Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 , you're so hip! Using LMK in an email vs. spelling it out. Wanna laugh? I'm reading it quickly, see LMK, and for a moment am thinking 'why is referencing Luther King?' this makes no sense! How old does that make me????????????? Laughing out loud at myself here, Laurie Re: HB174 CONCERNS? Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions generated here. Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Laurie - you make me laugh!!! Re: HB174 CONCERNS? Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions generated here. Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Laurie - you make me laugh!!! Re: HB174 CONCERNS? Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions generated here. Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Pam, the more you tax corporations, the more reason you give them to relocate to states that do not have a corporation income tax. That is why. From: pam_harris@... <pam_harris@...> Subject: HB174 CONCERNS? IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:14 PM  I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the Responsible Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support HB 174. I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill. House Bill 174: Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%. Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%. · If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600 · If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000 · A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES! · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600 · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000 · A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH? This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax? Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll think about supporting HB 174. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Pam, the more you tax corporations, the more reason you give them to relocate to states that do not have a corporation income tax. That is why. From: pam_harris@... <pam_harris@...> Subject: HB174 CONCERNS? IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:14 PM  I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the Responsible Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support HB 174. I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill. House Bill 174: Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%. Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%. · If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600 · If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000 · A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES! · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600 · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000 · A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH? This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax? Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll think about supporting HB 174. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 House Bill 174: Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%. (66%+) Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%. (4%+) Originally, the increase for personal income tax rate was 4.5%. It was raised to 5%. Originally, the increase for corporate income tax was 8%. It was reduced to 5% via an amendment. It’s this disparity that makes me uncomfortable. To me, it feels like the burden of the tax increase is not being fairly shared. As I continue to research HB 174, I found this document to be helpful. http://thecapitolfaxblog.com/Combine_Quinn_and_Hynes.pdf Pam For those with a growing interest in IL politics, please consider following my on Twitter. @pam_harris HB174 CONCERNS? IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:14 PM I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the Responsible Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support HB 174. I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill. House Bill 174: Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%. Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%. · If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600 · If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000 · A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES! · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600 · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000 · A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH? This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax? Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll think about supporting HB 174. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 House Bill 174: Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%. (66%+) Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%. (4%+) Originally, the increase for personal income tax rate was 4.5%. It was raised to 5%. Originally, the increase for corporate income tax was 8%. It was reduced to 5% via an amendment. It’s this disparity that makes me uncomfortable. To me, it feels like the burden of the tax increase is not being fairly shared. As I continue to research HB 174, I found this document to be helpful. http://thecapitolfaxblog.com/Combine_Quinn_and_Hynes.pdf Pam For those with a growing interest in IL politics, please consider following my on Twitter. @pam_harris HB174 CONCERNS? IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:14 PM I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the Responsible Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support HB 174. I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill. House Bill 174: Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%. Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%. · If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600 · If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000 · A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES! · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600 · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000 · A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH? This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax? Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll think about supporting HB 174. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Ellen Thank you for your ongoing leadersip on this list. Forgive me, all, for sharing the post I was sent offline of this list as Ellen is correct. It was my human fraility that caused me to share it. I apologize if the post offended any one. Please strike it from your emails as appropriate. Thanks, Ellen! Humbly grateful to be your companion on the journey... Gordon P. Stiefel Phone: 708 246 5151 Fax: 708 246 9144 " All great change in America begins at the dinner table " , Reagan. " Now more than ever, in a world all too often deprived of light and the courage of noble ideals, it is not the time to be ashamed of the Gospel (cf. Rom 1: 16). Rather, it is time to preach it from the rooftops (cf. Mt 10: 27)! " National Meeting of Young Catholics of Switzerland (2004), Address of II .. From: Richter <ginar_30sbcglobal (DOT) net> Subject: Re: HB174 CONCERNS? IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 10:45 AM Laurie - you make me laugh!!! Re: HB174 CONCERNS? Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions generated here. Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Ellen Thank you for your ongoing leadersip on this list. Forgive me, all, for sharing the post I was sent offline of this list as Ellen is correct. It was my human fraility that caused me to share it. I apologize if the post offended any one. Please strike it from your emails as appropriate. Thanks, Ellen! Humbly grateful to be your companion on the journey... Gordon P. Stiefel Phone: 708 246 5151 Fax: 708 246 9144 " All great change in America begins at the dinner table " , Reagan. " Now more than ever, in a world all too often deprived of light and the courage of noble ideals, it is not the time to be ashamed of the Gospel (cf. Rom 1: 16). Rather, it is time to preach it from the rooftops (cf. Mt 10: 27)! " National Meeting of Young Catholics of Switzerland (2004), Address of II .. From: Richter <ginar_30sbcglobal (DOT) net> Subject: Re: HB174 CONCERNS? IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 10:45 AM Laurie - you make me laugh!!! Re: HB174 CONCERNS? Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions generated here. Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 As some of the folks on our list have asked me off line, what got me to the point of sharing the inappropriate posting this AM for which I do apologize, I thought I should share that info with the list. Yesterday, I had the pleasure of watching on the local news a great interview of Ficker Terrill, CEO, Ray Graham Association about the budget crunch in Illinois. As I watched this awesome interview, I thought to myself is this really the role of RGA or should it not have been the Arc of Illinois leading the way for folks with disabilities as the umbrella advocacy organization for multiple agencies that are either tethered to or rely on the Arc for leadership and information. ly, I am just sick about Gov Quinn using people with disabilities as the poster children for why Illinois has a $12 billion problem. I am equally sick and disappointed by the apparent rheotric of the Arc of Illinois that uses us, again, to urge a tax hike as the way to fill a $12 billion hole. Do we need a tax hike to be in a position to appropriately fund disability services -- I do not know. All I do know is we, as a community, are underfunded. I also know statewide we are all hurting financially in this recession! I also know the Arc has not offered any assistance with the legal battle underway to stop the unions from attempting to organize, again, next year. My message is simple -- we need statewide leadership at all levels that is committed to providing programs for the poorest of the poor and disabled folks and will do it with integrity, honesty, and human dignity, e.g. the Home Based Support Services program works; it saves the State money and keeps families together! Thank you & RGA for all you did yesterday, today and tomorrow to support persons and families of people with disabilities! Thank you, TEAM IPADD! Humbly grateful to be your companion on the journey... Gordon P. Stiefel Phone: 708 246 5151 Fax: 708 246 9144 " All great change in America begins at the dinner table " , Reagan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 As some of the folks on our list have asked me off line, what got me to the point of sharing the inappropriate posting this AM for which I do apologize, I thought I should share that info with the list. Yesterday, I had the pleasure of watching on the local news a great interview of Ficker Terrill, CEO, Ray Graham Association about the budget crunch in Illinois. As I watched this awesome interview, I thought to myself is this really the role of RGA or should it not have been the Arc of Illinois leading the way for folks with disabilities as the umbrella advocacy organization for multiple agencies that are either tethered to or rely on the Arc for leadership and information. ly, I am just sick about Gov Quinn using people with disabilities as the poster children for why Illinois has a $12 billion problem. I am equally sick and disappointed by the apparent rheotric of the Arc of Illinois that uses us, again, to urge a tax hike as the way to fill a $12 billion hole. Do we need a tax hike to be in a position to appropriately fund disability services -- I do not know. All I do know is we, as a community, are underfunded. I also know statewide we are all hurting financially in this recession! I also know the Arc has not offered any assistance with the legal battle underway to stop the unions from attempting to organize, again, next year. My message is simple -- we need statewide leadership at all levels that is committed to providing programs for the poorest of the poor and disabled folks and will do it with integrity, honesty, and human dignity, e.g. the Home Based Support Services program works; it saves the State money and keeps families together! Thank you & RGA for all you did yesterday, today and tomorrow to support persons and families of people with disabilities! Thank you, TEAM IPADD! Humbly grateful to be your companion on the journey... Gordon P. Stiefel Phone: 708 246 5151 Fax: 708 246 9144 " All great change in America begins at the dinner table " , Reagan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I would like to thank Gordon for his apology and to share this quote with all of you. We are just beginning " election season " here in Illinois--I heard on the radio in my car this afternoon the Pols are lining up to get their names on the ballot both in Springfield and up here in Chicagoland. More than ever, I am using this idea as a yardstick for my vote this year. It doesn't matter to me if a candidate is a Republican or a Democrat as long as they consider my son and his peers in their decisions. Love Hump or hate him, you've got to agree with him. " The moral test of a government is how it treats those who are at the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged; and those who are in the shadow of life, the sick, the needy, and the handicapped. " 1976, Hubert Humphrey Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I would like to thank Gordon for his apology and to share this quote with all of you. We are just beginning " election season " here in Illinois--I heard on the radio in my car this afternoon the Pols are lining up to get their names on the ballot both in Springfield and up here in Chicagoland. More than ever, I am using this idea as a yardstick for my vote this year. It doesn't matter to me if a candidate is a Republican or a Democrat as long as they consider my son and his peers in their decisions. Love Hump or hate him, you've got to agree with him. " The moral test of a government is how it treats those who are at the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged; and those who are in the shadow of life, the sick, the needy, and the handicapped. " 1976, Hubert Humphrey Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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