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In a message dated 8/2/00 6:54:54 AM, jeffreys@... writes:

<< Can we get some comments on sauna for detox. My " theoretic concern "

is

that virtually all patients with any kind of brain injury have

exacerbation of problems with elevated temperature. This has been

shown time and time again with closed head injury. Also, patients

with

MS have exacerbation of their symptoms with elevation of temperature. >>

You have a very real and legitimate concern. In addition to this, some

severely mercury toxic individuals do not sweat appropriately (or sometimes

at all).

There is a paper in the literature where someone got guys who worked in a

mercury factory to dress up in rubber boots and coats while doing heavy labor

on a hot day, collected the sweat, and measured the mercury in that compared

to in their urine. It turns out that 1.75 quarts of sweat (plus or minus a

lot) is equal in mercury content to the day's urinary mercury excretion.

Sauna has been used to detox mercury miners since time immemorial - when they

get too messed up, they go to the sauna during work hours instead of into

the mineshaft.

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<< Can you say something more about this sauna therapy? What kind of

therapy is this? Have you tried it with children? >>

I haven't tried it with anyone and indeed don't recommend it. I just know

that sweating does indeed increase mercury excretion. Probably an hour or

two of sauna is the same as 50 mg of DMSA every 4 hours for a day. Since

many people were interested in this I thought I would provide what

information I had.

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You do have to monitor your kids when doing this, I don't let them

in the sauna for more than 5 minutes!

Kathy

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>Can we get some comments on sauna for detox. My " theoretic concern "

>is

>that virtually all patients with any kind of brain injury have

>exacerbation of problems with elevated temperature. This has been

>shown time and time again with closed head injury. Also, patients

>with

>MS have exacerbation of their symptoms with elevation of temperature.

>

>These are theoretic concerns and might have to be balanced against

>empirical observations. Interestingly, if sweating is the end goal,

>Bethenacol should increase rate of sweating without the heat (but

>nowhere near the amount that a sauna will produce).

>

>J. Segal, MD

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In a message dated 8/2/00 7:35:17 AM Central Daylight Time, aholmesmd@...

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<< His sauna program consists of 20 days straight of sauna 30 minutes,

4 times a day, then twice a day for a year after that. He also

uses massages, exercise, showers in between saunas. >>

That sounds like a really long time for kiddos. Are you using the sauna

treatments? Do you know what supplements he gives during the sauna treatment

protocol?

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From what I've read and heard (no expert here), the sauna tends to help the

body release toxins that are bound in the fat cells so you're trying to sweat

but apparantly it does a little bit more than just sweating. Though my doc

said in his most mercury toxic stage, he was too poor to afford a sauna so

he'd sit in his car in the summer heat for awhile -- called it the poor man's

sauna but he also said he'd not recommend this for kids :).

Gaylen

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jeffreys@... writes:

<< Can we get some comments on sauna for detox. My " theoretic concern "

is

that virtually all patients with any kind of brain injury have

exacerbation of problems with elevated temperature. This has been

shown time and time again with closed head injury. Also, patients

with

MS have exacerbation of their symptoms with elevation of temperature.

These are theoretic concerns and might have to be balanced against

empirical observations. Interestingly, if sweating is the end goal,

Bethenacol should increase rate of sweating without the heat (but

nowhere near the amount that a sauna will produce).

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Now this is interesting. Since we got back from our vacation in

Florida, my husband has had less trouble with his digestion and fewer

muscle cramps and spasms. I attributed this improvement to all the

exercise we got walking around Disney World, but maybe it was all the

sweating (Central Florida in July is HOT, let me tell you).

> From what I've read and heard (no expert here), the sauna tends to

help the

> body release toxins that are bound in the fat cells so you're

trying to sweat

> but apparantly it does a little bit more than just sweating.

Though my doc

> said in his most mercury toxic stage, he was too poor to afford a

sauna so

> he'd sit in his car in the summer heat for awhile -- called it the

poor man's

> sauna but he also said he'd not recommend this for kids :).

> Gaylen

>

>

> In a message dated 8/2/00 8:54:53 AM Central Daylight Time,

> jeffreys@i... writes:

>

> << Can we get some comments on sauna for detox. My " theoretic

concern "

> is

> that virtually all patients with any kind of brain injury have

> exacerbation of problems with elevated temperature. This has been

> shown time and time again with closed head injury. Also, patients

> with

> MS have exacerbation of their symptoms with elevation of

temperature.

>

> These are theoretic concerns and might have to be balanced against

> empirical observations. Interestingly, if sweating is the end

goal,

> Bethenacol should increase rate of sweating without the heat (but

> nowhere near the amount that a sauna will produce).

> >>

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OUr kids seem to have heat sensitivity problems, I have my kids in the sauna

for only 5 minutes and they want out big time.

KAthy

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>From what I've read and heard (no expert here), the sauna tends to help the

>body release toxins that are bound in the fat cells so you're trying to

sweat

>but apparantly it does a little bit more than just sweating. Though my doc

>said in his most mercury toxic stage, he was too poor to afford a sauna so

>he'd sit in his car in the summer heat for awhile -- called it the poor

man's

>sauna but he also said he'd not recommend this for kids :).

>Gaylen

>

>

>In a message dated 8/2/00 8:54:53 AM Central Daylight Time,

>jeffreys@... writes:

>

><< Can we get some comments on sauna for detox. My " theoretic concern "

> is

> that virtually all patients with any kind of brain injury have

> exacerbation of problems with elevated temperature. This has been

> shown time and time again with closed head injury. Also, patients

> with

> MS have exacerbation of their symptoms with elevation of temperature.

>

> These are theoretic concerns and might have to be balanced against

> empirical observations. Interestingly, if sweating is the end goal,

> Bethenacol should increase rate of sweating without the heat (but

> nowhere near the amount that a sauna will produce).

> >>

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Jen loves sitting in the hot cars. This has been going on for years. We live

in the middle of nowhere so it is not a big problem. We chase her out and

lock the cars. As soon as she get the opportunity she is back in the car.

Jen has continually making improvement??? We have always be afraid her have

problems from the heat.

Beverly Weakley

Mom of Jen

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>

> >From what I've read and heard (no expert here), the sauna tends to help

the

> >body release toxins that are bound in the fat cells so you're trying to

> sweat

> >but apparantly it does a little bit more than just sweating. Though my

doc

> >said in his most mercury toxic stage, he was too poor to afford a sauna

so

> >he'd sit in his car in the summer heat for awhile -- called it the poor

> man's

> >sauna but he also said he'd not recommend this for kids :).

> >Gaylen

> >

> >

> >In a message dated 8/2/00 8:54:53 AM Central Daylight Time,

> >jeffreys@... writes:

> >

> ><< Can we get some comments on sauna for detox. My " theoretic concern "

> > is

> > that virtually all patients with any kind of brain injury have

> > exacerbation of problems with elevated temperature. This has been

> > shown time and time again with closed head injury. Also, patients

> > with

> > MS have exacerbation of their symptoms with elevation of temperature.

> >

> > These are theoretic concerns and might have to be balanced against

> > empirical observations. Interestingly, if sweating is the end goal,

> > Bethenacol should increase rate of sweating without the heat (but

> > nowhere near the amount that a sauna will produce).

> > >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Since my son and daughter are on a lot of supplements and doing the

chelating (yes, my own style, don't hit me) I have ventured into a lot of

ways to go about this. I do not propose this works for everyone, I have

just seen wonderful things with it, especially in light of a son with a

suspected mit disorder and seizures. I am doing the ALA every four hours,

then overnight doing the time release. On for a week, off for another, on

for one week, off for another. They have a tincture of cilantro drops with

alcohol and also have chlorella (from www.shokos.com ). I have seen MARKED

improvement in my kids these past two weeks! They are only in a sauna for

five minutes a day, believe me, that was hard enough to do. They are doing

CoQ10, Vitamin C, E and K, along with SNT p5p, TMG w/folic acid, monolaurin,

magnesium malate, ambrotose, immunocal (only 2Xa week), SAMe, ButryEn

(allergy research group-helps fatty acid conversions), CLO cis, JoMAR labs

glutathione blends of glycine, l-glutamic acid and L-cystein, AT LEAST 10

glasses of water a day (small cup), Acidohphilus, Yeast Avenger, Betain HCL,

Digestive Enzymes(Spectrazyme), Sprout Defense, cAMP Forskolin (to make

secretin better)-gaia herbs, milk thistle, brewers yeast (only one day a

week-experimenting at the moment), pregnelelone, olive oil with cilantro oil

(this was needed for my sons fatty acid imbalances according to his charts)

, olive leaf extract, flax seed oil, LOTS AND LOTS OF RED

MEAT...reason.....red meat has a lot of stores of ALA in it! (all organic

as much as possible). Almost a PALEO DIET. High fats, no dairy, no

gluten, barely any carbs. And last but not least epsom salt baths, with an

addition of a creme made up by a compound pharmacist for available sulphar

and magnesium.

Kathy

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>In a message dated 8/2/00 1:19:57 AM Central Daylight Time,

>kblanco@... writes:

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><< We use a sauna too, just these past 2 weeks cocurrent with ALA, all

their

> nutiritonal rampings, cilantro and chlorella (sorry, controversial here)

>>

>

>We hope to start doing sauna as soon as the funding comes through. What

>specific nutritional " rampings " or supplements do you give with it? What

>protocol are you using for it -- ie: time in sauna, how often, etc?

>

>Also, what type of cilantro are you using -- drops, liquid or fresh? What

>have you noticed?

>Gaylen

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Kathy,

Please tell me more about monolaurin, and the specialty creme.

Thank you,

Jenn

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>>In a message dated 8/2/00 1:19:57 AM Central Daylight Time,

>>kblanco@... writes:

>>

>><< We use a sauna too, just these past 2 weeks cocurrent with ALA, all

>their

>> nutiritonal rampings, cilantro and chlorella (sorry, controversial here)

>>>

>>

>>We hope to start doing sauna as soon as the funding comes through. What

>>specific nutritional " rampings " or supplements do you give with it? What

>>protocol are you using for it -- ie: time in sauna, how often, etc?

>>

>>Also, what type of cilantro are you using -- drops, liquid or fresh? What

>>have you noticed?

>>Gaylen

>>

>>

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Jenn

Monlaurin is spoken of by Bradstreet too. It got me thinking and searching.

IT is a fatty acid, made from cocunut oil. Seems that this is a buzz word

in the AIDS population as well. Monolaurin works very interestingly on

enveloping viruses such as HIV and also MEASLES. They slip them off of

walls they are attatched to so I hear, that intrigued me, since that seems

to be the case in our kids? Enveloping viruses I heard also have the

ability to hide from the immune system, so that also intrigued me. It

also has an ability to enhance the immune system response to these viruses

(t-cells and lymphocytes). My sons lauric acid level was really low on his

fatty acid test, so I figured, why not give it a shot. A friend of mine

also has her son on it, and recorded basal temps everymorning, previously

they were elevated above norms, and now on the monolaurin are at norms. She

also measured HHV6 before and after being on monolaurin, the HHV6 levels

also came down. I suspect that HHV6 also had a lot to do with my sons

seizure activity and her sons becuase they were up with the increase of

seizures in them both. Heard something about how HHV6 does to blood flow,

it made sense in terms of blood flow in the brain? The sulphar creme is a

like giving the epsom salt baths for our kids, in a cream formulation. My

friends child's family was going on vacation (camping) and they knew they

would and could not survive without it ( he would go into terrible bouts of

neuropathy even), so they had a compoundist make up the creme. I posted

that to the list a couple of days ago, if you want to call him and ask some

questions. I think giving my kids available sulphar and also magnesium has

helped them tremendously.

KAthy

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>>

>>>In a message dated 8/2/00 1:19:57 AM Central Daylight Time,

>>>kblanco@... writes:

>>>

>>><< We use a sauna too, just these past 2 weeks cocurrent with ALA, all

>>their

>>> nutiritonal rampings, cilantro and chlorella (sorry, controversial here)

>>>>

>>>

>>>We hope to start doing sauna as soon as the funding comes through. What

>>>specific nutritional " rampings " or supplements do you give with it? What

>>>protocol are you using for it -- ie: time in sauna, how often, etc?

>>>

>>>Also, what type of cilantro are you using -- drops, liquid or fresh?

What

>>>have you noticed?

>>>Gaylen

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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<< Sauna sounds like a safer and cheaper deal ( About $3000 ). Is there any

drawback compared with DMSA? >>

DMSA is cheaper and probably safer. $3,000 worth of DMSA is a LOT of DMSA.

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Is there a big diffrence between a infared Sauna and a regular sauna? Cedar is

not as good as polar wood in the sauna?

Sauna sounds like a safer and cheaper deal ( About $3000 ). Is there any

drawback compared with DMSA?

mt

> you say something more about this sauna therapy? What kind of

> therapy is this? Have you tried it with children? >>

>

> I haven't tried it with anyone and indeed don't recommend it. I just know

> that sweating does indeed increase mercury excretion. Probably an hour or

> two of sauna is the same as 50 mg of DMSA every 4 hours for a day. Since

> many people were interested in this I thought I would provide what

> information I had.

>

> Andy

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>Is there a big diffrence between a infared Sauna and a regular sauna? >Cedar is

not as good as polar wood in the sauna?

I have heard that the infrared units from Healthmate are made with some

plywood which would offgass chemicals while using. The traditional

saunas from Heavenly Heat are made for the chemically sensitive

population. They are made using white poplar wood which is supposed to

be a wood that offgasses the least. I am sure that the heat feels

different as the infrared rays penetrate deeper and have the effect of

heating from the inside out. I have read that some people like the

infrared units for this reason while others prefer the traditional sauna

heat.

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Sorry for the belated answer to this one as well.

We're just finishing our fourth week of a sauna program with good results so

far. This is obviously making a big dent in our toxic load as we've gone

through cycles of obviously loosening up things and releasing them and then

feeling great.

We're doing 20 minutes of aerobic activity followed by 20 minutes of sauna at

150 degrees. After cooling down, replacing water and electrolytes with

E-lyte electrolyte formula plus some Vitamin C, we shower. We have a SMAC-3

blood test run every 3-4 weeks while doing regular saunas.

After the first week, I upped my time in the sauna to 30 minutes but after a

few days of this it was too much for my system so I dropped back to 20 min.

I plan to stay with that time until the end of the year and then if it looks

like we need to continue detoxing and our blood tests show normal, we'll do

two, 20 min segments a day.

During this, my son is doing 3 days of chelation a week with DMSA. We

started with the every 4 hour dosing, then did every 6 hours and now have

dropped back to three times a day (upon waking, in afternoon and bedtime).

He seems to be doing about the same no matter what the dosing timing is but

we were both crankier with the night waking way of doing it. I plan to do

some urine and perhaps stool testing next week to see what is coming out.

As for the sauna itself, it works really well and looks like a big tent so my

son loves being in it, thinking he's playing " tent. " Even though I thought

it would add greatly to our electric bill, I haven't noticed an increase.

Gaylen

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Dear Rogene,

I felt funny after I got out of the sauna today, I could hear the blood running in my ears (odd I know ) I didnt feel unwell just another hard to explain thing !

I did not go in it yesterday and only had 25mins in it today so I dont think I am overdoing it.

Can you get worse before you get better? it seems that when I go shopping to the supermarket, I can smell the plastic/packaging everything in the store as`soon as I walk in, I have had problems with sensitivity to smells for years but this is something new.

I am not sweating that much, my hubby went in after me and his towel was`soaking, I have been sweating but nothing like that.Do you think I should sweat that much?

Sorry for all the questions

Thanks Rogene

Sue.

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Dear Sue,

You may feel a lot of new sensations as you detox . .

.. They are nothing to be scared of . . . Just know

that what you are doing is working. . . I would be far

more concerned if nothing happens! Your body is

responding, and that's good.

My only concern is that you continue to feel safe

while using your sauna. . . Stay in only as long as

you feel comfortable . . . and stay in as long as you

feel comfortable. You may, or may not sweat, a great

deal at some point in time. Persistance will do the

job, even if you don't sweat profusely.. Just be sure

to drink plenty of water throughout the day so

anything being stirred up can be flushed quickly.

The way I visualise what's going on with me is that,

with the sauna light and heat, my circulatory system

starts pumping faster and more thoroughly . . . Things

get stirred up that have been resting somewhere in my

tissues. The stuff may come out my pores, or it may be

dumped via urine or feces . . . Doesn't matter . . .

The goal is to get rid of all the unhealthy stuff in

our body that I can.

I'll bet that, after you're thoroughly detoxed, you

won't be very sensitive to chemicals any more. . . I'm

not! It takes a really big exposure to get my

attention now. I used to have an extremely keen nose

for chemicals I reacted to . . . Now, I hardly notice

the smell . . . However my nose does start running

sometimes! - another way my body tries to get rid of

stuff it doesn't like!

Our bodies are so smart, if we'd just pay attention to

their signals they will let us know what we need!

How did your hubby feel after the sauna? Are you still

feeling more energetic? How about your son?

I'm so glad you were able to get a sauna and start

detoxing with it. . . It will still take time, but you

should start feeling better and better and better . .

.. If you're like most of us, one day you'll look back

and be amazed that you were functioning at all when

you felt so horrible!

Love,

Rogene

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Lea,

I forgot to say that far infrared saunas are a lot

easier to breathe in too . . . the air temperature is

much cooler. I would think that, with your respiratory

problems, that a dry or steam sauna would be hard to

do.

I'm anxious to hear about your tests too! . . . I hope

you're seeing some improvement!

Hugs,

Rogene

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Dear Rogene,

Thank you for that it was what I needed.

I have carried on with the sauna and am sweating a little more at a lower heat. I have come ou tin loads of spots on my legs, groin area and face, I look on this as a positive though.I have had an abcess under my arm for ages its started to get smaller and is not so inflamed.

My hubby loves the sauna he goes in everyday and sweats loads.

I have not had a sleep\ in the afternoon since getting the sauna, the only day I was tired is when I never used it, so that in itself is a big improvement.

My boys have only been in a couple of times I want to be very careful with them, but they really enjoy it.

I have had some problems though, as I have been feeling giddy, not that this is unusual for me giddyness is a big problem for me, but I just try to listen to what you said and say to myself, things will be bad for a while as I am stirring things up.

Hubby and my daughter have said the black is going from under my eyes, I can still see it but they have said its improved.

Just thought I would tell you my youngest keeps eating raw garlic, he loves it, maybe his body is telling him something !!!.

Take care

Sue.

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Go for it , the sauna has made a difference to my tiredness, no sleeping in the afternoon for a week. I was wondering if its a coincidence but My hands have not gone numb since using the sauna, has anyone else found this?.

Let me know if you like the sauna, and how you get on.The weird thing is on a day to day basis I could never sweat it made me feel ill if I got too hot, but that doesnt happen in the sauna.

Take care

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Wow, sue, I can't believe your kids will eat raw garlic. That's

great! You aren't the only one to get a giddy sensation from the

sauna. I get it too. It definitely stirs up stuff if I use it

regularly which I have been trying to do. YOu are on the right

track. Keep up the good work!

Hugs

kathy

> Dear Rogene,

>

> Thank you for that it was what I needed.

> I have carried on with the sauna and am sweating a little more at

a lower

> heat. I have come ou tin loads of spots on my legs, groin area and

face, I look

> on this as a positive though.I have had an abcess under my arm for

ages its

> started to get smaller and is not so inflamed.

> My hubby loves the sauna he goes in everyday and sweats loads.

> I have not had a sleep\ in the afternoon since getting the sauna,

the only

> day I was tired is when I never used it, so that in itself is a

big

> improvement.

> My boys have only been in a couple of times I want to be very

careful with

> them, but they really enjoy it.

> I have had some problems though, as I have been feeling giddy, not

that this

> is unusual for me giddyness is a big problem for me, but I just

try to

> listen to what you said and say to myself, things will be bad for

a while as I am

> stirring things up.

> Hubby and my daughter have said the black is going from under my

eyes, I can

> still see it but they have said its improved.

> Just thought I would tell you my youngest keeps eating raw garlic,

he loves

> it, maybe his body is telling him something !!!.

> Take care

> Sue.

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Sue, That's great that the sauna is helping you so much! I think it ranks up there with juices and garlic. It seems that it is one therapy that helps most who try it. I read that it is fine for kids also as long as they don't stay in for more than thirty minutes. love, Anita Re: Sauna Dear Rogene, Thank you for that it was what I needed I have carried on with the sauna and am sweating a little more at a lower heat. I have come ou tin loads of spots on my legs, groin area and face, I look on this as a positive though.I have had an abcess under my arm for ages its started to get smaller and is not so inflamed. My hubby loves the sauna he goes in everyday and sweats loads. I have not had a sleep\ in the afternoon since getting the sauna, the only day I was tired is when I never used it, so that in itself is a big improvement. My boys have only been in a couple of times I want to be very careful with them, but they really enjoy it. I have had some problems though, as I have been feeling giddy, not that this is unusual for me giddyness is a big problem for me, but I just try to listen to what you said and say to myself, things will be bad for a while as I am stirring things up. Hubby and my daughter have said the black is going from under my eyes, I can still see it but they have said its improved. Just thought I would tell you my youngest keeps eating raw garlic, he loves it, maybe his body is telling him something !!!. Take care Sue.Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

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I want to join the sauna too, and there is a YWCA just a couple

blocks away. I'm so energized for my recovery, after been giving an

excellent bill of health. My ANA is still pos. and my C4 is low but

I'm very well. So even when we think we're going backward we're

still going forward.

> > Dear Rogene,

> >

> > Thank you for that it was what I needed.

> > I have carried on with the sauna and am sweating a little more at

> a lower

> > heat. I have come ou tin loads of spots on my legs, groin area

and

> face, I look

> > on this as a positive though.I have had an abcess under my arm

for

> ages its

> > started to get smaller and is not so inflamed.

> > My hubby loves the sauna he goes in everyday and sweats loads.

> > I have not had a sleep\ in the afternoon since getting the sauna,

> the only

> > day I was tired is when I never used it, so that in itself is a

> big

> > improvement.

> > My boys have only been in a couple of times I want to be very

> careful with

> > them, but they really enjoy it.

> > I have had some problems though, as I have been feeling giddy,

not

> that this

> > is unusual for me giddyness is a big problem for me, but I just

> try to

> > listen to what you said and say to myself, things will be bad for

> a while as I am

> > stirring things up.

> > Hubby and my daughter have said the black is going from under my

> eyes, I can

> > still see it but they have said its improved.

> > Just thought I would tell you my youngest keeps eating raw

garlic,

> he loves

> > it, maybe his body is telling him something !!!.

> > Take care

> > Sue.

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-Thanks Sue, I will let you know how it goes. Glad to hear you are

doing well. Keep up the good work. Yes not sweating seems to be a

problems with implanted women, doesn't it. I guess the Suana gets

the toxins moving out again. Hugs,

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> Go for it , the sauna has made a difference to my

tiredness, no

> sleeping in the afternoon for a week. I was wondering if its a

coincidence but My

> hands have not gone numb since using the sauna, has anyone else

found this?.

> Let me know if you like the sauna, and how you get on.The weird

thing is on

> a day to day basis I could never sweat it made me feel ill if I got

too hot,

> but that doesnt happen in the sauna.

> Take care

> Sue

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