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Hey, hey, that's exactly what I am talkin' 'bout....Great!...Nae

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Hey, hey, that's exactly what I am talkin' 'bout....Great!...Nae

Re: religion

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> > I've met and I'd definitely say she's a mover and a

> > shaker....LOL!

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> >

> > who thinks is an incredible woman :)

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> Hear hear!!! And don't forget a screamer!!!

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> Susi

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{{{}}} That's such a lovely thing to say...thanks!

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> shaker....LOL!

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> who thinks is an incredible woman :)

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{{{}}} That's such a lovely thing to say...thanks!

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> I've met and I'd definitely say she's a mover and a

> shaker....LOL!

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> who thinks is an incredible woman :)

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In a message dated 5/13/00 6:53:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

stolzfamily@... writes:

<< Does she go to CCD? Have they said anything about her recieving the

sacraments. >>

, Yes, last year we tried including her in a regular first grade RE

class with me as her aide, but it was not a good situation. The materials

weren't adapted, so she was disruptive, to say the least. The teachers were

very welcoming and supportive of in their class, but it was agony for

me. This year, 2nd grade, we've faced so many other challenges - the autism

dx, hip surgery, hypothroidism dx, changing meds, etc. - that we haven't had

the time or energy to deal with her religious education. Our pastor recently

hired a special need RE coordinator and we have had a few meetings with

parents of special needs students. There is a Catholic special needs program

at a neighboring church called REACH, which is an option we are considering -

adapted materials, one-on-one aides, etc. Also, we are looking for people to

aide for inclusion RE classes in our own parish, with the new coordinator

working on adaptations. We've also got a special needs mom's support group

that meets regularly now. Our pastor and church are committed to the

religious education of ALL children in our community, which is one of the

reasons we belong to this parish. In fact, I have been pleasantly surprised

to hear frequently from the pulpit about people with special needs. For

instance, in yesterday's letter from the pastor in our bulletin, he mentioned

remembering and praying for infertile couples as well as for parents of

children with special needs this Mother's Day. I love this guy! As for

's first communion, they are very supportive and willing to work with

us in a way that we are comfortable. Recently, they recommended that we try

her with unconsecrated hosts for practice, but she won't even put one in her

mouth!! The way I look at it is that she's does most things late, so this

particular milestone will be late too, and that's OK. It just hurt a little

when I saw three of the neighbor girls in front of their houses getting their

pictures taken on their first communion day. Ir reminded me of how I felt

when my friends' children were all walking around 18 months, but

didn't walk 'till 3 years, 3 months. It was late, but she did it!! That's

how I look at it. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for offering to help, !

Maureen

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In a message dated 5/15/00 10:55:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MRASMUS@...

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<< The way I look at it is that she's does most things late, so this

particular milestone will be late too, and that's OK. It just hurt a little

when I saw three of the neighbor girls in front of their houses getting

their

pictures taken on their first communion day. Ir reminded me of how I felt

when my friends' children were all walking around 18 months, but

didn't walk 'till 3 years, 3 months. It was late, but she did it!! That's

how I look at it. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for offering to help, !

>>

Yes, indeed Maureen. It does hurt. My Alison just received her First Holy

Communion two weeks ago and I can't help but feel she was our last. I can't

say that for sure naturally, but even if Maddie someday makes her first holy

communion, it'll be different........Oh, and it may require the application

of ketchup!!!! LOL

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> Yes, indeed Maureen. It does hurt. My Alison just received her

> First Holy

> Communion two weeks ago and I can't help but feel she was our last.

> I can't

> say that for sure naturally, but even if Maddie someday makes her

> first holy

> communion, it'll be different........Oh, and it may require the

> application

> of ketchup!!!! LOL

> Donna

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Donna,

Ketchup.........hmmmmmm.....I never thought of that! We may try it! LOL

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To everyone:

I cannot prove to anyone that God exists, just like you can't prove to me

that God doesn't exist.

I hate hypocrites, who I see in church, every Sunday, and as soon as they

leave the church, they start to point at someone different from them, like

someone in a wheelchair, start gossiping, and others go on with their

affairs, cheating on their spouses. If you can't love or accept other

people, then you have no capacity to love God or feel his love for you.

Like I mentioned before, I don't blame God for any of my pain or illness.

People shouldn't be put down for believing or not believing. Its an

individual choice.

I have a short story, many of you probably heard it already. But here it

is:

Once a man spoke with God. He had so many questions for God, like why is

there such pain in the world? Why is there evil in the hearts of so many

people? He finally demanded to know, why, with all the pain and injustices,

doesn't God do anything, why doesn't God send help??? God simply answered,

" I did send help, I sent YOU! "

Has anyone noticed that when something bad happens, most people blame God

and cry out, " How could God allow this to happen? Why didn't he help? "

Yet, when something wonderful happens, God gets no credit whatsoever.

People get the credit. God only gets blame.

Lets not argue who is wrong or right about God and how it relates to our

suffering. We each have a different point of view, and I think we've

responded respectfully to this topic. Lets end it, please. We'll just keep

going in circles otherwise.

Meg.

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I agree Meg that going in circles is bad - especially

if the same item is contiunally pounded upon. I'm not

sure, though, I've seen that happen just yet within

this 'thread'as I do appreciate 's explanation of

his agnostic beliefs, as well as Jay's brief analysis

of Evolution. I also like your short story below (I

am one who hadn't heard that before)! Mitch

--- " Meg W. " <pink-tulip@...> wrote:

> To everyone:

>

> I cannot prove to anyone that God exists, just like

> you can't prove to me

> that God doesn't exist.

>

> I hate hypocrites, who I see in church, every

> Sunday, and as soon as they

> leave the church, they start to point at someone

> different from them, like

> someone in a wheelchair, start gossiping, and others

> go on with their

> affairs, cheating on their spouses. If you can't

> love or accept other

> people, then you have no capacity to love God or

> feel his love for you.

>

> Like I mentioned before, I don't blame God for any

> of my pain or illness.

> People shouldn't be put down for believing or not

> believing. Its an

> individual choice.

>

> I have a short story, many of you probably heard it

> already. But here it

> is:

>

> Once a man spoke with God. He had so many questions

> for God, like why is

> there such pain in the world? Why is there evil in

> the hearts of so many

> people? He finally demanded to know, why, with all

> the pain and injustices,

> doesn't God do anything, why doesn't God send

> help??? God simply answered,

> " I did send help, I sent YOU! "

>

> Has anyone noticed that when something bad happens,

> most people blame God

> and cry out, " How could God allow this to happen?

> Why didn't he help? "

> Yet, when something wonderful happens, God gets no

> credit whatsoever.

> People get the credit. God only gets blame.

>

> Lets not argue who is wrong or right about God and

> how it relates to our

> suffering. We each have a different point of view,

> and I think we've

> responded respectfully to this topic. Lets end it,

> please. We'll just keep

> going in circles otherwise.

>

> Meg.

>

>

>

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Hi Chantelle,

The first thing I would do would be to speak with your Rabbi. Has he/she had

other special needs congregants in other congregations? If he/she has, what

worked for them? Maybe your rabbi already has ideas about how to fit your son in

to your worship community but is waiting for you to reach out. Or maybe your

Rabbi wonders why your son isn't regularly attending services and is not worried

about his " noise " --I've seen that happen in other congregations.

Each worship community and congregation has their own way of handling and

welcoming their special needs congregants. Each must decide what will be best

for them. I believe you should involve your congregation--speak with your Rabbi

and ask if your situation can be presented to the Temple council. There may be

other special needs congregants your don't know about and this will spur them to

be more inclusive. Some denominations actually have special religious education

programs you may not know about--but your Rabbi will.

Perhaps start going to regular worship services. If your son can understand

this--he may stay until he makes too much noise and then you and he will have to

leave.

I am a church musician, so I always take this tact--can you involve him your

your Temple choir or do they have other musical groups he can be involved with?

Bells? Drums? Other instruments?

If he enjoys--and the kids enjoy--him being with the younger kids, I see nothing

wrong with that. It gets trickier with the young adult group--they will be

going off to college and he won't.

Take care and I will see what else I can learn from some of my contacts. ,

here at IPADD, may also have other ideas.

Marie

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Hi Chantelle,

The first thing I would do would be to speak with your Rabbi. Has he/she had

other special needs congregants in other congregations? If he/she has, what

worked for them? Maybe your rabbi already has ideas about how to fit your son in

to your worship community but is waiting for you to reach out. Or maybe your

Rabbi wonders why your son isn't regularly attending services and is not worried

about his " noise " --I've seen that happen in other congregations.

Each worship community and congregation has their own way of handling and

welcoming their special needs congregants. Each must decide what will be best

for them. I believe you should involve your congregation--speak with your Rabbi

and ask if your situation can be presented to the Temple council. There may be

other special needs congregants your don't know about and this will spur them to

be more inclusive. Some denominations actually have special religious education

programs you may not know about--but your Rabbi will.

Perhaps start going to regular worship services. If your son can understand

this--he may stay until he makes too much noise and then you and he will have to

leave.

I am a church musician, so I always take this tact--can you involve him your

your Temple choir or do they have other musical groups he can be involved with?

Bells? Drums? Other instruments?

If he enjoys--and the kids enjoy--him being with the younger kids, I see nothing

wrong with that. It gets trickier with the young adult group--they will be

going off to college and he won't.

Take care and I will see what else I can learn from some of my contacts. ,

here at IPADD, may also have other ideas.

Marie

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It's a good starting point that your son wants to go to services each week.  Is

it that you feel he is too noisy or have other members of the congregation

indicated this?  Is your son in religious education if that is available for

his age group?  Would it help to have a same-age or slightly younger peer

mentor/'friend sit with him during services?  Is there some aspect of the

service that he can carry out?

 

I run a group home and our residents go to church.  At times, they are readers,

acolytes, in various processions or greeters before or after the

service. They are older and understand about being quite except at the more

" social " times during the service (exchange of peace greeting). 

 

However, there is also a young man, perhaps slightly younger than your son, who

is in our congregation and who can be very voerbal and active.  His mother is

in the choir and he will come up next to the choir director and " conduct " along

side her.  He sings loundly and in his own fashion.  Nevertheless, he has

learned to be an acolyte along with other young people.  At least once a month

he is up on the altar, assisting the priest.  He is coached an prompted by

another (nt) acolyte and does just fine.  He is very proud of himself in this

role.  I believe that he attends religious education with an aid or maybe with

one of his parents.  Recently, he went through the church rite of confirmation

along with his age peers.

Affirmation to you for recognizing and takign care of your son's spiritual life,

too.

 

andra Conroy

Community Leader

L'Arche Chicago

" The secret to l'Arche is relationship: meeting people...heart to heart " .  Jean

Vanier

Visit us on the 2nd Thursday of each month!

 

andra Conroy

Executive Director and Community Leader

L'Arche Chicago 1049 S Austin Blvd Chicago IL

60644                     

Office:312-226-1273 Home: 773-287-8249

From: cporter8404 <cporter8404@...>

Subject: Religion

IPADDUnite

Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:30 AM

 

We are having some difficulty figuring out how to fit our son in a meaningful

way into temple. He is 17 but he prefers to do actitivies with kids. He is very

noisy so typical services are out and since he wants to be around the kids that

isn't really workable. We do have a family service but it is once a month and

since he wants to go every week that leaves us kind of lacking. The people are

welcoming so that's not an issue. There are only two other special needs

children (13 and 8) and no special needs adults. He belongs to Senior Youth

Group but soon the people he knows will go to college.

We'd appreciate any input.

Thanks.

Chantelle

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It's a good starting point that your son wants to go to services each week.  Is

it that you feel he is too noisy or have other members of the congregation

indicated this?  Is your son in religious education if that is available for

his age group?  Would it help to have a same-age or slightly younger peer

mentor/'friend sit with him during services?  Is there some aspect of the

service that he can carry out?

 

I run a group home and our residents go to church.  At times, they are readers,

acolytes, in various processions or greeters before or after the

service. They are older and understand about being quite except at the more

" social " times during the service (exchange of peace greeting). 

 

However, there is also a young man, perhaps slightly younger than your son, who

is in our congregation and who can be very voerbal and active.  His mother is

in the choir and he will come up next to the choir director and " conduct " along

side her.  He sings loundly and in his own fashion.  Nevertheless, he has

learned to be an acolyte along with other young people.  At least once a month

he is up on the altar, assisting the priest.  He is coached an prompted by

another (nt) acolyte and does just fine.  He is very proud of himself in this

role.  I believe that he attends religious education with an aid or maybe with

one of his parents.  Recently, he went through the church rite of confirmation

along with his age peers.

Affirmation to you for recognizing and takign care of your son's spiritual life,

too.

 

andra Conroy

Community Leader

L'Arche Chicago

" The secret to l'Arche is relationship: meeting people...heart to heart " .  Jean

Vanier

Visit us on the 2nd Thursday of each month!

 

andra Conroy

Executive Director and Community Leader

L'Arche Chicago 1049 S Austin Blvd Chicago IL

60644                     

Office:312-226-1273 Home: 773-287-8249

From: cporter8404 <cporter8404@...>

Subject: Religion

IPADDUnite

Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:30 AM

 

We are having some difficulty figuring out how to fit our son in a meaningful

way into temple. He is 17 but he prefers to do actitivies with kids. He is very

noisy so typical services are out and since he wants to be around the kids that

isn't really workable. We do have a family service but it is once a month and

since he wants to go every week that leaves us kind of lacking. The people are

welcoming so that's not an issue. There are only two other special needs

children (13 and 8) and no special needs adults. He belongs to Senior Youth

Group but soon the people he knows will go to college.

We'd appreciate any input.

Thanks.

Chantelle

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Chantelle,

I have been thinking about your post all morning and have a few questions to ask

that I hope will help you.

Where are you located? I have contacts in the religious/music/disability all

over the state and may know some one in your community that could be of service

to you.

What is your son's disability? It helps to know exactly what his challenges

are.

Has he made his Bar Mitzvah?? If he did, what did you do and what accommodations

were made to help him do it? If he didn't, do you want him to?

How does he let you know he wants to be more involved? Does he tell you or act

like he does? Would his occasional participation in the service be something he

would like or not?

A congregation can be welcoming and understanding and that's good. It's another

thing to encourage active participation of those with challenges in worship and

in the life of the congregation.

Marie

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Chantelle,

I have been thinking about your post all morning and have a few questions to ask

that I hope will help you.

Where are you located? I have contacts in the religious/music/disability all

over the state and may know some one in your community that could be of service

to you.

What is your son's disability? It helps to know exactly what his challenges

are.

Has he made his Bar Mitzvah?? If he did, what did you do and what accommodations

were made to help him do it? If he didn't, do you want him to?

How does he let you know he wants to be more involved? Does he tell you or act

like he does? Would his occasional participation in the service be something he

would like or not?

A congregation can be welcoming and understanding and that's good. It's another

thing to encourage active participation of those with challenges in worship and

in the life of the congregation.

Marie

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Chantelle,

It sounds like you just got some really useful recommendations (involving the

Rabbi in the problem solving, carving out a special and supported piece of the

service for your son, and letting him continue to stay involved with the youth

group considering his competency and investment with that group).  I hope that

those work out, and I just wanted to say that I am so impressed that you have

stayed true to giving your son a religious education and spiritual connection. 

So many special needs families have to give that up.  In my opinion, that

connection may actually be the single most important relationship support that

these families have in their lives for the long-term.

Keep up the great work!!

Re: Religion

 

Hi Chantelle,

The first thing I would do would be to speak with your Rabbi. Has he/she had

other special needs congregants in other congregations? If he/she has, what

worked for them? Maybe your rabbi already has ideas about how to fit your son in

to your worship community but is waiting for you to reach out. Or maybe your

Rabbi wonders why your son isn't regularly attending services and is not worried

about his " noise " --I've seen that happen in other congregations.

Each worship community and congregation has their own way of handling and

welcoming their special needs congregants. Each must decide what will be best

for them. I believe you should involve your congregation--speak with your Rabbi

and ask if your situation can be presented to the Temple council. There may be

other special needs congregants your don't know about and this will spur them to

be more inclusive. Some denominations actually have special religious education

programs you may not know about--but your Rabbi will.

Perhaps start going to regular worship services. If your son can understand

this--he may stay until he makes too much noise and then you and he will have to

leave.

I am a church musician, so I always take this tact--can you involve him your

your Temple choir or do they have other musical groups he can be involved with?

Bells? Drums? Other instruments?

If he enjoys--and the kids enjoy--him being with the younger kids, I see nothing

wrong with that. It gets trickier with the young adult group--they will be going

off to college and he won't.

Take care and I will see what else I can learn from some of my contacts. ,

here at IPADD, may also have other ideas.

Marie

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Chantelle,

It sounds like you just got some really useful recommendations (involving the

Rabbi in the problem solving, carving out a special and supported piece of the

service for your son, and letting him continue to stay involved with the youth

group considering his competency and investment with that group).  I hope that

those work out, and I just wanted to say that I am so impressed that you have

stayed true to giving your son a religious education and spiritual connection. 

So many special needs families have to give that up.  In my opinion, that

connection may actually be the single most important relationship support that

these families have in their lives for the long-term.

Keep up the great work!!

Re: Religion

 

Hi Chantelle,

The first thing I would do would be to speak with your Rabbi. Has he/she had

other special needs congregants in other congregations? If he/she has, what

worked for them? Maybe your rabbi already has ideas about how to fit your son in

to your worship community but is waiting for you to reach out. Or maybe your

Rabbi wonders why your son isn't regularly attending services and is not worried

about his " noise " --I've seen that happen in other congregations.

Each worship community and congregation has their own way of handling and

welcoming their special needs congregants. Each must decide what will be best

for them. I believe you should involve your congregation--speak with your Rabbi

and ask if your situation can be presented to the Temple council. There may be

other special needs congregants your don't know about and this will spur them to

be more inclusive. Some denominations actually have special religious education

programs you may not know about--but your Rabbi will.

Perhaps start going to regular worship services. If your son can understand

this--he may stay until he makes too much noise and then you and he will have to

leave.

I am a church musician, so I always take this tact--can you involve him your

your Temple choir or do they have other musical groups he can be involved with?

Bells? Drums? Other instruments?

If he enjoys--and the kids enjoy--him being with the younger kids, I see nothing

wrong with that. It gets trickier with the young adult group--they will be going

off to college and he won't.

Take care and I will see what else I can learn from some of my contacts. ,

here at IPADD, may also have other ideas.

Marie

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I have three contributions to this conversation.

1. This is right up Cindi Swanson's ally. She is the inclusion

facilitator for her parish in Naperville and has organized more than one

conference on this topic. She may have materials that will support you.

2. Alan Goldberg from Wilmette also has been very active in including

people with disabilities in his synagogue. Mike and I were lucky to be

invited to his daughter's Bat Misvah (I hope I've spelled that right). What

a joyous celebration was that was. He would be a wonderful resource for you.

His e-mail is AlanG714@.... I don't think he is on this list. But, I'm

not sure.

3. And the third note is that every Sunday we take and his three

housemates to church with us. Two of the guys are now ushers which they do

with no support from me and a modest amount of support from their fellow

ushers. All three of them thoroughly enjoy coffee hour before hand

(especially the cookies). I've watched their social skills blossom. They

support me by helping get organized up with a tray, paper plate,

soda, and napkins.

lasts to the Gloria Patri, a brief song that happens about 15 minutes

into church. He knows that is when he and I leave early. It's how long he

can sit still and be patient. I love holding his face in my hands and sing

that song to him. I'm a horrible singer and he still loves it. It's an

incredibly tender moment for me.

Charlotte

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:20 AM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: Religion

It's a good starting point that your son wants to go to services each week.

Is it that you feel he is too noisy or have other members of the

congregation indicated this? Is your son in religious education if that is

available for his age group? Would it help to have a same-age or slightly

younger peer mentor/'friend sit with him during services? Is there some

aspect of the service that he can carry out?

I run a group home and our residents go to church. At times, they are

readers, acolytes, in various processions or greeters before or after the

service. They are older and understand about being quite except at the more

" social " times during the service (exchange of peace greeting).

However, there is also a young man, perhaps slightly younger than your son,

who is in our congregation and who can be very voerbal and active. His

mother is in the choir and he will come up next to the choir director and

" conduct " along side her. He sings loundly and in his own fashion.

Nevertheless, he has learned to be an acolyte along with other young people.

At least once a month he is up on the altar, assisting the priest. He is

coached an prompted by another (nt) acolyte and does just fine. He is very

proud of himself in this role. I believe that he attends religious

education with an aid or maybe with one of his parents. Recently, he went

through the church rite of confirmation along with his age peers.

Affirmation to you for recognizing and takign care of your son's spiritual

life, too.

andra Conroy

Community Leader

L'Arche Chicago

" The secret to l'Arche is relationship: meeting people...heart to heart " .

Vanier

Visit us on the 2nd Thursday of each month!

andra Conroy

Executive Director and Community Leader

L'Arche Chicago 1049 S Austin Blvd Chicago IL 60644

Office:312-226-1273 Home: 773-287-8249

From: cporter8404 <cporter8404@ <mailto:cporter8404%40wowway.com>

wowway.com>

Subject: Religion

IPADDUnite@gro <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> ups.com

Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:30 AM

We are having some difficulty figuring out how to fit our son in a

meaningful way into temple. He is 17 but he prefers to do actitivies with

kids. He is very noisy so typical services are out and since he wants to be

around the kids that isn't really workable. We do have a family service but

it is once a month and since he wants to go every week that leaves us kind

of lacking. The people are welcoming so that's not an issue. There are only

two other special needs children (13 and 8) and no special needs adults. He

belongs to Senior Youth Group but soon the people he knows will go to

college.

We'd appreciate any input.

Thanks.

Chantelle

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I have three contributions to this conversation.

1. This is right up Cindi Swanson's ally. She is the inclusion

facilitator for her parish in Naperville and has organized more than one

conference on this topic. She may have materials that will support you.

2. Alan Goldberg from Wilmette also has been very active in including

people with disabilities in his synagogue. Mike and I were lucky to be

invited to his daughter's Bat Misvah (I hope I've spelled that right). What

a joyous celebration was that was. He would be a wonderful resource for you.

His e-mail is AlanG714@.... I don't think he is on this list. But, I'm

not sure.

3. And the third note is that every Sunday we take and his three

housemates to church with us. Two of the guys are now ushers which they do

with no support from me and a modest amount of support from their fellow

ushers. All three of them thoroughly enjoy coffee hour before hand

(especially the cookies). I've watched their social skills blossom. They

support me by helping get organized up with a tray, paper plate,

soda, and napkins.

lasts to the Gloria Patri, a brief song that happens about 15 minutes

into church. He knows that is when he and I leave early. It's how long he

can sit still and be patient. I love holding his face in my hands and sing

that song to him. I'm a horrible singer and he still loves it. It's an

incredibly tender moment for me.

Charlotte

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From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On

Behalf Of L'Arche Chicago

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:20 AM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: Religion

It's a good starting point that your son wants to go to services each week.

Is it that you feel he is too noisy or have other members of the

congregation indicated this? Is your son in religious education if that is

available for his age group? Would it help to have a same-age or slightly

younger peer mentor/'friend sit with him during services? Is there some

aspect of the service that he can carry out?

I run a group home and our residents go to church. At times, they are

readers, acolytes, in various processions or greeters before or after the

service. They are older and understand about being quite except at the more

" social " times during the service (exchange of peace greeting).

However, there is also a young man, perhaps slightly younger than your son,

who is in our congregation and who can be very voerbal and active. His

mother is in the choir and he will come up next to the choir director and

" conduct " along side her. He sings loundly and in his own fashion.

Nevertheless, he has learned to be an acolyte along with other young people.

At least once a month he is up on the altar, assisting the priest. He is

coached an prompted by another (nt) acolyte and does just fine. He is very

proud of himself in this role. I believe that he attends religious

education with an aid or maybe with one of his parents. Recently, he went

through the church rite of confirmation along with his age peers.

Affirmation to you for recognizing and takign care of your son's spiritual

life, too.

andra Conroy

Community Leader

L'Arche Chicago

" The secret to l'Arche is relationship: meeting people...heart to heart " .

Vanier

Visit us on the 2nd Thursday of each month!

andra Conroy

Executive Director and Community Leader

L'Arche Chicago 1049 S Austin Blvd Chicago IL 60644

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Subject: Religion

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Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:30 AM

We are having some difficulty figuring out how to fit our son in a

meaningful way into temple. He is 17 but he prefers to do actitivies with

kids. He is very noisy so typical services are out and since he wants to be

around the kids that isn't really workable. We do have a family service but

it is once a month and since he wants to go every week that leaves us kind

of lacking. The people are welcoming so that's not an issue. There are only

two other special needs children (13 and 8) and no special needs adults. He

belongs to Senior Youth Group but soon the people he knows will go to

college.

We'd appreciate any input.

Thanks.

Chantelle

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Hi Chantelle:

Your question has generated some very interesting and wonderful responses. I

can also add that, in addition to the information I emailed you about Keshet,

that I have a very similar experience with Noah at Friday night services that

Charlotte recounts with in church when she is singing to him. There are

lots of songs during the Friday night service and if I mouth them to Noah, he

will try his best to repeat the Hebrew...sometimes just a word or two, but he

definitely is participating more and more. It is very special to witness. When

Noah jumps up to rearrange things during the service, the other congregants are

so used to him that no one skips a beat and the congregant who usually runs the

Friday night service is totally amused by and I think touched by Noah's various

activities during the service.

I hope you will be able to figure out ways to provide your son with what he

needs. Happy to talk to you about it more, offline.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

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Hi Chantelle:

Your question has generated some very interesting and wonderful responses. I

can also add that, in addition to the information I emailed you about Keshet,

that I have a very similar experience with Noah at Friday night services that

Charlotte recounts with in church when she is singing to him. There are

lots of songs during the Friday night service and if I mouth them to Noah, he

will try his best to repeat the Hebrew...sometimes just a word or two, but he

definitely is participating more and more. It is very special to witness. When

Noah jumps up to rearrange things during the service, the other congregants are

so used to him that no one skips a beat and the congregant who usually runs the

Friday night service is totally amused by and I think touched by Noah's various

activities during the service.

I hope you will be able to figure out ways to provide your son with what he

needs. Happy to talk to you about it more, offline.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

847/212-3036 (cell)

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I have to share an amusing story my husband shared with me. He stays with

the " guys " at church after and I leave.

has a housemate named . is old enough to be retired

and had lived with family all of his life until he moved in with ,

, and Stanley. I am told that his family had been VERY active church

goers, participating several times at various activities across a week. So

he's REALLY comfortable at church.

This amusing moment happened within the first two or three times that

attended church with us. This particular Sunday, Pastor Randy called

all the elders and deacons up to installed. Of course, some of these guys

were " re-upping " . Others were brand new. was not sitting with Mike.

We were respecting his independence (still do).

Any way, when Pastor Randy called the " session " up to be installed

just walked up and joined them. Nobody knew who he was. It was a toot.

Mike and I laughed for a month and the congregation was great, though many

people checked in with me over the next month or so as they puzzled through

it.

You've got to find your laughs where you can.

Charlotte

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From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On

Behalf Of Ellen Bronfeld

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:23 PM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: Religion

Hi Chantelle:

Your question has generated some very interesting and wonderful responses. I

can also add that, in addition to the information I emailed you about

Keshet, that I have a very similar experience with Noah at Friday night

services that Charlotte recounts with in church when she is singing

to him. There are lots of songs during the Friday night service and if I

mouth them to Noah, he will try his best to repeat the Hebrew...sometimes

just a word or two, but he definitely is participating more and more. It is

very special to witness. When Noah jumps up to rearrange things during the

service, the other congregants are so used to him that no one skips a beat

and the congregant who usually runs the Friday night service is totally

amused by and I think touched by Noah's various activities during the

service.

I hope you will be able to figure out ways to provide your son with what he

needs. Happy to talk to you about it more, offline.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net

847/212-3036 (cell)

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I have to share an amusing story my husband shared with me. He stays with

the " guys " at church after and I leave.

has a housemate named . is old enough to be retired

and had lived with family all of his life until he moved in with ,

, and Stanley. I am told that his family had been VERY active church

goers, participating several times at various activities across a week. So

he's REALLY comfortable at church.

This amusing moment happened within the first two or three times that

attended church with us. This particular Sunday, Pastor Randy called

all the elders and deacons up to installed. Of course, some of these guys

were " re-upping " . Others were brand new. was not sitting with Mike.

We were respecting his independence (still do).

Any way, when Pastor Randy called the " session " up to be installed

just walked up and joined them. Nobody knew who he was. It was a toot.

Mike and I laughed for a month and the congregation was great, though many

people checked in with me over the next month or so as they puzzled through

it.

You've got to find your laughs where you can.

Charlotte

_____

From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On

Behalf Of Ellen Bronfeld

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:23 PM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: Religion

Hi Chantelle:

Your question has generated some very interesting and wonderful responses. I

can also add that, in addition to the information I emailed you about

Keshet, that I have a very similar experience with Noah at Friday night

services that Charlotte recounts with in church when she is singing

to him. There are lots of songs during the Friday night service and if I

mouth them to Noah, he will try his best to repeat the Hebrew...sometimes

just a word or two, but he definitely is participating more and more. It is

very special to witness. When Noah jumps up to rearrange things during the

service, the other congregants are so used to him that no one skips a beat

and the congregant who usually runs the Friday night service is totally

amused by and I think touched by Noah's various activities during the

service.

I hope you will be able to figure out ways to provide your son with what he

needs. Happy to talk to you about it more, offline.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net

847/212-3036 (cell)

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I found this information when a friend mentioned this resource. I've copied

information from the home page and will copy a link in my next posting. I love

that they are making February 2010 Jewish Disability Awareness Month. Those of

you who are Jewish and are active in your Synagogues, make sure your

congregations know about that...isn't it wonderful?

Marie

Jewish Special Education

International Consortium

About Us

Mission Statement

Articles

Newsletter Archive

Jewish Special Education Resources

Links to general Special Education Information

Links to Jewish Agencies and Programs Offering Special Needs Services

Links to Jewish Disability Awareness Month Program Ideas

The Jewish Special Education International Consortium is made up of

individuals from throughout the United States and Canada. This website

is the result of the efforts of these individuals to provide support and

services

to children and adults with special needs in the Jewish community.

Throughout this site you will find resources and materials for your use

to help make your community a welcoming place for all.

Watch for more information soon on

ways to promote awareness in your

communities during the second annual

Jewish Disability Awareness Month

Resource Guides

Jewish Special Education Resource Guide

Produced by the Partnership for Jewish Life and Learning

Open Wide the Gates of the Temple So That All May Worship

United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism's

Commission on Inclusion of People With Disabilities

The following organizations have partnered to promote

the month of February as Jewish Disability Awareness Month:

Council for the Jewish Disabled

Union for Reform Judaism

United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism

The Jewish Federations of North America

Association of Jewish Family and Children's Agencies

For more information contact: info@...

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I found this information when a friend mentioned this resource. I've copied

information from the home page and will copy a link in my next posting. I love

that they are making February 2010 Jewish Disability Awareness Month. Those of

you who are Jewish and are active in your Synagogues, make sure your

congregations know about that...isn't it wonderful?

Marie

Jewish Special Education

International Consortium

About Us

Mission Statement

Articles

Newsletter Archive

Jewish Special Education Resources

Links to general Special Education Information

Links to Jewish Agencies and Programs Offering Special Needs Services

Links to Jewish Disability Awareness Month Program Ideas

The Jewish Special Education International Consortium is made up of

individuals from throughout the United States and Canada. This website

is the result of the efforts of these individuals to provide support and

services

to children and adults with special needs in the Jewish community.

Throughout this site you will find resources and materials for your use

to help make your community a welcoming place for all.

Watch for more information soon on

ways to promote awareness in your

communities during the second annual

Jewish Disability Awareness Month

Resource Guides

Jewish Special Education Resource Guide

Produced by the Partnership for Jewish Life and Learning

Open Wide the Gates of the Temple So That All May Worship

United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism's

Commission on Inclusion of People With Disabilities

The following organizations have partnered to promote

the month of February as Jewish Disability Awareness Month:

Council for the Jewish Disabled

Union for Reform Judaism

United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism

The Jewish Federations of North America

Association of Jewish Family and Children's Agencies

For more information contact: info@...

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