When you combine maternal age, maternal blood tests and

> ultrasound findings, you can get close, but the most you can get is an

> assessment of risk for having a child with DS. You cannot *diagnose* DS

> this way.

>

>

> Len Leshin, M.D., F.A.A.P.

> Father to Avi, 7 y/o with DS

> Down Syndrome: Health Issues http://www.ds-health.com

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In my case the first specialist who performed an ultrasound on me felt he

knew then that she had down syndrome. She had a slightly different shape of

the head and calcium deposits on her heart, neither of which are a problem

for her. She did not have the neck problems or any heart problems. and had

a good profile and high set ears. After a few months she developed duodenal

atresia (blockage in stomach). But even at the first visit he felt hw knew,

although I have heard many people in which the dr missed. I do know how you

feel though. When I see people who are PG I think to myself that this could

happen to anyone and are you prepared. A lot of people take for granted

that they will have a normal healthy baby.

Re: Just for smiles ..Len?

> At 09:54 AM 7/14/2001 , b4alltoday@... wrote:

> >

> >I do have a question that's been on my mind lately lol My sister is PG

and

> >had an ultrasound done recently. She told all of us last weekend that

the

> >technician said there is nothing wrong with her baby My question

is... in

> >an ultra sound can they pick up a dx of Down Syndrome? Not that she

couldn't

> >handle any disability (she's awesome with Sara) but I worry about this

false

> >sense of perfection she has....even through the birthing process, things

can

> >happen.

> >

> >I will not say anything to her, to rain on her parade but I am wondering

if

> >ultra sounds are so accurate to rule out DS

>

> My pesonal opinion is that ultrasounds are not as good as the OBs and

> technologists think they are. You can't determine the chromosomes by

> ultrasound, so all you have are " markers " such as thickened neck fold and

> some others. We parents know that every feature of DS can be seen in the

> general population, so the presence of one or even two markers isn't

> noteworthy. When you combine maternal age, maternal blood tests and

> ultrasound findings, you can get close, but the most you can get is an

> assessment of risk for having a child with DS. You cannot *diagnose* DS

> this way.

>

>

> Len Leshin, M.D., F.A.A.P.

> Father to Avi, 7 y/o with DS

> Down Syndrome: Health Issues http://www.ds-health.com

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

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My husband had " the line " as well. This was over 27 years ago when they were

still calling it the " simian crease " and dumb me used that word when

discussing it with my husband. Big mistake! LOL!!!

granny

---

" Setting a good example for your children

takes all the fun out of middle age. "

-- Feather

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

Re: Just for smiles ..Len?

>

> The funniest story I have about DS " markers " is my

> | husband in the pediatricain's office when was about a week

> old,

> | looking at his own hand and 's, trying to find " the line " .

> | Finally, the Dr. took his hand to show him, and low and behold, he

> is one

> | the the ~ 6% of the non-DS population who also had that same line!

> We got a

> | chuckle (at a very stressful time) about how funny genetics could

> be.

> |

>

> How funny! My husband has this line as well, Elias (3,5 DS) doesn´t.

>

> By the way, in my pregnancy with Elias at age 40 I had a positive

> triple test (1:6) for DS. We did special ultrasounds several times

> which showed no markers for DS at all - rather a big child with long

> legs. As for the miscarriage risk we refused amnio and just waited who

> was to come. For the time of the pregnancy there was a rather insecure

> feeling, but the shock of the diagnosis at birth wasn´t as big as

> without warning before.

>

> Greetings from Germany

> Anke with Elias (3,5 DS) and two teenagers

> http://www.familiew.de/

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My husband had " the line " as well. This was over 27 years ago when they were

still calling it the " simian crease " and dumb me used that word when

discussing it with my husband. Big mistake! LOL!!!

granny

---

" Setting a good example for your children

takes all the fun out of middle age. "

-- Feather

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

Re: Just for smiles ..Len?

>

> The funniest story I have about DS " markers " is my

> | husband in the pediatricain's office when was about a week

> old,

> | looking at his own hand and 's, trying to find " the line " .

> | Finally, the Dr. took his hand to show him, and low and behold, he

> is one

> | the the ~ 6% of the non-DS population who also had that same line!

> We got a

> | chuckle (at a very stressful time) about how funny genetics could

> be.

> |

>

> How funny! My husband has this line as well, Elias (3,5 DS) doesn´t.

>

> By the way, in my pregnancy with Elias at age 40 I had a positive

> triple test (1:6) for DS. We did special ultrasounds several times

> which showed no markers for DS at all - rather a big child with long

> legs. As for the miscarriage risk we refused amnio and just waited who

> was to come. For the time of the pregnancy there was a rather insecure

> feeling, but the shock of the diagnosis at birth wasn´t as big as

> without warning before.

>

> Greetings from Germany

> Anke with Elias (3,5 DS) and two teenagers

> http://www.familiew.de/

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The funniest story I have about DS " markers " is my

| husband in the pediatricain's office when was about a week

old,

| looking at his own hand and 's, trying to find " the line " .

| Finally, the Dr. took his hand to show him, and low and behold, he

is one

| the the ~ 6% of the non-DS population who also had that same line!

We got a

| chuckle (at a very stressful time) about how funny genetics could

be.

|

How funny! My husband has this line as well, Elias (3,5 DS) doesn´t.

By the way, in my pregnancy with Elias at age 40 I had a positive

triple test (1:6) for DS. We did special ultrasounds several times

which showed no markers for DS at all - rather a big child with long

legs. As for the miscarriage risk we refused amnio and just waited who

was to come. For the time of the pregnancy there was a rather insecure

feeling, but the shock of the diagnosis at birth wasn´t as big as

without warning before.

Greetings from Germany

Anke with Elias (3,5 DS) and two teenagers

http://www.familiew.de/

[Guest guest]

The funniest story I have about DS " markers " is my

| husband in the pediatricain's office when was about a week

old,

| looking at his own hand and 's, trying to find " the line " .

| Finally, the Dr. took his hand to show him, and low and behold, he

is one

| the the ~ 6% of the non-DS population who also had that same line!

We got a

| chuckle (at a very stressful time) about how funny genetics could

be.

|

How funny! My husband has this line as well, Elias (3,5 DS) doesn´t.

By the way, in my pregnancy with Elias at age 40 I had a positive

triple test (1:6) for DS. We did special ultrasounds several times

which showed no markers for DS at all - rather a big child with long

legs. As for the miscarriage risk we refused amnio and just waited who

was to come. For the time of the pregnancy there was a rather insecure

feeling, but the shock of the diagnosis at birth wasn´t as big as

without warning before.

Greetings from Germany

Anke with Elias (3,5 DS) and two teenagers

http://www.familiew.de/

[Guest guest]

the one of the dr's who told us that frankie had ds had the crease in his

hands and so does my dad , funny thing was my husband thought the dr had ds

just becouse he had the crease , but he didnt .

Angel mom of 3 (9) (8) and ie (4ds)

-- Re: Just for smiles ..Len?

The funniest story I have about DS " markers " is my

| husband in the pediatricain's office when was about a week

old,

| looking at his own hand and 's, trying to find " the line " .

| Finally, the Dr. took his hand to show him, and low and behold, he

is one

| the the ~ 6% of the non-DS population who also had that same line!

We got a

| chuckle (at a very stressful time) about how funny genetics could

be.

|

How funny! My husband has this line as well, Elias (3,5 DS) doesn´t.

By the way, in my pregnancy with Elias at age 40 I had a positive

triple test (1:6) for DS. We did special ultrasounds several times

which showed no markers for DS at all - rather a big child with long

legs. As for the miscarriage risk we refused amnio and just waited who

was to come. For the time of the pregnancy there was a rather insecure

feeling, but the shock of the diagnosis at birth wasn´t as big as

without warning before.

Greetings from Germany

Anke with Elias (3,5 DS) and two teenagers

http://www.familiew.de/

Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

[Guest guest]

the one of the dr's who told us that frankie had ds had the crease in his

hands and so does my dad , funny thing was my husband thought the dr had ds

just becouse he had the crease , but he didnt .

Angel mom of 3 (9) (8) and ie (4ds)

-- Re: Just for smiles ..Len?

The funniest story I have about DS " markers " is my

| husband in the pediatricain's office when was about a week

old,

| looking at his own hand and 's, trying to find " the line " .

| Finally, the Dr. took his hand to show him, and low and behold, he

is one

| the the ~ 6% of the non-DS population who also had that same line!

We got a

| chuckle (at a very stressful time) about how funny genetics could

be.

|

How funny! My husband has this line as well, Elias (3,5 DS) doesn´t.

By the way, in my pregnancy with Elias at age 40 I had a positive

triple test (1:6) for DS. We did special ultrasounds several times

which showed no markers for DS at all - rather a big child with long

legs. As for the miscarriage risk we refused amnio and just waited who

was to come. For the time of the pregnancy there was a rather insecure

feeling, but the shock of the diagnosis at birth wasn´t as big as

without warning before.

Greetings from Germany

Anke with Elias (3,5 DS) and two teenagers

http://www.familiew.de/

Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

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At 10:27 AM 7/15/2001 , angelina m dambra wrote:

>the one of the dr's who told us that frankie had ds had the crease in his

>hands and so does my dad , funny thing was my husband thought the dr had ds

>just becouse he had the crease , but he didnt .

The geneticist at my training program had single palmar creases on both

hands. He loved showing that to parents.

Len

[Guest guest]

At 10:27 AM 7/15/2001 , angelina m dambra wrote:

>the one of the dr's who told us that frankie had ds had the crease in his

>hands and so does my dad , funny thing was my husband thought the dr had ds

>just becouse he had the crease , but he didnt .

The geneticist at my training program had single palmar creases on both

hands. He loved showing that to parents.

Len