Guest guest Posted April 28, 2000 Report Share Posted April 28, 2000 Hey, hey, that's exactly what I am talkin' 'bout....Great!...Nae Re: religion > > > > > > I've met and I'd definitely say she's a mover and a > > shaker....LOL! > > > > > > who thinks is an incredible woman > > Hear hear!!! And don't forget a screamer!!! > > Susi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > 1/3019/1/_/21226/_/956960952/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins with the first step. " > > Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2000 Report Share Posted April 28, 2000 Hey, hey, that's exactly what I am talkin' 'bout....Great!...Nae Re: religion > > > > > > I've met and I'd definitely say she's a mover and a > > shaker....LOL! > > > > > > who thinks is an incredible woman > > Hear hear!!! And don't forget a screamer!!! > > Susi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > 1/3019/1/_/21226/_/956960952/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins with the first step. " > > Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2000 Report Share Posted April 28, 2000 {{{}}} That's such a lovely thing to say...thanks! ;-) F > > I've met and I'd definitely say she's a mover and a > shaker....LOL! > > > who thinks is an incredible woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2000 Report Share Posted April 28, 2000 {{{}}} That's such a lovely thing to say...thanks! ;-) F > > I've met and I'd definitely say she's a mover and a > shaker....LOL! > > > who thinks is an incredible woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 In a message dated 5/13/00 6:53:07 PM Central Daylight Time, stolzfamily@... writes: << Does she go to CCD? Have they said anything about her recieving the sacraments. >> , Yes, last year we tried including her in a regular first grade RE class with me as her aide, but it was not a good situation. The materials weren't adapted, so she was disruptive, to say the least. The teachers were very welcoming and supportive of in their class, but it was agony for me. This year, 2nd grade, we've faced so many other challenges - the autism dx, hip surgery, hypothroidism dx, changing meds, etc. - that we haven't had the time or energy to deal with her religious education. Our pastor recently hired a special need RE coordinator and we have had a few meetings with parents of special needs students. There is a Catholic special needs program at a neighboring church called REACH, which is an option we are considering - adapted materials, one-on-one aides, etc. Also, we are looking for people to aide for inclusion RE classes in our own parish, with the new coordinator working on adaptations. We've also got a special needs mom's support group that meets regularly now. Our pastor and church are committed to the religious education of ALL children in our community, which is one of the reasons we belong to this parish. In fact, I have been pleasantly surprised to hear frequently from the pulpit about people with special needs. For instance, in yesterday's letter from the pastor in our bulletin, he mentioned remembering and praying for infertile couples as well as for parents of children with special needs this Mother's Day. I love this guy! As for 's first communion, they are very supportive and willing to work with us in a way that we are comfortable. Recently, they recommended that we try her with unconsecrated hosts for practice, but she won't even put one in her mouth!! The way I look at it is that she's does most things late, so this particular milestone will be late too, and that's OK. It just hurt a little when I saw three of the neighbor girls in front of their houses getting their pictures taken on their first communion day. Ir reminded me of how I felt when my friends' children were all walking around 18 months, but didn't walk 'till 3 years, 3 months. It was late, but she did it!! That's how I look at it. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for offering to help, ! Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 In a message dated 5/15/00 10:55:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MRASMUS@... writes: << The way I look at it is that she's does most things late, so this particular milestone will be late too, and that's OK. It just hurt a little when I saw three of the neighbor girls in front of their houses getting their pictures taken on their first communion day. Ir reminded me of how I felt when my friends' children were all walking around 18 months, but didn't walk 'till 3 years, 3 months. It was late, but she did it!! That's how I look at it. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for offering to help, ! >> Yes, indeed Maureen. It does hurt. My Alison just received her First Holy Communion two weeks ago and I can't help but feel she was our last. I can't say that for sure naturally, but even if Maddie someday makes her first holy communion, it'll be different........Oh, and it may require the application of ketchup!!!! LOL Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 O > > Yes, indeed Maureen. It does hurt. My Alison just received her > First Holy > Communion two weeks ago and I can't help but feel she was our last. > I can't > say that for sure naturally, but even if Maddie someday makes her > first holy > communion, it'll be different........Oh, and it may require the > application > of ketchup!!!! LOL > Donna > > Donna, Ketchup.........hmmmmmm.....I never thought of that! We may try it! LOL S ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 To everyone: I cannot prove to anyone that God exists, just like you can't prove to me that God doesn't exist. I hate hypocrites, who I see in church, every Sunday, and as soon as they leave the church, they start to point at someone different from them, like someone in a wheelchair, start gossiping, and others go on with their affairs, cheating on their spouses. If you can't love or accept other people, then you have no capacity to love God or feel his love for you. Like I mentioned before, I don't blame God for any of my pain or illness. People shouldn't be put down for believing or not believing. Its an individual choice. I have a short story, many of you probably heard it already. But here it is: Once a man spoke with God. He had so many questions for God, like why is there such pain in the world? Why is there evil in the hearts of so many people? He finally demanded to know, why, with all the pain and injustices, doesn't God do anything, why doesn't God send help??? God simply answered, " I did send help, I sent YOU! " Has anyone noticed that when something bad happens, most people blame God and cry out, " How could God allow this to happen? Why didn't he help? " Yet, when something wonderful happens, God gets no credit whatsoever. People get the credit. God only gets blame. Lets not argue who is wrong or right about God and how it relates to our suffering. We each have a different point of view, and I think we've responded respectfully to this topic. Lets end it, please. We'll just keep going in circles otherwise. Meg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I agree Meg that going in circles is bad - especially if the same item is contiunally pounded upon. I'm not sure, though, I've seen that happen just yet within this 'thread'as I do appreciate 's explanation of his agnostic beliefs, as well as Jay's brief analysis of Evolution. I also like your short story below (I am one who hadn't heard that before)! Mitch --- " Meg W. " <pink-tulip@...> wrote: > To everyone: > > I cannot prove to anyone that God exists, just like > you can't prove to me > that God doesn't exist. > > I hate hypocrites, who I see in church, every > Sunday, and as soon as they > leave the church, they start to point at someone > different from them, like > someone in a wheelchair, start gossiping, and others > go on with their > affairs, cheating on their spouses. If you can't > love or accept other > people, then you have no capacity to love God or > feel his love for you. > > Like I mentioned before, I don't blame God for any > of my pain or illness. > People shouldn't be put down for believing or not > believing. Its an > individual choice. > > I have a short story, many of you probably heard it > already. But here it > is: > > Once a man spoke with God. He had so many questions > for God, like why is > there such pain in the world? Why is there evil in > the hearts of so many > people? He finally demanded to know, why, with all > the pain and injustices, > doesn't God do anything, why doesn't God send > help??? God simply answered, > " I did send help, I sent YOU! " > > Has anyone noticed that when something bad happens, > most people blame God > and cry out, " How could God allow this to happen? > Why didn't he help? " > Yet, when something wonderful happens, God gets no > credit whatsoever. > People get the credit. God only gets blame. > > Lets not argue who is wrong or right about God and > how it relates to our > suffering. We each have a different point of view, > and I think we've > responded respectfully to this topic. Lets end it, > please. We'll just keep > going in circles otherwise. > > Meg. > > > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hi Chantelle, The first thing I would do would be to speak with your Rabbi. Has he/she had other special needs congregants in other congregations? If he/she has, what worked for them? Maybe your rabbi already has ideas about how to fit your son in to your worship community but is waiting for you to reach out. Or maybe your Rabbi wonders why your son isn't regularly attending services and is not worried about his " noise " --I've seen that happen in other congregations. Each worship community and congregation has their own way of handling and welcoming their special needs congregants. Each must decide what will be best for them. I believe you should involve your congregation--speak with your Rabbi and ask if your situation can be presented to the Temple council. There may be other special needs congregants your don't know about and this will spur them to be more inclusive. Some denominations actually have special religious education programs you may not know about--but your Rabbi will. Perhaps start going to regular worship services. If your son can understand this--he may stay until he makes too much noise and then you and he will have to leave. I am a church musician, so I always take this tact--can you involve him your your Temple choir or do they have other musical groups he can be involved with? Bells? Drums? Other instruments? If he enjoys--and the kids enjoy--him being with the younger kids, I see nothing wrong with that. It gets trickier with the young adult group--they will be going off to college and he won't. Take care and I will see what else I can learn from some of my contacts. , here at IPADD, may also have other ideas. Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hi Chantelle, The first thing I would do would be to speak with your Rabbi. Has he/she had other special needs congregants in other congregations? If he/she has, what worked for them? Maybe your rabbi already has ideas about how to fit your son in to your worship community but is waiting for you to reach out. Or maybe your Rabbi wonders why your son isn't regularly attending services and is not worried about his " noise " --I've seen that happen in other congregations. Each worship community and congregation has their own way of handling and welcoming their special needs congregants. Each must decide what will be best for them. I believe you should involve your congregation--speak with your Rabbi and ask if your situation can be presented to the Temple council. There may be other special needs congregants your don't know about and this will spur them to be more inclusive. Some denominations actually have special religious education programs you may not know about--but your Rabbi will. Perhaps start going to regular worship services. If your son can understand this--he may stay until he makes too much noise and then you and he will have to leave. I am a church musician, so I always take this tact--can you involve him your your Temple choir or do they have other musical groups he can be involved with? Bells? Drums? Other instruments? If he enjoys--and the kids enjoy--him being with the younger kids, I see nothing wrong with that. It gets trickier with the young adult group--they will be going off to college and he won't. Take care and I will see what else I can learn from some of my contacts. , here at IPADD, may also have other ideas. Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 It's a good starting point that your son wants to go to services each week. Is it that you feel he is too noisy or have other members of the congregation indicated this? Is your son in religious education if that is available for his age group? Would it help to have a same-age or slightly younger peer mentor/'friend sit with him during services? Is there some aspect of the service that he can carry out?  I run a group home and our residents go to church. At times, they are readers, acolytes, in various processions or greeters before or after the service. They are older and understand about being quite except at the more " social " times during the service (exchange of peace greeting).  However, there is also a young man, perhaps slightly younger than your son, who is in our congregation and who can be very voerbal and active. His mother is in the choir and he will come up next to the choir director and " conduct " along side her. He sings loundly and in his own fashion. Nevertheless, he has learned to be an acolyte along with other young people. At least once a month he is up on the altar, assisting the priest. He is coached an prompted by another (nt) acolyte and does just fine. He is very proud of himself in this role. I believe that he attends religious education with an aid or maybe with one of his parents. Recently, he went through the church rite of confirmation along with his age peers. Affirmation to you for recognizing and takign care of your son's spiritual life, too.  andra Conroy Community Leader L'Arche Chicago " The secret to l'Arche is relationship: meeting people...heart to heart " . Jean Vanier Visit us on the 2nd Thursday of each month!  andra Conroy Executive Director and Community Leader L'Arche Chicago 1049 S Austin Blvd Chicago IL 60644                     Office:312-226-1273 Home: 773-287-8249 From: cporter8404 <cporter8404@...> Subject: Religion IPADDUnite Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:30 AM  We are having some difficulty figuring out how to fit our son in a meaningful way into temple. He is 17 but he prefers to do actitivies with kids. He is very noisy so typical services are out and since he wants to be around the kids that isn't really workable. We do have a family service but it is once a month and since he wants to go every week that leaves us kind of lacking. The people are welcoming so that's not an issue. There are only two other special needs children (13 and 8) and no special needs adults. He belongs to Senior Youth Group but soon the people he knows will go to college. We'd appreciate any input. Thanks. Chantelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 It's a good starting point that your son wants to go to services each week. Is it that you feel he is too noisy or have other members of the congregation indicated this? Is your son in religious education if that is available for his age group? Would it help to have a same-age or slightly younger peer mentor/'friend sit with him during services? Is there some aspect of the service that he can carry out?  I run a group home and our residents go to church. At times, they are readers, acolytes, in various processions or greeters before or after the service. They are older and understand about being quite except at the more " social " times during the service (exchange of peace greeting).  However, there is also a young man, perhaps slightly younger than your son, who is in our congregation and who can be very voerbal and active. His mother is in the choir and he will come up next to the choir director and " conduct " along side her. He sings loundly and in his own fashion. Nevertheless, he has learned to be an acolyte along with other young people. At least once a month he is up on the altar, assisting the priest. He is coached an prompted by another (nt) acolyte and does just fine. He is very proud of himself in this role. I believe that he attends religious education with an aid or maybe with one of his parents. Recently, he went through the church rite of confirmation along with his age peers. Affirmation to you for recognizing and takign care of your son's spiritual life, too.  andra Conroy Community Leader L'Arche Chicago " The secret to l'Arche is relationship: meeting people...heart to heart " . Jean Vanier Visit us on the 2nd Thursday of each month!  andra Conroy Executive Director and Community Leader L'Arche Chicago 1049 S Austin Blvd Chicago IL 60644                     Office:312-226-1273 Home: 773-287-8249 From: cporter8404 <cporter8404@...> Subject: Religion IPADDUnite Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:30 AM  We are having some difficulty figuring out how to fit our son in a meaningful way into temple. He is 17 but he prefers to do actitivies with kids. He is very noisy so typical services are out and since he wants to be around the kids that isn't really workable. We do have a family service but it is once a month and since he wants to go every week that leaves us kind of lacking. The people are welcoming so that's not an issue. There are only two other special needs children (13 and 8) and no special needs adults. He belongs to Senior Youth Group but soon the people he knows will go to college. We'd appreciate any input. Thanks. Chantelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Chantelle, I have been thinking about your post all morning and have a few questions to ask that I hope will help you. Where are you located? I have contacts in the religious/music/disability all over the state and may know some one in your community that could be of service to you. What is your son's disability? It helps to know exactly what his challenges are. Has he made his Bar Mitzvah?? If he did, what did you do and what accommodations were made to help him do it? If he didn't, do you want him to? How does he let you know he wants to be more involved? Does he tell you or act like he does? Would his occasional participation in the service be something he would like or not? A congregation can be welcoming and understanding and that's good. It's another thing to encourage active participation of those with challenges in worship and in the life of the congregation. Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Chantelle, I have been thinking about your post all morning and have a few questions to ask that I hope will help you. Where are you located? I have contacts in the religious/music/disability all over the state and may know some one in your community that could be of service to you. What is your son's disability? It helps to know exactly what his challenges are. Has he made his Bar Mitzvah?? If he did, what did you do and what accommodations were made to help him do it? If he didn't, do you want him to? How does he let you know he wants to be more involved? Does he tell you or act like he does? Would his occasional participation in the service be something he would like or not? A congregation can be welcoming and understanding and that's good. It's another thing to encourage active participation of those with challenges in worship and in the life of the congregation. Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Chantelle, It sounds like you just got some really useful recommendations (involving the Rabbi in the problem solving, carving out a special and supported piece of the service for your son, and letting him continue to stay involved with the youth group considering his competency and investment with that group). I hope that those work out, and I just wanted to say that I am so impressed that you have stayed true to giving your son a religious education and spiritual connection. So many special needs families have to give that up. In my opinion, that connection may actually be the single most important relationship support that these families have in their lives for the long-term. Keep up the great work!! Re: Religion  Hi Chantelle, The first thing I would do would be to speak with your Rabbi. Has he/she had other special needs congregants in other congregations? If he/she has, what worked for them? Maybe your rabbi already has ideas about how to fit your son in to your worship community but is waiting for you to reach out. Or maybe your Rabbi wonders why your son isn't regularly attending services and is not worried about his " noise " --I've seen that happen in other congregations. Each worship community and congregation has their own way of handling and welcoming their special needs congregants. Each must decide what will be best for them. I believe you should involve your congregation--speak with your Rabbi and ask if your situation can be presented to the Temple council. There may be other special needs congregants your don't know about and this will spur them to be more inclusive. Some denominations actually have special religious education programs you may not know about--but your Rabbi will. Perhaps start going to regular worship services. If your son can understand this--he may stay until he makes too much noise and then you and he will have to leave. I am a church musician, so I always take this tact--can you involve him your your Temple choir or do they have other musical groups he can be involved with? Bells? Drums? Other instruments? If he enjoys--and the kids enjoy--him being with the younger kids, I see nothing wrong with that. It gets trickier with the young adult group--they will be going off to college and he won't. Take care and I will see what else I can learn from some of my contacts. , here at IPADD, may also have other ideas. Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Chantelle, It sounds like you just got some really useful recommendations (involving the Rabbi in the problem solving, carving out a special and supported piece of the service for your son, and letting him continue to stay involved with the youth group considering his competency and investment with that group). I hope that those work out, and I just wanted to say that I am so impressed that you have stayed true to giving your son a religious education and spiritual connection. So many special needs families have to give that up. In my opinion, that connection may actually be the single most important relationship support that these families have in their lives for the long-term. Keep up the great work!! Re: Religion  Hi Chantelle, The first thing I would do would be to speak with your Rabbi. Has he/she had other special needs congregants in other congregations? If he/she has, what worked for them? Maybe your rabbi already has ideas about how to fit your son in to your worship community but is waiting for you to reach out. Or maybe your Rabbi wonders why your son isn't regularly attending services and is not worried about his " noise " --I've seen that happen in other congregations. Each worship community and congregation has their own way of handling and welcoming their special needs congregants. Each must decide what will be best for them. I believe you should involve your congregation--speak with your Rabbi and ask if your situation can be presented to the Temple council. There may be other special needs congregants your don't know about and this will spur them to be more inclusive. Some denominations actually have special religious education programs you may not know about--but your Rabbi will. Perhaps start going to regular worship services. If your son can understand this--he may stay until he makes too much noise and then you and he will have to leave. I am a church musician, so I always take this tact--can you involve him your your Temple choir or do they have other musical groups he can be involved with? Bells? Drums? Other instruments? If he enjoys--and the kids enjoy--him being with the younger kids, I see nothing wrong with that. It gets trickier with the young adult group--they will be going off to college and he won't. Take care and I will see what else I can learn from some of my contacts. , here at IPADD, may also have other ideas. Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 I have three contributions to this conversation. 1. This is right up Cindi Swanson's ally. She is the inclusion facilitator for her parish in Naperville and has organized more than one conference on this topic. She may have materials that will support you. 2. Alan Goldberg from Wilmette also has been very active in including people with disabilities in his synagogue. Mike and I were lucky to be invited to his daughter's Bat Misvah (I hope I've spelled that right). What a joyous celebration was that was. He would be a wonderful resource for you. His e-mail is AlanG714@.... I don't think he is on this list. But, I'm not sure. 3. And the third note is that every Sunday we take and his three housemates to church with us. Two of the guys are now ushers which they do with no support from me and a modest amount of support from their fellow ushers. All three of them thoroughly enjoy coffee hour before hand (especially the cookies). I've watched their social skills blossom. They support me by helping get organized up with a tray, paper plate, soda, and napkins. lasts to the Gloria Patri, a brief song that happens about 15 minutes into church. He knows that is when he and I leave early. It's how long he can sit still and be patient. I love holding his face in my hands and sing that song to him. I'm a horrible singer and he still loves it. It's an incredibly tender moment for me. Charlotte _____ From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On Behalf Of L'Arche Chicago Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:20 AM IPADDUnite Subject: Re: Religion It's a good starting point that your son wants to go to services each week. Is it that you feel he is too noisy or have other members of the congregation indicated this? Is your son in religious education if that is available for his age group? Would it help to have a same-age or slightly younger peer mentor/'friend sit with him during services? Is there some aspect of the service that he can carry out? I run a group home and our residents go to church. At times, they are readers, acolytes, in various processions or greeters before or after the service. They are older and understand about being quite except at the more " social " times during the service (exchange of peace greeting). However, there is also a young man, perhaps slightly younger than your son, who is in our congregation and who can be very voerbal and active. His mother is in the choir and he will come up next to the choir director and " conduct " along side her. He sings loundly and in his own fashion. Nevertheless, he has learned to be an acolyte along with other young people. At least once a month he is up on the altar, assisting the priest. He is coached an prompted by another (nt) acolyte and does just fine. He is very proud of himself in this role. I believe that he attends religious education with an aid or maybe with one of his parents. Recently, he went through the church rite of confirmation along with his age peers. Affirmation to you for recognizing and takign care of your son's spiritual life, too. andra Conroy Community Leader L'Arche Chicago " The secret to l'Arche is relationship: meeting people...heart to heart " . Vanier Visit us on the 2nd Thursday of each month! andra Conroy Executive Director and Community Leader L'Arche Chicago 1049 S Austin Blvd Chicago IL 60644 Office:312-226-1273 Home: 773-287-8249 From: cporter8404 <cporter8404@ <mailto:cporter8404%40wowway.com> wowway.com> Subject: Religion IPADDUnite@gro <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> ups.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:30 AM We are having some difficulty figuring out how to fit our son in a meaningful way into temple. He is 17 but he prefers to do actitivies with kids. He is very noisy so typical services are out and since he wants to be around the kids that isn't really workable. We do have a family service but it is once a month and since he wants to go every week that leaves us kind of lacking. The people are welcoming so that's not an issue. There are only two other special needs children (13 and 8) and no special needs adults. He belongs to Senior Youth Group but soon the people he knows will go to college. We'd appreciate any input. Thanks. Chantelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 I have three contributions to this conversation. 1. This is right up Cindi Swanson's ally. She is the inclusion facilitator for her parish in Naperville and has organized more than one conference on this topic. She may have materials that will support you. 2. Alan Goldberg from Wilmette also has been very active in including people with disabilities in his synagogue. Mike and I were lucky to be invited to his daughter's Bat Misvah (I hope I've spelled that right). What a joyous celebration was that was. He would be a wonderful resource for you. His e-mail is AlanG714@.... I don't think he is on this list. But, I'm not sure. 3. And the third note is that every Sunday we take and his three housemates to church with us. Two of the guys are now ushers which they do with no support from me and a modest amount of support from their fellow ushers. All three of them thoroughly enjoy coffee hour before hand (especially the cookies). I've watched their social skills blossom. They support me by helping get organized up with a tray, paper plate, soda, and napkins. lasts to the Gloria Patri, a brief song that happens about 15 minutes into church. He knows that is when he and I leave early. It's how long he can sit still and be patient. I love holding his face in my hands and sing that song to him. I'm a horrible singer and he still loves it. It's an incredibly tender moment for me. Charlotte _____ From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On Behalf Of L'Arche Chicago Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:20 AM IPADDUnite Subject: Re: Religion It's a good starting point that your son wants to go to services each week. Is it that you feel he is too noisy or have other members of the congregation indicated this? Is your son in religious education if that is available for his age group? Would it help to have a same-age or slightly younger peer mentor/'friend sit with him during services? Is there some aspect of the service that he can carry out? I run a group home and our residents go to church. At times, they are readers, acolytes, in various processions or greeters before or after the service. They are older and understand about being quite except at the more " social " times during the service (exchange of peace greeting). However, there is also a young man, perhaps slightly younger than your son, who is in our congregation and who can be very voerbal and active. His mother is in the choir and he will come up next to the choir director and " conduct " along side her. He sings loundly and in his own fashion. Nevertheless, he has learned to be an acolyte along with other young people. At least once a month he is up on the altar, assisting the priest. He is coached an prompted by another (nt) acolyte and does just fine. He is very proud of himself in this role. I believe that he attends religious education with an aid or maybe with one of his parents. Recently, he went through the church rite of confirmation along with his age peers. Affirmation to you for recognizing and takign care of your son's spiritual life, too. andra Conroy Community Leader L'Arche Chicago " The secret to l'Arche is relationship: meeting people...heart to heart " . Vanier Visit us on the 2nd Thursday of each month! andra Conroy Executive Director and Community Leader L'Arche Chicago 1049 S Austin Blvd Chicago IL 60644 Office:312-226-1273 Home: 773-287-8249 From: cporter8404 <cporter8404@ <mailto:cporter8404%40wowway.com> wowway.com> Subject: Religion IPADDUnite@gro <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> ups.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:30 AM We are having some difficulty figuring out how to fit our son in a meaningful way into temple. He is 17 but he prefers to do actitivies with kids. He is very noisy so typical services are out and since he wants to be around the kids that isn't really workable. We do have a family service but it is once a month and since he wants to go every week that leaves us kind of lacking. The people are welcoming so that's not an issue. There are only two other special needs children (13 and 8) and no special needs adults. He belongs to Senior Youth Group but soon the people he knows will go to college. We'd appreciate any input. Thanks. Chantelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hi Chantelle: Your question has generated some very interesting and wonderful responses. I can also add that, in addition to the information I emailed you about Keshet, that I have a very similar experience with Noah at Friday night services that Charlotte recounts with in church when she is singing to him. There are lots of songs during the Friday night service and if I mouth them to Noah, he will try his best to repeat the Hebrew...sometimes just a word or two, but he definitely is participating more and more. It is very special to witness. When Noah jumps up to rearrange things during the service, the other congregants are so used to him that no one skips a beat and the congregant who usually runs the Friday night service is totally amused by and I think touched by Noah's various activities during the service. I hope you will be able to figure out ways to provide your son with what he needs. Happy to talk to you about it more, offline. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... 847/212-3036 (cell) ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hi Chantelle: Your question has generated some very interesting and wonderful responses. I can also add that, in addition to the information I emailed you about Keshet, that I have a very similar experience with Noah at Friday night services that Charlotte recounts with in church when she is singing to him. There are lots of songs during the Friday night service and if I mouth them to Noah, he will try his best to repeat the Hebrew...sometimes just a word or two, but he definitely is participating more and more. It is very special to witness. When Noah jumps up to rearrange things during the service, the other congregants are so used to him that no one skips a beat and the congregant who usually runs the Friday night service is totally amused by and I think touched by Noah's various activities during the service. I hope you will be able to figure out ways to provide your son with what he needs. Happy to talk to you about it more, offline. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... 847/212-3036 (cell) ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 I have to share an amusing story my husband shared with me. He stays with the " guys " at church after and I leave. has a housemate named . is old enough to be retired and had lived with family all of his life until he moved in with , , and Stanley. I am told that his family had been VERY active church goers, participating several times at various activities across a week. So he's REALLY comfortable at church. This amusing moment happened within the first two or three times that attended church with us. This particular Sunday, Pastor Randy called all the elders and deacons up to installed. Of course, some of these guys were " re-upping " . Others were brand new. was not sitting with Mike. We were respecting his independence (still do). Any way, when Pastor Randy called the " session " up to be installed just walked up and joined them. Nobody knew who he was. It was a toot. Mike and I laughed for a month and the congregation was great, though many people checked in with me over the next month or so as they puzzled through it. You've got to find your laughs where you can. Charlotte _____ From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On Behalf Of Ellen Bronfeld Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:23 PM IPADDUnite Subject: Re: Religion Hi Chantelle: Your question has generated some very interesting and wonderful responses. I can also add that, in addition to the information I emailed you about Keshet, that I have a very similar experience with Noah at Friday night services that Charlotte recounts with in church when she is singing to him. There are lots of songs during the Friday night service and if I mouth them to Noah, he will try his best to repeat the Hebrew...sometimes just a word or two, but he definitely is participating more and more. It is very special to witness. When Noah jumps up to rearrange things during the service, the other congregants are so used to him that no one skips a beat and the congregant who usually runs the Friday night service is totally amused by and I think touched by Noah's various activities during the service. I hope you will be able to figure out ways to provide your son with what he needs. Happy to talk to you about it more, offline. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net 847/212-3036 (cell) ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 I have to share an amusing story my husband shared with me. He stays with the " guys " at church after and I leave. has a housemate named . is old enough to be retired and had lived with family all of his life until he moved in with , , and Stanley. I am told that his family had been VERY active church goers, participating several times at various activities across a week. So he's REALLY comfortable at church. This amusing moment happened within the first two or three times that attended church with us. This particular Sunday, Pastor Randy called all the elders and deacons up to installed. Of course, some of these guys were " re-upping " . Others were brand new. was not sitting with Mike. We were respecting his independence (still do). Any way, when Pastor Randy called the " session " up to be installed just walked up and joined them. Nobody knew who he was. It was a toot. Mike and I laughed for a month and the congregation was great, though many people checked in with me over the next month or so as they puzzled through it. You've got to find your laughs where you can. Charlotte _____ From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On Behalf Of Ellen Bronfeld Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:23 PM IPADDUnite Subject: Re: Religion Hi Chantelle: Your question has generated some very interesting and wonderful responses. I can also add that, in addition to the information I emailed you about Keshet, that I have a very similar experience with Noah at Friday night services that Charlotte recounts with in church when she is singing to him. There are lots of songs during the Friday night service and if I mouth them to Noah, he will try his best to repeat the Hebrew...sometimes just a word or two, but he definitely is participating more and more. It is very special to witness. When Noah jumps up to rearrange things during the service, the other congregants are so used to him that no one skips a beat and the congregant who usually runs the Friday night service is totally amused by and I think touched by Noah's various activities during the service. I hope you will be able to figure out ways to provide your son with what he needs. Happy to talk to you about it more, offline. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net 847/212-3036 (cell) ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 I found this information when a friend mentioned this resource. I've copied information from the home page and will copy a link in my next posting. I love that they are making February 2010 Jewish Disability Awareness Month. Those of you who are Jewish and are active in your Synagogues, make sure your congregations know about that...isn't it wonderful? Marie Jewish Special Education International Consortium About Us Mission Statement Articles Newsletter Archive Jewish Special Education Resources Links to general Special Education Information Links to Jewish Agencies and Programs Offering Special Needs Services Links to Jewish Disability Awareness Month Program Ideas The Jewish Special Education International Consortium is made up of individuals from throughout the United States and Canada. This website is the result of the efforts of these individuals to provide support and services to children and adults with special needs in the Jewish community. Throughout this site you will find resources and materials for your use to help make your community a welcoming place for all. Watch for more information soon on ways to promote awareness in your communities during the second annual Jewish Disability Awareness Month Resource Guides Jewish Special Education Resource Guide Produced by the Partnership for Jewish Life and Learning Open Wide the Gates of the Temple So That All May Worship United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism's Commission on Inclusion of People With Disabilities The following organizations have partnered to promote the month of February as Jewish Disability Awareness Month: Council for the Jewish Disabled Union for Reform Judaism United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism The Jewish Federations of North America Association of Jewish Family and Children's Agencies For more information contact: info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 I found this information when a friend mentioned this resource. I've copied information from the home page and will copy a link in my next posting. I love that they are making February 2010 Jewish Disability Awareness Month. Those of you who are Jewish and are active in your Synagogues, make sure your congregations know about that...isn't it wonderful? Marie Jewish Special Education International Consortium About Us Mission Statement Articles Newsletter Archive Jewish Special Education Resources Links to general Special Education Information Links to Jewish Agencies and Programs Offering Special Needs Services Links to Jewish Disability Awareness Month Program Ideas The Jewish Special Education International Consortium is made up of individuals from throughout the United States and Canada. This website is the result of the efforts of these individuals to provide support and services to children and adults with special needs in the Jewish community. Throughout this site you will find resources and materials for your use to help make your community a welcoming place for all. Watch for more information soon on ways to promote awareness in your communities during the second annual Jewish Disability Awareness Month Resource Guides Jewish Special Education Resource Guide Produced by the Partnership for Jewish Life and Learning Open Wide the Gates of the Temple So That All May Worship United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism's Commission on Inclusion of People With Disabilities The following organizations have partnered to promote the month of February as Jewish Disability Awareness Month: Council for the Jewish Disabled Union for Reform Judaism United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism The Jewish Federations of North America Association of Jewish Family and Children's Agencies For more information contact: info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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